Please tell me that R.U.S.E will not have this new Ubisoft DRM

[mriguy]

I travel a lot and many times just want to have a quick game against the AI while on the plane. I do not want to deal with this always online DRM. I hope R.U.S.E. just uses Steam's DRM which can be played offine.

If you want to see what others think of this new DRM check out Steam's Assassin's Creed series forum.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=381

[92Hotel]

It's very disappointing lately that I get interested in some new game or maybe something that's on a good sale, come to the forum and other places to look into it, and so many times there's some absurd DRM that makes me just cross it off my list.

I hope this won't be one of those, but with Ubisoft you do need to be cautious. They don't have the best record with me, but that's another story.

[CrawlingChaos]

I seriously hope not. Cause this game looks like something i'd really like, but i will not buy it if it has UBI's new constant-contact DRM.

[mundox86]

Most likely it will so not buying, F U ubi

[Rugged Malone]

Too bad, I was looking forward to this game. =[

This and Silent Hunter 5 are two new games that I've removed from my Must Buy list because of DRM. I disagree with this move by Ubisoft in principle and I'm voting with my wallet.

I feel sorry for the developers. The bad PR from the way Ubisoft is treating their paying customers is going to negatively impact sales. It's tragic to see this happen to niche games with small target markets...they likely need every sale they can get.

I don't know what they're trying to accomplish -- maybe they're trying to gain control of the buying cycle by being able to limit the playable lifetime of old games? Prevent used game sales? I don't know.

All I know is it stinks and as much as I'd like to reward the developers, I won't do so at the risk of encouraging such tactics by publishers.

Especially when here are so many other worthy games to play. In fact (thanks to Steam!) I already have far more than I have time for.

[YoKeR]

dont worry Starcraft 2 is coming soon :D

[Death by Yeti]

It more than likely will such as Splinter Cell Conviction which i will not buy now

Bums me out that DRM is just awful

[Falknir]

The sad part about all this, it is only the legitimate customers that are getting punished again, while illegitimate customers can supposedly already obtain cracked copies that circumvent the DRM within days of it's release. Yet again, I feel like I'm being treated and expected to be a criminal to enjoy my games anymore. :mad:

[Ravenheart]

Actually it took the crackers a couple of hours, not days to crack the new DRM.

[sofmisfortune]

The new drm has notbeen cracked. The truth is that in order forpc gaming to survive,we will have to live with this type of guideline. It beets going to a console though. Also, Starcraft 2 is the same setup through battlenet. Single player connected via internet so add them to your list of boycots.

[ancipital]

The new drm has notbeen cracked. The truth is that in order forpc gaming to survive,we will have to live with this type of guideline. It beets going to a console though.

No we won't. Steam's own DRM works just fine. Elasticities of demand mofo, have you heard of them? Good products for sensible prices, with good support sell surprisingly well.

[Drakeer Melkhor]

im not buying with this drm t_t

[fng_tsam314]

Yet another game I won't be buying due to horrible DRM implementation. I was going to buy Assassin's Creed 2 for PC, but, scratch that idea. This game looks very interesting, but with Ubi's new DRM model, I won't be purchasing it. I won't buy any Ubisoft games until they scrap this DRM system. Hopefully they get rid of this DRM before they finally come out with Beyond Good & Evil 2.

[sofmisfortune]

Steam drm, explain empire total war,fear2,mw2(I beleive) all pirated.I'm not saying it is not annoying but a meager price to pay to get developers interested in creating for pc again.

[Cham Clouder]

The new drm has notbeen cracked. The truth is that in order forpc gaming to survive,we will have to live with this type of guideline. It beets going to a console though. Also, Starcraft 2 is the same setup through battlenet. Single player connected via internet so add them to your list of boycots.

Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In One Day (http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/05/027258/Ubisofts-New-DRM-Cracked-In-One-Day)

Although from the comments in that article, future games might not work the same.

[edit: that links to a news article, not the crack]

[sofmisfortune]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ubisoft-drm-internet-assassin-s-creed,9805.html

I read something different. If has been cracked or if it ever is then the drm should be removed.

[C4Cypher]

I've been curious about this game, but UBI's DRM has already turned me away from AssCrack 2, a game which I had been looking forward to until this point. No sale.

[ancipital]

Steam drm, explain empire total war,fear2,mw2(I beleive) all pirated.

You really don't get it, do you? I'm going to use short words, to be clear. Pay attention, and buckle up:

All DRM gets cracked.


Do you understand now? Making horrid intrusive DRM which screws the player doesn't make the game any less vulnerable to piracy, it just screws the player.

Halfwits still get to slap their sweaty flippers on the keyboard, find a torrent with zero effort- but have a better experience than legitimate purchasers, that's all.

[sofmisfortune]

You really don't get it, do you? I'm going to use short words, to be clear. Pay attention, and buckle up:

All DRM gets cracked.


Do you understand now? Making horrid intrusive DRM which screws the player doesn't make the game any less vulnerable to piracy, it just screws the player.

Halfwits still get to slap their sweaty flippers on the keyboard, find a torrent with zero effort- but have a better experience than legitimate purchasers, that's all.

