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Boff
02-27-2010, 05:33 AM
(yes i know this should BELONG in hl2 as there is a thread there, but the moderator who thinks this should deleted, think that not everyone here CHECKS up on the original HL2 forum)

Basically according to the HL2 forum crowds the xbox360 achievements were visible IN the new steam user interface for EP1 and HL2. Now where this is just legacy code from the xboxlive system, or valve have got the updated planned (and in the near future) but they took it down in a heart beat, when people cottoned on. I can't confirm this, however the peeps on HL2 swear blindly that It happened.

Possible Ep3 news as in ep3 comes out and ALL the hl2 games are on the same build of the engine (ep3)

MyNameDidntFit
02-27-2010, 05:40 AM
I saw the achievements too. Didn't know they'd disappeared until now, though.

Interesting. I don't think an engine upgrade across the board is likely, but achievements may well come soon.

Sorce
02-27-2010, 10:15 AM
The only Achievement I've heard about Ep1 is a "secret" achievement that you get for only using one bullet. I haven't actually tried to get that one yet.

gorpie
02-27-2010, 11:31 AM
Since Achievements aren't recorded for Ep1 yet (unless you DL the unofficial mod for it), why would you want to try?

Here's a list (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Half-Life_2:_Episode_One/Achievements) of the Ep1 achievements.

Sorce
02-28-2010, 05:52 AM
Since Achievements aren't recorded for Ep1 yet (unless you DL the unofficial mod for it), why would you want to try?The same reason I'd do it if the Achievement was legit; just to try.

The only part I see being difficult would be when you're waiting for the elevator in the dark.

trenmost
02-28-2010, 07:29 AM
i hope they upgrade all HL2 games to the Orange Box or EP3 engine

gorpie
02-28-2010, 07:38 AM
The only part I see being difficult would be when you're waiting for the elevator in the dark.

Oh, crap. I am never, ever going to try for the single bullet achievement...

ge6a_101
02-28-2010, 07:57 AM
What's the point in having so much game-completion related achievements? For example the achievement "Watch Your Head!" is completely pointless. Achievements should be hard to get, and should give you a rewarding feeling, and not be achieved by every single player who beat the game. I'm not talking about the Ep1 achievements only, I mean all of the achievements in the Half-Life 2 series, and even from other game franchises.

backstepper
02-28-2010, 10:43 AM
I would say it is possible that they release graphic updates and achievments together. The question is will that be in any relation to Episode 3?

They did it with DoD:s and they will do it with the other games. I also like to see HL2: DM achievments but they can take time to do that until projects like Episode 3 are finished.;)

Pwns4you!
02-28-2010, 12:06 PM
I couldn't care less about achievements! I want developer commentary! achievements are just another excuse to replay the game another five times!

gorpie
02-28-2010, 12:08 PM
What's the point in having so much game-completion related achievements? For example the achievement "Watch Your Head!" is completely pointless. Achievements should be hard to get, and should give you a rewarding feeling, and not be achieved by every single player who beat the game. I'm not talking about the Ep1 achievements only, I mean all of the achievements in the Half-Life 2 series, and even from other game franchises.

I don't care much about achievements, but I think the ones that everyone's going to get because you can't avoid them (like, "Meet the Hunters") are kind of silly. Of course, maybe for that one some people need to cheat, and therefore they won't get the achievement--that would make a little more sense.

backstepper
02-28-2010, 12:15 PM
I couldn't care less about achievements! I want developer commentary! achievements are just another excuse to replay the game another five times!
How could i forget about the commentarys? I agree with you it would be awesome to have that for Half Life 2 as well as other games and i hope they do it and im sorry i even mentioned achievments when there is a thing like commentarys from the developers.

I mean it the way im saying it not that you think i just try to be sarcastic.;)

Sorce
03-02-2010, 04:23 AM
Oh, crap. I am never, ever going to try for the single bullet achievement...Wuss. ;)

I will probably put my fist through the screen at some point if I try it. Heh.

Lewk
03-02-2010, 04:45 AM
Possible Ep3 news as in ep3 comes out and ALL the hl2 games are on the same build of the engine (ep3)

This is what I've been saying for ages! I'm now black and blue in the face. It's most possibly [a] reason why Episode Three is taking so long.

sisterbliss
03-02-2010, 05:42 AM
This is what I've been saying for ages! I'm now black and blue in the face. It's most possibly [a] reason why Episode Three is taking so long.


would that not be a completely mamooth and also pretty pointless task though.

