Plot Holes in MW2 Single Player (Obvious Spoiler Warning)

[EhkoXC]

Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

[Cobalty2004]

The game was awesome, but yea there were plot holes and crap that didn't make much sense.

One American terrorist (I know he was an undercover CIA agent) would NEVER call for a war of that scale. All they did is massacre an airport, they didn't suitcase nuke Moscow....

[jkmjelite]

The game wasn't balanced for a easy to understand plot. (Had to do it. Sorry)

[Pillboy]

jkmjelite -1 point.

I played the game the past three days, finished it in four hours. Anyway, the story. Well, I'm gonna try to, well, answer the plot holes.

1. Considering Makarov's men weren't wearing masks, I suppose Makarov didn't need too. I see why you think that, and your most likely right, but I think this.

2. Makarov is clever, whats stopping him from killing a sudden Alexei Borodin joining him.

3. Makarov had Prisoner 627/Price in the gulag, and Soap mentions the guy he hates most is in it. And I think that it may have an advantage over Makarov if Price is out.

4. Well, it may of gave the Americans a disadvantage, but did you see how many Heli's and BTR's/APC's they had? Price wanted the Russians to have no advantages either.

5. I think Sheperd didn't want to use more men. I understand why you think what you think, and carpet bombing it is probably one of the only ways to eliminate Russians with minimal causalties. Btw Sheperd keeps saying that they rebuilt the White House, and they'll do it again. Suppose he ment the others too.

6. I get some of your last point and not for some others. I bet that he did get to a General, like you said. He's probably pissed as someother American general/commander, even if he didn't control the unit, he could always have some influence over the military.

Your probably right for most of the points, while I am not. The part I don't get is where the hell that driver came from when you gotta get to Nikolai's plane.

[Rhllor]

As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

It depends on your interpretation of the story, but I suspect that Makarov was tipped of by Shepard, who wanted to provoke an international incident and start a war that way.


Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.


Apparently Makarov really, really hates the prisoner (who turns out to be Price). The Task Force wanted him to get Makarov out of hiding.


Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.


The US forces were at a distinct disadvantage in Washington. The Russians seemed have a lot more vehicles in the area as well as air superiority. I suspect they targeted the airbases and main routes towards Washington first to prevent the Army from getting much material there.
With the EMP, the Russians advantage in equipment/vehicles and air forces was nullfied, and gave the US forces a much needed breathing space to retreat before the wholesale bombing of the area.


Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

I guess that Washington was the Russians sole bridgehead on the east coast, so if they managed to destroy it, they would have a relatively easy way of pushing them off american soil.
Also, at that point it seems that there will be a lengthy war with Russia, and they didn't want to commit that many soldiers to retake a single city in what would probably be a long, bloody house-to-house battle.


Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

It's probably just a small blunder. But maybe Shepard was given command of the Marines for a short time due to some special circumstance (perhaps good knowledge of asymetrical warfare that stems from his experiences in Afghanistan).

[Geowil]

Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

Alright, Ill give it a shot lol.


First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

This one I will chalk up to speculation; They could have disabled the security stuff before hand or maybe they have insiders in the security staff that took them out.

Also they could have brought everything in duffel bags and put the stuff on inside the elevator.


As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

Again, more speculation; but I think possibly Makarov could have gotten intel on him.


Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

This one I am pretty sure is on the head. It was a throw back to COD 1 or 2 where you have to rescue a Capt. Price from a German villa (presumably our Price's father). And to the second part I have no idea. Maybe they launched from Hawaii?

Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway.
When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

Did you listen to the full debriefing before the Submarine mission? It says it right in there. Basically Price says to Shepard that the Russian invasion is an oil fire and to put it out the need to make a bigger fire to suck away the oxygen so it will die out. He makes indirect mentions to using a nuke.


Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

When your being invaded, little things like the DoI dont really matter. Washington DC is just one city where as if they just let them take it or everyone died trying to save these artifacts the Russians could have pushed further into the country.


Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

Speculation; I would assume that the former thing you mentioned is true. It fits his character. He could have easily reattained the rank of General in another division.

[Stevel024]

Just think of it like 24... lots of action and adrenalin, plenty of plot holes, but still entertaining

[EhkoXC]

Alright, Ill give it a shot lol.

This one I will chalk up to speculation; They could have disabled the security stuff before hand or maybe they have insiders in the security staff that took them out.

Also they could have brought everything in duffel bags and put the stuff on inside the elevator.
I guess I should have been a little more clear. I know from the trailers that they got ready in the elevator, I mean after the fact. Makerov was just walking around the Moscow airport mowing people down with an M60 and was a well known terrorist, but no one looked at the security tapes after the attack and saw that it was him leading it? The insiders in the security staff, or disabling it first makes sense, it's just never mentioned, which is why I chalk it up as a plot hole.



Again, more speculation; but I think possibly Makarov could have gotten intel on him.
Well, I figure that it was Sheppard who outed the CIA agent to Makerov, what I don't get is how the Russian government investigating figured it out so quickly. The only reason I can think of is Makerov tipped them off, but if they were able to out a undercover CIA agent so easily and use it as a basis for invading the US then I don't think the CIA did a very good job.