I have never had an issue with DRM being intrusive or horrid and can accept the evolution of PC gaming (so yes I do get it). If the developers don't make attempts at copy protection then we will be stuck with bad ports of even worse console games. By boycoting these companies for attempting to protect their product you are doing nothing but hurting the already suffering PC gaming industry. Be positive about the situation and hope they can find a solution or PC gaming is dead.

Also,what you don't seem to understand is the fact that a year from now you will have no other choice on the PC, so three short words for you "suck it up".

[Exinjeru]

It looks like even the BETA is going to require you to install UBisoft's DRM

[Ardbug]

The truth is that in order forpc gaming to survive,we will have to live with this type of guideline.

Is that the reason some of you just buy anything they push without being critical at all, because you believe PC gaming will die without it ??
You need to understand one thing, as long as there are customers there are products, its not the other way around, if a product is suddenly missing a new product will quickly replace it because there is money to be made, its very simple, PC gaming will survive long after these Kafka like DRM schemes are dead and gone.

[infernox3470]

You really don't get it, do you? I'm going to use short words, to be clear. Pay attention, and buckle up:

All DRM gets cracked.


Do you understand now? Making horrid intrusive DRM which screws the player doesn't make the game any less vulnerable to piracy, it just screws the player.

Halfwits still get to slap their sweaty flippers on the keyboard, find a torrent with zero effort- but have a better experience than legitimate purchasers, that's all.

What anti-DRM proponents don't seem to understand is that DRM doesn't need to be uncrackable to be successful. If a crack to a DRM scheme is complicated to install then the amount of pirates will drop considerably.

What someone needs to do is come up with a DRM scheme that has no ill-effects on the legitimate consumer while forcing any would-be pirates to jump through a series of hoops just to play the game for free.

DRM is not inherently bad, although it quite deservedly has a bad reputation because of ♥♥♥♥ty implementation over the years.

Is that the reason some of you just buy anything they push without being critical at all, because you believe PC gaming will die without it ??
You need to understand one thing, as long as there are customers there are products, its not the other way around, if a product is suddenly missing a new product will quickly replace it because there is money to be made, its very simple, PC gaming will survive long after these Kafka like DRM schemes are dead and gone.

Sure, games may still be released on the PC.


But the consoles are driving the industry at this point, and developers have moved away from the PC. PC exclusives are a rare breed these days, limited to Eastern European developed games and RTS/MMO's. The PC gaming market either needs to get bigger (this would mean someone coming out with a standardized "gaming PC" that can be sold for a couple of hundred dollars pre-built for gaming) or piracy rates need to drop.

Most PC games don't sell very well, and the only reason we see PC ports for most games is because it's fairly cheap to make and there is still enough extra revenue to justify it. But when push comes to shove and the budget is tight, the first thing to be cut is the PC port. (See: Dead Space 2)

[xenoss]

What anti-DRM proponents don't seem to understand is that DRM doesn't need to be uncrackable to be successful. If a crack to a DRM scheme is complicated to install then the amount of pirates will drop considerably.

What someone needs to do is come up with a DRM scheme that has no ill-effects on the legitimate consumer while forcing any would-be pirates to jump through a series of hoops just to play the game for free.

DRM is not inherently bad, although it quite deservedly has a bad reputation because of ♥♥♥♥ty implementation over the years.



Sure, games may still be released on the PC.


But the consoles are driving the industry at this point, and developers have moved away from the PC. PC exclusives are a rare breed these days, limited to Eastern European developed games and RTS/MMO's. The PC gaming market either needs to get bigger (this would mean someone coming out with a standardized "gaming PC" that can be sold for a couple of hundred dollars pre-built for gaming) or piracy rates need to drop.

Most PC games don't sell very well, and the only reason we see PC ports for most games is because it's fairly cheap to make and there is still enough extra revenue to justify it. But when push comes to shove and the budget is tight, the first thing to be cut is the PC port. (See: Dead Space 2)

And what YOU don't understand, is that anti-DRM proponents actually understand what you believe they don't.

No 1 would mind DRM's if the following doesn't happen:

Paying customers need to deal with DRM and be restricted etc.
Pirates get the games free and have no need to deal with DRM.

Paying customers ended up being the only 1's affected.

We don't need to accept this as fate.
THEY need to protect their products better, THEY need to come up with a way that works.

They are too stupid to protect their product, that's their fault.

Pirates hurt sales? Ok.
Intrusive DRM's also hurt sales; it also negatively affect your brand image.

Look at Stardock. Look at the guys who made Darwinia. Look at the guys who made World of Goo. Look at their customer reactions.

Look at EA, Ubisoft, Activision. Look at their "fan" reactions.

[VengZ]

Loved the closed beta. And properly gonna love the open beta too.
But I'll never buy it if they're using that "#&#"#&# DRM ;)

[SailinDawg]

It's too bad these dev's got pickwed up by UBI. UBI knows best how to kill good pc titles, either by lack of support, or their lame DRM attempts. They have gonme from Starforce to their lastest. Too bad. They just killed another potentially good title.

Look at Relic & Company of Heroes. Very succesful title for a RTS game and NO DRM. Same for their follow up game. A lot of this pirating is going on in Southeast Asia on a grand scale. Just go to India.

