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arose1980
02-22-2010, 03:34 PM
So Assassins Creed 2 is up for pre purchase and as expected it requires a 24-7 high speed connection.

A PERMANENT HIGH SPEED INTERNET CONNECTION AND CREATION OF A UBISOFT ACCOUNT ARE REQUIRED TO PLAY THIS VIDEO GAME AT ALL TIMES AND TO UNLOCK EXCLUSIVE CONTENT. SUCH CONTENT MAY ONLY BE UNLOCKED ONE SINGLE TIME WITH A UNIQUE KEY. YOU MUST BE AT LEAST 13 TO CREATE A UBISOFT ACCOUNT WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT http://assassinscreed.com

State your concerns here and let it be known that you will not purchase Ubi games on Steam as long as they include this new type of DRM.

Aura891
02-22-2010, 03:36 PM
I see no problem here

arose1980
02-22-2010, 03:39 PM
I see no problem here

You're kidding right? You don't see a problem with single player being seen as an online feature which they can cancel at any time as long as they give you 30 days of notice? The fact that you have to be connected to play a single player game? The fact that if their servers go down your game stops in mid play? You are kidding right?

bRownies_21
02-22-2010, 03:43 PM
Its all a scam

Aura891
02-22-2010, 03:44 PM
You're kidding right? You don't see a problem with single player being seen as an online feature which they can cancel at any time as long as they give you 30 days of notice? The fact that you have to be connected to play a single player game? The fact that if their servers go down your game stops in mid play? You are kidding right?

no, i'm not kidding you, because i live in a day in age where my computer is never disconnected from the internet, all the lan parties have high speed internet, and there's absolutely no reason for my PC to ever be disconnected from the internet

When on, i don't believe my PC has been disconnected from the internet for any more then a minute for the last 3-4 years

So does this bother me? no, i really don't care, honestly, i'm more mad about Assassins Creed 2 costing 60 dollars instead of 50 then i am about this "problem" you bring up which is no problem, for me.

Guess i just live in the modern world.

netbozo
02-22-2010, 03:45 PM
The problem is that if your connection gets interrupted while playing a game, it dumps you out and you have to start back at last checkpoint when your connection comes back. How stupid is that? No more UBI for me either in the future.
(my computer is connected 24/7, but my connection does have problems once in a while)

...netbozo :-(

arose1980
02-22-2010, 03:46 PM
no, i'm not kidding you, because i live in a day in age where my computer is never disconnected from the internet, all the lan parties have high speed internet, and there's absolutely no reason for my PC to ever be disconnected from the internet

When on, i don't believe my PC has been disconnected from the internet for any more then a minute for the last 3-4 years

Guess i just live in the modern world.

Well I suppose I don't live in a modern world then, even though I am always on my iPhone, my PC is on 24-7 and always connected to the web. But guess what, sometimes Ubi's servers WILL go down. Sometimes IP's WILL have disturbances. Steam offers an offline mode, Ubi doesn't. This isn't a multiplayer game but a single player one. There is no excuse for this.

Aura891
02-22-2010, 03:48 PM
Well I suppose I don't live in a modern world then, even though I am always on my iPhone, my PC is on 24-7 and always connected to the web. But guess what, sometimes Ubi's servers WILL go down. Sometimes IP's WILL have disturbances. Steam offers an offline mode, Ubi doesn't. This isn't a multiplayer game but a single player one. There is no excuse for this.

I'm just stating what i feel about this subject, and i do not care about it, it will not bother me, i do however believe in the end it will fail and they will stop what they are doing, however, if they don't, i still won't care, as again, i'm more irritated at the fact that it's 60 dollars, instead of 50

wingers17
02-22-2010, 04:09 PM
Ubisoft is High, they need to stop smoking the wacky weed. I bought Assassins Creed 2 for PS3 for my daughter, while I accept paying $60 dollars for a PS3 game, (I can't stand the fact that companies are trying to bring PC game prices in line with consoles, Thanks a lot MW2 buyers.) I will never accept it for PC, especially since the game isn't that great. IF I ever buy this game it will be when on sale and probably not even then.

Aesir Rising
02-22-2010, 04:13 PM
Hey there, Aura (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/member.php?u=666728), it's not just concern about the players' PCs losing 'net access. There are plenty of ways you can lose connections to the Ubisoft servers, including problems on Ubisoft's side, and everything between your PC and Ubisoft. And the PCs of all the other players and Ubisoft. And, oh, guess what? There are problems on Ubisoft's side.

But don't take my word for it. Tell the folks at Rock, Paper, Shotgun (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/) how you live in a day and age where you never lose connectivity. While your at it, let Ubisoft know how you manage to accomplish this feat of extraordinary derring-do, because they apparently need the help. Oh, and please, ask the Ubisoft people if you can host the validation servers when they take them offline at some point in the future - invariably at some point a year or more from now when you want to revisit the game. Because you won't be able to play it otherwise.

JGS92692
02-22-2010, 05:07 PM
I loved this game on the 360 and heard about the DLC and was like "Awesome, more content!" so I figured that I would wait until it became available for the PC and then earlier today I learned about the Pre-Order and HUGE $60 Price tag. I also read on a gaming site about the Internet thing, and I don't think it will be that big of a deal at first, but if this game is as popular as I think it will be for the new multi player mode to be added, those servers will probably be OVERLOADED! with all of the people causing not just multi player to work, but single player as well, as this also will require an active internet connection.