This one I am pretty sure is on the head. It was a throw back to COD 1 or 2 where you have to rescue a Capt. Price from a German villa (presumably our Price's father). And to the second part I have no idea. Maybe they launched from Hawaii?
Yea, I do remember rescuing Price in CoD 1 in the Villa. I did forget about the fact that they were trying to bring Makerov out of hiding, I stand corrected on that. I suppose the F-15s could have also taken off from Japan or Hawaii, it just seemed out of place to me.


Did you listen to the full debriefing before the Submarine mission? It says it right in there. Basically Price says to Shepard that the Russian invasion is an oil fire and to put it out the need to make a bigger fire to suck away the oxygen so it will die out. He makes indirect mentions to using a nuke.
Yea, I did listen to the whole debrief, but I thought Sheppard shot down the idea of setting off a nuke like that. The rest of the team didn't seem to know what was going on when the nuke launched. Soap seemed especially upset, and I'm sure the guy outside the ISS wasn't too happy either. :p


When your being invaded, little things like the DoI dont really matter. Washington DC is just one city where as if they just let them take it or everyone died trying to save these artifacts the Russians could have pushed further into the country.
I see where you're coming from, and I can understand DC being the last Russian stronghold on the east coast, it just seemed like they gave up really fast. I mean if I remember right, you retake the White House on something like Day 5 or 6 of the game and the Russians invaded on like Day 2 or 3, meaning the war in DC has only been going on for a few days. To me it just seems like it was a pretty quick admission of defeat with DC.


Speculation; I would assume that the former thing you mentioned is true. It fits his character. He could have easily reattained the rank of General in another division.
I suppose, a rise to General that fast just doesn't seem to fit the timeline, I suppose it is possible that he was involved somehow too. It could have also been a joint assault, but the Army was never shown, so I just thought the quote was strange. Then again I did just replay the campaign for CoD 4 not too long ago, so the story is still fresh in my mind.

[JacktheSmack]

I thought for the longest time how attacking America in a full faced assault for revenge was the most stupid idea ever, killing thousands of Americans who had no responsibility for every Russian civilian lost in the terrorist attack.

Then I remembered 9/11 and how we've killed 100s of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans that weren't responsible at all. This game is chilling to think about.

[HellHammer27]

Hey all - just wanted to clarify a few things in the plot. First off there are several areas in the plot of the SP campaign that are implied i surmise simply because of length and the excellent attention to military detail.

The Airport part with Makerov - I think its implied that an terrorist of his caliber either neutralized the security cams/Soviet "TSA" or had insiders that facilitated him being able to "walk around with an M60". I think the latter is more feasible.

The fact he knew about Allen being a CIA operative - Its implied that Sheppard somehow tipped him or his organization off though I think it was done far subtlety than a mere phone call to Makerov. Either way Sheppard orchestrated it further his plot while using an impressionable Private from Ranger Regiment. He planned on a kinetic response from the Soviets of course after finding a CIA operative involved in the worse civilian massacre but I don't think he forsaw the level to which they went (invading the US). Having said that I dont think he was hesitant what so ever in helping the 141 and more specifically Price launching the nuke.

Sheppard and the Marines debate - It is implied that Sheppard was the commander of a Joint Task Force of sorts, hence him commanding Marines though he is an Army General. Its far more likely than the idea of him switching services. Its very common for General officers to command Joint (Meaning other services) and even Combined (Other Nations) Task Forces (TF). Look at Petreaus or Odiarno in Iraq; they command multiple services in theater.

But therein lies some detail errors. First off Sheppard unit patch he wears on his left shoulder is that of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center (JFKSWC or simply SWC; pronounced swick) out of Fort Bragg, NC. Its a school house, not an operational unit. Its a unit devoted to training and not operations so its not accurate at all that he wears that patch given the fact he's a 4 star general (In a 2 star general job), in the field, overseeing real world operations.

He's also wearing a black beret. For one, no one wears black berets (or any color for that matter) in the US military on operations. Second, if he was in fact part of JFKSWC he should be wearing at least a Maroon beret (airborne) or more accurately as I think its implied - a green beret seeing as he is commanding a unit within US Army Special Operations Command.

The 141 is referred to as "TASK FORCE" 141. Task Force in of it self refers to a operational unit/s under one command within ONE branch of service in ONE nation. The fact that they work with Sheppard (US Army General) by default would make their designation COMBINED (UK and USA) JOINT (Multiple branches) TASK FORCE 141 (CJTF141) as oppose to TF 141.

F-15s flying close air support - Its entirely feasible that they launched from Hawaii and simply conducted multiple mid air refuels using KC-135 Stratotankers so whoever pointed that out cheers in saying so. I do think however from experience that there are more suitable close air support platforms to use than F15s in that mission. (A10s, Super Hornets, or Harriers for example). Again - the fact that Airforce aircraft are used along with army helo's and British operators - COMBINED JOINT TASK FORCE 141.

