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ghostreporting

02-20-2010, 03:19 PM

There is no SDK, easy as that.

AvP is (sadly) mostly sold to consolers, I hope they will have time to make one for us pc-gamers within the next half year, like L4D.

...Uh then how did they develop the game if there is no SDK?

There is always an SDK.

Insano-Man

02-20-2010, 03:20 PM

We're not getting an SDK anytime soon.

But if enough of us whine, yell, kick, and scream, we might get one in the future.

So, start making demands. I'm sure we all want this.

Thechuz

02-20-2010, 03:27 PM

We need, NEED! Space station maps!

nearly all the maps are predator based!

Mokkat

02-20-2010, 03:29 PM

...Uh then how did they develop the game if there is no SDK?

There is always an SDK.

They have made a set of tools and made a game with it yes, but that doesnt mean that the tools dont need some serious work before being ready to be released to the public

ghostreporting

02-20-2010, 03:38 PM

They have made a set of tools and made a game with it yes, but that doesnt mean that the tools dont need some serious work before being ready to be released to the public

-_- Have you ever worked with an SDK?

enablerbr

02-20-2010, 05:14 PM

i hope Rebellion do release a SDK. i've taken the gamble and just bought this. my main reason for not buying F.E.A.R. 2 was lack of a SDK. so hopefully this purchase hasn't been a waste. i'm not that big a fan of MP these days. so a SDK could give me more play time with SP maps etc.

any offical DLC will no doubt focus only on MP maps or maybe new MP game modes. which will have no use for me.

Wolfrip_Sixshot

02-20-2010, 06:13 PM

/signed

Mod tools = 9.9/10 game

Vogerl

02-20-2010, 06:15 PM

yay SDK!

looking forward to downloading an ACTUAL marine campaign from you guys, not the demo/tutorial that they fitted onto the MP.

3Form

02-20-2010, 06:20 PM

Yeah mod tools would be amazing, ingenious maps and new campaigns!

Freyar

02-20-2010, 06:31 PM

SDK Kit?

Software Development Kit Kit?

Vogerl

02-20-2010, 06:38 PM

SDK Kit?

Software Development Kit Kit?

pointing out typos is not THAT constructive in my opinion, tbh.

@topic: thought about it a bit,... do you guys really think there will be enough smart people that are also motivated enough to produce useful files?

Hell Hound

02-20-2010, 06:48 PM

Oh there will be.

Vedren

02-20-2010, 07:01 PM

There is no SDK, easy as that.

AvP is (sadly) mostly sold to consolers, I hope they will have time to make one for us pc-gamers within the next half year, like L4D.

Nah it's getting some bad reviews from console mags and sites because it was made for PC then just ported over to consoles which by what I've read makes the controls ect.. very sloppy on the consoles.

Vladplaya

02-20-2010, 07:02 PM

We need SDK really bad for sure. But the sad thing is that Rebellion is waiting for people to buy the game and decide if it is worth to make SDK for it, while People are waiting for Rebellion to release the SDK so they can know that the game will not just die out and it is worth buying.... And to me it looks like Rebellion should make the first move :\

Hell Hound

02-20-2010, 07:10 PM

Well unless someone feels like decrypting .asr and .gui files ... As for maps? No clue yet ...

Freyar

02-20-2010, 07:11 PM

pointing out typos is not THAT constructive in my opinion, tbh.

@topic: thought about it a bit,... do you guys really think there will be enough smart people that are also motivated enough to produce useful files?

I was more amused than anything else. Either way though, the SDK would be nice, but judging from current affairs, I wouldn't expect to see it.

squidward

02-20-2010, 07:15 PM

at some point the SDK would be good, there are some awesomely talented mappers out there, and the maps for this game show some scary potential in places... but come on.....

have some farking patience its been out for like 4 days for cripes sake

thank you for listening

;)

Vladplaya

02-20-2010, 07:18 PM

If there will be no SDK, this game WILL fail. Also good thing I never bought it at the release. They might make people buy Dedeciated servers and extra stuff in there next DLC, which Might be worth it... and if not then, waiting for Steam $9.99 sale hehe

HeadStrikeR

02-20-2010, 07:27 PM

Ain't gonna happen, stay realistic guys. When they give the community the SDK, they won't be able to sell their crappy DLCs.