Like the music industry, UBI blames the loss of sales from skewed sales forecasts on something they can't control, the black market for software. So they make themselves feel safe by coming up with various DRM schemes, some of which have been as infamous as Sony's rootkit and screw paying customers.

[somnolentsurfer]

It looks like even the BETA is going to require you to install UBisoft's DRM

Source?

I might still try the beta if it has he DRM, but there's no way I'll be buying it unless it's clean.

[MaxMcG]

Not a chance I will be buying this or any other Ubisoft game as long as this DRM exists. It's a disgrace.

[acare84]

Closed beta was using Steamworks for achievements and leaderboards. Final game will also use Steamworks I think.

[ComradeLenin]

OH HAI!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg

Interview with Gabe Newell. Cut to 3:30 when asked about the question of piracy.

Piracy is not on the list of top 10 concerns for Valve.

Piracy is the result of poor service.

The more intrusive the DRM is, the less likely people are going to buy it and the more likely people will pirate it.

Says Gabe Newell himself.

You can also read Brad Wardell's writing, CEO of Stardock, on the issues of DRM and piracy.

I actually love the developers of this game. Act of War is one of my all time favorite RTS games which I own retail, boxed, manual, everything. But if this is going to feature the same draconian DRM them I am not getting it.

[mriguy]

Closed beta was using Steamworks for achievements and leaderboards. Final game will also use Steamworks I think.

I hope you are right. It would be so cool to have this Ubisoft game be Steam DRM only and have the sales skyrocket. Maybe it will convince Ubisoft to drop their DRM in favor of Steam.

One can only hope and dream ...

[Fireborn]

I hope you are right. It would be so cool to have this Ubisoft game be Steam DRM only and have the sales skyrocket. Maybe it will convince Ubisoft to drop their DRM in favor of Steam.

One can only hope and dream ...

I hope so too.
As I pointed out in another thread Ubisoft has stated, that they wont use this new DRM for all their games (but most).
End of this february they handed out a list of games which would use this new DRM, RUSE was not in that list.

Of course it's still not 100% shure, but it already sounds good to me.

[GeneralHERO]

StarCraft 2 doesnt have a required constant connection... that is only required if you want to play online multiplayer or earn achievements related to the single player... other than that the main reason for StarCraft 2 having a b.net 2.0 login at startup is so that you can have access to contacting your friends at all times and so your game stats/achievements can be recorded to their servers... I guess you could say they took a few steps worse than say Diablo II Closed B.net servers.. plus they probably dont want anyone hacking the achievements (tho it wouldnt surprise me much if they managed anyways.) oh yeah and the other down side to StarCraft II is no LAN multiplayer as far as Im aware but who knows they might make a small client that would allow it other wise the hackers will probably manage that....

[xenoss]

StarCraft 2 doesnt have a required constant connection... that is only required if you want to play online multiplayer or earn achievements related to the single player... other than that the main reason for StarCraft 2 having a b.net 2.0 login at startup is so that you can have access to contacting your friends at all times and so your game stats/achievements can be recorded to their servers... I guess you could say they took a few steps worse than say Diablo II Closed B.net servers.. plus they probably dont want anyone hacking the achievements (tho it wouldnt surprise me much if they managed anyways.) oh yeah and the other down side to StarCraft II is no LAN multiplayer as far as Im aware but who knows they might make a small client that would allow it other wise the hackers will probably manage that....

You must be very young. You play a lot of console games, right?

Forcing you to be online so you can have a friends list and achievements?

Do I need to be in constant contact with friends even as I play the single player campaign?

Do I need achievements online when it could be local? Oh, so people can't "hack" it and get all the achievements. How does that impact you? I don't see how that impacts me. A guy unlocking all his achievements through "hacking" doesn't exactly do anything.

[SCi-Fi]

If this does come with Ubi DRM then it wont be touching my pc, I've read all about the Ubi crap and Ive seen how bad it is on my friends pc and he has said never will he ever buy anything from Ubi ever again. Its an experience never to be duplicated.

[dcpc10]

It it does, that would be a big shame.

[Jon-Claw]

Probably will.

[theleif]

According to the store page it will use it. What a shame. I was really looking forward to this.

[McMo0]

OH HAI!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg

Interview with Gabe Newell. Cut to 3:30 when asked about the question of piracy.

Piracy is not on the list of top 10 concerns for Valve.

Piracy is the result of poor service.

The more intrusive the DRM is, the less likely people are going to buy it and the more likely people will pirate it.

Says Gabe Newell himself.

You can also read Brad Wardell's writing, CEO of Stardock, on the issues of DRM and piracy.

I actually love the developers of this game. Act of War is one of my all time favorite RTS games which I own retail, boxed, manual, everything. But if this is going to feature the same draconian DRM them I am not getting it.

Ah Gabe Newell. Legend. +rep for the find.

Seriously i've got the beta pre-loaded... Because i realised it was an ubi game after pre-loading, so I was gonna base the decision on whether to get it or not on the beta. Now of course, if I enjoy it, I've also got to wait to see if it comes with this stupid DRM.