I understand that this is a measure to reduce piracy, but this just makes actual paying customers angry and wont buy from that company again, and clever praters (they are out there :eek: ) will just find a way to break this mechanic just bypassing this step entirely. So I hope Ubisoft realises there eror and fixes this problem soon (and that Steam has a special once it is releaced! ;) )!!!

Aura891
02-22-2010, 11:39 PM
Hey there, Aura (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/member.php?u=666728), it's not just concern about the players' PCs losing 'net access. There are plenty of ways you can lose connections to the Ubisoft servers, including problems on Ubisoft's side, and everything between your PC and Ubisoft. And the PCs of all the other players and Ubisoft. And, oh, guess what? There are problems on Ubisoft's side.

But don't take my word for it. Tell the folks at Rock, Paper, Shotgun (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/) how you live in a day and age where you never lose connectivity. While your at it, let Ubisoft know how you manage to accomplish this feat of extraordinary derring-do, because they apparently need the help. Oh, and please, ask the Ubisoft people if you can host the validation servers when they take them offline at some point in the future - invariably at some point a year or more from now when you want to revisit the game. Because you won't be able to play it otherwise.

I understand everything you just said, and i understand and never said contrary to what you said, as i said, i can lose internet connection, my less then 1 minute while on says that right there, and i know there can be problems with ubisoft aswell, look at steam, it goes offline or has connection problems all the time (though in all honesty steam will always have a bigger userbase then ubisofts activation)

But as i said, and i'll say it again, i just don't care, as it won't affect me, my problem with ubisoft currently, is their pricing of AC2, and only that

SquareWheel
02-23-2010, 04:28 AM
Goodbye Ubisoft, it was nice knowing you.

iXenomorph
02-23-2010, 04:38 AM
Hey UBIsoft, SUCK MY E-PEEN!

Coolspyboy
02-23-2010, 07:26 AM
So losing your connection for even a second would dump you back to the main menu, causing you to lose your save progress? I honestly have never heard of any perfect ISP that has yet to ever encounter any networking problems. It's just not possible. Even routine maintenance would bring it down. It's not the fact you require a reliable internet connection; reliable just isn't good enough. You need a perfect internet connection. Either it doesn't exist, or it's prohibitively expensive. Regardless of what you seem to think, Aura, this will affect you.

Toto pectore
02-23-2010, 08:54 AM
Wi-fi? Bye bye!

in.meinem.turm.
02-23-2010, 10:25 AM
I see no problem here

I don't see any problem either.

You're kidding right? You don't see a problem with single player being seen as an online feature which they can cancel at any time as long as they give you 30 days of notice? The fact that you have to be connected to play a single player game? The fact that if their servers go down your game stops in mid play? You are kidding right?
As I said. No Problem here.

Aura891
02-23-2010, 01:03 PM
Regardless of what you seem to think, Aura, this will affect you.

actually, contrary to your "beliefs", it will not.

djuara
02-24-2010, 09:08 PM
Count me out as a potential customer if Ubisoft doesn't remove this DRM. I buy games on Steam on average 3-4 per month and none of it will be Ubisoft title.

milkweg
02-25-2010, 12:03 AM
Guess i just live in the modern world.

Would that be the same modern world full of hackers/crackers/hijackers and security breaches. If you leave your PC connected to the internet permanently then you are a fool. Hackers just love fools that leave their PC connected 24/7 and it is people like you that they target.

I am also boycotting all Ubisoft games, that includes on my PS3 too.

Aura891
02-25-2010, 12:32 AM
Would that be the same modern world full of hackers/crackers/hijackers and security breaches. If you leave your PC connected to the internet permanently then you are a fool. Hackers just love fools that leave their PC connected 24/7 and it is people like you that they target.

I am also boycotting all Ubisoft games, that includes on my PS3 too.

last time i had a virus was when i was on windows 98, thanks anyways though for trying.

The only people who get hacked, get viruses, etc. are the people who don't know how to protect their computers. I, unlike apparently you, am not one of those people.

CrimIam
02-25-2010, 02:47 PM
I was just checking out Silent Hunter 5 thinking it looked great. Then I saw the DRM again.
What UBI doesn't understand is not everyone has a constant connection to the internet. How is Dial up going to work with this? My brother can't get anything else.
I just don't like DRM, never mind the fact we are getting our games through Steam to start with. If Steam isn't good enough DRM then why do they even sell games through Steam?

I agree with a lot of people that if I buy a single player game I shouldn't have to be hooked to the net or be treated like this. I have close to 40 games from Steam. I'd have a lot more if it wasn't for DRM.

Diloon
02-25-2010, 03:35 PM
Steam is the only DRM I will ever accept. The $60 price tag is ridiculous as well.

Enjoy the PC version tanking, Ubisoft.

milkweg
02-26-2010, 03:34 AM
last time i had a virus was when i was on windows 98, thanks anyways though for trying.

The only people who get hacked, get viruses, etc. are the people who don't know how to protect their computers. I, unlike apparently you, am not one of those people.