Hell Hound

02-20-2010, 07:28 PM

Then one should start decrypting files if looking at it from that point of view?

ghostreporting

02-20-2010, 07:31 PM

Ain't gonna happen, stay realistic guys. When they give the community the SDK, they won't be able to sell their crappy DLCs.

The PC market works differently. They will sell more copies of the game if the consumers know their will be a rich and thriving online community. We know the community will thrive if the SDK, dedicated servers and mods are available.

DLC vs this concept pretty much makes DLC negligible. Now the PC community very much loves to purchase 'expansion packs', but developers have forgotten what those are.

PC gamers do not like vanilla. Especially the breed of AvP loving PC gamers.

tekn0mega

02-20-2010, 07:35 PM

If I was king for a day, I would demand all games release SDK's for ever.

The sollution: Make me king of the world, for a day.

ZeroRawr

02-20-2010, 07:40 PM

What they should do is release DLC in forms of expansion packs and not ones that add like an hour of gameplay. I'm talking like a good sized campaign perhaps a little shorter than current AvP's campaign due to space issues and GOOD maps with VARIETY. If they do this then an SDK would work. If I'm not mistaken didn't Bethesda do this with Oblivion and Fallout 3?

Vedren

02-20-2010, 07:50 PM

More so with Fallout 3 as Oblivions DLC's were crap. They sold F3 DLC's while the construction set was available to users and most of the fanbase/sales for Bethesda's games come from the modding community, they buy them because they know they will be able to mod them and that (like morrowind) well more than 10years after release the community will still be thriving.

ZeroRawr

02-20-2010, 08:04 PM

I see, well I pray Rebellion will wise up to this idea and do so.

Sifer2

02-20-2010, 08:08 PM

I doubt they will. Not if they are already considering a sequel. That's the first sign that your developer will provide only the bare minimum of support to the game an will then hastily jump ship. I guess we will see how it goes but I think this game is very likely doomed. At least I wont be buying the sequel if it turns out this is what they plan to pull.

Wolfrip_Sixshot

02-20-2010, 08:10 PM

domingo_g

02-20-2010, 08:11 PM

second

I wanna make the Compound map from AvP2-PH cause that was the map that the clan I am in used 24/7 and everybody loved it

Compound was alright... Better off with Verloc or Aruga. ♥♥♥♥, I'll take Quarantine over compound.

AvP3 MP maps suck. They need to stick to their roots with the colony feel of LV-426. All this jungle ♥♥♥♥ is lame. The pyramid is just a cluster f* of a map. Need the old map makers of AvP2 to get on the scene here and show rebellion how it's done.

skullman86

02-20-2010, 08:23 PM

Ain't gonna happen, stay realistic guys. When they give the community the SDK, they won't be able to sell their crappy DLCs.

That sounds about right (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTifdoKXoxM&NR=1)

homers

02-20-2010, 08:29 PM

Quarantine.... best map ever!!! Compound and Auriga also are good maps!!
Hope to see sdk released.

Revengous

02-20-2010, 08:58 PM

dont want to kill the thread but, no mod tools for us

http://games.on.net/article/7823/AvP_will_get_a_demo_but_no_mod_tools/

dat1337vet

02-20-2010, 08:59 PM

an SDK would be great tbqh

ZeroRawr

02-20-2010, 09:01 PM

dont want to kill the thread but, no mod tools for us

http://games.on.net/article/7823/AvP_will_get_a_demo_but_no_mod_tools/

Did you even read how old that is? I'm sure with the number of sales they've gotten by now they can afford to release it...

Wolfrip_Sixshot

02-20-2010, 09:02 PM

dont want to kill the thread but, no mod tools for us

http://games.on.net/article/7823/AvP_will_get_a_demo_but_no_mod_tools/

Never say never.

Maybe if we tell em we will pay for mod tools?

ZeroRawr

02-20-2010, 09:03 PM

Never say never.

Maybe if we tell em we will pay for mod tools?

Honestly I would pay as long as it was included in an expansion pack... not just some crappy map pack or whatever though.

NuKehl2

02-20-2010, 09:05 PM

There is no SDK, easy as that.

AvP is (sadly) mostly sold to consolers, I hope they will have time to make one for us pc-gamers within the next half year, like L4D.