I find it hilarious when a developer like valve, who can throw out a game engine that looked epic 5 years ago. Was still up to scratch 2 years ago, and is only now looking dated, sit there and mock other developers because they're going bankrupt as a result of piracy. One engine, granted an engine thats been poked more times than (insert ♥♥♥♥♥ celebrity name here) 8 games that I can think of off the top of my head... 9. I wonder how other developers feel when they look at the towering quality of valve.

Lol sorry but Gabe has made my day.

[petteyg]

http://drm.info/

[Spidery_Yoda]

Strategy games are THE games I look at whenever I find myself offline for whatever reason. Living in rural Scotland, this happens a fair amount.

Nothing is better at passing the time until I can get my net working again than a few rounds of rts against some AIs.

So yes, more than any other type of game I will be extremely disappointed if I can't play it offline.

[Bridger15]

For what it's worth, the beta can be played offline against the AI right now. At least, the steam servers are down (so i can't play online) but I just started a game against the AI.

[anachreon_]

Not buying any game with the Ubi DRM, no way, no how. And I spend probably $1,000 on PC gaming every year. But not on this garbage. Screw you, ubi.

[xrobertcmx]

I have never had an issue with DRM being intrusive or horrid and can accept the evolution of PC gaming (so yes I do get it). If the developers don't make attempts at copy protection then we will be stuck with bad ports of even worse console games. By boycoting these companies for attempting to protect their product you are doing nothing but hurting the already suffering PC gaming industry. Be positive about the situation and hope they can find a solution or PC gaming is dead.

Also,what you don't seem to understand is the fact that a year from now you will have no other choice on the PC, so three short words for you "suck it up".

Actually, that is not true. The music industry thought the same thing, and now make billions in music sales and look at the trend. Both iTunes and Amazon sell what? non-DRM'd music.
Suffering PC Gaming industry? EA is doing very well, issuing dividends this year.
The truth is that Pirating is here, and has been around for, well, since the beginning. This is actually why Microsoft is so big. DRM that cripples games and makes them unplayable without an internet connection is nonsense and needs to be boycotted. On a recent trip to FL I was off the grid for a week, but still played a few games on my laptop at night. What this DRM would do is make the game I paid for unplayable, why would I give them money for this?
I still play Dungeon Keep 2, Pax Imperia, Sim City 2K, and a few other old, old games. Are you saying UbiSoft will keep these servers up for 10 years? Like Microsoft did for Freelancer or say PlayForSure? Ask folks who bought that DRM'd music what they thought when told they had to burn it to CD or never play it again. My other favorite is what happens when the DRM server crashes like it did the other day. You can't play that game you paid $40-$60 for.
No, people like you and me who actually buy these games need to send a clear message that "Yes, we will buy your game as soon as you stop treating us like criminals and let us enjoy it."
This DRM does one thing. Kill the used game market.

[medieval76]

♥♥♥♥ ubisoft

[Fireborn]

Actually, that is not true. The music industry thought the same thing, and now make billions in music sales and look at the trend. Both iTunes and Amazon sell what? non-DRM'd music.
Suffering PC Gaming industry? EA is doing very well, issuing dividends this year.
The truth is that Pirating is here, and has been around for, well, since the beginning. This is actually why Microsoft is so big. DRM that cripples games and makes them unplayable without an internet connection is nonsense and needs to be boycotted. On a recent trip to FL I was off the grid for a week, but still played a few games on my laptop at night. What this DRM would do is make the game I paid for unplayable, why would I give them money for this?
I still play Dungeon Keep 2, Pax Imperia, Sim City 2K, and a few other old, old games. Are you saying UbiSoft will keep these servers up for 10 years? Like Microsoft did for Freelancer or say PlayForSure? Ask folks who bought that DRM'd music what they thought when told they had to burn it to CD or never play it again. My other favorite is what happens when the DRM server crashes like it did the other day. You can't play that game you paid $40-$60 for.
No, people like you and me who actually buy these games need to send a clear message that "Yes, we will buy your game as soon as you stop treating us like criminals and let us enjoy it."
This DRM does one thing. Kill the used game market.

nothing I could add to this.
+rep

[xenoss]

Let's get 1 thing straight first:

Is RUSE confirmed to have Ubi's new DRM? If so, please source.

I seem to have lost my account on ubi's forums (at least I think I signed up before), but people there talk like this is comfirmed, but I could find no source on it.

[Centy]

Let's get 1 thing straight first:

Is RUSE confirmed to have Ubi's new DRM? If so, please source.

I seem to have lost my account on ubi's forums (at least I think I signed up before), but people there talk like this is comfirmed, but I could find no source on it.

Steamstore page says in the games info box the following

A PERMANENT HIGH SPEED INTERNET CONNECTION AND CREATION OF A UBISOFT ACCOUNT ARE REQUIRED TO PLAY THIS VIDEO GAME AT ALL TIMES AND TO UNLOCK EXCLUSIVE CONTENT. SUCH CONTENT MAY ONLY BE UNLOCKED ONE SINGLE TIME WITH A UNIQUE KEY. YOU MUST BE AT LEAST 13 TO CREATE A UBISOFT ACCOUNT WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT http://ruse.us.ubi.com/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/21970/

So sadly it's true and after playing the beta I love the game it's just a damn shame I will probably never play it and the people I feel sorry for the most is the developers they have an RTS that should sell better on the PC than the consoles but more than a few of the fans especially of Act of War etc will probably do as I am and avoid it. So well done Ubisoft for killing the only game you have I wanted well done indeed.