I'de like some thoughts. Thanks for your time.

[Doldol]

About the airport: In the opening it is mentioned that "New Russia" hates America; so my guess is in having a reason (American CIA operative; alongside with Makarov, Russians could say America finances him) just so nothing like the UN or NATO would jump in to help America.

About TF141: it includes more then only ppl from the USA or UK, there is also at least 1 Canadian, and I think an Australian too. And maybe Soap (and ppl like him) just became part of the US military for TF141, as there is nothing like an UK commander or evidence that any other country has any say in what TF141 does, Sheppard also mentioned several times "My Task Force".

I don't get why if they are commanded by Sheppard it would make it combined by default?

So I think Sheppard is just a special men, with special rankings and privileges (He gets the blank check, he is commander of TF141, he is allowed his own company (shadow company, only loyal to him))

The one thing I don't get is why Sheppard would try to kill TF141, ok he's clearing up loose ends, but still I don't get what TF141 knew that they shouldn't, I mean they didn't know that Sheppard basically started all this, and Sheppard should have know that trying to kill TF141 would be a pain in the ♥♥♥, and would have only done it when it was really necessary.

+ MW3 is really needed to complete the story....

[Fahrenheit 451]

Just think of it like 24... lots of action and adrenalin, plenty of plot holes, but still entertaining

I don't think 24 had plot holes, it jut was not realistic.

I did not play MW2 for the plot, I played it for the gameplay. You certainly are not going to get any better as far as gameplay.

[Monoochrom]

To comprehend the Plot behind MW 2 you have to have played MW 1.

What you must understand is that Makarov is seen as a International Terrorist, a Man payed to do what he does. Shepards implies this when saying that Makarov trades Blood for Money.

Also, the Ultranationalists, the main Enemy in the first MW have become the Political Leaders in Russia in the 5 Years Aftermath of the first Game. They are split amoungst themselves, Soldiers that are simply part of the Russian Military and followers of Makarov who was basically part of te Ultranationalists, but not the actual person behind the Invasion as he is not the defacto Boss.

Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

Makarov was able to organize a Escape Vehicle, so I'm sure he was also able to gain Access in the first Place, security was not turned off, but Makarov isn't considered to be fighting for any single Country, he is portrayed more as a Mercenary. Joseph Allen as a Undercover Agent for the USA implies that Makarov was hired by them. Shepard also tipped Makarov off. Likely under the false Impression of being on the Russian side.

As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

I'm sure that the Russian Military has means of finding something like this out, it could also be possible the Makarov left something behind pointing in that direction.

Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

Yes, it is made clear. The Mission is not concerned with Captain Price, it is concerned with rescueing a certain Prisoner is, who this Person is, is unknown. This is because interogation of Rojas showed that Makarov has a deep Hatred for the Prisoner, it is likely assumed that he has Information or some kind of political meaning. However, chances are the hatred comes from him being (in part) responseable for the Death of Imran Zakhaev, someone who was likely somewhat of a Mentor to Makarov.


Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

The Reason is quite obvious if you pay attention. First of all, the Nuke was going to be fired, thats why the Base had to be taken. Price simply changed the coordinates. He does this because the Russian Invasion is only on the East Coast, therefore, he would be taking out all of their Electronics, the Americans would lose their Electronics aswell, however, they don't need to go to Russia to resupply, so what he basically did was cripple the Russian attackers completly giving the Americans a chance to organize. The Buildings have likely been taken back the same way they were taken back in the final Mission of the American Campaign, it is at no point implyied that the Americans had the upper Hand before the EMP, actually it is the opposite. Logically, the Russians lose strength when losing their Electronics, they only have a limited amount of Troops, it can safely be assumed that more Americans were present, but the Power of their Infantry was crippeled by the russian Machines. Taking them out, gave the Americans with sheer Numbers and Hometurf a edge.

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

The Plan is to do this to take out the Russian Attackers at once as to hinder them on attacking further Citys, basically chocking the Flame. The Buildings you mentioned were already heavily damaged and have also been damaged in the past, they will simply be rebuilt. The Declaration is well protected, chances are it wouldn't take damage.

Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

I don't know much about this, so I won't say anything. But that is simply nitpicking.

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

[Kaltzor]

Theres also one thing thats sort of a plot hole, When he betrays the 141, He goes over to personally finish Roach and Ghost, who are ranked a Sargeant and Liutenant, leaving Soap and Price alone who were both ranked Captains. The two captains obviously pose more of a threat to him so why didn't he go to them personally?

[Easton Dark]

Theres also one thing thats sort of a plot hole, When he betrays the 141, He goes over to personally finish Roach and Ghost, who are ranked a Sargeant and Liutenant, leaving Soap and Price alone who were both ranked Captains. The two captains obviously pose more of a threat to him so why didn't he go to them personally?

He came to collect the data from Makarov's safehouse, not specifically to eliminate them. That was just a bonus.

