Even the Community Mods are calling out 402 (Official Forums)

[CircularLogic]

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=214300&start=140#p3343578

Pretty funny stuff... not only have they abandoned the consumers but they've also left their community moderators high and dry.

Nothing goes unnoticed. Even if we can't reply to everything, I and many of the team at Infinity Ward, do read everything. Including these forums.

However, Twitter has proven itself to be one of the most effective ways to get information quickly from users, find out a problems instantly, and spread information the fastest to not only our community as a whole (even if I post on Twitter, it spreads here quickly) but to news outlets so they can let even more players know (who don't check official forums).

This thread is a great example of why Twitter is an effective medium. 90% of the posts in this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Meaning someone who wanted to converse or talk about this issue, would have to filter through all the off topic posts. On Twitter, you get just the information you want, straight from the source, without the need to filter anything.

So, while you may not be a fan of Twitter. It has proved essential in helping us stay on top of important issues and communicate out to our audience. Information posted on Twitter spreads faster and to more users than forum posts ever have. It's a great communication medium. In addition, it's the fastest way to get updates out even when traveling or out of the studio thanks to it's mobile applications.


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Twitter being an effective means to communicate is not in question here though as we all know and understand that it is. But how does that justify essentially completely ignoring Infinity Ward's very own forums completely, both in any type of support for it or in just acknowledging issues, problems, concerns on the official website for IW and MW2?

It seems people are told to come this website and by virtue these forums as well as assuming that this is the site to come to for very obvious reasons (and more than reasonable for them to do so), and thus come here for support instead of following the instructions on the back of the instruction booklet. And when they do come here and find no area for information, updates, etc such as a simple intel feed, page, or other and then decide to come to these forums to try to find an answer, or to simply ask their question they are immediately exposed to disgusting images, users, replies, posts, threads, etc, not to mention a forum that is lacking the most basic of things like working BBC code or even just being able to log in. I mean, how could a company let their OWN forums become so horrible? Especially with the resources available to them, not to mention the people willing and able to do the work for FREE sitting in place asking for that support...for the lest several months?! I honestly don't know how you or IW are not embarrassed in regards to these forums.

We aren't asking for much at all, only for you, or whatever web team, to do what we reasonably assume is a part of their jobs in regards to the support for these forums. In terms of information and such, it's still not much at all. Simply that you acknowledge problems, issues, concerns like you did here on a regular basis. Members responded very positively to see some activity from yourself because that's all we asked for and continue to do so in terms of acknowledgment. We don't want time commitments for extended conversations and such. We want a simple acknowledgment as you did here as well as in another thread. It does not require much more time than it takes you to post on twitter, especially considering that you say you DO read the forums and what is being discussed on here. As stated in another thread concerning this idea, you can make a thread about a particular issue and just lock it, or do any other method of your choosing just so that members on these forums do not feel completely ignored as they have felt for months now.

The moderator team would also very much appreciate some sort of response to the multitude of concerns and issues we've brought up beyond the usual "the web team is on it" since that obviously has not gotten us anywhere or remotely addressed the issues we brought up.

This forum could be a GREAT place for people to come to to discuss MW2 and Infinity Ward as well as provide a much better line of communication between them and yourself/IW than twitter due to there being no 140 character limit here. This would very much allow people to better express themselves, explain themselves, etc leading to better communication of their ideas, opinions, & concerns as well as being able to get feedback to them from IW and other users in the same manner without having to sift through countless tweets as well as organizing the conversations in one thread easily accessed by all. But, it is about as far away from that as it can be right now much to the dismay of users.

Having said all of this, it is great to see some activity out of yourself on here and hopefully we can look forward to much more, as well as the site and forums hopefully receiving some much needed support. Thank you for posting your acknowledgment of this situation and taking part in the forums once again.

UPDATE:


Rob why do you choose to comment on this when Cokra has come out and laid out essentially what we and the forums feel?

A second mod calls him out again.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=214300&start=150#p3344890

UPDATE 2:

Are you freaking kidding me Rob?! You completely ignore almost EVERYTHING I talked about, discussed, or mentioned and instead decided to quote someone else to avoid all of those question/concerns. And when you did address myself in your reply you only replied to one singular thing and ignored everything else. Not to mention that is not, by a long shot, the only issue or concern we have brought to you, Infinity Ward, and now Activision. Why were half of our abilities and powers taken away with no explanation? Then ignored us consistently when we inquired about them.

Also, we are tired of these complete rehash statements about the web team and most of all these sympathy statements you are trying to use to exempt yourself from actually doing anything or responding in a decent fashion. When will you ACTUALLY respond to us? When will you ACTUALLY give us the explanation we deserve? I mean hell, we've worked for you for absolutley nothing, dedicated many many hours of our time to keeping these forums in some semblance of order. We have given much more than asked of us, and not for you or IW by a long shot, but for the community, and you don't even have the decency to acknowledge us for MONTHS and then when you weakly do you ignore almost every issue, pawn off the same mediocre response, try to play funny, and then try to play the sympathy card again.

This isn't the beginning and it's far from the end. It's the middle. It started with Sparky, with J.RHy@n, and this had been going on for months before we ever came along. Those two held the forums down for a very long time while the game was actually being developed. They had the powers to do what was necessary and they, too, had their powers taken away with no explanation. They also had zero communication such as we have had. This is far removed from the time for trial and error, waaay beyond that. The forums are a complete disaster, and for what reason? What reason at all?! Because you don't trust us? Haven't we earned that trust by our actions as moderators, by sticking around ALL of this time despite the complete lack of support, and by dedicating a substantial amount of time here to "hold down the fort" while you are away? All while having absolutley no expectations of being rewarded or reimbursed?

Please, give us the answers, explanations, and the damn common courtesy we deserve and have more than earned.

It would, but we've tried way more than numerous times to do so privately through every line of private and public communication we could think of. This is actually what it has boiled down to seems to be the only way we might possibly get the response we need and deserve out of him.

And... fourzerotwo's response:


We completely appreciate all the time you've put into helping clean up the forums for the community, but you sound like you need a MUCH needed vacation from the duty. You sound like you're about to have a heart attack, and I can promise you that NOTHING online is worth getting that worked up over.

The Community Moderator position was designed to be volunteer work to help address spam as they could. It is not meant to consume your life. It's a hard, thankless, and daunting thing to take on, but you really shouldn't let it get to you like this.

As far as site issues, there is nothing further to comment other than the web team is aware of the issues and are looking into it. I'm sorry if that response doesn't meet your standards but there is nothing additional to add at this time.

To Foxhound as well, there are no additional moderation powers to give. As I stated above, the Community Moderator role is a limited one and we won't be giving any more access to user profiles than is currently available. The role of a community moderator is purely to delete spam as they see fit, lock threads, and help point people in the right direction with questions / looking for answers. All of which can be done with current powers.

That said, none of this is really relevant to the topic at hand and has no place in the public forum.

Now that mod has been demoted... despite trying to help the community and having over 4200 posts there.

[lightbeats]

Haha, fourzerotwo what a load of tripe. The fourzerotwo blog was great for COD4, he posted lengthy posts, and it some what worked as it addressed much of the forums queries. That and the fact that half the people weren't in a RAGE with COD4 so any news was usually good news.

It just seems like he is a social networking die hard fan and because he likes to use twitter he uses it. Plus with twitter it means he can pick and choose what he answers and ignore those he doesn't wish to get involved with.

Plus his point about using twitter "on the run", what? He responds to people on his mobile, thanks, how professional, good to know you check your phone once in a while and select one out of a thousand tweets to respond to instead of posting the bad news on a forum where we can answer back.

Actually I aspire to be him, as community manager he simply has to check his phone whilst having a ♥♥♥♥, using our money to wipe his ♥♥♥♥ with.

[InFailityWard]

Haha priceless!!!

[Samba Pa Ti]

twitter is such a load of disjointed garbage, it sickens me that he chooses to use that to talk to the community, hes dug a hole for himself there and somones pulled him up on it, i hope this means we start getting more interaction and steam update news.

[Justin K.]

Haha priceless!!!

Aha exactly my thought!

[Redshirt54]

You have to feel for the mods. They work for free and get a lot of crap thrown at them. I can totally understand where he is coming from, and tbh the mods there have certainly had their work cut out for them.

How long before it's pulled?

[InFailityWard]

You have to feel for the mods. They work for free and get a lot of crap thrown at them. I can totally understand where he is coming from, and tbh the mods there have certainly had their work cut out for them.

How long before it's pulled?

True, ultimately they get the huge ♥♥♥♥storm from all the people on the forum and not him

[iGaming | Chaos]

You have to feel for the mods. They work for free and get a lot of crap thrown at them. I can totally understand where he is coming from, and tbh the mods there have certainly had their work cut out for them.

Yep, I feel the same way about the mods here.

402 is such a wanker.

[lilazndude1145]

Infinity Ward Assassin activated.
Infinity Ward Assassin V.A.T.S. target system activated.
*targeting community mod*
*targets community mods head*
*accept*

Boom, headshot.

[Whups]

He replied again :D

[InFailityWard]

What he say what he say

[Whups]

What he say what he say

lol http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=214300&start=150#p3344686

[InFailityWard]

is that guy talking about him? lol...

[Whups]

is that guy talking about him? lol...

Yeah so he responds, my guess is hes trying to make a point why he doesn't like posting on his own forums lol.

[InFailityWard]

Holy ♥♥♥♥ isn't that what community managers are for? To deal with the community??


What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Whups]

Holy ♥♥♥♥ isn't that what community managers are for? To deal with the community??


What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

hahaha yeah that's what they are for

[CircularLogic]

Rob why do you choose to comment on this when Cokra has come out and laid out essentially what we and the forums feel?

A second mod calls him out again.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=214300&start=150#p3344890

[InFailityWard]

Yea that one was delicious, check out this one also:
I agree with Foxhound.

402, i dont understand your decisions on which replies you respond to. Myself, Cokra and a few others have brought up some valid points of discussion yet you dismiss them with your poor attempt at being humourous. You say the main reason why you dont visit these forums is because of the extreme amounts of spam, yet you choose to contribute to the spam further rather than constructively discuss the issue at hand.

Not by a mod but still

[Whups]

Lol this had me laughing:

Soon I am going to give up on #MW2 soon since I can't play a real game and keep getting shuffled into "hacked" private games.
http://twitter.com/II_FOXHOUND_II/status/6644928297 his mod's twitter

[i4play]

That 402 guy is even a bigger ♥♥♥♥head then Iallready thought. He decides not to reply to a decent post by one of the community mods, but does reply to one of the more useless posts...to make his point..♥♥♥♥ing crybaby...That 402 guy should be sodomised by a whole platoon of marines, till he pee's oil

[CircularLogic]

They are cleaning out the thread now... so expect all of the negative posts to get wiped.

[InFailityWard]

Well they can't make us unsee it!

[Whups]

He posted again :D

[InFailityWard]

And another BS reply, suprise suprise

[ahmoudy]

He's not a community manager anymore..... He's a creative strategist... (I guess it's a cool name for dbag)

[ProwerPlays]

Hmm, I think everyone should continue to push the thread further! Don't make bad spam (like the guest account did), just keep talking about issues that need to be fixed! If the community mods are mad, hen someone from IW has to moderate it and see the posts...


I'm getting very hopeful for some reason... It seems like everyone is getting fed up, and I want to see results =]

EDIT: Warning, the guest account just changed the avatar....oh gosh...

[InFailityWard]

lololol I guess that's why there's no avatars allowed around here

[ProwerPlays]

I'm really hoping FourZeroTwo is looking at that thread...please tell me he didn't leave already...there might be hope...

I need to slap myself...can't get THAT hopeful...

[noodlesoup]

402 just got lazy. The forums r only in such a state cos of the lack of info about any of the games issues and then he uses that as a reason not to post on em. Y people hate 402;

The lies
Twitter
Chooses which question to provide answers to
Hes just ♥♥♥♥ at his job. Supposed to be a community manager.

Im sure u lot can think of more.

At least the community moderators (with love infailityward!) are takin a stand :)

[Whups]

402 just got lazy. The forums r only in such a state cos of the lack of info about any of the games issues and then he uses that as a reason not to post on em. Y people hate 402;

The lies
Twitter
Chooses which question to provide answers to
Hes just ♥♥♥♥ at his job. Supposed to be a community manager.