Yea, sure, you are so smart you leave your PC connected 24/7 to the internet and think you can actually stop a hacker with your consumer solution when billion dollar companies with pro quality solutions can't even stop them. Even the U.S. military has been hacked in the past.

Marsbergen
02-26-2010, 05:20 AM
Then I guess it boils down to whether or not your computer possesses any info that is worth a ****.

MysticT
02-26-2010, 09:31 AM
last time i had a virus was when i was on windows 98, thanks anyways though for trying.

The only people who get hacked, get viruses, etc. are the people who don't know how to protect their computers. I, unlike apparently you, am not one of those people.

You know what? It doesn't matter whether or not you have any foresight, as long as the 60 dollar price tag is enough to prevent you from buying this game, you're helping our cause. It's just a shame that in this modern world, people are still as ignorant as ever.

Aura891
02-26-2010, 01:40 PM
Yea, sure, you are so smart you leave your PC connected 24/7 to the internet and think you can actually stop a hacker with your consumer solution when billion dollar companies with pro quality solutions can't even stop them. Even the U.S. military has been hacked in the past.

Oh, i'm not saying that if someone wanted to hack my computer they couldn't, i'm saying they don't, there's nothing important on my computer, nor would anyone want to, viruses, however, do not get on my computer, as that's way too easy to prevent

Then I guess it boils down to whether or not your computer possesses any info that is worth a ****.

Exactly, and my computer is not that important.

You know what? It doesn't matter whether or not you have any foresight, as long as the 60 dollar price tag is enough to prevent you from buying this game, you're helping our cause. It's just a shame that in this modern world, people are still as ignorant as ever.

I'm not ignorant, i just don't care for this kind of DRM, it does not bother me, steam, for instance, is almost just like it, it IS just like it actually for me, due to the fact i have never gone to offline mode before.

milkweg
02-26-2010, 07:08 PM
I have Docsys modem so don't even have to use the Steam offline mode to go offline. I just hit the standby button on my modem after I start the game and I am offline. I use that button every time I have no need for the internet too because it stops anyone from trying to hack my router password. If you don't have a Docsys modem you can buy a switch that sits between your router and modem that will do the same thing.

I don't get virii either and is not what my concern was. The longer you leave yourself connected to the internet the more time you give to hackers to break in. Doesn't matter if you have no info of worth anyway, I remember reading of a case of a guy in the UK who ended up in jail for a week because hackers had set up his PC to be a child porn server.

Friend of mine had his email hacked because he went out and left his PC on connected to the internet. And I had already warned him before not to make it so easy for them by doing that but he didn't listen to my warnings and paid for it.

Your game receipts go to your email so don't BS me and say you have no sensitive data stored on your PC. Just today I moved all my receipts to an offline HDD and deleted all the receipts from my email inbox for that reason. Anyway, my point is that Ubisoft is lowering your security by forcing an always on connection to play their games. That makes them negligent and I am betting is a reason that could be used against their DRM scheme in a court if anyone with money cares to challenge them.

pantsman523
03-14-2010, 03:03 AM
Fine Aura, so its not a big deal for you.

Some people (myself included) have laptops we use for gaming.

Constant internet connection? Even if there is wireless, Wi-Fi isnt exactly 100% stable

ICantShoot
03-14-2010, 06:20 AM
There is always someone like Aura and someone like the rest of us. It's always reasonable people versus fanbois. Nothing ever can change that. More of a point of view. Just that if stuff like this can get through in major scale, there is no return and everyone is screwed.

I'll give a comprehensive examples why this sucks.

1. You move from place to another. Found out that the internet isn't connected yet and it will take up to 2-3 weeks to get it done. Oops. No more games that use this DRM.

2. You take a laptop, decide to play on traintrip. Requires internet, no go on most trains and even if there were, wlan isn't the most stable thing on moving train.

3. You want to play but the master server that is required for playing is down due to network issues, malicious hacking or denian of service attacks - or something else. Oops again. (Note that this already happened atleast once).

Offline play is a *MUST* for every game, period.

Kooky
03-15-2010, 08:03 AM
This is quickly falling into a 'shut up it don't bother me' vs 'it should bother you' thread and I'm guessing will get locked if we don't stop it. If it doesn't bother you, thanks for your vote, move along as the rest of this thread won't be of real interest to you, staying is only going to be attempting to incite a riot or basically be trolling.

Now, back OT: I will however throw my vote in against Ubisoft. I was looking at Ruse, looked kind of interesting to be perfectly honest, but now that I saw it is going to be having the same Ubisoft DRM in place, I won't be purchasing it. I have an always on connection, but I am practicing my privilege of voting with my wallet, which is what people always suggest. I would have expected Ubisoft to have learned from EA with their tight DRM on Spore, and I believe it was one of the most pirated games to that point.

An alternative thought on this though is perhaps Ubisoft is trying to do some reverse psychology? Tell everyone it has this evil DRM, everyone will run out and pirate it on the PC, gets it in front of everyone's face, they play it and love it, then get their friends to buy it on consoles, resulting in profit to Ubisoft. Perhaps their PC development is going to become a loss leader? Face it, think of the press this is giving them.