[alstokes]

Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

Makarov is a well kown terrorist yes.. and the dev's probably didnt even consider this aspect of an airport.. but if we put that card into play, he wouldnt disable to cameras anyway, makarov wants to make everyone scared of him, he wants ppl to see it so they panic and create chaos, and ofc to show the military what he will do to win the war

As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

this is a fair point, aswell as.. how the hell have they got makarov to accept a randomer into their 'gang' - my guess is makarov knew the second he was asked if someone could join him in the airport, he knew full well he was a spy but obviously used him for the help, then killed him afterwards

Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

WHY he gets rescued is clear.. americans and most other military forces of any type have a code where they will not leave anyone behind, wether they are dead or alive, so the rescue bit is abvious, whereas to how he got there..?

Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

this is easy, Price knew full well the americans where gettin the ♥♥♥♥ kicked out of em down in DC, i guess he knew that the EMP would give the americans a chance to fight back seeing as tho the EMP took down all of the russian air support, all their tanks, and yeh.. their electronics

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

it would be cheaper to carpet bomb the place than send a strong counter attack that would cost more in training troops than to by a stealth bomber, ther would be less, if non american losses in a carpet bomb, tho if they sent in a counter strike u would be looking at quite a few KIA's - the government is moe botherd abouts its troops than money

Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

fair point i guess, he could have moved regiments? - or just simply speaking from a generals point of view about the past

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

thers my views ;)

[bejayel]

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

You didn't seem to have a problem rebuilding the white house last time we (Canadians) burnt it down.

[Xelbair]

You forgot the wind in space from nuke. Physically impossible.

[Zefar]

Or being able to detonate the nuke in space like that at the right moment. You'd have to re config the nuke itself and not to mention it takes two people to launch a nuke.

Love those plot holes in the game. :D

[Kaltzor]

You forgot the wind in space from nuke. Physically impossible.

Physhical impossibility doesn't equal plot hole.

[Tikbalang]

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

Just step back a moment and think about who the target audience are.

[matt2725]

You forgot the wind in space from nuke. Physically impossible.

When the guys in space get pulverized?
I'm pretty sure that's down to the shockwave from the blast, which would have easily destroyed the space station, if the nuke was large enough.

[Swe]

The one thing I don't get is why Sheppard would try to kill TF141, ok he's clearing up loose ends, but still I don't get what TF141 knew that they shouldn't, I mean they didn't know that Sheppard basically started all this, and Sheppard should have know that trying to kill TF141 would be a pain in the ♥♥♥, and would have only done it when it was really necessary.
I think that the intel Roach gathered was containing information about Shepherds involving in Makarovs organization
(sry for my bad english)

[Easton Dark]

I think that the intel Roach gathered was containing information about Shepherds involving in Makarovs organization
(sry for my bad english)

You have perfect english actually.

[p4r4n01d]

Im one of those guys who played it and didnt know wtf was going on. Guess its cause I didnt need to and it was bad storytelling.

[Geowil]

You have perfect english actually.

actually it wasn't perfect English but, compared to some of the other people on this board, it was pretty good.


Anyway, first thing to address is the nuke. The scenario that is displayed is entirely possible. You see it as wind because that's what it looks like, an invisible force. In reality it is a pressure shock wave among the radiation particles from the uranium being deflected by the Earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere.

It is similar to a super nova, how would you explain the force it generates when they occur? All you need for a pressure wave is a group of particles to inflict the physics upon; be it oxygen (basically that is what wind is comprised of) or some other kind of matter. Google Solar Winds.

Second, I think Shepard mentioned in there some where that he moved up through the ranks to General in the past five years, likely during one of the scenes in between missions, so it is entirely plausible that he was in command of those troops during the first game.

The airport business, sure the whole thing with security was slightly fishy but I have two theories:

1. Makarov had some insiders that erased the tapes or disabled the cameras.

2. They disabled the security on their way to the service elevator.

At the end people seem to forgot that they never said it was a CIA agent that was found, they said it was an American. Shepard just knew he was CIA because he assigned Allen to that job.

Back to the nuke again, I agree with Monoochrom's response. He did that to cripple the Russian armor and air force to give the US troops a chance. Also as for how Price could launch the nuke, use your brains people.

The ranking officers were probably on board at the time or at least the one with the lock box key was, Price need only to kill them, get the keys out of the storage box and use them at the same time, I mean he does have two hands right?

[Swe]

I am not certain i have the correct answers here... But from what i understood this is how it was
Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

"He probably disabled security before he went slagutering"

As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

"As i said before, I think that Shepherd was coorporating with Makarovs organization. Shepherd might have given intel to Makarov"

Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

"In the beginning of "Into the hornets nest", Ghost and MacTavish
are discussing that the only man Makarov hates more then Americans is locked up in a gulag. In "The Gulag" you are to rescue this man, prisoner six-two-seven, who turns out to be Price"

Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

"The Russians had a HUGE advantage with BMP´s and air support. When the nuke exploded, Prize evened the odds"

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

"A counter-attack would result in HEAVY casualties. And to extract the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence would result in a lot of KIA:s"

Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

"Joint ops...?"

