The controls are horrible... [Archive]

Creeping Death

02-24-2010, 03:49 PM

Just started this game, worked my way through the training and I have to say the controls are absolutely terrible! Which is a shame, because it seems like quite a fun game.

Does anyone else on here struggle with the controls? Have you remapped it to make it easier and if so, what did you change? Or would I just be better plugging in a 360 controller?

lightswitch94

02-24-2010, 04:20 PM

are you using the keyboard or a controller?

Overt.Enemy

02-24-2010, 05:38 PM

The controls are great on this game. You can map every button and controls are very responsive. I don't see an issue.

Voyager I

02-24-2010, 05:59 PM

You aren't supposed to play it with a mouse.

Fozzy the bear

02-24-2010, 06:06 PM

You aren't supposed to play it with a mouse.

Or an Xbox 360 controller either.

kaheiyeh

02-24-2010, 09:43 PM

Controls put me off from buying this game. I just tried the demo and there's no support to use the mouse to control the elevators and ailerons. Every game I've played with aircraft in it has had support for this; even if it wasn't enabled as default.

I've gotten to used t flying in a game with a mouse now. There just isn't as much control over the plane as I'd want with a keyboard.

milkweg

02-24-2010, 11:15 PM

Get a joystick if you want to enjoy any flight sims.

kaheiyeh

02-24-2010, 11:26 PM

Get a joystick if you want to enjoy any flight sims.

I enjoy them perfectly well with a mouse and keyboard thanks.

Razorman01

02-25-2010, 01:06 AM

I enjoy them perfectly well with a mouse and keyboard thanks.

Wow i bet that's immersive for you, really must get the feeling of flying a fighter down to a "T".

Now i know how pilots did so well in WWII, they all had keyboards & mice in the cockpit!

Better|Off|Dead

02-25-2010, 03:21 AM

Wow i bet that's immersive for you, really must get the feeling of flying a fighter down to a "T".

Now i know how pilots did so well in WWII, they all had keyboards & mice in the cockpit!Settle mate. This is is looking like trolling to me.

Razorman01

02-25-2010, 07:58 AM

Wow a Mod!

Welcome Mod, where have you been?
Please stick around this forum is desperate for some real moderation.

Back on topic, the controls are excellent, when used as they were meant to be, with a joystick.

Thanks.

fearlessfrog

02-25-2010, 09:29 AM

Wow a Mod!

Welcome Mod, where have you been?
Please stick around this forum is desperate for some real moderation.

The mods have always been here, and it has been working fine.

I've seen a few people banned in this particular forum already for some pretty nasty statements, and steam or mods have always acted quickly.

As long as people keep civil and threads on topic then there isn't usually any problems. If you disagree with a poster's point of view then that's not a reason to ask for 'real moderation' - people are allowed to speak.

I think a lot of people have found this forum useful already, given some of the threads have over 18,000 views.

lightswitch94

02-25-2010, 09:37 AM

this game seems to be more for the flight sim type so if you are into the arcade style games it might not be for you.

Red Scent

02-25-2010, 09:40 AM

this game seems to be more for the flight sim type so if you are into the arcade style games it might not be for you.

It's somwhere in between tbh - Some purists don't think it quite cuts it as a sim.

checkdestroy

02-25-2010, 09:54 AM

Wow i bet that's immersive for you, really must get the feeling of flying a fighter down to a "T".

Now i know how pilots did so well in WWII, they all had keyboards & mice in the cockpit!

That's not really fair... do you think all FPS games should be played with a model gun and IR tracking? Besides, some people might not wanna buy a joystick for one game they might not play that much.

Red Scent

02-25-2010, 10:03 AM

To be fair checkdestroy ... it was a joke and a mod has dealt with it - now we all move on I think m8. ;)

marcosss123

02-25-2010, 11:38 AM

Voyager I

02-25-2010, 11:56 AM

I enjoy them perfectly well with a mouse and keyboard thanks.

Playing a Flight Sim with a mouse is like playing an RTS with a joystick.

Fozzy the bear

02-25-2010, 12:53 PM

Playing a Flight Sim with a mouse is like playing an RTS with a joystick.

I have to agree with you on that point.

kaheiyeh

02-25-2010, 01:45 PM

You can fly with mouse in this game, also most flight games don't have a mouse option so what are you talking about.