ArlanKels
03-15-2010, 04:42 PM
I see no problem here

The real issue is that the company itself not only controls when you can play the game, but IF you ever will be able to play the game. All they have to do is shut down their servers, for "routine mainentance" and they can keep you from playing during certain times and days.

Why would they do this? Because they don't want to have to shell out thousands of dollars to maintain their server system, so while it's not on purpose it is kind of on purpose. Or rather, it's due to money-grubbing.

Aside from that issue, wherein the system will inherently grow more and more unstable and unreliable, there are already numerous problems with the system itself in the game.

If a player is connected with another player to the game then if one of their connections becomes "Fritzy" the entire game SLOWS DOWN to match the "Fritzy" connection, this is because the DRM recognizes the player is still connected and wants to play but it can't really play it because the system they have in place is VERY BAD.

Lastly if I want to play the game I can only do so when my power is running fine, my phonelines are fine and the weather outside isn't gone to hell(It does happen a lot).
I can't play it offline? I can't just hang out offline, not having to worry about possible viral downloads or hackers or something else?

Yeah...sorry, but what really set the game world up, what made stuff like Starcraft so damned popular was the fact that you could go "Hey Jon! This game is great, hey I'll show you at your house, lets go!"

I mean, starcraft was thrown around all over the place and made SUPER POPULAR due to that.

MasterOfTheTide
03-15-2010, 06:21 PM
Note: I realize I have posted this in another thread, but I wanted people that do not read that thread to have a chance to read my post.

It is really a sad situation us PC gamers have found ourselves in. On one hand I want to buy these games because I know I need to support my platform of choice, but on the other hand I cannot support game crippling DRM. I was gong to buy Settles 7 and Splinter Cell Conviction, but now I will not because of the draconian style DRM that has been put in place on all Ubisoft games.

The last Ubisoft game I bought was Dawn of Discovery Gold Edition and I absolutely love it. I suggested it to 2 of my friends and we are all enjoying it together. It is a shame that Usbisoft has this new DRM in place as it is the last game I will buy from them until the DRM is lifted.

Ubisoft has hurt me by taking the games away from me that I want to play, but will not support the DRM and has hurt themselves because they have most definitely lost any sales to me or my friends as I will rigorously defend my position of not supporting their DRM platform.

A sad time indeed.

:(

A little more:

On top of all this the gall publishers/developers have to raise the price of PC games during a world wide recession is absolutely ridiculous and tantamount to a slap in the face. Ubisoft is now the new EA and EA is working its hardest to win back the respect of the PC gamers and is doing a good job.

EA tried to control as much as they could and their sales really got hurt because people stood up for what they believed in and now it is time to stand up against Ubisoft.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 is a smash hit with no draconian style DRM and no price hike. Take a look at the lesson EA learned and get ready to learn a lesson Ubisoft.

Gamers will not tolerate being treated like this.

slayerking
03-16-2010, 12:05 AM
I see no problem hereOk so you decide to go camping one weekend and take your laptop with you so when everyone else is doing whatever you decide to kick back and play a game you own and guess what you can't because you have no connection and before you say it your in the middle of the bush there is no wireless crap that drops out every 5 seconds and disconnects you from your single player game.

There are a lot more scenarios but it all comes down to one thing, This DRM restricts legitimate users rights and ability to play the game when and where they want which is why money was exchanged for it.

I don't care if a game wants to check if the disc is there as I can play my game at any time. I do care about this DRM as I can't play my games anywhere any time and this is not acceptable.

ArlanKels
03-16-2010, 01:34 PM
Not only does it restrict legitimate players, Slayerking, but it does not stop pirates from pirating the games. They still do, and then play without the limits that are imposed upon the paying customers.

This encourages people to then turn to piracy, because they would rather have a pirated working version than a legitimate broken version.

sparta69
03-20-2010, 12:10 AM
No....here's the problem I think you all are missing. A company states that you need to have an active internet connection at all times to play their game ( even single player games ), you pay aproximately $50 to play it. The company then has every right to shut down their servers at any given time even if they do give the 30 day notice....well guess what? You just through away $50 and you will never get to play that single player mission again. But....guess what again?....you will pay another $40 - $50 for another game. And the complaints go on and on and on. Basically it's like this....if you want it to change do something about it...start a petion or something. Or stop buying and stop feeding the PIGS.

DrMatta
03-20-2010, 07:19 AM
Petitions don't help.
At all.

JGS92692
03-20-2010, 10:41 AM
Petitions don't help.
At all.
Unless of course the company actually cares... VALVe would definitely do something if we (the gamers and paying customers) wanted something changed that was really outrageous (Like maybe L4D3 Before HL2 EP3).
No....here's the problem I think you all are missing. A company states that you need to have an active internet connection at all times to play their game ( even single player games ), you pay aproximately $50 to play it. The company then has every right to shut down their servers at any given time even if they do give the 30 day notice....well guess what? You just through away $50 and you will never get to play that single player mission again. But....guess what again?....you will pay another $40 - $50 for another game. And the complaints go on and on and on. Basically it's like this....if you want it to change do something about it...start a petion or something. Or stop buying and stop feeding the PIGS.
Yes thats the whole problem, but If Ubisoft is dumb enough to actually say "Hey guys, we will let you buy that $50 game and you cant play it anymore in 30 days", they would loose all if not most of their actual paying customers. That would definitely suck for us but would also hurt Ubisoft's reputation as a gaming company even more than it already is most likely causing them to loose most of their profit and going into the red. This of course can be countered by random idiots actually buying the game, and many people have bought Assassins Creed 2 despite the price and excessive DRM.