[weez2mo]

it is a shame that they are including the new (already cracked) drm into ruse.

ive played beta versions of both SC2 and ruse, and while im sure SC2 will be a much bigger game based on popularity alone, i believe ruse is the better game. it tries something new and the engine is excellent; load speed is fantastic as well.

if the drm goes through to release, which im sure it will, it even has the drm hinted at on the steam app page, then ruse will be mostly passed up, and that will push even more potential community members to SC2 and other games.

as always, there will likely be the underground scene for ruse, but is it so good that the drm will be worth tolerating? for most, probably not.

-1 to ubi for this mistake.

[SailinDawg]

Just got the download and read the EULA. UBI just killed this before it even got off the ground.

[God_Hand21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg

Interview with Gabe Newell. Cut to 3:30 when asked about the question of piracy.

This. This is what game developers simply do not get. The more you try to protect a game, the more incentive there is to crack and pirate it.

Besides Valve of course. Gabe has got it.

[petteyg]

Vote Gabe for president, congress, and senate.

[durrem]

I was pretty excited to see this in beta on the front page, but I clicked on it and saw Ubi so... lol no chance. Not dealing with that hastle.

[lampuiho]

Let's take ubi down from the stock market!

[Straite]

You must be very young. You play a lot of console games, right?

Forcing you to be online so you can have a friends list and achievements?


And you must be very old and hard of reading. He just told you you don't have to be online all the time.


Do I need to be in constant contact with friends even as I play the single player campaign?


I would say no - but apparently some people have friends :D

Also, battlenet covers all games, so if someone is playing battlenet they can be send a message from inside WoW that the raid is about to start. Apparenty some people like that.


Do I need achievements online when it could be local?


Do we need achievements at all - well Blizzard says we do, so the market probably wants it.


Oh, so people can't "hack" it and get all the achievements. How does that impact you? I don't see how that impacts me. A guy unlocking all his achievements through "hacking" doesn't exactly do anything.

It impacts people who want to be number one on that list - Blizzard are going to consolidate all their game achievements into one for each customer, regardless of the game - so it becomes easier to see who is the "best"

[Lawliet89]

I was going to try out RUSE beta in hopes that the game will be using Steamworks and not the crap DRM. But I guess it's time to delete the beta.

[Sheytan]

Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In One Day (http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/05/027258/Ubisofts-New-DRM-Cracked-In-One-Day)

Although from the comments in that article, future games might not work the same.

[edit: that links to a news article, not the crack]

I have read Assassins Creed 2 haven't been 100% cracked.

They can free roam but can't do any missions.

[xenoss]

I have read Assassins Creed 2 haven't been 100% cracked.

They can free roam but can't do any missions.

It is only a matter of time. Ubisoft themselves admitted as much.

Which is a shame really. They aim only for this to block pirates temporarily. Yet the customers who bought the game will have to endure it for longer.

[ICantShoot]

All future Ubisoft games will use the new fancy customers away driving DRM. So you figure out if this uses it or not as Ubisoft is the publisher after all.

I'm not touching this game due to that DRM even with a stick, not even the free beta.

[M4nkoRid3r]

Such a pity, I've been having a blast playing the beta and would very much like to buy it...

[MillertimeRC]

From the Interview with Ubisoft spokesperson (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235596&site=pcg) - February 19, 2010

Which PC games will require an always on internet connection?
All announced Ubisoft PC games will include the online services, whether sold online, or from brick and mortar stores. That includes Splinter Cell, Silent Hunter 5, Assassin's Creed 2, Prince of Persia and the newly announced Ghost Recon. "It's hard for us to say, yes, from now until the day that we all die all of our games are going to include this," says their spokesperson, "but most will."

[KingLowa]

From the Interview with Ubisoft spokesperson (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235596&site=pcg) - February 19, 2010 Quote:
Which PC games will require an always on internet connection?
All announced Ubisoft PC games will include the online services, whether sold online, or from brick and mortar stores. That includes Splinter Cell, Silent Hunter 5, Assassin's Creed 2, Prince of Persia and the newly announced Ghost Recon. "It's hard for us to say, yes, from now until the day that we all die all of our games are going to include this," says their spokesperson, "but most will."

Is it just me or is EA actually more angelic than ubisoft? atleast TS3, BFBC2 don't require PERMENANT internet, thats sinful, i can understand internet activation but permenant? what if ubi's servers go boom? we just lost $50 worth of software :(. frankly, its a pointless endevour to be fighting cyberpirates like software companies do, the pirates WILL win at some point. oh well hopefully someday in the future the gaming industry learns its harsh lesson! Finally, the worst part is that RUSE looks like a very unique and awesome game, so various rude curses to ubi for even thinking this is ok.

[ShockerX]

Well, been waiting for this game for almost a year. But considering how fagisoft been doing lately, especially with Assassin Creed II server issues (especially being DDoS'ed) that people couldn't play for awhile, I'm staying away from that company. Even their "uber" DRM got cracked within a day according to MaximumPC.