They already announced SDK will be available on DLC

aliensvspredator.net

Revengous

02-20-2010, 09:22 PM

would you like to provide a valid link?

Esta

02-20-2010, 09:51 PM

skarik

02-20-2010, 10:27 PM

@Revengous
Bummer at that article.

However, you may support the movement:
http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?p=5596621#post5596621

Although I don't own a PS3 or 360, I need some map creation for ALL consoles.

dremond

02-21-2010, 02:37 AM

Please sign the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/dediavp3/

deadparrot

02-21-2010, 08:04 PM

i doubt we will get a sdk, just like we wont get working dedicated servers anytime soon. They cant sell us dlc if we can make better for free. This is why I hate the dlc concept.

dat1337vet

03-05-2010, 12:09 AM

need sdk

humberto

03-05-2010, 12:17 AM

need sdk

yes but we will never get it :mad:

ightenhill

03-05-2010, 12:33 AM

Sega - SDK - 2010 = incompatible business plann (sell DLC and a half arsed sequel)

SquareTriangle

03-05-2010, 07:00 AM

Sega - SDK - 2010 = incompatible business plann (sell DLC and a half arsed sequel)

An SDK isnt actually bad for business. It means that more people will like the game because they can create their own content, it doesnt actually stop them from releasing DLC (l4d2?), but does give them more time to develop whatever they want because the modders will presumably be fixing stuff themeselves off their own back anyway. I mean AvP gold was going for years because of the SDK.

Edit: oh yeah .....DAMMIT REBELLION JUST GIVE US THE FREAKIN SDK!!!!!!!

Denton22

03-05-2010, 07:32 AM

SDK SDK SDK!!!

Vladplaya

03-05-2010, 08:04 AM

@topic: thought about it a bit,... do you guys really think there will be enough smart people that are also motivated enough to produce useful files?

I have no doubt about that. AvP is nearly Perfect choice for modding and mapping. With three races there are endless options and possibilities!

Count me in at least on the map making.

PS: And at this point, if SEGA wants to show its greed and go as far as SELLING the SDK and map editor. I honestly won't have a problem with that, I'd pay say 20 bucks to make the game better for everyone. But that's just one the side and silly note, as I doubt it will ever go that far. They rather move on and make another half as*ed game than bother with this entire SDK idea at all...

Pizzaguy

03-05-2010, 08:30 AM

I predict DLC (some free, some not. mostly skins and maps), and an expansion. THEN maybe a sequel. An expansion would make more sense, though.

abort_user

03-05-2010, 08:47 AM

we need an SDK. we need to be vocal about it so that they know we want it. giving up and saying itll never happen doesnt help. you dont know if you dont try. if they see theres enough demand for an SDK they would be fools not to give us one. and speaking frankly if they make a sequel without releasing an SDK i will not be buying it.

fawk3s

03-05-2010, 09:13 AM

WE NEEEEED SDK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ightenhill

03-05-2010, 10:56 AM

no point being vocal on forums..you need to attack the HQ

oracletriplex

03-05-2010, 11:03 AM

They have made a set of tools and made a game with it yes, but that doesnt mean that the tools dont need some serious work before being ready to be released to the public

Exactly. Most or probably all of the tools are probably proprietary to Rebellion's studios. The ones that aren't probably cost in the thousands of dollars and are licensed.

Remember that by the time that AvP2 came out the Lithtech engine already had a suite of custom built tools for Blood and Nolf. They were already established. Rebellion is going to have to make a set of utilities for the community probably from scratch. Not only is that expensive but it costs valuable development time. Plus they have to make sure that gamers don't get any proprietary code that they aren't supposed that would compromise the engine.

QuantumBear

03-05-2010, 12:32 PM

Good story so far!
/signed

Mod tools = 9.9/10 game
I can completely see this.

have some farking patience its been out for like 4 days for cripes sake

Doesn't have the same impact as it did when it was posted, but still completely true.
Going off of the linked article from Jan 11, no form of an SDK was in the works pre-release, even plans for one.
Assuming that they must have started work on it post-release, give em a break. But if they haven't started on it yet (its possible they have 'there were a lot of things we wanted to do but just didn't have the time'), its time to get goin.