Im sure u lot can think of more.

At least the community managers are takin a stand :)

I don't got an issue with twitter, but yeah the big one is: choosing which questions he wants to answer.

[InFailityWard]

402 just got lazy. The forums r only in such a state cos of the lack of info about any of the games issues and then he uses that as a reason not to post on em. Y people hate 402;

The lies
Twitter
Chooses which question to provide answers to
Hes just ♥♥♥♥ at his job. Supposed to be a community manager.

Im sure u lot can think of more.

At least the community managers are takin a stand :)

You mean the forum moderators?

[Whups]

You mean the forum moderators?

Community Volunteer Moderators. You knew what he meant though.

[InFailityWard]

Kinda, just wasn't too sure I was reading it right.. english isn't my first language.

Not my second either


♥

[Whups]

Kinda, just wasn't too sure I was reading it right.. english isn't my first language.

Not my second either


♥

hehe :), I'm curious on what it is though? I want to learn Korean/Chinese :P

[s0ul]

IW over 9000 - Community 2

Its a start.

[JIgsawX]

This is good it seems they are in disarray....Someone is feeling heat now and I'm thinking its 402.I don't like when someone loses their Job but that dude has not done anything to help anyone or explain anything at all.He(402) deserves to be fired.

[LEDkid]

This is good it seems they are in disarray....Someone is feeling heat now and I'm thinking its 402.I don't like when someone loses their Job but that dude has not done anything to help anyone or explain anything at all.He(402) deserves to be fired.

Indeed, he does deserve it. After taking a month long vacation and completely ignoring the community, he comes back, and makes a post on the IW forums,... the mods call him out on all his shortcomings and how he's ignored them for FAR to long, and what does he do? /lock forum /remove mod privileges *flips the bird* and walks away..

To put this in perspective, lets use an example that happened to me today. My family and I went to one of our favorite restaurants, needless to say after ordering, and waiting for an hour and half, we have decided to not go back because of the ♥♥♥♥ty service.

IW has made awesome games and had awesome service... until now. Whats to say we won't leave them? 402 just basically told everyone "♥♥♥♥ you i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ cause i have your money" and he expects us to stay... and like it? I for one am done

/end rant

[s0ul]

Indeed, he does deserve it. After taking a month long vacation and completely ignoring the community, he comes back, and makes a post on the IW forums,... the mods call him out on all his shortcomings and how he's ignored them for FAR to long, and what does he do? /lock forum /remove mod privileges *flips the bird* and walks away..

Did not know he did that.
God damn... I just wanna kick that guy in the nuts.

[Kreider]

Did not know he did that.
God damn... I just wanna kick that guy in the nuts.

plus rep my friend, plus rep :)

[yoops]

Blizzard does it right.
Valve does it right.
IW does it wrong.

[Xenofreak]

After taking a look through his twitter, I can't help but think he's a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Larger than I ever thought. Look at that stupid ♥♥♥♥ he posts and replies to. He's basically just shooting the ♥♥♥♥, and he's probably getting paid to do it calling it 'community management'. Bobby Kotick needs to ♥♥♥♥ing learn to cut costs to raise profit instead of simply raising prices. Firing 402 could be the first step.

[Ramzy]

Cokra seems to have been demoted.

[Tikbalang]

I still do not understand the need for them to use twitter, even after reading their reasons. To me it sounds like an executive decision to make IW and MW2 community seem "cool", much like your grandad trying to be "down with it" to impress you.. much to your horror.

[ahmoudy]

Jeez could you imagine a mod war breaking out here? Like dam dude keep your ♥♥♥♥♥es on a leesh

Looks unprofessional on their part, but makes for amazing entertainment... Too bad they couldn't cancel each other out

[CircularLogic]

Cokra seems to have been demoted.

Can't have dissension in the ranks.

And... LOL@locking that thread. Some of the posts in there were priceless.

[CircularLogic]

Here's the reason why Cokra was demoted:

Are you freaking kidding me Rob?! You completely ignore almost EVERYTHING I talked about, discussed, or mentioned and instead decided to quote someone else to avoid all of those question/concerns. And when you did address myself in your reply you only replied to one singular thing and ignored everything else. Not to mention that is not, by a long shot, the only issue or concern we have brought to you, Infinity Ward, and now Activision. Why were half of our abilities and powers taken away with no explanation? Then ignored us consistently when we inquired about them.

Also, we are tired of these complete rehash statements about the web team and most of all these sympathy statements you are trying to use to exempt yourself from actually doing anything or responding in a decent fashion. When will you ACTUALLY respond to us? When will you ACTUALLY give us the explanation we deserve? I mean hell, we've worked for you for absolutley nothing, dedicated many many hours of our time to keeping these forums in some semblance of order. We have given much more than asked of us, and not for you or IW by a long shot, but for the community, and you don't even have the decency to acknowledge us for MONTHS and then when you weakly do you ignore almost every issue, pawn off the same mediocre response, try to play funny, and then try to play the sympathy card again.

This isn't the beginning and it's far from the end. It's the middle. It started with Sparky, with J.RHy@n, and this had been going on for months before we ever came along. Those two held the forums down for a very long time while the game was actually being developed. They had the powers to do what was necessary and they, too, had their powers taken away with no explanation. They also had zero communication such as we have had. This is far removed from the time for trial and error, waaay beyond that. The forums are a complete disaster, and for what reason? What reason at all?! Because you don't trust us? Haven't we earned that trust by our actions as moderators, by sticking around ALL of this time despite the complete lack of support, and by dedicating a substantial amount of time here to "hold down the fort" while you are away? All while having absolutley no expectations of being rewarded or reimbursed?

Please, give us the answers, explanations, and the damn common courtesy we deserve and have more than earned.

It would, but we've tried way more than numerous times to do so privately through every line of private and public communication we could think of. This is actually what it has boiled down to seems to be the only way we might possibly get the response we need and deserve out of him.

[CircularLogic]

And... fourzerotwo's response:


We completely appreciate all the time you've put into helping clean up the forums for the community, but you sound like you need a MUCH needed vacation from the duty. You sound like you're about to have a heart attack, and I can promise you that NOTHING online is worth getting that worked up over.

The Community Moderator position was designed to be volunteer work to help address spam as they could. It is not meant to consume your life. It's a hard, thankless, and daunting thing to take on, but you really shouldn't let it get to you like this.

As far as site issues, there is nothing further to comment other than the web team is aware of the issues and are looking into it. I'm sorry if that response doesn't meet your standards but there is nothing additional to add at this time.

To Foxhound as well, there are no additional moderation powers to give. As I stated above, the Community Moderator role is a limited one and we won't be giving any more access to user profiles than is currently available. The role of a community moderator is purely to delete spam as they see fit, lock threads, and help point people in the right direction with questions / looking for answers. All of which can be done with current powers.

That said, none of this is really relevant to the topic at hand and has no place in the public forum.

What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Deez.Nuts]

Now you've read it guys.

Glad you funded this type of smug idiot to develop your games?

[iGaming | Chaos]

Now you've read it guys.

Glad you funded this type of smug idiot to develop your games?

I don't care who dev's the games I enjoy tbh.

[s0ul]

Damn, Cokra dedicated all his spare time to the forums and didn't get ♥♥♥♥.
And on top of that he lost his rank because of the biggest ♥♥♥♥♥♥BAG in the entire world.
Omg I freaking hate him.

[Whups]

I don't care who dev's the games I enjoy tbh.

Best words I seen from Chaos in a long time.

[Redfyre]

I don't care who dev's the games I enjoy tbh.

I'd love to see you enjoy it when Infinity Ward pulls the plug on IWNet.

GGchaosGG

[CircularLogic]

Damn, Cokra dedicated all his spare time to the forums and didn't get ♥♥♥♥.
And on top of that he lost his rank because of the biggest ♥♥♥♥♥♥BAG in the entire world.
Omg I freaking hate him.

4200+ posts as well.

[windex2009]

I'd say lets all suck it up and take one for the team.

I have the feeling most here don't like twitter, I feel the same way. HOWEVER, if 402 thinks twitter is so great I've bite the bullet and setup an account.

I say everyone here and at the IW forums should do the same and lets show Mr. Bowling why twitter is the wrong medium for what he wants to accomplish.

When users begin splitting their 1000 word posts into 10 "tweets" and the thousands of users begin pouring in comments he will soon realize why you cannot replace a forum with twitter.

Please, suck it up, set yourself up with a twitter account and everytime you make a post here, make one over on twitter directed at @fourzerotwo....

[Redfyre]

I'd say lets all suck it up and take one for the team.

I have the feeling most here don't like twitter, I feel the same way. HOWEVER, if 402 thinks twitter is so great I've bite the bullet and setup an account.

I say everyone here and at the IW forums should do the same and lets show Mr. Bowling why twitter is the wrong medium for what he wants to accomplish.

When users begin splitting their 1000 word posts into 10 "tweets" and the thousands of users begin pouring in comments he will soon realize why you cannot replace a forum with twitter.

Please, suck it up, set yourself up with a twitter account and everytime you make a post here, make one over on twitter directed at @fourzerotwo....

Looks like I owe him over 1000 tweets eh?:p

[windex2009]

Looks like I owe him over 1000 tweets eh?:p

lol, might take a while, you better get to it!

[Lollercake]

I'd say lets all suck it up and take one for the team.

I have the feeling most here don't like twitter, I feel the same way. HOWEVER, if 402 thinks twitter is so great I've bite the bullet and setup an account.

I say everyone here and at the IW forums should do the same and lets show Mr. Bowling why twitter is the wrong medium for what he wants to accomplish.

When users begin splitting their 1000 word posts into 10 "tweets" and the thousands of users begin pouring in comments he will soon realize why you cannot replace a forum with twitter.

Please, suck it up, set yourself up with a twitter account and everytime you make a post here, make one over on twitter directed at @fourzerotwo....

Haha, ♥♥♥♥ yes! Twitter is such a ♥♥♥♥ medium to use for game support. I'm setting one up right now. Going to make a minimum of two tweets a day on the issues I've encountered and continue to encounter. :D

[THE Nakedgun]

I cannot navigate twitter at all.

So say Patch notes are released (lol) then a few hundred people reply oh look those notes are now lost in the void of twitter.

Says th is on 402 Twittter.
Previously worked in Music and Print.

[Danbowski]

F*** Twitter, facebook, myspace and anything like it. Oh btw, F*** you too 402. Use the forum you d0ush3balloon.

[bv202]

Is Cokra really demoted because of that response? Or are these just rumours?

[noodlesoup]

if he did demote him hes jst making things worse, we already hate 402 and hes jst giving us more reason, the community manager whos trying to get some of our issues addressed and get 402 more active on the forums and he demotes him. That forums not gna quieten down now lol, its just gna be full of more rage as people learn this.

[Whups]

Is Cokra really demoted because of that response? Or are these just rumours?
He's demoted. It's unsure of if he was demoted by the staff or he left of disappointment.

402 did say: If your taking this volunteer job too serious you need to take a break/vacation or some ♥♥♥♥ lol.

[InFailityWard]

hehe :), I'm curious on what it is though? I want to learn Korean/Chinese :P

First is Arabic second is Dutch, Chinese is pretty cool yeah :cool:

[InFailityWard]

Damn, Cokra dedicated all his spare time to the forums and didn't get ♥♥♥♥.
And on top of that he lost his rank because of the biggest ♥♥♥♥♥♥BAG in the entire world.
Omg I freaking hate him.

Really gotta give the guy credit tho, him and foxhound did what no other mod would do in any other forum

Sorry about double post

[Redfyre]

Really gotta give the guy credit tho, him and foxhound did what no other mod would do in any other forum

Sorry about double post

Nah I commend Cokra for speaking out about the ridiculous methods used by 402 to get to the masses.
Tweeting is not the proper method(when it comes to PC gaming) and demoting a dedicated and popular moderator is even worse.

[Andyucs]

I have always said the official forum is the official line of contact for all issues regarding there products

not his personal twitters account

[EhkoXC]

So, let me get this straight, Cokra calls out 402 about not doing a damn thing (seriously where can I get a job like that?) and asks for help and loses his community mod position as a result? The guy dedicated his free time to help out a company putting tons of hours into a thankless job and all gets in response from the company is a big middle finger, what a joke.