I took a closer look at steam store page, it has the capital paragraph of:

A PERMANENT HIGH SPEED INTERNET CONNECTION AND CREATION OF A UBISOFT ACCOUNT ARE REQUIRED TO PLAY THIS VIDEO GAME AT ALL TIMES AND TO UNLOCK EXCLUSIVE CONTENT. SUCH CONTENT MAY ONLY BE UNLOCKED ONE SINGLE TIME WITH A UNIQUE KEY. YOU MUST BE AT LEAST 13 TO CREATE A UBISOFT ACCOUNT WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT http://ruse.us.ubi.com/

Yup, I guess its the same third party DRM apart from steam's, that assassin creed II have. Sigh. I think I lost 99.9% faith in Ubisoft. I don't blame them, but they're PUNISHING legit users MORE than pirate users.

Take a look of this picture (http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg). Thanks for encouraging piracy, but my wallet is doing the talking. Don't bother getting warez/torrent games people. Vote with your wallet. There are other games like Mass Effect I and II or Company of Heroes.

[Elgonidas]

If it's just to delay the pirates, they should remove it when the pirates are successful. Wishful thinking, I know.

[Dorias]

I know that the DRM in a sp game like Assa creed 2 sucks, but this game, i will play only online, even doubt if i will even try the sp campaign.. soo dont really care about that if my internet conection gone my mp too..

[xenoss]

I know that the DRM in a sp game like Assa creed 2 sucks, but this game, i will play only online, even doubt if i will even try the sp campaign.. soo dont really care about that if my internet conection gone my mp too..

All the more reason why they should NOT have used to DRM in this case. Because that's essentially what RTS's are about: online play. Given that, they should have no need to be so strict with the DRM for the SP. And yet, there it is.

A lot of people might not be affected when a game has an online MP focus since they play it online anyway. But, the sense of unnecessary restriction is often times enough in and of itself to make people not buy a game.

[krotch]

Ubisoft is awesome. Their restrictive DRM they created to stop pirates is going to create nothing more than an even larger legion of pirates.

Needless to say, I'll be joining that legion when it comes to any Ubisoft games til they decide to remove such restrictive DRM.

Almost thinking of pulling out my R6:Vegas and R6:Vegas 2 discs and lighting them on fire to bring in the dawn of a new pirate era.

[bar10dr]

I will not buy it if it has the new DRM scheme

[jasonx580]

k so let me get this straight this drm wonl let u play off line and it prevents piracy lol when its out in a week ther will be a patch someone made to overide it anyway

[GenericAmerican]

Ubisoft, you can shove DRM up yer ♥♥♥♥. Its impossible for me to be always connected to the intenet. In fact this is the first time in a couple days ive been able to connect...Ubisoft has no idea what they are doing

[Devast1]

The FAQ or Ask the Dev ( I don't recall), in their forum, mentions that you can do skirmishes while offline.

In any case it isn't good.

I just realized this was listed as a requirement. So if it doesn't change I'll be withdrawing my order.

[avidwriter]

Isn't this game multiplayer only? So you'll need to be online all the time to play it anyway, so...who cares if it has that DRM?

Really people DRM isn't the damn devil. If you really want to help, stop downloading any an all games. Every little bit helps.

[Devast1]

^ You are misinformed.

[omglolumad]

Stop siding with the publishers people, they lie and guilt you into feeling WE are destroying PC gaming when in fact pirates are not to blame. I don't pirate and nor should anyone else but lets face it, pirates are not customers, they're pirates. Stop shooting those who buy your games and start developers. Don't shoot anyone pirates or customers because pirates don feel bullets, only customers do.

Greedy Publishers need to stop blaming piracy for poor sales for their ♥♥♥♥ty games. Does piracy suck? Sure it does but is it the end all be ll destroyer of PC gaming warranting horrible DRM? NO!! NO NO NO!

Do not buy this game, don't pirate it either. Publishers need to ignore piracy like so many industry leaders have said. Piracy isn't the real issue, maybe if you actually mad games for PAYING customers we wouldn't have these issues. Use both hands to create your games instead of always using one as a shield against a false threat.

TL;DR Publishers are ignorant greedy bastards who feed you lies and refuse to face the fact that pirates aren't a real issue.

[Beos]

I like R.U.S.E and I won't buy it with this stupid DRM.

[krotch]

Isn't this game multiplayer only? So you'll need to be online all the time to play it anyway, so...who cares if it has that DRM?

Really people DRM isn't the damn devil. If you really want to help, stop downloading any an all games. Every little bit helps.

The game is singleplayer and multiplayer. Granted the singleplayer is nothing more than skirmish with AIs. But who doesn't want to learn units, unit structures, and different strategies before playing online?

As for DRM, most of us aren't exactly against DRM. We're just against Ubisoft's super restrictive form of DRM that keeps us having to stay connected just to play, whether online or offline. This simply hoses everyone who has either no net connection, problematic net connections, or whenever Ubisoft's servers go down (which is already has before).