FSX, HAWX, Battlefield series and more ...

ImOutlaw

02-25-2010, 05:22 PM

dnottis

02-25-2010, 06:17 PM

I'm playing it in Arcade mode with a 360 controller. Loaded the default gamepad setup, works perfectly. Not much of a sim'r although I do have a flight stick. After playing HAWX I prefer to use the 360 controller though.

marcosss123

02-25-2010, 07:46 PM

FSX, HAWX, Battlefield series and more ...

IL2 Sturmovik, Rise of Flight, and more... And really? I'd hardly consider Battlefield a flying game, yes they have air vehicles but it does not belong in the category of IL2, Hawx and all. I will admit that the mouse flying in that game worked decently, but joy stick is always the way to go.

mgbirish

02-26-2010, 06:17 AM

I have a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro which works fine on FSX. I am sure I am doing something wrong. Can anyone help? Thanks!

WarGameKlok

02-26-2010, 02:24 PM

I'm having problems with the controls as well. When i map the controls for my Saitek X52 joystick, the plane just flies out of control. it's impossible to maintain anything close to level flight. i can't figure out what is wrong. anyone else have problems like this?

I'm also using the X52. The trick to setting it up is when you set up the Axis' in the Devices Menu be sure to lower the Nonlinearity slider to a very low setting. Each Axis has a slider.
Also, you can adjust the Axis' sensitivity in the Profile/Options menu.

TOGSolid

02-26-2010, 04:16 PM

I'm also using the X52. The trick to setting it up is when you set up the Axis' in the Devices Menu be sure to lower the Nonlinearity slider to a very low setting. Each Axis has a slider.
Also, you can adjust the Axis' sensitivity in the Profile/Options menu.

Also, the game maps your trim controls to the dials and the thumb slider on your throttle. I made this very DURHURHUR mistake earlier and could not figure out wtf was going on. A helpful guy on the yuplay boards figured it out and I facepalmed so hard at my idiocy. Make sure that they're centered and drop the nonlinearity on them.

Once I had that sorted out, flying was a breeze. Especially since once I had my trim dialed in on the throttle, I never had to mess with it again for that specific plane.

WarGameKlok

02-26-2010, 04:18 PM

Settle mate. This is is looking like trolling to me.

Are you kidding us?!?!? Finally a so called "Moderator" shows up in this forum and warns a guy whose been repeatedly and personally attacked by a small group of Trolls and all you can do is warn him for making a sarcastic joke?

You should change your name to "better off doing something else because I suck at being a forum moderator".

I've contacted Gaijin about their lack of Steam forum support (as have others) and plans are in progress to rectify this pathetic situation.

I can't believe that there is no one at Valve who has marketing savvy and knows how to properly work with a trading partner so I'll be contacting that person as well.

Good Day

Fozzy the bear

02-26-2010, 07:47 PM

Are you kidding us?!?!? Finally a so called "Moderator" shows up in this forum and warns a guy whose been repeatedly and personally attacked by a small group of Trolls and all you can do is warn him for making a sarcastic joke?

You should change your name to "better off doing something else because I suck at being a forum moderator".

I've contacted Gaijin about their lack of Steam forum support (as have others) and plans are in progress to rectify this pathetic situation.

I can't believe that there is no one at Valve who has marketing savvy and knows how to properly work with a trading partner so I'll be contacting that person as well.

Good Day

I hope you get a nice infraction point for disrespect. I find it funny you call people trolls but you are doing exactly that.

WarGameKlok

02-26-2010, 08:04 PM

I'm a Steam customer who has purchased this game. Your statement that I'm "disrespectful" is a personal attack on me and unwarranted as I've never made a negative comment about you.

This is exactly my point. This forum is out of control. There is no competent moderation here and I'm sure Valve/Steam has some legal obligation to their trading partner, Gaijin.

This forum needs moderation.

crimsonheadGCN

02-26-2010, 08:17 PM

I'm a Steam customer who has purchased this game. Your statement that I'm "disrespectful" is a personal attack on me and unwarranted as I've never made a negative comment about you.

His statement was in no way a personal attack on you and I doubt any moderator on these forums will consider it as a personal attack. And what he said was correct. You were being disrespectful to a moderator.