This man needs to be fired, now, a community manager is supposed to speak to the community, all Robert Bowling can do it try to cover his own ♥♥♥ and post useless posts on Twitter. I really hate to call for someone to lose their job, but Bowling has done absolutely nothing but hurt his company's image since he took over the position.

[windex2009]

Here are some fine contributions from IW's fantastic community manager:

DrjftGaming: @fourzerotwo Dunno how you haven't been laid off yet tbh.

@DrjftGaming haha. Yeah, because my results have been so horrendous. :facepalm:

Zube56: @fourzerotwo Nobody likes IW.NET. Nobody Like P2P connections for FPS. You failed, just admit it and lets move on

(and proceded to dump another 20 tweets as if it were a forum posts)

@Zube56 what specific issues on PC are you wanting the team to look into? You're 16 tweets in and haven't named anything (besides cheats) (something that would land many of us in the unemployment line if we gave the customer this kind of lip... well maybe not for this alone, but if you take it all in hes pretty rude to the customers)

@fourzerotwo You know, if there were some official forums to post on, he might not have to make 16 tweets to convey his frustrations.

@windexxxx There are & they're always read. Missing point.

@fourzerotwo Oh there is no doubt you're missing the point...

[Ferocity]

This is so epic on many levels.

Who is the board of angry old guys that runs IW? They should know by now all the negativity for the Company Robert Bowling is causing.

Fire dat ♥♥♥! Hire a guy from Valve instead :cool:

[EhkoXC]

Very nice windex, keep the pressure on him. He has done so many things so far that would get a regular person canned in a second, yet he still has a job, what is wrong with this picture?

[Whups]

This is so epic on many levels.

Who is the board of angry old guys that runs IW? They should know by now all the negativity for the Company Robert Bowling is causing.

Fire dat ♥♥♥! Hire a guy from Valve instead :cool:

We need the guy who started IW back in the day :) who left.

[EhkoXC]

We need the guy who started IW back in the day :) who left.
I think you're thinking of Grant Collier. His interview before CoD 4 came out about the PC version is a shining example of how developers should treat PC gamers.

[CircularLogic]

We should all start flooding his twitter with PC issues.

[EhkoXC]

We should all start flooding his twitter with PC issues.
The IW forum has already started with that it looks like.

[windex2009]

The IW forum has already started with that it looks like.

BTW, I cross posted this on the IW forums:

I'd say lets all suck it up and take one for the team.

I have the feeling most here don't like twitter, I feel the same way. HOWEVER, if 402 thinks twitter is so great I've bite the bullet and setup an account.

I say everyone here and at the IW forums should do the same and lets show Mr. Bowling why twitter is the wrong medium for what he wants to accomplish.

When users begin splitting their 1000 word posts into 10 "tweets" and the thousands of users begin pouring in comments he will soon realize why you cannot replace a forum with twitter.

Please, suck it up, set yourself up with a twitter account and everytime you make a post here, make one over on twitter directed at @fourzerotwo....

[EhkoXC]

Huh, so that was you, I saw that thread. I don't really post much over there (I think I have 3 posts), but it's an interesting place to just watch the trainwreck that is MW2's release and "support" continue.

[BrokenAngel]

402 is a goon...

I watch his twitter account all the time and he has been asked and asked and asked multiple times by many people from the pc community for information and i have yet to see him respond to a single one. so his Twitter excuse is BS if i ever saw it.

Iw has failed on so many levels its hard to count them, there communication with the Pc community is a total and complete and utter 100% failure, there game is riddled with issues that need dealt with and they have 1000's upon 10,000's of customers that spent damn good hard earned cash on there product and they can't even have the decency of responding to them. They direct people to the IW forums to look for answers and fail miserably to help provide any answers and obviously to the point where there community moderators are fed up with the issue.

402 needs to be fired, plain and simple...put him in some other department but for his VERY HIGH 6 figure salary he could at least respond. His salary before extras is around 250,000+ a year..and with bonuses i would be easily over 300,000 a year. You'd think if your drawing in that much cash you could at least take a few minutes a week and post some basic information on the community forums your supposed to be in charge of..

http://www.myspace.com/iamfourzerotwo


402 is an idiot, a liar and a absentee community manager who couldn't give a rats ♥♥♥♥ about his PC customers and has shown that clearly and undeniably that he Just does not give a Sh*t.

/end rant (for now)

[CircularLogic]

Updated the first post to contain all dialogue between the moderators and fourzerotwo.

[SpunkyKuma]

There seems to be a trend of bad or neglective CRMs in several game companies lately. JD_2020 refused to post on their own forums for the first 5-6 months and was posting his responses on some 3rd party COD fan site then when he finally started responding on the official callofduty forums, he wsa flaming other posters. Draakull of SWG is about 5 times worse, and now 402 which seems to have shallow knowledge of the actual game (he said "need burst shots with an ACR").

But they're there to pass the word from the devs to us, and vice versa and 402 using Twitter really isn't the best solution. I can understand him using Twitter before 11/10 release while he was on the road so he can blog his activities, but that's over now.

[ElfShotTheFood]

Now you've read it guys.

Glad you funded this type of smug idiot to develop your games?

He didn't make the game. He's just some sort of "Super Moderator/Admin" for the IW community and forums.

[CircularLogic]

He didn't make the game. He's just some sort of "Super Moderator/Admin" for the IW community and forums.

He's the community manager... and as such he's the entry point for all complaints.

[JIgsawX]

He's the community manager... and as such he's the entry point for all complaints.

You mean were complaints go and die.The guy to me seems like a cocky d-bag like most of the corporate POS now a days.

[ahmoudy]

Loldont even bother with Twitter guys... I've sent him like eleventy billion DM's asked about a patch..

Hey whats the eta on a patch?
Patcch eta?
Patch eta?
Patch?
Eta?
Eta patch?
Patch ate?
Patch tae?
Patch tea?
Patch ♥♥♥♥ing ETA?!?!

Nothing, he just uses twitterfor his celebrity shenanegans, cus he's a supastarrr!!
Patch

[Danbowski]

We should all start flooding his twitter with PC issues.Honestly, I think the best thing to do is not use any kind of communication with IW. Cut them off. You might say how and why?, but why bother if we are not getting any responses or help? Just a thought.

[bv202]

http://twitter.com/Cokra

It seems he's really demoted for giving critism on 402... tjeez.

[dood]

I've said it before. 402 is a joke.

[tepescovir]

they deleted the thread, Big surprise

[windex2009]

Hmm... unless they decided to outright ban me for making that post and giving Mr. Bowling some ♥♥♥♥ on twitter the forums show as completely missing.

When I click on the board index link I get "This board has no forums."

[MutantMonkey]

Hmm... unless they decided to outright ban me for making that post and giving Mr. Bowling some ♥♥♥♥ on twitter the forums show as completely missing.

When I click on the board index link I get "This board has no forums."

Same, I also have been getting this for the past few months when I try to log in:

Fatal error: Cannot redeclare send_password_reminder() (previously declared in /var/www/2009/html/registration/includes/phpbb_bootstrap.inc.php:8) in /var/www/2009/html/registration/includes/phpbb_bootstrap.inc.php on line 34

[tepescovir]

i had to clear the cookies from this forums before it worked again, guess they restored a backup

[zAce]

IW / 402 is full of crap. They don't listen to the community, they only sit on their fat asses and pretend they care.

There are still bugs in COD4 which has been proven and discussed a lot of times, they still havn't done NOTHING! They completely ignore the stuff the community asks them. While the COMMUNITY HAVE TO fix what they cannot fix.

I can admit I bought the game for PC, and it can be fun. But there's so much they could improve (dedi servers for one) to make the game good. If there's a patch (with patch notes!) and none of the community requested stuff, that is it for me and this game and company.

I just wish people started take notice of this BS and complain. (However IW would most likely do nothing.. as usual.)

Also, thanks for making this thread. Without it I wouldn't have gotten this information because of the deletion of the threads.

[Namelesshero]

Well is'nt the internet worldwide? so why can't he update the official infinity forums while he's on the road or over seas? is'nt going to the official infinity ward site to view and read updates on the forums just as easy as visiting and reading an update on twitter? can't he just sticky the updated info on the forums? whould that be easier for people to read about game updates?.

They had NO problems telling everyone to visit their official site months before the game came out.
But now that it's out and they have made their millions and millions, now they can't be bothered with their own OFFICIAL WEBSITE?.

How ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the guys at IW heads are so big right now, that have no idea their second game is'nt even half the game the first game was/is.
The only reason they sold so many coppies of MW2 is because many thought it would be just as good or better than the first (COD4).

I can guarantee you, MW3 will not sell as many coppies as MW2 did, and many will not trust IW after this.

[Lollercake]

But... but... Twitter is so awesome! I mean, think of it... Either you write one forum post every now and then where you address the community on the feedback you've received OR you write a couple hundred short tweets, space them out between every hour or so and thus make it look like you're much more busier than you really are. And also, since Twitter is so unorganized you can even write the same replies over and over again if you mix them up a bit. :D

[Redfyre]

But... but... Twitter is so awesome! I mean, think of it... Either you write one forum post every now and then where you address the community on the feedback you've received OR you write a couple hundred short tweets, space them out between every hour or so and thus make it look like you're much more busier than you really are. And also, since Twitter is so unorganized you can even write the same replies over and over again if you mix them up a bit. :D

Not to mention a Tweet has like a 20 character limit(or 30).
You can't answer a question in a serious manner without making at least 10 separate Tweets.

[Redshirt54]

I'm glad there is another MW2 forum (this one) that is about as popular as the official one. Hell, if I have any problems or issues I look here first!

What I don't get is why companies at the top get complacent and generally don't give a crap, there are lots of examples of this. They think they're untouchable at the moment, and they're right. Give it a year or two, they'll be asking themselves what went wrong and the answer is simple... the same ♥♥♥♥ing reason you got to the top in the first place!

[CoKra]

So, after stumbling upon this here thread of yours on these here forums I just HAD to register haha. Yes, I am the same CoKra from the IW forums that started all of this and was removed as a moderator. Just had to say hi to you guys and that I enjoyed the read :)

[NearNihil]

What a dickweeds. You'd think a multimillion dollar company would at least have common sense.

[Redfyre]

So, after stumbling upon this here thread of yours on these here forums I just HAD to register haha. Yes, I am the same CoKra from the IW forums that started all of this and was removed as a moderator. Just had to say hi to you guys and that I enjoyed the read :)

How do we know you are legit good Sir Knight?

[ahmoudy]

So, after stumbling upon this here thread of yours on these here forums I just HAD to register haha. Yes, I am the same CoKra from the IW forums that started all of this and was removed as a moderator. Just had to say hi to you guys and that I enjoyed the read :)Well hello? Couldn't you have done some sabotage before going out like that? maybe delete some of his pointless stickies? :D :confused:

[ProwerPlays]

How do we know you are legit good Sir Knight?

Look at his Twitter, he has posed about seeing this topic.

[Redfyre]

Look at his Twitter, he has posed about seeing this topic.

Oh gosh.
I suppose I am the only non-Twitter freak 'round these here parts.

Maybe someone hacked his Twitter? :p

[corx]

This is beyond the dedicated server issue - how can they spit in the faces of their own mods. All the community is in pain. And the guy with the nickname 402 should be shoot in the head.

[CoKra]

How do we know you are legit good Sir Knight?

Umm, I honestly don't know how to prove it to you haha. I can PM you on the IW forums if you like, assuming, of course, if it is working properly.

Well hello? Couldn't you have done some sabotage before going out like that? maybe delete some of his pointless stickies? :D :confused:

Nah, it's not my style, sorry to disappoint :(

[EhkoXC]

So, after stumbling upon this here thread of yours on these here forums I just HAD to register haha. Yes, I am the same CoKra from the IW forums that started all of this and was removed as a moderator. Just had to say hi to you guys and that I enjoyed the read :)
You have our support CoKra! Sadly, the way they handled this fits nicely with everything else they've done this year.

What happened to this company? If you would have told me 3-4 months ago that I would not only not be buying Modern Warfare 2 and that I would also not be buying any product for Infinity Ward until serious changes are made I would have said you were out of your damn mind. Yet, here it is a month after the launch of the game and that's exactly where I'm at.