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

Again, i am not the best in English and don´t even know the basics of US Warfare

[arlinnblast]

for the nuke thing, isn't the nuke launch from russia's submarine? it gives the implication that the russian set of the nuke, "adding fuel to the fire" as price implied so the american could use any weapon neccesary to fight back the russian and any resources (sheperd got the blank check after this incident)

[Fahrenheit 451]

for the nuke thing, isn't the nuke launch from russia's submarine? it gives the implication that the russian set of the nuke, "adding fuel to the fire" as price implied so the american could use any weapon neccesary to fight back the russian and any resources (sheperd got the blank check after this incident)

That thought never occurred to me.

+rep for the great theory.

[arlinnblast]

That thought never occurred to me.

+rep for the great theory.
thx :)

and i just finished that mission again, i'm confused somehow:
in the briefing before we take the submarine we could see that the submarine loaded with 8 16 Kiloton ICBM (which is obviously a nuke) and in the briefing next mission the SecDef said that "we'll lose the White House" and 30,000-50,000 thousands casualities but in the mission we only see EMP shockwave,not an explosion and there's no "boom" and "whushhhh" like in MW1 just ordinary EMP shockwave, how come? if that is the missile from the submarine it should destroyed the white house (which is our destination in the next mission after the whiskey hotel)

PS:EMP could be achieved if the nuke exploded, no need for separate missiles

[Swe]

thx :)

and i just finished that mission again, i'm confused somehow:
in the briefing before we take the submarine we could see that the submarine loaded with 8 16 Kiloton ICBM (which is obviously a nuke) and in the briefing next mission the SecDef said that "we'll lose the White House" and 30,000-50,000 thousands casualities but in the mission we only see EMP shockwave,not an explosion and there's no "boom" and "whushhhh" like in MW1 just ordinary EMP shockwave, how come? if that is the missile from the submarine it should destroyed the white house (which is our destination in the next mission after the whiskey hotel)

PS:EMP could be achieved if the nuke exploded, no need for separate missiles

The nuke exploded in the atmosphere, causing a EMP at the surface. Shepherd might have believed that Prize would detonate the nuke in DC

[arlinnblast]

The nuke exploded in the atmosphere, causing a EMP at the surface. Shepherd might have believed that Prize would detonate the nuke in DC

oww now i understand it should be sooo high in the atmosphere that the detonation only deliver EMP without any direct damage in the surface. But afterall your theory is the best explanation for me so far

[mortalhuman]

The game was awesome, but yea there were plot holes and crap that didn't make much sense.

One American terrorist (I know he was an undercover CIA agent) would NEVER call for a war of that scale. All they did is massacre an airport, they didn't suitcase nuke Moscow....

I know yer banned and all, but I just wanna say in case you're lurking:

A proven false-flag terror attack by america? Yes, it would be that big of a war.

[Delta1441]

you seriously didnt understand the story line? see this is why they make movies like transformers and ironman. just for simpletons like EhkoXC.

[hamsterkicker]

Plot.. Plot.. I always use my ESCAPE key to skip those utterly boring intros.

[Maniac86]

First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

They came off the elevator BEFORE the security checkpoint... Think of your local airport, you could bring anything you want up to that area


As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

Makarov knew ahead of time (though it does raise the question HOW, but then again we dont see Allen meeting him and joining the organization etc) and the entire attack was setup to use Allen, it is likely Makarov would normally have dismissed/killed any potential agents approaching his organization but let Allen in as the patsy.

Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him? If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

I believe it was mentioned that Makarov hates whoever that particular prisoner is, and therefore TF141 is seeking to detain/rescue (probably the first being that Prices identity wasn't known at the time)to exploit him for intelligence/bargaining chip

Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

The point of the EMP was to disable the immediate Russian advantage of armor and air support, but a lot of you are not thinking bigger... Price didn't just disable equipment on the east coast when that nuke went off, he just made it look like the Russians retaliated on a possible US terror attack with a NUCLEAR WEAPON ON THE US CAPITAL! This was likely to sway international opinion against the Russians who at the point still had some sympathy from the Airport attack and were simply acting unilaterally to defend their interests. (think long term guys)

Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

Yeah, I didn't get that either, it was just to get that second cool 'The Rock' (the film not the crappy wrestler/actor) reference in with the flares, the first of course being the shower room from the Gulag This one totally got me too, anyone notice the radios magically started working at the end of the level for cinematic effect (and no, US Army radios are not EMP shielded, too dam expensive for a minimal threat, not to mention EMP fries the circuit boards, they wouldnt 'recover'

Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

Thee MW1 Marine campaign was only dedicated to the battle for one particular city, im sure there was a larger campaign throughout the unnamed country (which btw seemed to change on the satellite pictures from Yemen, To the kingdom of Saudi Arabia to Iraq), and generally,as the largest manpower service, the Army takes the lead on joint combat operations, all commanding generals of Iraq and Afghanistan have been US Army, No Marine or Airforce and No navy admirals, now for example, the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff (technically the most senior officer in uniform) can be from any service) the current CENTCOM (Middle-East) commander is a Marine, so technically superior in POSITION to Gen. Odierno, though below him by one rank (weird how the military is isnt it?) Also the marines generally dont have many 4 stars from what i know, I think the only 4 stars are the Commandant and Assistant Commandant... which are non-combat commands, so in a multi-service larger then Corps level (a corps is more then 1 division in size... note, that is different then the marine corps, which is a service name) engagement (such as iraq) an army 4 star is in command

Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.