This is exactly my point. This forum is out of control. There is no competent moderation here and I'm sure Valve/Steam has some legal obligation to their trading partner, Gaijin.

This forum needs moderation.

Just because Valve allows criticism of the game or it's DRM scheme on the forums, it does not mean that the forums are out of control or lack competent moderation. Valve is under no legal obligation to silence the criticism and if they did silence the criticism then it will look bad for them.

WarGameKlok

02-26-2010, 08:28 PM

it's DRM scheme on the forums

You are slandering a software developer who happens to be one of Vale/Steam'sTtrading Partners. There is legal precedent here.
I can only hope a competent individual will assume charge of this forum and deal with you.

fearlessfrog

02-26-2010, 08:37 PM

You are slandering a software developer who happens to be one of Vale/Steam'sTtrading Partners. There is legal precedent here.
I can only hope a competent individual will assume charge of this forum and deal with you.

If it is written defamation of character then it is called libel. Slander is the spoken word, or the quoted/reported speech thereof

Which law or case precedent are you referring to?

Libel law also varies per country, which country are you from? Steam is owned by Valve, which is based in Seattle, WA of the USA.

Fozzy the bear

02-26-2010, 09:36 PM

Butch_N

02-26-2010, 09:46 PM

Hi

To get back on topic, the Logitech G940 works well in the game. Minor issue with the Secondary throttle being used for propeller pitch and the R1 rotary wheel doesn't work right for mixture. Other than that, everything else is working correctly, assigned easily and retains the settings.

They have made a lot of progress getting 'pc' control options to work right. It is leaps and bounds above what the demo was a few months ago. It appears they have most issues ironed out now, and hopefully will finalize the controls soon.

One thing no one can deny, the devs are listening and working hard to give us what we ask for and need for our enjoyment. Remember a lot of devs don't do this, even a lot of big company devs don't take the effort to try to get everything working the way their customers want. I'm not going to point any out, but I'm sure everyone of us has run into them before. Thankfully we are not in that situation with Gaijin. They are working hard, and I for one appreciate them for that. I feel certain any remaining control issues will be corrected before much longer.

crimsonheadGCN

02-26-2010, 11:08 PM

You are slandering a software developer who happens to be one of Vale/Steam'sTtrading Partners. There is legal precedent here.
I can only hope a competent individual will assume charge of this forum and deal with you.

If there is legal precedents then please post the exact precedents that apply here, how these precedents hold any jurisdiction over the members of these forums, and how these precedents were violated. After the previous is done, all of this should be posted in the Assassin's Creed, Anno 1404, Borderlands, Chronicles of Riddick, and Crysis subforums, since the software developers and publishers of these video games were also criticized for the DRM that they choose to use.

You have to realize that Gaijin Entertainment is not the first software developer to be criticized by the members of these forums for the DRM that they choose to use and this developer will not be the last one to be criticized. And no one has ever accused these members of slander or libel because of the criticism that they offered.

oto niel

02-27-2010, 08:30 AM

If there is legal precedents then please post the exact precedents that apply here, how these precedents hold any jurisdiction over the members of these forums, and how these precedents were violated. After the previous is done, all of this should be posted in the Assassin's Creed, Anno 1404, Borderlands, Chronicles of Riddick, and Crysis subforums, since the software developers and publishers of these video games were also criticized for the DRM that they choose to use.

You have to realize that Gaijin Entertainment is not the first software developer to be criticized by the members of these forums for the DRM that they choose to use and this developer will not be the last one to be criticized. And no one has ever accused these members of slander or libel because of the criticism that they offered.

What jurisdiction could there be? he comes here, insults the moderators, states that everybody who doesn't agree with his nonsense is attacking him in a personal way and requires gaijin to get the vedette treatment.

Don't pay attention to his blabber.

Pattoe

03-01-2010, 07:06 AM

I've got a trackball mouse which works quite well with most games that offer a flight option or are flight entirely, and also feels rather immersive as the ball is on top so it's like pulling a joystick back.

To be honest, the controls with keyboards really arnt sensitive enough, for example, im trying to aim at an enemy, I need to move my crosshair down by 2-3mm, I tap the down key and it goes down over 1cm, completely overshooting my target.

If this game was a flight sim, I can understand that, but it's not, it's an action shooter and the aiming really needs to be more intuitive and sensitive.