[ProwerPlays]

Oh gosh.
I suppose I am the only non-Twitter freak 'round these here parts.

Maybe someone hacked his Twitter? :p

Don't confuse me with "Twitter freak". I just checked out his Twitter after reading his post :P

But on this topic, you seem really frustrated with the game, Cokra, why did you continue to work as a moderator after getting horrible answers/feedback from 402?

[Redfyre]

A Volunteer moderator volunteers his spare time towards a moderation role.

The time spent moderating is entirely up to the volunteer to dictate and "402" saying that you dedicated "too much time" to a "volunteer" role is complete horsecrap.

I am still somewhat at a loss for the reasons behind your removal.

Umm, I honestly don't know how to prove it to you haha. I can PM you on the IW forums if you like, assuming, of course, if it is working properly.
I tried to post there three times. Each was at least 2 days apart and I was a "Guest" each time.

[ahmoudy]

Look at his Twitter, he has posed about seeing this topic.WOW, never thought this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmjppNkqszk) would catch his attention!

[Ferocity]

So, after stumbling upon this here thread of yours on these here forums I just HAD to register haha. Yes, I am the same CoKra from the IW forums that started all of this and was removed as a moderator. Just had to say hi to you guys and that I enjoyed the read :)

Well if you are legit. Let me welcome you to the wonderful forum boards that is a part of Valve's soul. You can't find a better forum on this planet.

And here, have a rep cookie for dedicating yourself to put 402 in a bad light :)

[TheGear]

Hey Cokra,
i've been following your endeavors from the Netherlands, and i must say i applaud your ability to engage in calm and clear discussion with 402, which resulted in him making a total rear-end of himself by demonising you.

It's a terribly ungrateful thing he's done to you mods after all your work. Too bad he's running a dictatorship nobody seems to be able to overthrow.

Maybe you could even apply to do some work here on the SPUF forums. :)

[ahmoudy]

Well CoKra, he definitly made himself look unprofessional and an ♥♥♥, patronizing you and telling you that you need time off when you've spent more time than anyone could imagine dealing with people like us.

[streaky]

Blizzard does it right

Really? They seem to be where doing it wrong came from.. Blizzard are the guys who though ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and pillaging the PC community was a good idea in the first place..

Then this guy (http://www.mikegotgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bobby-kotick.jpg) came along and made it over 9000 times worse.

[CoKra]

But on this topic, you seem really frustrated with the game, Cokra, why did you continue to work as a moderator after getting horrible answers/feedback from 402?

I am very frustrated with the game, and honestly, the only reason I even still play it is so I can get footage to continue making videos and such to work on my editing, VFX, GFX, and stuff like that. Since no one will want to watch a CoD4 video anymore, gotta go with MW2 videos.

But, I also found my own fun with it, which is using Shotguns, specifically the SPAS-12 mwahaha! As well as Throwing Knives.

Everything else in the game is just plain horrible. They made the game for the worst players and forced skilled players down to their level. The catered and listened only to the "lowest common denominator" so they could sell as many copies as they could.

Back on topic, I continued to moderate because I enjoyed the community over there and had loyalty to it. I wanted to be active over there and try to get it back to what it was like when I joined it. I didn't do it for fourzerotwo or IW, I continued to moderate to try to help the community out since no one else could.

After awhile I basically gave up, which was about two weeks before launch because of the lack of support. I recently started being more active on there, and at that barely at all, and even more at that rarely actually moderating.

Long story short I continued to do so, and so did the other moderators, for the community.

[streaky]

Indeed CoKra, if I may be so bold as to quote the west wing - "a triumph of the middling, a nod to mediocraty" - sums up MW2 perfectly.

[EhkoXC]

I am very frustrated with the game, and honestly, the only reason I even still play it is so I can get footage to continue making videos and such to work on my editing, VFX, GFX, and stuff like that. Since no one will want to watch a CoD4 video anymore, gotta go with MW2 videos.

But, I also found my own fun with it, which is using Shotguns, specifically the SPAS-12 mwahaha! As well as Throwing Knives.

Everything else in the game is just plain horrible. They made the game for the worst players and forced skilled players down to their level. The catered and listened only to the "lowest common denominator" so they could sell as many copies as they could.

Back on topic, I continued to moderate because I enjoyed the community over there and had loyalty to it. I wanted to be active over there and try to get it back to what it was like when I joined it. I didn't do it for fourzerotwo or IW, I continued to moderate to try to help the community out since no one else could.

After awhile I basically gave up, which was about two weeks before launch because of the lack of support. I recently started being more active on there, and at that barely at all, and even more at that rarely actually moderating.

Long story short I continued to do so, and so did the other moderators, for the community.
I don't know how you kept your sanity over there honestly. I signed up right around launch to post a few times and that place is a mess most of the time, not to mention the disgusting things that people post on the guest account. I can't imagine trying to moderate that. The fact that you had your mod powers stripped away for calling out 402 and asking for some help is beyond ridiculous. You know, God forbid that the community manager actually does something with the community besides ♥♥♥♥ around on Twitter all day.

[Redfyre]

I don't know how you kept your sanity over there honestly. I signed up right around launch to post a few times and that place is a mess most of the time, not to mention the disgusting things that people post on the guest account. I can't imagine trying to moderate that. The fact that you had your mod powers stripped away for calling out 402 and asking for some help is beyond ridiculous. You know, God forbid that the community manager actually does something with the community besides ♥♥♥♥ around on Twitter all day.

That is the great part.
"402" is getting paid to use his Twitter account.

Cokra did a better job than "402" at managing the official community forums for free, even with limited powers.

[ProwerPlays]

If CoD4 is where you want to make your videos, go ahead! You would be surprised, but there is still a demand out there for Call of Duty 4 videos.

I do know what you mean about catering to the casual crowd. Most people here know what you mean, seeing the absence of dedicated servers. I wouldn't even mind the matchmaking, as long as they had an add-on to allow dedicated servers on top of matchmaking.

Oh, and off topic, are you "ICoKraI " on Youtube? If so, nice videos!

[Curunir]

I made a relatively fresh arrival to the PC MW 2 scene and while I did hear some bad things about things, I never knew things were THAT bad indeed... Well, what can you do... Shame, really!

[CoKra]

Oh, and by the way, just a little bit ago after "thinking about what they said" (apparently referring to the other mods) and he doubled their powers. He gave them access to some of the forum / user ACP amazingly. Grats to them that he finally gave them what they needed to do their job.

[CoKra]

Oh, and off topic, are you "ICoKraI " on Youtube? If so, nice videos!

Yeah, that's me as well :) I tried to use one name across everything. The "i"'s come from my Xbox Live Gamertag as "CoKra" was already taken.

Thank you for the compliment! Did you happen to watch Unstoppable as well? That's my favorite, well the first 2 minutes (opening) and the literal last 5 seconds of the video are my favorite haha. The rest is awesome as well but those are just my personal favorite.

[ahmoudy]

I'm curious as to what 402 said about this forum on twitter, I can't seem to find what he wrote.

Question: technically he (402) can come one here and become a game mod, does he get banning powers?

[Redfyre]

I'm curious as to what 402 said about this forum on twitter, I can't seem to find what he wrote.

Question: technically he (402) can come one here and become a game mod, does he get banning powers?

No, coKra mentioned seeing this thread on HIS Twitter. Not 402.
402 doesn't give a hell about his own official company's forums, why would he care about these?

[ahmoudy]

oyea:rolleyes:
10 oyeas

[Whups]

Post on twitter so we can make sure your the REAL CoKra :D "I am the real CoKra on Steam forums"

[ahmoudy]

yea, I sent you a public reply, reply back or I want my rep points back

[Whups]

yea, I sent you a public reply, reply back or I want my rep points back
hehe he's cool person on twitter though actually replies in a timely fashion :D

[xcv-mike]

Lawl: http://twitter.com/fourzerotwo/status/6644117960

@offcrcartman Twitter has proven to be the most effective & fastest method to receive & spread info. We read everything though, incl. forums

[CoKra]

Lol what are your names on there I don't see any @CoKra's from these names haha?

[lllAE86lll]

Wow i feel bad for the moderator that tried so hard to help the community and wanted an improvement and just some powers and just an answer from him and all that problem he got demodded. Thats just sad, even though they are getting paid. They worked their asses off and not like the one who gets pay dont do anything and just sit and wait to accumulate the problems in each other and let it go by itself.

The company proves itself cannot be handle it professionally.

[ahmoudy]

just post a general post, saying: "I love Steam forums, and I want RedFyre to give me a back rub, my name is CoKra and i approve this massage ;)"

[Whups]

Lol what are your names on there I don't see any @CoKra's from these names haha?

@G4MR is me on twitter

[ahmoudy]

:eek: @ahmoudy

[Redfyre]

just post a general post, saying: "I love Steam forums, and I want RedFyre to give me a back rub, my name is CoKra and i approve this massage ;)"

Oh how I will enjoy giving my hero a backrub. ;)
haha

[Deez.Nuts]

When the Mortal Online beta started using Twitter. I stopped testing. What's next, status updates via facebook and myspace?

There's 100's more Robert Bowlings queuing up to do his job of Twittering some rubbish to people while he sits on his solid gold toilet, wiping his crack with the COD franchise.

[Whups]

When the Mortal Online beta started using Twitter. I stopped testing. What's next, status updates via facebook and myspace?

There's 100's more Robert Bowlings queuing up to do his job of Twittering some rubbish to people while he sits on his solid gold toilet, wiping his crack with the COD franchise.

Developers and marketers been using twitter for a while [real time micro updates], but then they had a website they posted more details about that info which I think 402 failed to do.

The problem isn't twitter, the problem is: not enough information is getting to us.

That's the real Cokra :D http://twitter.com/Cokra/status/6678737661

[ahmoudy]

lmao!

10 lmao!

[TheGear]

Oh, and by the way, just a little bit ago after "thinking about what they said" (apparently referring to the other mods) and he doubled their powers. He gave them access to some of the forum / user ACP amazingly. Grats to them that he finally gave them what they needed to do their job.

So, like, why them and not you? Are you being scapegoated for this?
Big LOL if 402 actually manages to think the community will believe that.

[streaky]

What's next, status updates via facebook and myspace?

Don't give people ideas.

Twitter = corporate spam. Nothing more.

That's why we use it for spamming people :)

402's position is untenable isn't it? He's already proven he can't communicate with anybody but stoned xbox gamers, and now this? How do his bosses let him get away with it?

Screw the 10% pc gamers, pissing off even 1 customer is a bad bad idea.

[Whups]

Don't give people ideas.

Twitter = corporate spam. Nothing more.

That's why we use it for spamming people :)

402's position is untenable isn't it? He's already proven he can't communicate with anybody but stoned xbox gamers, and now this? How do his bosses let him get away with it?

Screw the 10% pc gamers, jarateing off even 1 customer is a bad bad idea.

Bold: it's already been done for a while now.

[JIgsawX]

What a dickweeds. You'd think a multimillion dollar company would at least have common sense.
Money in no shape or form makes you smart.Look at Paris Hilton then look at IW.

[Whippy]

Bottom line is that the IW guy gets paid.

The forum mods are just forum users with more commitment. They don't get paid, and no one may even know/care that they have a real name. Calling out a paid employee over how he uses the internet to communicate is an obvious no-no.

Also 402 is 100% correct. Forums always fill up with garbage. This one is no different. There is little or no real information, infact its mostly complaint threads, and totally OT items. That guy deserves being demoted.

402 using twitter (which is odd to me) does cut out all the garbage of a forum, even if a topic is bookmarked at the top of a forum. I wish the steam mods cleaned these forums of OT items more often.

[JIgsawX]

Also 402 is 100% correct. Forums always fill up with garbage. This one is no different. There is little or no real information, infact its mostly complaint threads, and totally OT items. That guy deserves being demoted.


It all started when He(402)Decided he don't want to answer anything just what he feels like(Twitter).Its His Forum and on the back of the Box it tells you to go there for info and help.Demote CoKra ok whatever..They should fire 402 plain and simple for not doing his job...

Edit in Good for you CoKra standing up to Mr Super Star 402.Really Bowling you need your head deflated.