And are you saying we're all pirates now? I've bought ever single game I've ever played (minus free games or arcade games). Sometimes I've bought multiple copies, just so I can have a mini-lan party in my apt. As a thank you, Ubisoft has screwed me with their restrictive DRM scheme. There comes a time where enough is enough. Want less pirates? Congrats, Ubisoft. You just lost one customer and gained a pirate for your games. Not that any of their games have been worthwhile recently anyways.

[RED-FROG]

I'd have purchased it, but not with this DRM.
It's a matter of being social. Not a matter of toleration.

No payed Ubisoft games for me anylonger...and I'm generally buying pretty many games.

[necroDarkling]

The new drm has notbeen cracked. The truth is that in order forpc gaming to survive,we will have to live with this type of guideline. It beets going to a console though. Also, Starcraft 2 is the same setup through battlenet. Single player connected via internet so add them to your list of boycots.

Are you actually that stupid or to you act that way
Slowly i am getting :mad: about all those Ubiboyz

In what Dream-world are you living just google UBISOFT'S DRM and site like this DRM Cracked (http://www.infoaddict.com/ubisofts-new-drm-cracked-in-under-25-hours) will pop up in the hundreds(and this not a rumor the DRM and every Ubigame will be cracked you just need to know where to look for it) and for the nitpickers you will certainly find what every DRM you are looking for will be or is Cracked already

Most of the People that are against the 24-7 online DRM or Pro-Pirate-System as i call it are against it for the always online Reason (FYI for singleplayers).
I have no Problem with a REASONABLE DRM like Steam or a Product Activation over the Internet

and just so you know starcraft-ii-can-be-played-offline (http://kotaku.com/5344013/starcraft-ii-can-be-played-offline) again unsubstantiated Rumors told as truth.

[necroDarkling]

I have never had an issue with DRM being intrusive or horrid and can accept the evolution of PC gaming (so yes I do get it). If the developers don't make attempts at copy protection then we will be stuck with bad ports of even worse console games. By boycoting these companies for attempting to protect their product you are doing nothing but hurting the already suffering PC gaming industry. Be positive about the situation and hope they can find a solution or PC gaming is dead.

Also,what you don't seem to understand is the fact that a year from now you will have no other choice on the PC, so three short words for you "suck it up".

So the please Explain to me why there are Indie Game Developers how to they survive ? why dont they use such DRM measure or DRM at all ?

[petteyg]

It's a matter of being social. Not a matter of toleration.

Second that. BioWare doesn't use this always-online restriction, and they don't seem to be having any problems. Ubisoft isn't losing market share because of piracy. They're losing because their games are low quality, and they're pissing on all their paying customers by not letting them play the games they paid for.

[BroflMouth]

In what Dream-world are you living just google UBISOFT'S DRM and site like this DRM Cracked (http://www.infoaddict.com/ubisofts-new-drm-cracked-in-under-25-hours) will pop up in the hundreds(and this not a rumor the DRM and every Ubigame will be cracked you just need to know where to look for it) and for the nitpickers you will certainly find what every DRM you are looking for will be or is Cracked already

I hate this DRM but I will correct you here, it wasn't cracked. That version of the game didn't work past a certain point, however now, every single Ubisoft DRM game has been cracked. Every single one in a perfectly working order, and there is a reason why it takes so long. I will explain.

The DRM cannot be cracked or bypassed, that is impossible. Because the DRM works like Guild Wars or something, it hosts important game files on it's servers that the game cannot run without. It hosts a lot of things, a lot of small things. Now somehow people get all these files off the server and inject that game info back into one of the game's files it uses to run the DRM that makes it so when it checks for some data it redirects it to the injected data in the file. This makes Ubisofts DRM hard to beat, and pretty much gives at least a month guarantee before people can download it and play the full version in a better version than the people that bought it.

No DRM works guys, and this is no exception, this isn't the first time Ubisoft has gone a little insane with DRM. Anyone remember the Starforce incident? It took over a year to crack but it ruined some people's computers (look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce#Controversy)). I was loving the look of RUSE but with it's DRM on it and a most likely superior Starcraft 2 coming out VERY soon (I wonder how intrusive Battle.Net will be?) there is just no reason to buy it at all.

If you can handle the DRM fine, just realize it is intrusive and that whether or not you can play your game relies too much on other people.

[necroDarkling]

I hate this DRM but I will correct you here, it wasn't cracked. That version of the game didn't work past a certain point, however now, every single Ubisoft DRM game has been cracked. Every single one in a perfectly working order, and there is a reason why it takes so long. I will explain.

The DRM cannot be cracked or bypassed, that is impossible. Because the DRM works like Guild Wars or something, it hosts important game files on it's servers that the game cannot run without. It hosts a lot of things, a lot of small things. Now somehow people get all these files off the server and inject that game info back into one of the game's files it uses to run the DRM that makes it so when it checks for some data it redirects it to the injected data in the file. This makes Ubisofts DRM hard to beat, and pretty much gives at least a month guarantee before people can download it and play the full version in a better version than the people that bought it.



Granted i simplified it. :)

[Philipus II]

DRM like the ubisoft DRM is useful to protect a singleplayer game. But ruse is a multiplayer game. For protecting mp games a serial key is the oldschool version of protection, but it works, too. For customers, serial protection is easy to handle and there is no chance to crack it. Piates can only play singleplayer and will miss the best.
The normal DRM often is broken after 24 hours, and even the ubisoft one in assasins creed 2 was dead after 6 weeks.
So, please, ubisoft- no DRM for R.U.S.E..