Alright, that's my 2 cents (I'm an Army guy, so if any questions let me know)

[bigfoot_ash]

oww now i understand it should be sooo high in the atmosphere that the detonation only deliver EMP without any direct damage in the surface. But afterall your theory is the best explanation for me so far

This is perfectly possible, as a matter of fact, the correct distance above the ground could cause an EMP to effect a majority of America(USA).

[kast1j]

Having gone through this thread I am amazed by the number of people who either didn't pay attention, or didn't understand, when Price was talking about the Nuke to Shephard.

The point of the nuke is this;

The Russians had the sympathy of the world for their invasion of America because the Americans looked responsible for the massacre at the airport, in order to get global support back on America's side Price launched the Nuke against America. The world saw a Russian nuke launched from a Russian base detonating over Washington, causing massive deaths and destruction.

Launching the nuke would be seen by the rest of the world as a step too far in retaliating for the airport massacre, chances are the rest of the world would condemn Russia and countries like the UK would immediately step in to help America kick their ♥♥♥.

Aside from that General Shephard and his whole plan was totally f*cked up, Modern Warfare 1 was much better, now all I need is valve to put it on sale so I can buy it on steam.

[pwnorz]

I didn´t read the whole thread, so I don´t know if someone posted this but still:
One thing I don´t understand: OK, so Russians think USA is responsible for massacre just because some American holding gun (who was CIA but I don´t know how they did know that but that doesn´t bother me) is dead at the airport. Then Sheppard tries to find Rojas by the shell captured by security cameras. Really? So they had super-duper HD cameras able to see detail of small shell but they didn´t see Makarov? WTF?

[Swe]

I didn´t read the whole thread, so I don´t know if someone posted this but still:
One thing I don´t understand: OK, so Russians think USA is responsible for massacre just because some American holding gun (who was CIA but I don´t know how they did know that but that doesn´t bother me) is dead at the airport. Then Sheppard tries to find Rojas by the shell captured by security cameras. Really? So they had super-duper HD cameras able to see detail of small shell but they didn´t see Makarov? WTF?

we´ve already been spectaculating about Makarov disabled the security before he begun his massacre.
about the shell i´ve no idea

[BladeSaint]

Yeah, Shepard really should've put someone more competent in charge of offing Soap and Price, because as dangerous as they are alive in the boneyard, they're only gonna be that much more dangerous when they disappear, because you know they just won't go away. Other than that, all I noticed was the WTF moment I had when the White House still had power..... And about the shell, the TF141 found Rojas, and they didn't need to see Makarov, everyone knew he did it anyway. The blame only fell on the Americans because the presence of the dead Allen implied that Makarov was being funded by the CIA.

[ColtCrime]

How did you find this post?It was started in 2009...

[Balagan]

Ok, so I finished the single player campaign and when things weren't going "Boom" there were a lot of plot holes in the story that really bugged me.

do you seek the reality of the plots in hollywood movies too? Like "Diehard" or "Independence day"


First couple of plot holes is the airport scene. Makerov is a well known international terrorist (essentially the Osama Bin Laden of the day), yet for the airport attack, he doesn't wear a mask. Don't Russian airports have security cameras? I mean honestly, this man is one of the most wanted people on the face of the earth yet no one bothered to look at the security tapes to see him walking around the airport with an M60?

It's "MakArov"
Can you just pretend you are a security officer looking at the camera where 6 men armed with M60 in the elevator? What would you do? Go take them out using your mighty pistol, which also named Makarov? :) yeah... go play a ♥♥♥♥ing hero IRL, man :)



As well, how is it that the CIA deep cover agent is so easily identified as a CIA agent after the fact? Is he just casually carrying around his CIA ID card, just in case? If he was outed as a CIA operative so easily then the CIA isn't doing a very good job of putting their guys undercover.

okay, just to be clear. We're talking about someone as severely undercover as Osama (Makarov). CIA hadn't caught Osama, had they? :) Have you asked yourself why? That's why our agent ♥♥♥♥ed up with Makarov - holes in his plot and Makarov got them.
Oh, and by the way. As a native Russian speaker I can say one thing - americans never. I say NEVER will be able to talk Russian good enough to cheat native russian! NEVER! Just forget it! Even if you'll learn Russian all your life, live in Russia like 20 years you'll still won't be able to speak identically to a native russian person. EVER!