[jdub]

If the mod was getting paid and called out a superior in public, THAT might be a no-no. I don't think thats the case here. By using twitter he can maintain his plausible deniablity about issues that are discussed in the official forums. And with the short messages allowed on twitter, any other questions he doesn't want to answer are "garbage" as you put it, because the wording allows them to be interpreted in any way. I see no problem with someone calling him out on being a poor "community manager".

[LOSERSonSTRIKE]

I just tried sending him a tweet on how I feel about the matter, and I could barely get two sentances in without twitter flipping about the 140 char limit.

I hate that ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag.

[LEDkid]

::THIS JUST IN::

IW is banning and deleting posts/threads on the Infinity ward forums coming from anyone with any criticism towards fourzerotwo/IW/Activision in any way shape or form.

Just goes to show you how bad its getting. I don't see the forums lasting long at all, and will soon be filled with all the IW sheep baying for more BS from fourzerotwo.

[p5ychokilla]

They're dumbing down their community communication exactly the same way they did with the game itself. Minimum effort, Maximum profit. That's the In-Activision way! ;)

[iGaming | Chaos]

::THIS JUST IN::

IW is banning and deleting posts/threads on the Infinity ward forums coming from anyone with any criticism towards fourzerotwo/IW/Activision in any way shape or form.

Just goes to show you how bad its getting. I don't see the forums lasting long at all, and will soon be filled with all the IW sheep baying for more BS from fourzerotwo.

Haven't they been doing that since release day?

[LEDkid]

Haven't they been doing that since release day?

Not to the extent that they are now. Sure every day or so they would, but now its every 2-3 minutes a topic will get removed, or poster banned simply for agreeing (I myself was banned when all I posted was "yes indeed" -.-)

[ahmoudy]

mods have banning powers now, didn't you hear? look at what CoKra posted here

[juan626]

::THIS JUST IN::

IW is banning and deleting posts/threads on the Infinity ward forums coming from anyone with any criticism towards fourzerotwo/IW/Activision in any way shape or form.

Just goes to show you how bad its getting. I don't see the forums lasting long at all, and will soon be filled with all the IW sheep baying for more BS from fourzerotwo.
Good, getting rid of all the trash.

I tried going on that forum a few times but it was disgusting. Many threads encouraging and telling people to pirate, that IW needs to go bankrupt, people making these stupid pictures trashing MW2 or IW. Any less than negative discussion of the game was met with "IW lover". Quite a clueless crew over there getting off on hating stuff.

If I was an IW employee, I'd want to stay out of that forum too.

[CriticalKiller]

I don't really have any interest in anything twitter, but went there just to see CoKra's tweets as I was reading this thread. Of course the first thing I read is that tweet about backrubs, and I was like, "WTF?" then I read the rest of this thread and now I understand. lol

Oh well, it sucks to see how IW is treating volunteers and the community in general.

[LEDkid]

If I was an IW employee, I'd want to stay out of that forum too.

And yet had they been there supplying the community with answers to the serious, well laid out threads, instead of ignoring them it would not have come to that... but I suppose you don't want to think of it that way.

Tell me, do you enjoy what IW is doing? Do you ENJOY being ignored when asking questions in a mature manner, well formulated and valid arguments? If you truly believe that all that was in the IW forums was trash then you failed to read beyond topics.

[ahmoudy]

Of course the first thing I read is that tweet about backrubs, and I was like, "WTF?" then I read the rest of this thread and now I understand. lol lol, I really wasn't expecting him to tweet that.

[CircularLogic]

Banned 3 more of my accounts there today... you'd think that they'd be smart enough to IP ban me to at least make me spoof/proxy in.

[ahmoudy]

just looked on there and some dude was spamming his MP crack on every thread... is really THAT bad!? maybe I should hop on there more often

[Kreider]

Bump, this is too far back :).

[c00kie_cutter]

::THIS JUST IN::

IW is banning and deleting posts/threads on the Infinity ward forums coming from anyone with any criticism towards fourzerotwo/IW/Activision in any way shape or form.

Just goes to show you how bad its getting. I don't see the forums lasting long at all, and will soon be filled with all the IW sheep baying for more BS from fourzerotwo.

From what I've read so far in this thread and a few others I can say...

If this dip♥♥♥♥ can't take constructive criticism he deserves to GTFO, because one of the main things he _should_ be doing is making sure the community is happy and doing whatever he can to keep them that way. He'd rather people direct criticism at his twitter, which from what I've seen, he doesn't read anyway, so all I can make of his job description is: sit on your ♥♥♥ all day and reply to _some_ tweets.... and he gets 250k for it!

If that's not fail I don't know what is, paying someone to ignore all complaints that should be discussed to better the community, not make everyone hate it.

I just had a quick look at the IW forum, I just laughed, there's spam thread after spam thread, yet there's 1 mod that would rather spend his life on twitter and 1 other mod that will have to moderate his ♥♥♥ off to keep clean.

Good job though, keep it up! [/sarcasm]

[davep]

from the looks of it 402 is actually doing the right thing, why post on the forums when majority of the threads go off topic anyways and your answer to the question will get lost or only you will see it, making that same question get reposted

[NGAstunna]

I don't give a crap about this game anymore, but what's really funny is how the console kids finally agree with us PC players how IW failed big time in the IW forums.

Before the game was released the console kids at IW forums were siding IW like mad and came to troll on every single PC thread, calling us ♥♥♥♥♥es, whiners and such. Now look at them.. Hahaha WE TOLD YOU SO!!

[LEDkid]

from the looks of it 402 is actually doing the right thing, why post on the forums when majority of the threads go off topic anyways and your answer to the question will get lost or only you will see it, making that same question get reposted

Again... had he been active in the community and forums before it would not have gotten to that point. People's questions sat on the forums for a MONTH waiting for a reply, of course they got "off topic"... wouldn't you at that point?

[Lollercake]

from the looks of it 402 is actually doing the right thing, why post on the forums when majority of the threads go off topic anyways and your answer to the question will get lost or only you will see it, making that same question get reposted

The whole ♥♥♥♥ing reason why their forums are so ♥♥♥♥ed up is because people aren't getting answers to their concerns, their feedbacks, he keeps using the ♥♥♥♥ty twitter service... If he was as active on the forums as he is on twitter, the forums wouldn't be in such a ♥♥♥♥ing uproar.

Talk about missing the ball there davep.

[Maffis91]

the IW forums are filled with trolls, idiots and more trolls. I would stay away from that crappy forum too if I could, but maybe a mod like 402 should know better, but really, it's also the users fault for acting the way they do.

[BrokenAngel]

The whole ♥♥♥♥ing reason why their forums are so ♥♥♥♥ed up is because people aren't getting answers to their concerns, their feedbacks, he keeps using the ♥♥♥♥ty twitter service... If he was as active on the forums as he is on twitter, the forums wouldn't be in such a ♥♥♥♥ing uproar.

Talk about missing the ball there davep.

Yup...

They direct people to the forums to get answers to questions and IW clowns (402 specifically) don't answer any questions and the customer is left standing there with no answers.

The situation gets to the breaking point of peoples patience , especially when people have to fork out hard earned cash for a game they expect and deserve answers.

I play Combat Arms , Its a FREE online FPS shooter and i get answers with in days of asking questions at there forums..and you dont have to pay 60 bucks for that game..

[Tikbalang]

It about keeping on top of the forums from the get go instead of abandoning it and letting it run into the state its in now. Look at Steam forums, the mods keep on top of all the ♥♥♥♥ that flung about and it is a (relatively) good place to express concerns or issues.

[InFailityWard]

It about keeping on top of the forums from the get go instead of abandoning it and letting it run into the state its in now. Look at Steam forums, the mods keep on top of all the ♥♥♥♥ that flung about and it is a (relatively) good place to express concerns or issues.

Remember the L4D2 demo delay?

there are far more better gaming forums than this but of course compared to IW everything is good

[CircularLogic]

the IW forums are filled with trolls, idiots and more trolls. I would stay away from that crappy forum too if I could, but maybe a mod like 402 should know better, but really, it's also the users fault for acting the way they do.

If he kept up with the forums from the start and moderated them then it wouldn't be the wild west.

[windex2009]

I'm always amazed at his responses.

For example:

Someone tweeted that they thought it was lame that thermals don't work in snow.

Roberts Response (not exact, it should still be on his twitter pages if you really want to see it) oh I had no idea, ill forward this along...

I was baffled... I sent him a reply letting him know if he EVER visited the official forums he would have notice people complaining about this bug since the first hour it was available. And its not just this one time, if you really follow him you'll see his reaction is always this way.

If the definition of deadbeat employee doesn't show a picture of this guy I'd be amazed. I say as I post this during working hours ;)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the guys above him have zero clue about marketing on the internet. Mr Bowling has some how convinced them that hes doing a good job... probably using the number of followers on twitter as a benchmark...

[EhkoXC]

I'm always amazed at his responses.

For example:

Someone tweeted that they thought it was lame that thermals don't work in snow.

Roberts Response (not exact, it should still be on his twitter pages if you really want to see it) oh I had no idea, ill forward this along...

I was baffled... I sent him a reply letting him know if he EVER visited the official forums he would have notice people complaining about this bug since the first hour it was available. And its not just this one time, if you really follow him you'll see his reaction is always this way.

If the definition of deadbeat employee doesn't show a picture of this guy I'd be amazed. I say as I post this during working hours ;)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the guys above him have zero clue about marketing on the internet. Mr Bowling has some how convinced them that hes doing a good job... probably using the number of followers on twitter as a benchmark...
I hadn't seen these, but I love how even after things like this he still claims that he reads the official forums. The only time I've seen him on there since launch is when he tried to defend the poor sales of the PC version.

[Inzane]

@CoKra, I just like to take the time to welcome you to our little corner of the web. And WE here stand up and give you a Huzzah! for calling out Mr 402.

[Jomo]

Anyone see that he's claiming there will be an in depth Status Report of the game posted soon?

I'll believe it when I see it.

[SpunkyKuma]

There's a new sub section on IW's forums "MW2 status updates", we'll wait and see.

[EhkoXC]

There's a new sub section on IW's forums "MW2 status updates", we'll wait and see.
If only there was another way to tell users what's contained in the patch when you release it besides forcing them to go to your website...

[Redfyre]

There's a new sub section on IW's forums "MW2 status updates", we'll wait and see.

At least they are "planning" on organizing their forums for once.

If only there was another way to tell users what's contained in the patch when you release it besides forcing them to go to your website...
You mean like... like... The Steam "update news"!?!?!?

[EhkoXC]

You mean like... like... The Steam "update news"!?!?!?
Nah, that's too radical, no one would think of using that.

[Redfyre]

Modern Warfare 2 is not balanced for publishing "Update News"

[EhkoXC]

Modern Warfare 2 is not balanced for publishing "Update News"
Well, it is when they can force you to their website to collect ad revenue from it.

[Redfyre]

Well, it is when they can force you to their website to collect ad revenue from it.

And even still you search and search and only find one thread of "update news" only providing information about "patch 1.06" with no information mentioning PC, only Xbox and PS3 fixes.

[tepescovir]

Respect to CoKra for taking a stand, hopefully others will follow your example

[Kobra]

it was all but a figment of your imagination...

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=215868


Funny thing was spoke to an xbox player today, took the smile off his face when he found out he had the unlimited ammo 'virus'

[CircularLogic]

Hehe, delete it all and start a fresh, locked topic.

Exactly Mr. Bowling's style.

[kami790]

1.) Don't respond to any concerns of the community and/or try to sugar coat it horribly.
2.) When you do respond make sure to insult the person being responded to and give them the bird.
3.) Profit

Congratulations you are now a community moderator.

[Whippy]

See, the thing is that the people that "feel" left out or that they are being "ignored" are incorrect from my perspective. IW released THEIR game THEIR way. Its not like IW forced anyone to buy this game.
We all knew that there would be no PC dedicated servers, even if it was announced only a few weeks in advance. it gave everyone well enough time to cancel pre-orders.
IT is not OUR game to play the way we want. Its IW's game, for us to play by their guidelines. If its not the game you want, return it. If you can't return it TOO BAD. Should have listened to the thousands of screaming gamers. IW owes the community NOTHING. Not a single thing. If you did not expect glitches right off the bat, you again must not play many new pc games. I cannot think of any games that Ive ever played new that did not need a multitude of patches and time to get "right". What is right however is each users perception. I remember Diablo II. Everyone hated the 1.09 patch. Then they hated the 1.10 patch etc.