Washell
03-20-2010, 05:41 PM
VALVe would definitely do something if we (the gamers and paying customers) wanted something changed that was really outrageous (Like maybe L4D3 Before HL2 EP3).

Yeah, the L4D2 uproar really changed things... in an alternate universe.

JGS92692
03-20-2010, 09:16 PM
Yeah, the L4D2 uproar really changed things... in an alternate universe.

They only did that because they had plans for the DLC, the passing, to bring the two together, they would not have done that otherwise.

Most other gaming companies usually don't care about a game as long as people buy it, VALVe actually cares about the player and makes sure that they are enjoying most of the game and tries to give them the best possible experience.

swarfega
03-21-2010, 03:37 AM
Feel lucky you even can play the games. SH5 and AC2 both got withdrawn from UK steam with no explanation whatsoever.

tripph
03-23-2010, 12:29 AM
Feel lucky you even can play the games. SH5 and AC2 both got withdrawn from UK steam with no explanation whatsoever.

So people shouldn't voice issues they have with DRM because we're lucky just to have it? I never can understand this kind of mindset. I don't feel lucky to have the option to purchase a game I know I would enjoy but has DRM that I refuse to support, so I won't, but I will voice my dislike of the DRM so they know why I am not purchasing their titles. The second it drops to ~$40 sans DRM I'll buy it, until then I won't feel "lucky" about AC2 or SH5.

swarfega
03-24-2010, 03:42 AM
I didnt say anything about not voicing issues. You have the OPTION to buy the game, I dont even have that.

Rebel44
03-26-2010, 10:06 AM
I didnt say anything about not voicing issues. You have the OPTION to buy the game, I dont even have that.

Complain to Ubi - it was their bussines decision.

flipperwhipper
05-01-2010, 08:38 AM
Complain to Ubi - it was their bussines decision.

The entire Ubisoft forum is now basically a complaint thread about the DRM. They don't seem to care.

So don't bother complaining just don't buy their games anymore. It's a shame because Ubisoft is a pretty good publisher IMO but...

ICantShoot
05-01-2010, 09:00 AM
Yeah, just don't buy any Ubisoft games in the future. Maybe they get the point that consumers don't want DRM crap in their games that might prevent the game playing whenever they want to play it.

The_Musician
06-27-2010, 08:49 PM
no, i'm not kidding you, because i live in a day in age where my computer is never disconnected from the internet, all the lan parties have high speed internet, and there's absolutely no reason for my PC to ever be disconnected from the internet

When on, i don't believe my PC has been disconnected from the internet for any more then a minute for the last 3-4 years

So does this bother me? no, i really don't care, honestly, i'm more mad about Assassins Creed 2 costing 60 dollars instead of 50 then i am about this "problem" you bring up which is no problem, for me.

Guess i just live in the modern world.

My connection is fine too, but that doesn't mean Ubisoft's connection is reliable. Their servers go up and down more than a hooker with bills to pay

Gvaz
06-28-2010, 08:10 PM
I'm not really interested in a game with a persistent online connection that isn't an mmo. Sorry.

SunriseDriver
06-29-2010, 02:23 AM
Ubisoft servers for ACII and PoP are working fine. You try first before whining on forums.

JGS92692
06-29-2010, 09:26 AM
Ubisoft servers for ACII and PoP are working fine. You try first before whining on forums.My connection is fine too, but that doesn't mean Ubisoft's connection is reliable. Their servers go up and down more than a hooker with bills to payWell I suppose I don't live in a modern world then, even though I am always on my iPhone, my PC is on 24-7 and always connected to the web. But guess what, sometimes Ubi's servers WILL go down. Sometimes IP's WILL have disturbances. Steam offers an offline mode, Ubi doesn't. This isn't a multiplayer game but a single player one. There is no excuse for this.
This thread has become more of a flame thread than a thread to express our feelings for this Crazy DRM. The reason some of us are so mad is the fact that Ubisoft put DRM in a single player game that doesn't have any multi player whatsoever (Thats what Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood is for) and that a constant internet connection is required to play a single player game. Yes, in this day and age we have reliable internet connections in the United States, but there are other less fortunate countries out there that don't have as reliable a connection and cant play due to loosing internet connectivity. Our anger comes from the fact that this DRM was a risky move on Ubisoft's part, but they still haven't even responded or attempt to remedy the situation. A total disregard of some happy consumers that have become upset by the DRM, and that is why we have lost respect for them as a gaming company and will no longer support them by purchasing future games.

zugu
06-30-2010, 04:15 AM
Unless of course the company actually cares... VALVe would definitely do something if we (the gamers and paying customers) wanted something changed that was really outrageous (Like maybe L4D3 Before HL2 EP3).Haha, oh wow, Valve listening to fans? You really are that naive (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770231).

g0bbybobby
06-30-2010, 06:08 AM
I will not buy any game with this kind of DRM but will continue to buy other Ubosoft games. I can't defend there desision to implement this kinda DRmas many have poineted out you cannot get a stable connection to there servers. Anything could go work along the way. Connection drop, isps get troubles, people crash into your telephone pole (yer it happened) and servers go offline.