Next is the rescue of Captain Price at the prison. Is it ever made clear why you rescue him?
Because he got there? By some accident while performing some mission we never knew about?
If it was, I missed it, and I will admit that, but it seems like a rather flimsy way to reintroduce him to the story. And if the counter-attack to the Russian invasion is a small focused attack on a Russian prison, then I think someone higher up in the military dropped the ball. As well, why are there F-15s attacking if this is a Naval operation? They can't take off from carriers.

umm... Probably because the IW developers didn't know F15 can't do that :)


Next in line is Captain Price launching the nuke to create the Electromagnetic Pulse above DC. Is it ever explained why he did that? It crippled the American forces as much as the Russians and didn't really seem to have much effect on the ground war taking place there anyway. When you finally retake the White House you see that most of the major buildings of the city have already been retaken and the US troops have turned the tide.

hmm... I was actually thinking that Price tried to stop the launch and failed, not to launch it himself.


Which brings me to my next plot point. The Russians have a firm grip on DC, yet the military's plan isn't to launch a strong counter-attack to retake the city, instead they're going to just carpet bomb the crap out of it? How does that make any sense? In doing so they would destroy things such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, not to mention the White House and Capitol building.

umm.... dude, you obviously don't get it... I mean your whole country is under attack. Do you really think military people would give a ♥♥♥♥ about some piece of paper and old buildings if they can deal a heavy damage to the enemy? Seriously?


Alright, last plot point, and that's General Sheppard's motivation. He says that he lost 30,000 men 5 years ago when Al Asad detonated the nuke wiping out the invading troops in his capital city. However, to those of you who don't remember, that was a Marine assault on the city, and Sheppard is an Army General. So, while I can understand him being mad about it, him saying they were his troops isn't true, unless of course he changed service branches and managed to work his way to General in 5 years time.

hmmm... well, as matter of fact that US had financing those terrorists for the 30 or 40 years, maybe Sheppard were speaking about those soldiers of the opposite side? I mean probably he trained them :) So he was feeling guilty for all those guys were nuked :)


Alright, I know I'm criticizing the story a lot, and I'm not saying it was a bad story, it's not bad and gets the job done. However, it felt like this game was more about the big cinematic scenes then actually telling a good story. To me it was a Michael Bay movie realized as a video game, lots of things go "Boom," but not much story gets told.
good job, Sherlock :)

[Balagan]

Or being able to detonate the nuke in space like that at the right moment. You'd have to re config the nuke itself and not to mention it takes two people to launch a nuke.

Love those plot holes in the game. :D

here we have an INTEL person who knows how all things work on RUSSIAN ATOM SUBMARINE! :D

[sanosziller]

plot holes are needed- so that individues like you can see diferences btw reality and game ;)
you are thinking too much. just enjoy the plot and dont think about it.

[Zefar]

It's "MakArov"
Can you just pretend you are a security officer looking at the camera where 6 men armed with M60 in the elevator? What would you do? Go take them out using your mighty pistol, which also named Makarov? :) yeah... go play a ♥♥♥♥ing hero IRL, man :)

Stop the elevator or start blindly firing into the elevator when they arrive. The enemies will not be able to recover from that.

Or at least warn the guards and maybe have them be a bit ready.


okay, just to be clear. We're talking about someone as severely undercover as Osama (Makarov). CIA hadn't caught Osama, had they? :) Have you asked yourself why? That's why our agent ♥♥♥♥ed up with Makarov - holes in his plot and Makarov got them.
Oh, and by the way. As a native Russian speaker I can say one thing - americans never. I say NEVER will be able to talk Russian good enough to cheat native russian! NEVER! Just forget it! Even if you'll learn Russian all your life, live in Russia like 20 years you'll still won't be able to speak identically to a native russian person. EVER!

But the question still arise on.
1: Why is he linked to CIA?
2: HOW was he linked to CIA?
3: Why does Russia who are so good at spotting where he comes from but fails to find out that the guy was found out by the other two? He was after all shot point blank.
4: Why does Russia decide to take out the revenge on the entire USA country?


Because he got there? By some accident while performing some mission we never knew about?
But both of them was rescued by the same team. What I understood was that they put him there to not talk to others. Why not just kill him, burn him and scatter his bones in the icy oceans near Russia? No one would know where he is. He would be MIA.



hmm... I was actually thinking that Price tried to stop the launch and failed, not to launch it himself.
I'm quite he used the nuke himself. But there is also this where you might need a code from the President + being two people at once to turn a key to launch the nuke.

umm.... dude, you obviously don't get it... I mean your whole country is under attack. Do you really think military people would give a ♥♥♥♥ about some piece of paper and old buildings if they can deal a heavy damage to the enemy? Seriously?
USA have the most powerful Army in the world. Tanks, choppers, jets are within that country and could launch on that day and deal with plenty of air units.
They could have launched an attack right there as I don't think they brought every single guy to the other country.

hmmm... well, as matter of fact that US had financing those terrorists for the 30 or 40 years, maybe Sheppard were speaking about those soldiers of the opposite side? I mean probably he trained them :) So he was feeling guilty for all those guys were nuked :)

Actually I don't remember them financing the terrorist but rather tried to do everything to crack them down. In fact the only reason the nuke went off was because they where too late. By then they already tried to escape at the same time.
They failed and this is somehow USA fault?