You all have made your "desires" known. I hope for the sake of a laugh that they never ever give dedicated servers. You don't deserve it. All you do is complain and point fingers. As much as you all complain, I wonder why you even still post here seeing how all your "requests" (most of which I can say sure look like forum trolling) go unanswered.

[CircularLogic]

See, the thing is that the people that "feel" left out or that they are being "ignored" are incorrect from my perspective. IW released THEIR game THEIR way. Its not like IW forced anyone to buy this game.
We all knew that there would be no PC dedicated servers, even if it was announced only a few weeks in advance. it gave everyone well enough time to cancel pre-orders.
IT is not OUR game to play the way we want. Its IW's game, for us to play by their guidelines. If its not the game you want, return it. If you can't return it TOO BAD. Should have listened to the thousands of screaming gamers. IW owes the community NOTHING. Not a single thing. If you did not expect glitches right off the bat, you again must not play many new pc games. I cannot think of any games that Ive ever played new that did not need a multitude of patches and time to get "right". What is right however is each users perception. I remember Diablo II. Everyone hated the 1.09 patch. Then they hated the 1.10 patch etc.

You all have made your "desires" known. I hope for the sake of a laugh that they never ever give dedicated servers. You don't deserve it. All you do is complain and point fingers. As much as you all complain, I wonder why you even still post here seeing how all your "requests" (most of which I can say sure look like forum trolling) go unanswered.

Not only are you wrong but you are also a plague on the PC gaming community. Your shallow understanding of the customer/business relationship is the reason why we've been delivered ♥♥♥♥ on a platter.

[Redfyre]

See, the thing is that the people that "feel" left out or that they are being "ignored" are incorrect from my perspective. IW released THEIR game THEIR way. Its not like IW forced anyone to buy this game.
We all knew that there would be no PC dedicated servers, even if it was announced only a few weeks in advance. it gave everyone well enough time to cancel pre-orders.
IT is not OUR game to play the way we want. Its IW's game, for us to play by their guidelines. If its not the game you want, return it. If you can't return it TOO BAD. Should have listened to the thousands of screaming gamers. IW owes the community NOTHING. Not a single thing. If you did not expect glitches right off the bat, you again must not play many new pc games. I cannot think of any games that Ive ever played new that did not need a multitude of patches and time to get "right". What is right however is each users perception. I remember Diablo II. Everyone hated the 1.09 patch. Then they hated the 1.10 patch etc.

You all have made your "desires" known. I hope for the sake of a laugh that they never ever give dedicated servers. You don't deserve it. All you do is complain and point fingers. As much as you all complain, I wonder why you even still post here seeing how all your "requests" (most of which I can say sure look like forum trolling) go unanswered.

Do you like IWNet?
If the answer to that question is yes for you. My response to you is:
PCs are not consoles.

They all have different specs and the same system of multi-player will never work properly for both platforms.
Consoles have hardware that is all similar and there is no difference between set-ups making it consistent, unlike PC.

The fact that most of all PCs are unique already make "trying" to implement the same system as used on a consistent system like a console a flawed tactic.
As it will never work the same on any one PC.

IF your answer is no than you already know everything that I just said and are educated.

[streaky]

Love the irony that even the xbox'ers are attacking him now.

Btw some guy above said some irrelevent BS about IW made their product their way, and if you don't like it lump it or some ♥♥♥♥.

Which is true but for the fact they promised us it wouldn't be this ♥♥♥♥ty, and also - the game is so buggy now it's just plain not fit for purpose.

[LEDkid]

You all have made your "desires" known. I hope for the sake of a laugh that they never ever give dedicated servers. You don't deserve it. All you do is complain and point fingers. As much as you all complain, I wonder why you even still post here seeing how all your "requests" (most of which I can say sure look like forum trolling) go unanswered.

This is far beyond the idea of just dedicated servers. This is about poor business/consumer relationships or public relations. And as for not owing the community anything, you are dead wrong. CoD STARTED as a PC exclusive, WE bought it WE made it as popular as it is today and I'd venture a guess and say MW2 would not have sold NEAR as much as it did if it were not for MW1's popularity.

Btw, your post looks more like trolling than any of ours have.

Have a nice day.

[mrwoo]

@Whippy

Yes, it is thier game, and you are correct, we did buy it. I can't argue that at all. If they choose to keep it just the way it is, then yes indeed, it is thier right to do so and really the consumer has no right to expect it to change.

However, you also failed to mention a few facts that are rather important ones in this particular case.

A. There is a certain amount of 'construed' false advertisement. Your argument is based on the presumption that 'everyone' who bought the game was in the information circle. That is just not possible.

B. The said false advertisements, including but not limited to specifically the hacking/cheating and better experience with IWNet are primary examples of why the consumer should expect to see what they bought exists. Yes, even those who knew there would be no dedicated servers expect the remaining promises to be filled.

C. The rather over stated BALANCE that this game was supposed to bring is also a high concern of people. In actuality, on the PC platform, there is no balance. This is one of the most unbalanced games I can recall. I am not talking about whether gun A vs. gun B is fair, but more in terms of the advantages IWNet does not give you in having a balanced game play.

But I must, on principle, agree with you. They do own the intellectual rights to this software title, and consumers have not factual rights, other than expecting advertised features to actually exist and work.

Now, everyone knows that there exist precious few applications that do not have bugs/glitches. There are far too many events that the devs would never account for. This I believe is acceptable to most people. Many, myself included, shake our heads at the state of some releases. Beta versions it seems are what we get sometimes.

Now, please bear in mind, that if you expect to own the rights to a game, and do not expect the consumer to have any rights whatsoever, you are also expected to present a product that is complete. Nowhere do you read in the documentation that it is expected for your computer to BSOD, or the installation to fail, or a glitch to be present that allows a form of cheating.

Whippy, you sound like a logical person. I am sure you can agree that while we consumer have no legal claims, the manufacturer is required to provide a product that is working as claimed. And that is exactly the demise of MW2 thus far IMHO. They have ignored the honest requests for information and for fixing issues found that make the game not what it should be. Not what someone WANTS it to be, but what it SHOULD be.

I expect that for a software title to escape the requirements to patch (aka FIX) issues they must state before hand that this is beta software and any/all bugs/glitches are not going to be fixed unless they desire to do so.

And one last thing, since it cannot be guaranteed that I read information on this game, but only saw an advertisement and the packaging, the option of returning a game that does not meet its advertised requirements should be allowed. And if it is not allowed, then my voice should be heard by the manufacturer, else they themselves should refund my money.

I get what you are eluding to, but I feel it is not as clear cut as you would imagine it to be. You may well speak the truth legally, but on other grounds it would seem otherwise.

mrwoo.

[CircularLogic]

For ♥♥♥♥s and giggles...

Matchmaking & Smoother Gameplay: When you want to player a multiplayer game on PC, in the past. You’d have to scroll through a Server Browser which listed every available server which was hosted by individual server admins. Each had their own private rules, mods, or ways of playing the game. Most players would also use the server browser to find just the best quality game (based on PING). With IWNET matchmaking, it takes all that into account for you. All you have to do is select the playlist (pre-set gametypes with custom rules) that fits the style of play you are in the mood for. When you do, it will automatically find you a game with the best performance, ping, and preferences based on your location and individual connection as well as matching you with players of your same SKILL. So you’re always guaranteed the best game performance for where you are and what connection you’re playing on as well as an equal game with other players of your same skill level, not rank, but skill level. It doesn’t mean you’ll just be thrown into a random game! It will put you in the game that will give you the smoothest gameplay possible without you having to manually find a server with the best ping.

Playlists and Private Matches: As I described above, Playlists are pre-set game modes and gametypes for public games. If you just want to jump into a public game of Search and Destroy or Hardcore Search and Destroy and you don’t care about fully customizing it, then you can utilize playlists to do that quickly for you. However, say you’re in a clan and you want to play a Clan match with another team, or you want to practice for an upcoming tournament that has specific rules in a private game. Then you can start a Private Match (which is essentially like running your own private server) where you have complete control over the rules, who can join, boot players you don’t want, and essentially control the entire game or tweak it to your liking. Once the rules are set, you can invite the other team in or just start it up with your clan to practice with the custom rules before the match. This now allows you to play custom games out of the box without the need to install mods, find a modded server with the rules you like, or worry about not being in control of the match.

Party System and Friendslist: Modern Warfare 2 on PC also makes it much easier if you want to party up with your friends, or again, with your clan for a match. You can utilize the friendslist to see when your friends are online, and invite them to your Party. A Party allows you to move from game to game as a group. It’s great for clan matches, because you can party of with your clan and move from public game to public game together. Or if you’re doing a scrim, party up and invite the other clan (who is in a party) and they’ll all join at once. Set up a private match together and play. It makes setting up scrims or games with friends easier and hassle free.

Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.

All in all, IWNET adds a load of new features that the PC version of our games have never had before and allows us an infrastructure to continue to update and improve on the game post-launch.

[mrwoo]

@CircularLogic

A fine example of what they claim. Also a fine example of just why as a consumer I can expect them to rectify the situation that is not performing as advertised.

This one topic you posted gives me the right to expect a refund or for the problems to be fixed. Well, me and some thousands of others who experience the same lack of these features advertised.

mrwoo.

[Whups]

@CircularLogic

A fine example of what they claim. Also a fine example of just why as a consumer I can expect them to rectify the situation that is not performing as advertised.

This one topic you posted gives me the right to expect a refund or for the problems to be fixed. Well, me and some thousands of others who experience the same lack of these features advertised.

mrwoo.

Only lack of features that were advertised was the console and screenshot which isn't available sadly.

They did say no mod tools and dedi's before the release. (Then again they said they'll be introducing mod tools again soon)

I do feel there was a huge lack of communication from the beginning though. Still is in a way. 402's barely posting on twitter today so hopefully he'll get his updates ♥♥♥♥ on the forum worked out.

Do you like IWNet?
If the answer to that question is yes for you. My response to you is:
PCs are not consoles.
I like IWNet, I don't like listen servers. I mean personally from using IWNet my team (yes my team) was introduced to a whole new skill level on the internet then just finding a server you like and hoping new people come. Brought me to find new people to play with/against. One good out of the whole thing I've encountered with IWNet

@CL - new system which needs to be tweak until it works out it's only been introduced to the world only a month after and the tests they did didn't have a wide variety of locations that could make the system top notch [which a beta could of been in placed to fix early issues]

The hack free asset, if you really thought this game would of been hack free then I don't know how you can call yourself a pc gamer.

[Redfyre]

I like IWNet, I don't like listen servers. I mean personally from using IWNet my team (yes my team) was introduced to a whole new skill level on the internet then just finding a server you like and hoping new people come. Brought me to find new people to play with/against. One good out of the whole thing I've encountered with IWNet

I'm confused, what do you mean by a whole new skill level?

I have a couple clan-mates from the old Modern Warfare(1) days that bought Modern Warfare 2 telling me that everyone in the game has absolutely no skill and it is so easy to kill people that it gets boring.
Quote:
"Everyone is a noob."

We were a team that liked a challenge and if it was too easy we just goofed around until we died.

[Whups]

I'm confused, what do you mean by a whole new skill level?

I have a couple clan-mates from the old Modern Warfare(1) days that bought Modern Warfare 2 telling me that everyone in the game has absolutely no skill and it is so easy to kill people that it gets boring.
Quote:
"Everyone is a noob."

I met people who are amazing at the game, and came from previous types of gaming styles. I got few cod4 servers I go to, not that many amazing people on it. I've met more skilled cod4 players on mw2 then I have on mw1.

@Bold - I know a few people who said the same thing, then I rocked him in a pub.

[Redfyre]

I met people who are amazing at the game, and came from previous types of gaming styles. I got few cod4 servers I go to, not that many amazing people on it. I've met more skilled cod4 players on mw2 then I have on mw1.

If you have trouble finding people to join your team.

1. Join a server.
2. Show the people on the server that you are a team that can work well together(pub-stomp).
3. Ask others who did well against your pub-stomp if they would like to join your team.

Another good tactic:
1. Join FFA.
2. Own FFA.
3. Ask the runner-up to join your team.

Another tip:
Do not mistake skill for imbalance.