It seems like this game has gone for both flight sim and action shooter together and failed miserably, hitting somewhere in the middle and missing both targets... Ironically exactly what happens when ur trying to shoot down a bomber with the insensitive controls in the game :)

If mouse control was supported, id have bought this game, but the fact that it isnt has put me off of it. Atleast I tested the demo first.

Lokust

03-01-2010, 04:39 PM

I am using the keyboard because I can't get a joystick where I am but it is still fun. All you need to do is change the key bindings to WASD and make the different options to the keys around those areas. Some trial and area is needed but you get used to it after a while.

Fozzy the bear

03-01-2010, 06:56 PM

Lokust

03-02-2010, 10:45 AM

Haven't you heard of ordering on line?

Uhm, how did I get Wings of Prey? Isn't ordering on steam buying online?

I am at college and my budget is tight. I am saving up to buy the $100 Saitek but it will take me a while.

Insaniac99

03-03-2010, 10:37 AM

Uhm, how did I get Wings of Prey? Isn't ordering on steam buying online?

I am at college and my budget is tight. I am saving up to buy the $100 Saitek but it will take me a while.

You might look at other sticks, the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X is a good, inexpensive stick that works for both the PC and PS3 and costs around $40 (I got it for ~$30 after shipping). It has a throttle that is detachable from the stick base and two ways to control the rudder (besides the standard twist, you can use a rocker axis that sits on the throttle where your middle and ring fingers rest) and has very good reviews by almost everyone.

Also some of the Saitek sticks have had problems that cause them to wear out under normal use so you might do more research on them before you buy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQQVkpWmG8 )

Here's a few links to start you on research:
Official Website for specs: http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149&PlatformID=5
Amazon for $30 price tag and user reviews: http://www.amazon.com/T-flight-Hotas-Stick-PS3-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1267640241&sr=8-1
Video of it in action during the ps3 game IL-2 Sturmovik(casual review) :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVQtaEmUdy4
video that shows you all the features (by the same guy as the previous one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlic96NWQM

RapidUK

03-04-2010, 01:20 PM

Controls i found were easy to set up, Saitek Cyborg X configured with no problem.

As for keyboard just mapped what i wanted used my IL2 keyboard set up where i could it's fine for testing demo b4 purchase

The only complaint or annoyance is the fact i have to set up each time i use demo, but 5 minutes is here nor there.

vaiman

03-08-2010, 03:41 PM

Using an xbox 360 controller and loving it :)

Sgt Jigglebelly

03-26-2010, 10:24 PM

in all seriousness, to the OP, you can probably enjoy the game on a controller, but I don't see how anyone could enjoy it to any great extent using the mouse and keyboard - just my honest assessment :/

with a joystick and throttle though, the controls feel great, and greatly adds to the immersion factor that the graphics already pump up so well :)

cyberdaemon

03-30-2010, 10:57 AM

You can fly with mouse in this game, also most flight games don't have a mouse option so what are you talking about.

How can i fly with my mouse ? I don't have a controller and its pain in the ♥♥♥ even to hit a straight moving plane with the keyboard navigation.

And to all of the mouse haters here , i think its fine to fly with mouse and keyboard.Altrough im more into Jumpgate Evolution type of flying :D

cyberdaemon

04-01-2010, 11:33 AM

Where are everyone ? I asked a simple question :(

Toxilium

04-07-2010, 10:39 PM

Don't use a mouse. My joystick was being stupid with this game so I made my WASD and mouse work fine. The mouse just controls my in-cockpit head swivel, my WASD and other keys do all the flying.

StalkerDA

04-24-2010, 11:56 PM

Controls are exellent in this game but if u must play or only want to play with an XBOX 360 controller wich i have played you are limited to ARCADE MODE try it you wont stall wont crash and it will feel great but were this game really shines is with a Joystick and Throttle controls and in simulation game mode but i also enjoyed the game in arcade when i just dont want to plug in my Joy & Throt. Controllers

Richey79

04-25-2010, 06:44 AM

The controls in this game are very good for joystick.

I enjoy playing some flight sims with X360 controller, but not this one. IMO, the dead-zones and sensitivity are completely messed up. Ironic for a console port.

When I started getting interested in flight sims, I used keyboard and mouse for IL2 Sturmovik (the original). I couldn't even take off in most planes without crashing.