All of them was told to do a last minute evacuation because they just found out about the nuke being quite dangerous.

What is more confusing is that Sheppard has something against USA where he needs Russia to attack them to make them pay for something that....Oh screw it, it doesn't make sense. It just doesn't.

Having Russia attack USA wouldn't have solved anything in the game. In fact he would only harm the people who had nothing to do with it. He would damage the country and even ruin millions of lives.
As he'd be effectively putting all the civilians in danger in those cities. So what if 30 000 dies of a nuke? He's gonna revenge that with millions of innocent people who had nothing to do with it?
He's gonna give billions of dollar worth of damage to the government.


Did the guy also just forget that about 5 years ago that the guys he's trying to kill just saved the entire west coast? Why is he such an ungrateful bastard that he has to try to get them marked as traitors when they where in fact world saviors.

Also why would the rest of the army care about it? They would probably know about the two special soldiers who just saved the entire west coast of USA. They probably got several awards from the President himself.

Most other army leaders probably wouldn't change their opinion but rather go against Sheppard because he doesn't make much sense.


I could live with the story but it's in no way good or ok for a game. Halos space invasion is done better, Half-Life 2 story is done better and they talk quite much less there.

But man this is an old thread. :o Still if the discussion is on a good level it's ok.

[Balagan]

Stop the elevator or start blindly firing into the elevator when they arrive. The enemies will not be able to recover from that.

won't work, mate. It was a russian elevator - it has metal doors so the standard pistol bullet wont penetrate it. They could just stop the elevator tho, but that wouldn't hold for long 6 strong men to find an exit.

Or at least warn the guards and maybe have them be a bit ready.

I suppose the guards, who actually watched the security monitors just went all bananas when they saw 6 people armed with LMG so they just decided to call for backup and do not play heroes.


But the question still arise on.
1: Why is he linked to CIA?
2: HOW was he linked to CIA?

Well, we played a mission for him and if just depend on my game style that guy has freaking devastated the whole city of enemies all by himself while everyone else could only like run behind him screaming "Not so fast, bro! Wait for us!" :D
So I guess CIA just noticed that trigger happy freak and decided to take him in :)

3: Why does Russia who are so good at spotting where he comes from but fails to find out that the guy was found out by the other two? He was after all shot point blank.

well, I think Makarov ansered that - he says in the very end of the mission "This is the message" and shots him - this way we can understand he gives the message to CIA like "don't ♥♥♥♥ with me".

4: Why does Russia decide to take out the revenge on the entire USA country?

yup, this one is obviously dumb :) But as I said before - it's like trying to find some sense in a Hollywood movie :)


But both of them was rescued by the same team. What I understood was that they put him there to not talk to others. Why not just kill him, burn him and scatter his bones in the icy oceans near Russia? No one would know where he is. He would be MIA.

Are you ♥♥♥♥ing kidding me??? Everyone knows Lieutenant Price wouldn't burn or drown! He's ♥♥♥♥ing unbreakable! Pfff!


Why is he such an ungrateful bastard that he has to try to get them marked as traitors when they where in fact world saviors.

Because he's american?

[PoIson895]

The game wasn't balanced for a easy to understand plot. (Had to do it. Sorry)

I lol'd. Haven't heard that in a few months honestly.

[Kiarash]

1) Don't want to over excess it but we can see terrorist by pass securities and enter the planes with their bombs. So just entering the main door shouldn't be a big deal for them.

2) Who said they found out he was working for CIA? He looked American and it was Task Force 141. But if you remember Makerov and Shepard were working together. Shepperd wanted to start a war and end it so be shown as a hero. They could have thrown an intel on him on purpose.

3) Price knew informations about Makerov's whereabouts.


4) Price sends the nuke to Washington and detonates it in the upper atmosphere so only the EMP affects the city - not a ground nuke blast that would kill everyone...that way, the American soldiers are spared from the Russian air support, hence the helicopters crashing to the ground due to the EMP. He wanted to end the war in America.

5) Did you even see the level? It showed DC in ruin. I don't see how carpet bombing could have made it any worse.

6) He was cheating through out the entire story. Killing people, and starting wars to hide informations and show himself as a hero. He could have done something to make himself a General.

[Balagan]

MakArov for Christ sake! MakAAAAAArov! :o

[RE3-Frankie]

I played it through and didn't find any of those plot holes except that No AMerican General would have risen through the rannks to end the earth.

[Teraku]

Captain Price didn't launch an EMP. Someone else did that, how stupid do you think Price is? He's been fighting wars for over 20-30 years now, no way in hell that he nuked DC.

[VintagePL]

Makarov for Christ sake! Makaaaaaarov! :o

Fixed it for ya.
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By the way, the "Loose Ends" mission makes no sense. Or at least the part about copying files. Why they didn't just put the hard disk out?