@Bold - I know a few people who said the same thing, then I rocked him in a pub.
Read above.
Game is imbalanced.
Skill does not exist in this environment.

[Whups]

If you have trouble finding people to join your team.

1. Join a server.
2. Show the people on the server that you are a team that can work well together(pub-stomp).
3. Ask others who did well against your pub-stomp if they would like to join your team.

Good tipssss.


Another good tactic:
1. Join FFA.
2. Own FFA.
3. Ask the runner-up to join your team.

Lol FFA


Another tip:
Do not mistake skill for imbalance.

I don't, like I said, I've met amazing cod4 teams that play mw2. (PS..: That's from scrimming #mw2scrim :))

[CircularLogic]

@CL - new system which needs to be tweak until it works out it's only been introduced to the world only a month after and the tests they did didn't have a wide variety of locations that could make the system top notch [which a beta could of been in placed to fix early issues]

You mean IWnet? This new system works terribly because it relies on a commercial WAN that already isn't keeping up with technology. The telecoms struggle to keep up with ambitious infrastructure overhauls that cost them millions only to find that they are years behind the curve still.

You've got streaming video and media that is overtaxing their lines. To compete with other telecoms they artificially inflate their bandwidth/price ratios which effectively oversubscribes their lines (meaning they can't provide the bandwidth they promise to all users at once) which increases network contention.

It is silly to assume that IWnet could succeed anywhere in the near future because of this. The software engineers (you call them game developers) who all have college degrees and probably have years of experience should have realize that IWnet wouldn't work before they ever got started.

[Whups]

You mean IWnet? This new system works terribly because it relies on a commercial WAN that already isn't keeping up with technology. The telecoms struggle to keep up with ambitious infrastructure overhauls that cost them millions only to find that they are years behind the curve still.

You've got streaming video and media that is overtaxing their lines. To compete with other telecoms they artificially inflate their bandwidth/price ratios which effectively oversubscribes their lines (meaning they can't provide the bandwidth they promise to all users at once) which increases network contention.

It is silly to assume that IWnet could succeed anywhere in the near future because of this. The software engineers (you call them game developers) who all have college degrees and probably have years of experience should have realize that IWnet wouldn't work before they ever got started.

I agree, and time will tell. I still like the idea of IWNet, but the approach failed.

[Redfyre]

Yes. Let us give them another 5 years to get even further behind.

In other words:
If you are expecting to see any improvement within the next 5 years with IWnet, it just simply won't happen.

[Whups]

Yes. Let us give them another 2 years to get even further behind.

lol why do you even post.

I should of said "and time will show"

[Redfyre]

I changed my numbers around to confuse you greatly.

[Whups]

I changed my numbers around to confuse you greatly.

It is silly to assume that IWnet could succeed anywhere in the near future because of this. The software engineers (you call them game developers) who all have college degrees and probably have years of experience should have realize that IWnet wouldn't work before they ever got started.

All your doing is rephrasing what someone else said. If you want to contribute :), say something else.

[Redfyre]

All your doing is rephrasing what someone else said. If you want to contribute :), say something else.

If 5 years is the "near future" in the computer science world to you, you need to get out of the 1980's.
He should have said "succeed in general"

[Whups]

If 5 years is the "near future" in the computer science world to you, you need to get out of the 1980's.

I like this guy he's funny.

*Cough* Ipod 2001 *cough* Ipod Touch 2007 *cough* Good rough 5-6 years. Of how technology can evolve.

I feel for you though in trying to get a already stated point across.

[Redfyre]

I like this guy he's funny.

Thank brahski. I try.

[streaky]

To compete with other telecoms they artificially inflate their bandwidth/price ratios which effectively oversubscribes their lines

Because bandwidth is cheaper the more you use, wholesale, this isn't the problem..

The problem is between you and the exchange where in 99% of the world you're dealing with technology invented in the 1950's.

This isn't set to change basically anywhere. Even places like here where you have the likes of BT promising all kinds of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crap you're only even going to see fibre to the cabinet.

Which is kind of absurd because FTTH should have been rolled out everywhere in the mid-80's, and failing that towards the end of the 90's.. If it's not been done somewhere yet, like say here in the UK - the companies are pulling a scam, it gets worse when they're doing it with the blessing of governments, again, like here.

But yeah this is all a long way of saying this game doesn't work in most places. The networks just aren't built for it.. Which is where dedis on the fat parts of the internet at POPs come in useful.

Doing games like this, this way, is like trying to force an elephant through a straw. You can say you don't notice the lag all week but you should see some of the ♥♥♥♥ they've pulled to get it to work - at all.

[Namelesshero]

the IW forums are filled with trolls, idiots and more trolls. I would stay away from that crappy forum too if I could, but maybe a mod like 402 should know better, but really, it's also the users fault for acting the way they do.

Are you a member of those forums? well i am, and he has'nt answered anything the pc community had concerns about for more than 1 or more months.

But he pops in to comment on some dumbass thread about COD4 making more money than MW2, to whhere he reply's, actually MW2 had made far more than COD4 did in the first week.

He can pop in to reply to that dumb ♥♥♥♥? but he could'nt answer/reply to the real concerns people had about the game for months before, and he has'nt replied since.

The only reason the forums are like that is because he's never there.
He does'nt even reply on the 360/ps3 section of the forums now, now they know what the pc community was talking about, now they know how we felt.

Also, i don't care how bad the forums get, he gets paid to mannage those forums, not to manage twitter, his title is COMMUNITY MANAGER.

Long story short, he has not done his job.

[CircularLogic]

I like this guy he's funny.

*Cough* Ipod 2001 *cough* Ipod Touch 2007 *cough* Good rough 5-6 years. Of how technology can evolve.

I feel for you though in trying to get a already stated point across.

You missed the mark (on accident I'm hoping). IW has no control over the technology in question here... as the entire global Internet is to blame. They aren't going to work around this because home users connect into the access layer of the network where datacenters hosting dedicated servers are distribution or even core connected with gigantic fat pipes to transmit over.

Because bandwidth is cheaper the more you use, wholesale, this isn't the problem..

The problem is between you and the exchange where in 99% of the world you're dealing with technology invented in the 1950's.

This isn't set to change basically anywhere. Even places like here where you have the likes of BT promising all kinds of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crap you're only even going to see fibre to the cabinet.

Which is kind of absurd because FTTH should have been rolled out everywhere in the mid-80's, and failing that towards the end of the 90's.. If it's not been done somewhere yet, like say here in the UK - the companies are pulling a scam, it gets worse when they're doing it with the blessing of governments, again, like here.

But yeah this is all a long way of saying this game doesn't work in most places. The networks just aren't built for it.. Which is where dedis on the fat parts of the internet at POPs come in useful.

Doing games like this, this way, is like trying to force an elephant through a straw. You can say you don't notice the lag all week but you should see some of the ♥♥♥♥ they've pulled to get it to work - at all.

I like you; let's have nerd babies.

[Whups]

You missed the mark (on accident I'm hoping). IW has no control over the technology in question here... as the entire global Internet is to blame. They aren't going to work around this because home users connect into the access layer of the network where datacenters hosting dedicated servers are distribution or even core connected with gigantic fat pipes to transmit over.



I like you; let's have nerd babies.

I was just pointing out to that tard about how 5 years is in the near future and how technology can change, nothing regarding IW.

[CircularLogic]

I was just pointing out to that tard about how 5 years is in the near future and how technology can change, nothing regarding IW.

I was just pointing out that the amount of content that is ready to be transferred in 5 years is going to further outstrip the infrastructure (the internet as you know it) meaning that conditions will only worsen.

[EhkoXC]

Are you a member of those forums? well i am, and he has'nt answered anything the pc community had concerns about for more than 1 or more months.

But he pops in to comment on some dumbass thread about COD4 making more money than MW2, to whhere he reply's, actually MW2 had made far more than COD4 did in the first week.

He can pop in to reply to that dumb ♥♥♥♥? but he could'nt answer/reply to the real concerns people had about the game for months before, and he has'nt replied since.

The only reason the forums are like that is because he's never there.
He does'nt even reply on the 360/ps3 section of the forums now, now they know what the pc community was talking about, now they know how we felt.

Also, i don't care how bad the forums get, he gets paid to mannage those forums, not to manage twitter, his title is COMMUNITY MANAGER.

Long story short, he has not done his job.
I remember that thread, and I remember him immediately getting called out by at least 10 different people (myself included), he promptly disappeared into the night after that post though. It all boils down to this, the man's job is to listen to and talk to the community, not jerk off on twitter all day long. He has done neither of these and only shows his face to the community to try and justify his own failings. The man just is not cut out for the job and needs to be fired, he is doing nothing but further tarnishing the reputation of a once great developer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting this all on his shoulders, they made most of the mistakes, but he is making it worse.

Edit: Also, streaky is exactly right. The technology for better, faster internet exists, but old outdated hardware is still being used due to the cost of upgrading the entire system. Consumer grade internet just isn't designed to handle this kind of load and will never be able to match the speed and reliability of less bandwidth intensive methods of gaming.

[Whups]

I was just pointing out that the amount of content that is ready to be transferred in 5 years is going to further outstrip the infrastructure (the internet as you know it) meaning that conditions will only worsen.

Yeah I agree.

[Redfyre]

I was just pointing out to that tard about how 5 years is in the near future and how technology can change, nothing regarding IW.

I was relating the 5 years in question directly to the internet not when and how Apple makes their products.

EDIT:
Actually you know what?
I give up. Whups winz.

I have had a long day and need a break from confrontation.

[EhkoXC]

You do realize Whups that there is a big difference between Apple ♥♥♥♥ting out a new iPod every 5 years and the entire infrastructure of the internet being updated, right? The technology for it already exists, but it is costly and takes a long time to put into place.

[ahmoudy]

this topic still lives? what are we rambling about now?

[Redfyre]

Whups thinking that IWnet can be improved(edit: in a reasonable time-frame).
I am just a spectator now so I can see him be ripped apart.

[Whups]

Whups thinking that IWnet can be improved(in a reasonable time-frame).
I am just a spectator now so I can see him be ripped apart.

Lol, guys amazing at trying to attack people.

I said: "I like IWNet, met a bunch of people compared to the amount I met in MW1", "It needs tweaks" (yeah regardless of how much it fails, and again it's only been out a month i'd rather it get fixed then keep it in the current state - a system like this can only improve can't really dig a bigger hole) "Time will tell when the system fails" (Yeah reply to CL)

[Redfyre]

The system has already failed. It failed when it was released.

'Nuff said.

Also I was responding to "ahmoudy".
Not "attacking" anyone.

[Namelesshero]

IWNET is horrible, theres no community.

[Whups]

The system has already failed. It failed when it was released.

'Nuff said.

Oh this quote of me goes perfect for this reply:

I feel for you though in trying to get an already stated point across.

[EhkoXC]

Lol, guys amazing at trying to attack people.

I said: "I like IWNet, met a bunch of people compared to the amount I met in MW1", "It needs tweaks" (yeah regardless of how much it fails, and again it's only been out a month i'd rather it get fixed then keep it in the current state - a system like this can only improve can't really dig a bigger hole) "Time will tell when the system fails" (Yeah reply to CL)
Sure, it can be tweaked and minor improvements can be made. However, the best it can ever hope to be is on the same level as the PS3 and 360, which still falls below the level of other PC games. Consumer grade internet just isn't designed to handle this, it's as simple as that.

[Redfyre]

Oh this quote of me goes perfect for this reply:

You just quoted in the previous reply:
Time will tell when the system fails

It has already failed.
Stop trying to defend the system that just simply does not work effectively.

[ahmoudy]

well, althought It would be a lot easier to just get dedis, I think IWNet can be improved on a few points. Doubt they'd do it but, I think they should expand private games, and introduce filters. Private games would then be rebranded to non-ranked games, and people can customize their games the way they see fit, but expand it to more than just their friends, we can search for non-ranked games based on a few filters (since IW's excuse is they don't want to add too much to split the community appart, w/e)

Search Filters would include basic filters such as max Ping/Bars, max players, map, gametype, HC or not, and region, all also including the option of "Any" so that you can focus on one filter and be matched with random games which fit that Filter. This is already crap we know, but this is something I'm working on putting in writing to the "creative strategist" 402, and emailing his butt for small hope. IMO this would greatly improve the system and give us a bunch of options in playing the game.