If there will be no SDK, this game WILL fail. Also good thing I never bought it at the release. They might make people buy Dedeciated servers and extra stuff in there next DLC, which Might be worth it... and if not then, waiting for Steam $9.99 sale hehe
Almost touched on a good point...

I feel at this point that tacking on an SDK to a DLC pack of of say 6 skins and 4 maps is good reason to bump up the price
For example, I feel like a pack like that is worth 10-15$.

no point being vocal on forums..you need to attack the HQ
Ba BAM. Extremely pertinent. If you really want an SDK, sign the petition, then write unique well-thought-out and considerate e-mails from as many separate addresses as you can to rebellion about it.

humberto

03-05-2010, 12:46 PM

rebellion has NEVER released SDK in the past decade for any of their games...

they released it for the last 1999 AVP, so its not like they dont know how, they just dont want to

QuantumBear

03-05-2010, 01:01 PM

rebellion has NEVER released SDK in the past decade for any of their games...

they released it for the last 1999 AVP, so its not like they dont know how, they just dont want to

And what games between then and now of theirs are deserving of an SDK...

I mean just about all of them except rogue warrior (come on, its rogue warrior, ♥♥♥♥in horrible) were on PSP. A couple on PS2.

oracletriplex

03-05-2010, 01:15 PM

Well unless someone feels like decrypting .asr and .gui files ... As for maps? No clue yet ...

As I already pointed out in another thread. .ASR files can already be decrypted using DragonUnpacker\HyperRipper. But its usefulness is limited.

solidus90

03-05-2010, 01:37 PM

There is no SDK, easy as that.

there should be considering if i read correctly it uses unreal 3 engine.

Enders_Army

03-05-2010, 01:40 PM

/signed.

One of the biggest reasons I get ANY PC game as apposed to getting it on console is for the hopes of great MOD's.

-Ender

humberto

03-05-2010, 02:34 PM

/signed.

One of the biggest reasons I get ANY PC game as apposed to getting it on console is for the hopes of great MOD's.

-Ender

yes, and it was known months ahead of time that they would NEVER support map editors or mods..

dat1337vet

03-09-2010, 08:33 PM

bump

rebellion read these forums

deadparrot

03-09-2010, 09:02 PM

Good story so far!

I can completely see this.

Doesn't have the same impact as it did when it was posted, but still completely true.
Going off of the linked article from Jan 11, no form of an SDK was in the works pre-release, even plans for one.
Assuming that they must have started work on it post-release, give em a break. But if they haven't started on it yet (its possible they have 'there were a lot of things we wanted to do but just didn't have the time'), its time to get goin.

Almost touched on a good point...

I feel at this point that tacking on an SDK to a DLC pack of of say 6 skins and 4 maps is good reason to bump up the price
For example, I feel like a pack like that is worth 10-15$.

Ba BAM. Extremely pertinent. If you really want an SDK, sign the petition, then write unique well-thought-out and considerate e-mails from as many separate addresses as you can to rebellion about it.
Rebellion could offer the second coming of jesus christ as dlc and I wouldn't pay them a single cent. Stop trying to negotiate with your slave master. You throwing them more money will not motivate them to change their metaphorical ♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ways.
You just need to get up from your computer, open your window, and shout "im mad as hell and im not gonna take it anymore"

Griker

03-10-2010, 01:11 AM

Not releasing SDK was there biggest mistake

Trullius

03-10-2010, 01:23 AM

and maybe film making too?

I mean come on, if you could take away the hud, and noclip, and take videos, you could make one of the best machinimas out there

The Unbeholden

11-19-2010, 08:31 AM

I agree this game needs it. If the developers want to forget this game, they can, but before doing so at least release the SDK.

gizmo198127

11-19-2010, 10:08 AM

not gonna happen, so deal with it.

the asura engine ( which is what this game is made with ) is an in house development kit made by rebellion For rebellion.

do any of you really think that in the age of DLC's that a developer such as rebellion would release a kit in order for us to make our own content and risk not milking us for more DLC's?

you are all naive.

xenokiller217

11-19-2010, 11:20 AM

But here's the thing...they would have made so much more money if they allowed us to make mods. Far more than they ever could have hoped to with just dlc alone.

Pretty soon Rebellion is gonna have to do what Domino's pizza did. Unless they start making huge changes, they may as well go out of business if they're going to keep dishing out this crap.