JGS92692
06-30-2010, 11:39 AM
Haha, oh wow, Valve listening to fans? You really are that naive (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770231).
Fans? I never said anything about fans. I'm talking about the Paying Consumers and every day gamers that have a special place for Valve in their heart (they are out there somewhere...)
I have no knowledge of that field but I think that was probably more of an issue of international currency exchange rates, which Ubisoft's DRM is not affected by in any way.
As for Valve listening to the players, I will redirect you to: this post (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums//showthread.php?p=14713873) (although that was probably more of a marketing move to get more people to buy L4D2 ;))

Phileosophos
06-30-2010, 11:51 PM
Just to be clear, I've bought lots of Ubisoft titles in the past. All the Prince of Persia games, all the Tom Clancy games (Rainbow 6 series being a particular favorite), Brothers in Arms, Chessmaster, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Far Cry, The Elder Scrolls series--you name it, I pretty much bought it. But you won't get one more dime from me, Ubisoft, as long as you treat me as a criminal with your ridiculous new DRM. I won't buy the new Settlers 7, I won't buy the new Silent Hunter, I won't buy the new Prince of Persia, I won't buy the new Assassin's Creed 2, etc. As long as you employ this new DRM, all I have to say is **** you.

pete316
07-07-2010, 05:25 AM
no, i'm not kidding you, because i live in a day in age where my computer is never disconnected from the internet, all the lan parties have high speed internet, and there's absolutely no reason for my PC to ever be disconnected from the internet

When on, i don't believe my PC has been disconnected from the internet for any more then a minute for the last 3-4 years

So does this bother me? no, i really don't care, honestly, i'm more mad about Assassins Creed 2 costing 60 dollars instead of 50 then i am about this "problem" you bring up which is no problem, for me.

Guess i just live in the modern world.

I believe the point the original poster is making is because single player also requires interaction with the server if they at any point decide to pull support for the game you won't even be able to play it offline, regardless of what internet you have, because it requires their servers to let you play

Be aware this is not an alien concept it would be considered a snide business move to do this knowing people would have to purchase the next title to pursue their enjoyment of the genre and it is both a disturbing and realistic concept

p.s. people talking about prices.... there are differences for a reason, have you considered the cost difference between a standard xbox/ps3 and a gaming pc which runs at the same performance levels... thats why alot of the time ports from console to pc aren't ever as good, 2 titles that come to mind are the original metal gear solid 1 and ff7, both excellent games but remembered for the ps1, not the pc ports

yes a console game typically costs 50 usd+ at release but at least you know you are getting a truely finished product most of the time, pc releases are always followed by patches/fixes nomatter how expensive the game is

One final example would be the conversion of CSS to mac, because even today it is a hugely popular product and they could no doubt sell it for more than they are, the price reflects the smaller frequency of mac gamers to pc

Tantrix187
07-07-2010, 09:16 AM
Let's see, I have Beyond Good and Evil, SC 1 and 3, and the whole PoP trilogy. Oh, and Cold Fear and Might and Magic. I only bought AC because of a discount.

Yep, those are the only one games worth the buy. Avoid everything else.

Jito463
07-07-2010, 11:08 PM
@Phileosophos
Just FYI, The Elder Scrolls series are Bethesda, not Ubisoft.

RavN
07-08-2010, 12:13 AM
These are my reasons against Ubisoft DLC

1) Paying $60 for a game you dont technically own and is restricted by a company that makes decisions on "your behalf". Thats sort of like paying off your car payment and and having someone tell you it cant be driven at certain times. It would be like paying a morgage and having the company tell you that after five years someone can come and build a road right through it. The united states system has always been about personal property ownership. Since the country started, personal property has been defended by the government and states laws. Although computer games are on a small scale, its still goes against how most products are sold in the USA.

2) Even if you have a permanent and stable internet connection, you have to wonder exactly what the future will bring. Do you really want your games hanging on such a tenuous string? First of all, not everyone has permanent internet and most connections drop from time to time or even go down occasionally. Basically, everyone without broadband is screwed which is a surprising amount of people in the USA and many people in other countries. Also, the problem might not be on your end only, if the servers go down at Ubisoft then it wont matter how great your connection is and there will be nothing to do to fix it.

3) Why should anyone need to send information over the net to play a single player only game? Has Ubisoft forgotten that maybe people would choose a single player game because they dont have decent internet? Thats like getting a landline phone and then having the phone company call you up and say "screw you buddy, you need to get a cell phone monthly fee to use your landline" (Its just a bad allegory, but its the best I could think of).

4)There is no refunds or accountability for Ubisoft. They can cancel the server at anytime and no one gets any money back because you forfitted your rights as a consumer when you bought the game.

5) No one can make mods or change the game in anyway or your game will be killed by Ubisoft. My theory is that UBisoft is thinking about charging money for content that would otherwise be made by the community for free.

6)Limited installs. I dont disagree with this on principle but all games should come with a revoke program. So basically the way Ubisoft handles it is poor.