I also think a lot of the playlists go unplayed on Ranked, such as 3rd person GTs which usually only have about 300 max ppl in them. These can go to unranked, and we can add much needed GTs such as HC FFA and HC CTF.

Another option is rotating Gametypes on an x amount of time basis, where unpopular gametypes can be exchange with other unpopular game types occasionally, especially new gametypes which the community can formulate, ie, VIP, that nuke game they had on the disc, blablabla

[Kobra]

The problem is Whups that no one can comprehend your reasoning or relate to you. Anyone who believes IWNet is or will be better than dedicated servers..

Maybe do a bit more research before spouting nonsensical...

Anyways offtrack, please please anyone who has any interest in the shambles, skip these threads. Read:

http://www.modernwarfail2.com/

On a sidenote it is interesting, the fanboi attitute from the console gamers is dying down, they are getting a realisation now that the ps3 has rank hacks and xbox unlimited ammo virus.

[CircularLogic]

well, althought It would be a lot easier to just get dedis, I think IWNet can be improved on a few points. Doubt they'd do it but, I think they should expand private games, and introduce filters. Private games would then be rebranded to non-ranked games, and people can customize their games the way they see fit, but expand it to more than just their friends, we can search for non-ranked games based on a few filters (since IW's excuse is they don't want to add too much to split the community appart, w/e)

Search Filters would include basic filters such as max Ping/Bars, max players, map, gametype, HC or not, and region, all also including the option of "Any" so that you can focus on one filter and be matched with random games which fit that Filter. This is already crap we know, but this is something I'm working on putting in writing to the "creative strategist" 402, and emailing his butt for small hope. IMO this would greatly improve the system and give us a bunch of options in playing the game.

I also think a lot of the playlists go unplayed on Ranked, such as 3rd person GTs which usually only have about 300 max ppl in them. These can go to unranked, and we can add much needed GTs such as HC FFA and HC CTF.

Another option is rotating Gametypes on an x amount of time basis, where unpopular gametypes can be exchange with other unpopular game types occasionally, especially new gametypes which the community can formulate, ie, VIP, that nuke game they had on the disc, blablabla

And what would you propose to fix the ♥♥♥♥ty internet connection that most hosts have? Let me help; there is no fix for it as it is an inherent and insurmountable flaw in their design. An amateur design, I should add.

[ahmoudy]

I have to agree with Whups on this though,

the system sucks, we know, but for some strange reason demanding dedis isn't working, so it wouldn't hurt to give them feedback to make IWnet a little better than it already is, a lot of people are playing it now, so it can't get any worse, but it can get better, although it will still be a crappy system

[Redfyre]

Knowing what Infinity Ward has done to this game so far.
Trust me it can certainly get worse.
For example:
In 2 years, do you honestly think they will still allow those who bought Modern Warfare 2 to use IWnet when they release Modern Warfare 3?

[ahmoudy]

And what would you propose to fix the ♥♥♥♥ty internet connection that most hosts have? Let me help; there is no fix for it as it is an inherent and insurmountable flaw in their design. An amateur design, I should add.well there is nothing you can do about that, but ppl are playing this game aren't they? so why not introduce features that can expand the game, and with private match customization going over to the public side, some guy can make a playlist, host a bunch of people, and like ranked, IWnet would pick the best host... how hard is that? The design sucks, but it's what we're getting right now. I'm also speaking from a "i paid 60$ and want to try to get a better game" percpective not a "I want reasons to justify buying this game" perspective,

[Whups]

The problem is Whups that no one can comprehend your reasoning or relate to you. Anyone who believes IWNet is or will be better than dedicated servers..

Maybe do a bit more research before spouting nonsensical...

Anyways offtrack, please please anyone who has any interest in the shambles, skip these threads. Read:

http://www.modernwarfail2.com/

On a sidenote it is interesting, the fanboi attitute from the console gamers is dying down, they are getting a realisation now that the ps3 has rank hacks and xbox unlimited ammo virus.

Oh I never said IWNet was better then dedi's (Scrimming isn't the same :)).

In a nut shell: We got a system, some people has adapted (most don't like it), it's dug its self a hole so deep that it can't get any worse. Now we can continue to bash how terrible it is or how we can get some ideas in the eyes of IW to make it better [like what some people said while back: update the system to work like left for dead 2 and we can keep the same system], or we can keep bashing it until there is no more. Is IWNet better then dedi's? ♥♥♥♥ no. It only can improve from here though.

If no point gets across: Accept, Adapt, Continue to play the game as it was built, Wait for a new game to come out or Move On and go back to previous games you've played.

It's a simple process.

[Kobra]

Wouldn't hurt to give them feedback...

Twitter baby

http://twitter.com/fourzerotwo/status/6664519600

Community response

http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/11/16/warning-to-potential-customers/


Now imagine typing that list into 140 characters, the joy

[iGaming | Chaos]

I do think a contructive "let's somehow improve the functionality of what we're stuck with" approach is better than the continual "I want dedi's nao" approach, although in the end both could prove to be utter wastes of time.

[ahmoudy]

This game wans't forced on anyone Redfyre, I will approach MW3 with a grain of salt if MW2 stays the same. I know they'll probably add an EA sports system where support for a title is omitted once a new version comes out, but that's not something I'm thinking about atm, like I said, I want to look at this game right now, and see what they can do to make it better, because if they don't, I definitly will not be buying a new cod title as the series would be dead to me. When MW3 comes out, and this crap is still the same crap and not polished off crap, then I will change my name to Redfyre Jr. and complain on here with you.

[Whups]

I do think a contructive "let's somehow improve the functionality of what we're stuck with" approach is better than the continual "I want dedi's nao" approach, although in the end both could prove to be utter wastes of time.

I fully agree +rep.

[LEDkid]

I do think a contructive "let's somehow improve the functionality of what we're stuck with" approach is better than the continual "I want dedi's nao" approach, although in the end both 'are' an utter waste of time.

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[Kobra]

"of what we're stuck with"

But do you not question why you are stuck.. does common sense not prevail

[CircularLogic]

"of what we're stuck with"

But do you not question why you are stuck.. does common sense not prevail

They are trying to make themselves feel better about getting dicked.

Hard.

[iGaming | Chaos]

"of what we're stuck with"

But do you not question why you are stuck.. does common sense not prevail

Of course I do.

I can't understand the reasoning behind IW's decision, and I probably never will, but that's besides the point really.

They could say anything (like all the bs we heard pre-launch) in trying to justify their decision, but in the end, what difference does it make to the gaming quality?

What it comes down to is making the best out of a sub-par situation.

[ahmoudy]

"of what we're stuck with"

But do you not question why you are stuck.. does common sense not prevailwe're stuck because we bought it

I know it may be hard for some to understand this, but you are not entitled for anything, this sense of entitlement of oh we're the cod community you HAVE to please us isn't working with a company which is looking to reap the most profit out of its consumers, the only way you can overthrow a system like this is with your wallet, sadly though, crying about it isn't going to do much, so we want this to be fixed a little as going back to dedis clearly isn't an option.

You are not forced to buy MW2. Common sense isn't demanding change for something you didn't buy, but common sense states that you are compelled to ask for improvement on something you did buy.

[CircularLogic]

we're stuck because we bought it

I know it may be hard for some to understand this, but you are not entitled for anything, this sense of entitlement of oh we're the cod community you HAVE to please us isn't working with a company which is looking to reap the most profit out of its consumers, the only way you can overthrow a system like this is with your wallet, sadly though, crying about it isn't going to do much, so we want this to be fixed a little as going back to dedis clearly isn't an option.

You are not forced to buy MW2. Common sense isn't demanding change for something you didn't buy, but common sense states that you are compelled to ask for improvement on something you did buy.

Actually crying about it... and turning this and the official forums into a cesspool of negativity goes a long way towards OTHER people not buying this game or their next.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

[Kobra]

May I just ask though. Would you have purchased the game with hindsight. Would you have wanted a beta and do you believe if implimented, responsed to feedback. Would there be such a backlash?

[iGaming | Chaos]

They are trying to make themselves feel better about getting dicked.

Hard.

Unlike some, I knew what I was in for when I bought the game, and living in Oz with our terrible internet, I fully expected to get ♥♥♥♥♥ but I thought it would be worth a shot as I enjoyed MW1 so much.

Turns out i'm still having a ♥♥♥♥load of fun, still able to find good games no matter what time of day it is (played three different HC game modes after 3am this morning), and i'm having almost zero issues.

I don't have to make myself feel better, I feel fine about my purchase and the amount of enjoyment i'm getting out of the game.

[Redfyre]

"ahmoudy" I will see you in a year when this system receives no support from Infinity Ward.

[LEDkid]

I can't understand the reasoning behind IW's decision, and I probably never will, but that's besides the point really.

Oh, oh I understand their reasoning!:D:D ->$$<-

With a system like IWnet guess what, we have to pay for DLC :o. The whole point of something like IWnet is to make more money and lock down a game that was perfectly fine before (speaking of MW1 here;)).

[Kobra]

http://oolamoola.mxmdev.com/wp-content/uploads/makedomend_item027.jpg

[BurtonJ]

and turning this and the official forums into a cesspool of negativity
Constructive criticism, positive or negative, is a great thing and very beneficial.

However, if your goal is to turn our forums into a "cesspool of negativity," well, that doesn't sound very constructive and I advise that you take that plan elsewhere because we won't tolerate that here.

[iGaming | Chaos]

May I just ask though. Would you have purchased the game with hindsight. Would you have wanted a beta and do you believe if implimented, responsed to feedback. Would there be such a backlash?

A public beta would of been nice, but that's one of the decisions I can actually understand (although I obviously don't agree with it). If they had of had a public beta - I tend to believe any company that does have a public beta has the best interests of the consumer in mind when they make that decision and therefore would respond to feedback.

Having said that I think it's pretty obvious why IW didn't have a public beta.

In hindsight - as I said above, I have no problems with the decision I made to buy the game.

[iGaming | Chaos]

Oh, oh I understand their reasoning!:D:D ->$$<-

With a system like IWnet guess what, we have to pay for DLC :o. The whole point of something like IWnet is to make more money and lock down a game that was perfectly fine before (speaking of MW1 here;)).

With the game using Steam we would have to pay for DLC anyway.

[CircularLogic]

Constructive criticism, positive or negative, is a great thing and very beneficial.

However, if your goal is to turn our forums into a "cesspool of negativity," well, that doesn't sound very constructive and I advise that you take that plan elsewhere because we won't tolerate that here.

I don't have to try... or make any effort to this effect. Infinity Ward is doing it to themselves... I thought that much was obvious. Their poor game design speaks for itself... all the negative threads about cheating, poor performance, and lack of options is their own doing--not mine.

[Whups]

May I just ask though. Would you have purchased the game with hindsight. Would you have wanted a beta and do you believe if implimented, responsed to feedback. Would there be such a backlash?

I actually bought the game 2-3 days before the release after I was informed about the official way the system runs.

Hell yeah a beta would of been a plus. If they added what should of been there no we wouldn't be here. Common sense.

Like Chaos said: Regardless of the down end I still have my ounces of fun and I still haven't touched the SP yet going on 200+ hours of MP soon too.

[ahmoudy]

Sure it does Circular, but you're only hampering their willingness to listen to you in the future. If you set an example that you will treat a company like crap if they don't do exactly what they want, what company will which to serve you? Sure a company is going to jump in a profit on another companies wasted target audience but the cycle will continue.

A company is always open to firing a customer, if it makes little profit in the end. And when other companies see that the potential of profit is less substantial in PC gaming, who'd want to make develop to a community like this?

[Redfyre]

Constructive criticism, positive or negative, is a great thing and very beneficial.

However, if your goal is to turn our forums into a "cesspool of negativity," well, that doesn't sound very constructive and I advise that you take that plan elsewhere because we won't tolerate that here.

Good thing the Steam forums have standards.
If only that is the way it was over at the Infinity Ward forums.

[LEDkid]

With the game using Steam we would have to pay for DLC anyway.

Right because TF2 is payed DLC right?:rolleyes:

[iGaming | Chaos]

Right because TF2 is payed DLC right?:rolleyes:

No, that's not what I meant.

I was talking about using Steam as a mandatory launcher, it would be fairly difficult to apply pirated DLC to the game in this instance.