[BroflMouth]

Granted i simplified it. :)
Thanks for attempting to take my words out of context to try and support your rubbish understanding of DRM. The point is that there are pirates that are playing all these games right now, and are playing a MUCH better version than you or anyone else that legally owns the games are playing. And also, as I said just because it cannot be cracked/bypasses doesn't mean it works, bypassed would mean that someone found a way for the game to run without files it needs and cracked would mean removing DRM checks which do not exist here. It is just a matter of copying server files, which is easily done it's just because of the quanity of unique files that makes it take a while. Pretty much all that would need to be done is someone using a program that backs this stuff up and playing through the game doing all side missions, opening all doors and just doing everything possible in the game and than releasing the info he or she has gathered.

Feel free to try to change my facts (which they are). This DRM is completely pointless and I guarantee has lowered Ubisoft's sales more than it has increased them, however, and this is probably why Ubisoft continues to use it, it also has the potential to delay piracy. But I think pirates will rather wait a month or so for the best version of the game than buy the DRM infested mess that this is. As I said before though, this isn't as bad as the Starforce incident, although that didn't need an internet connection at least Ubisoft DRM doesn't ruin my friends computer.

EDIT: And if you weren't trying to defend the DRM I apologize but your post was pointless if you weren't.

@Philipus II, you are right. CD keys allow complete control over Multiplayer which is why they should just use that.

[petteyg]

DRM like the ubisoft DRM is useful to protect a singleplayer game. But ruse is a multiplayer game.

You've got that completely bass-ackwards. I shouldn't have to be online to play a SINGLE PLAYER game. There's ZERO reason for the game to need connectivity when there's nobody but me playing.


A recent lawsuit says that even the DMCA must allow "fair use". Search for "GE MGE dongle". Removing any game's DRM (whether that involves changes to the executable or additional files from Ubisoft's servers) - and using that game with the DRM removed - would be considered perfectly legal, since the DRM exists only to restrict usage of YOUR purchased product and/or service.

[noodlesoup]

Just thought id point out guys that its leagal to break / crack DRMs.

Its just a hell of alot more difficult to do it with steams own DRM infront of it. If I buy, ill be getting a retail copy and cracking it asap. Problem tho is that it may interupt online capabilities.

All this mess for something that shouldnt even be on the game in the first place.

[Philipus II]

Here in germany we don't have DCMA or fair use. Our "Urheberrecht" does not allow cracking software- but in fact, no one cares.
Cracking games is easy and we all know to do that.

@petteyg
I don't like DRM, too. But it's not my decision.
It could be the publishers interest, to use the strictest DRM in a singleplayer game. I'm not a software developer, i don't know the best way oft protecting software.
But for a multiplayer game, using strct DRM is just useless and stupid.

[xplay2.0]

I hate the DRM as well. But I am still buying... this game is just so fun...

[Philipus II]

As far as I know, ubisoft announced not to use the new high-end online DRM but only steam.
Nice done- so I probably will buy it:D

[OisinLoke]

Actually, no, they won't have the DRM on the steam version.

[ChaosBahamut]

Actually, no, they won't have the DRM on the steam version.

Actually the retail version will use Steam as the DRM as well.

[xplay2.0]

Actually the retail version will use Steam as the DRM as well.

lol for retail version.

[Wuzzi]

Hey guys ,

There are some news on this topic: when R.U.S.E. is released in September, it will benefit from Valve’s Steamworks API to offer the best community experience to players. Consequently, a Steam account and Internet connection will be required to activate the game, as per Steam policy. For this reason, R.U.S.E. will not use the Ubisoft protection. Single player can be played offline.


Wuzzi
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[Stelly]

Wuzzi
Follow me on Twitter at twitter.com/UbiLeak

Thank you for listening to us Wuzzi.

Now the only question remaining. Will you patch ACII, PoP and SC too?
Because I really want to buy them but not with the DRM. I accidently bought Settlers7 and you guys made me rage so hard.

[ICantShoot]

This is actually surprising news that the Steam version will not use the Ubisofts own DRM thing.

[acidd_uk]

See here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1397014

No UBI DRM! Yaay!

[OisinLoke]

YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME FOR PRE-ORDERING IT, YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME! D:<

BUT WHO'S LAUGHIN' NOW!

[acidd_uk]

The people that didn't spend £27 on a preorder that is still not out and still available to pre-order?

[mooneri]

I'll tell you it won't.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=t...678#7471048678

[necroDarkling]

YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME FOR PRE-ORDERING IT, YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME! D:<

BUT WHO'S LAUGHIN' NOW!

Yeah all the People that preorder while UbisoftDrm was necessary that invoked this change right (FYI IRONY)

[Falknir]

Now the game is worthy of my purchase without their damned broken DRM. :cool:

[BDNeon]

Game is officially on my buy list now. Thank god.

[Fluffpumper]

Game is officially on my buy list now. Thank god.

Yep I am going to buy it now too, I wasn't going too if it had the UBI DRM. So theres a win/win situation