7) The future. What if other companies started to do this DRM? Big name PC gaming would literally die.

In summary, Ubisoft hates you and wants your money more than your satisfaction. Ubisoft is willing to kill the PC industry and suck the fun out of it if it means profits for them. Bottom line: You should stand up for your rights and send the message that you will support ubisoft if they change their ways and inact fair and non-invasive DLC that does not require constant online.

One more thing: Ubi, where is Heroes of Might and Magic VI, and can you not make it look like a cartoon this time? :)

Ultraspank
07-08-2010, 03:58 AM
I stopped caring about Ubisoft after trying to install and play the Settlers 7.. DEMO. What's with putting your ♥♥♥♥ty online 24/7 DRM bull♥♥♥♥ on a god damned DEMO?

Jito463
07-08-2010, 03:08 PM
@RavN
I agree with you on almost everything, but you made a mistake.

6)Limited installs. I dont disagree with this on principle but all games should come with a revoke program. So basically the way Ubisoft handles it is poor.

To the best of my knowledge, Ubisofts AODRM (always-online DRM) does not have limited installs/activations. Since you have to login in order to play, you can only be logged in with your account from one location at a time, but that's the only limit that I'm aware of.

RavN
07-09-2010, 08:04 PM
@RavN
I agree with you on almost everything, but you made a mistake.



To the best of my knowledge, Ubisofts AODRM (always-online DRM) does not have limited installs/activations. Since you have to login in order to play, you can only be logged in with your account from one location at a time, but that's the only limit that I'm aware of.

Yeah your absolutely right about that. Somehow, I got my facts mixed up in my head and said something that is blatently untrue. According to the ubisoft contract, you get to install a product as many times as you like as long as you log into your account. My appolagies to Ubisoft for that. Honestly, I think thats a very good system because I am not a huge fan of limited installs to begin with. I think it is important to be able to use a product as much as you want if you bought it and own it. I recently had the idea of having restrictions on the amount of installs you get in a time frame. For example, you get three installs max per week but no hard cap on an absolute number of installs. I think this is a good solution because it would be odd for a legitimate user to need to perform three installs in such a short period of time, but it would hinder the pirates and make it a pain in the ♥♥♥ to copy the program to sell.

One more thing I wanted to mention is that I am by no means anti-drm. In fact, being a legitimate user and one who cares about the fate of the pc games industry, I would be pleased if companies could come up with an elegant solution to online theft without penalizing the legitimate owners. If Ubisoft came up with a drm scheme that I did not find ethically wrong and bad business then I would be supporting them for it. As it stands I am hoping that by voicing my opinion I can be a much needed catalyst for change. That and I have nothing better to do with my time :)

SunriseDriver
07-12-2010, 12:07 AM
2. What if electricity goes down tomorrow? Or asteroid falls? Or smth else happens? Stop whining and play today while you can.
4. Ubisoft won't do it. And FYI Valve also can cancel all your Steam games one day (or today if your PayPal transaction gone wrong).
5. Is there're any mod for AC1 and PoP 1-4?
6. Unlimited installs and no need in revoking. Much much better than SecuROM.
7. Many companies assured they won't. But it's 2010s now. Internet very soon will be as stable as electricity.

Ultraspank
07-12-2010, 03:42 AM
2. What if electricity goes down tomorrow? Or asteroid falls? Or smth else happens? Stop whining and play today while you can.
4. Ubisoft won't do it. And FYI Valve also can cansel all your Steam games one day (or today if yoor PayPal transaction gone wrong).
5. Is there're any mod for AC1 and PoP 1-4?
6. Unlimited installs and no need in revoking. Much much better than SecuROM.
7. Many companies assured they won't. But it's 2010s now. Internet very soon will be as stable as electricity.

Oh please. Don't humour Ubisoft with their horrible DRM. It's not nice when you bend over like that.

4. Ubisoft won't do it. And FYI Valve also can cansel all your Steam games one day (or today if yoor PayPal transaction gone wrong).

Can you explain that Paypal bit to me? I don't think Valve can cut off your access to your entire steam account if you fail to pay for a game via Paypal...

Jito463
07-12-2010, 02:40 PM
Internet very soon will be as stable as electricity.

Ever heard of brown-outs? What about black-outs? Ever heard of line conditioners, to fix problems with bad power fluctuations? Even electricity isn't as stable as you'd like to believe, and neither is the internet.

rkbarth
07-15-2010, 08:23 PM
Petitions don't help.
At all.

Petitions don't, but fallen revenue do. Everyone who hates it, just stop buying their games, that's what I've done.

donzi
07-16-2010, 06:12 AM
Like many, I would like it much better if all games sold through steam were free of all but steam DRM but that's a pipe dream.

I originally figured I would use steam just for valve games. However, valve eased my mind about EOL steam DRM and I got lazy.. Between 2 accounts the count is nearly 500 games, many dupes for concurrent and LAN play. A majority are single player.

AFAIK all but EVE online will play if our flaky cablemodem broadband provider is fubar. Generally outage is no longer than a couple/few hours. I have to deal with it. I love|hate the internet. Lots of things hinge on it which is kind of scary.

This uPlay DRM though I can choose to use or not. I may be willing to consider any sort of uPlay DRM game play disruption in the same light as a windows or game crash and just move on to something else if need be for a little while.

If anyone knows of EOL commitment from ubisoft maybe you can post a link.

Without assurances that offline play of uPlay DRM games after game or server EOL I'm inclined to write off ubisoft.

The list of games I have not completed is numerous and spans years since their release. If I were to buy any uPlay game today there is possibility that it would take me a year or more to even start playing it. An EOL commitement from ubisoft would help extract my money they need/want now..

Without that I'll probably just let AC2 sit on my steam wishlist until I get bored of EVE and my long queue of other games winds down. I've been feeling guilty not finishing HL2 E2 and crysis yet. lol

Aesir Rising
07-16-2010, 09:20 AM
You can always Google for more information on Ubisoft verification server outages (http://www.google.com/search?q=ubisoft+verification+server+outage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a).

Clearly there is no problem. I have no idea what the fuss is all about.

donzi
07-16-2010, 01:53 PM
I've read most of what google could find about uPlay DRM. I may have missed it but saw nothing about EOL concerns.

Aesir Rising
07-16-2010, 01:59 PM
EOL isn't a feature of the DRM. It's a policy statement and it is in the agreement text, where it says stuff like (copypasta from the RUSE store page):

UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT http://ruse.us.ubi.com/

Once access to online features are terminated, so is access to the games that require an always-on connection to their servers. Those games won't work. Right, Ubi?

donzi
07-16-2010, 02:40 PM
I won't pretend to know the intricate details of the DRM but will say I'd be surprised if there wasn't the means to 'unlock' a uPlay game via their DRM server(s) if they wanted.

The surface tension of the whole deal suggests ubisoft is going into the game renting business yet the price doesn't match.

If they want to keep the price as such then they need to be the netflix of game rental gig and assure me that I can rent it for as long as I want.

arisaka
11-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Haha, oh wow, Valve listening to fans? You really are that naive (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770231).

Like how Valve updated CSS and HL2, porting them onto the OB engine, and the Portal updates that added achievements and such...the customers wanted, and Valve delivered. Most people don't update 6 year old games, especially 6 year old singleplayer games.

SunriseDriver
11-07-2010, 01:00 AM
Valve cares only about the money. If they would listen to real HL2 fans (not kids who just want stupid achievementzz), they'd release Episode 3.

arisaka
11-19-2010, 11:56 PM
Valve cares only about the money. If they would listen to real HL2 fans (not kids who just want stupid achievementzz), they'd release Episode 3.

Believe it or not, Valve does care about the players. Also, what the hell do you mean by kids who want stupid achievements? Do you mean TF2 players? And what is a real HL2 fan? And why wouldn't Valve release EP3? Besides, if Valve only cared about the $$, HL3 would already be out, Portal 2 would be out, and there would be no free DLC.

MistyMorning
11-27-2010, 09:37 AM
last time i had a virus was when i was on windows 98, thanks anyways though for trying.

The only people who get hacked, get viruses, etc. are the people who don't know how to protect their computers. I, unlike apparently you, am not one of those people.

The last time i got a virus was earlier this year, and i have Windows Vista, and virus protection up the ... with today's technology and the number of just plain mean people out there hacking, and sending viruses for fun, it doesn't matter how well educated you are. Things can happen. I don't play games that i HAVE to play online, but then that's just me. You're smarter than I am, apparently.

Dethstar
12-16-2010, 12:33 PM
Made the decision to not purchase games with that type of DRM when they ruined settlers VII with it. Bad decisions like that probably create more piracy than they prevent but personally I just wouldnt touch it. Lot of games about. After witnessing my friends son going absolutely nuts for an evening when he just couldny connect to login (we never did find out why) I decided I could do without a dose of the same.

Dethstar
12-16-2010, 12:36 PM
The last time i got a virus was earlier this year, and i have Windows Vista, and virus protection up the ... with today's technology and the number of just plain mean people out there hacking, and sending viruses for fun, it doesn't matter how well educated you are. Things can happen. I don't play games that i HAVE to play online, but then that's just me. You're smarter than I am, apparently.

Agree. I dont see how anyone can think they have great security just weeks after Microsoft were forced to release the greatest number of security updates ever released in the same period.

Naieve to say that wont get a virus. I am just watching the ticker rack up how many times someone is scanning ports (probably randomly looking for a vulnerability. I have it running most of the time. One record morning I got 473 hits. But hey if some people are complacent enough to think its safe let em. Ignorance is bliss, untill someone actually hits you hard with something nasty.

Personally for me this is the only thing in recent years to actually stop me buying a game at all. I havent tripped up anything with the limited installs issue yet but I feel that is a little worse.

WhatsHerFace
12-29-2010, 07:08 AM
Count me in. I bought Prince of Persia: Forgotten Sands last week. Didn't do my research ahead of time to find out it had Ubisoft's DRM. Fine, whatever, I played some last week, no big deal. This morning, I log on, click play, it won't play. "Attempting to reconnect to network" it says, "the game will resume after connection has been reestablished" it claims. I'm on steam you confounded piece of tard.

I cannot play my own SP game I purchased with my own money because YOUR servers aren't working atm?

Never again, Ubisoft. I will take my money elsewhere.