Lewk
03-02-2010, 06:15 AM
would that not be a completely mamooth and also pretty pointless task though.

Not necessarily mammoth, and certainly not pointless. They (Gabe, Doug and David Spreyer) have stated that they will update Half-Life 2 with HDR and Commentary for the PC. Proof that they still intend to do so has been confirmed by Gabe quite recently, he even stated they have intentions to add commentary to the original Half-Life.

As to how mammoth, all depends on how much they want to update really. Adding achievements and commentary is simple and can be completed quickly. Adding just a HDR pass over all the maps in HL2 is also rather a quick process.

The time consuming part would be going over each texture and model to increase the fidelity to a standard level across the board, and is in some ways unnecessary. However, Gabe has expressed that they would update all of the Sky-Boxes to a higher res and to add that extra HDR element.

They have also stated on separate occasions that they would add cloud support for storing both game settings and save files.

The only issue I can think of that is holding them out so long for this is that IF they update HL2 to the current source engine, they immediately would annihilate owners of the game who play it with directX 7 and 8 cards. They would have to make the update optional or find a way to cater support for those guys.

Updating the existing Half-Life 2 games to be standard across each chapter makes sense, and is so logical to bring out with Episode Three to really sell the epic saga that is Half-Life 2.

I'm CERTAINLY not alone when I say I'd want to play an updated HL2 with Achievements, Commentary, Steam Cloud and Engine upgrades, for exactly all of those reasons. Being the Half-Life/Valve fan that I am, I play through the saga from start to finish at least 2-3 times a year, not to mention playing individual chapters such as Ravenholm every now and then. Being that I also format my system every 6 months, I lose my save games and would certainly welcome that cloud support.

gorpie
03-02-2010, 07:26 AM
Wuss. ;)

I will probably put my fist through the screen at some point if I try it. Heh.

Well, if I ever find that getting all the achievements is really, really important, I'll change my mind. In the meantime, you can call me a wuss. :p

5killer
03-02-2010, 11:25 AM
Not necessarily mammoth, and certainly not pointless. They (Gabe, Doug and David Spreyer) have stated that they will update Half-Life 2 with HDR and Commentary for the PC. Proof that they still intend to do so has been confirmed by Gabe quite recently, he even stated they have intentions to add commentary to the original Half-Life.


It may not be pointless or mammoth to do it at some point, but why the same time as Episode 3? It would make much more sense to release Episode 3, then begin working on updating the engines. This way they can finish this part of the story and then they can take more time on it. I believe fans are anxious, for one, because it is a new Half-life, and two, it's the final chapter in the story. I could wait longer without details for Half-life 3, if they wrap up Episode 3 well.

raw_bean_uk
03-03-2010, 08:38 AM
Not necessarily mammoth, and certainly not pointless. They (Gabe, Doug and David Spreyer) have stated that they will update Half-Life 2 with HDR and Commentary for the PC. Proof that they still intend to do so has been confirmed by Gabe quite recently, he even stated they have intentions to add commentary to the original Half-Life.

As to how mammoth, all depends on how much they want to update really. Adding achievements and commentary is simple and can be completed quickly. Adding just a HDR pass over all the maps in HL2 is also rather a quick process.

The time consuming part would be going over each texture and model to increase the fidelity to a standard level across the board, and is in some ways unnecessary. However, Gabe has expressed that they would update all of the Sky-Boxes to a higher res and to add that extra HDR element.

They have also stated on separate occasions that they would add cloud support for storing both game settings and save files.

The only issue I can think of that is holding them out so long for this is that IF they update HL2 to the current source engine, they immediately would annihilate owners of the game who play it with directX 7 and 8 cards. They would have to make the update optional or find a way to cater support for those guys.

Updating the existing Half-Life 2 games to be standard across each chapter makes sense, and is so logical to bring out with Episode Three to really sell the epic saga that is Half-Life 2.

I'm CERTAINLY not alone when I say I'd want to play an updated HL2 with Achievements, Commentary, Steam Cloud and Engine upgrades, for exactly all of those reasons. Being the Half-Life/Valve fan that I am, I play through the saga from start to finish at least 2-3 times a year, not to mention playing individual chapters such as Ravenholm every now and then. Being that I also format my system every 6 months, I lose my save games and would certainly welcome that cloud support.

Actually you're on completely the wrong track. All that work has already been done, for the XBox360 version of the Orange Box. HL2, Ep1 and Ep2 all run on the Orange Box version of Source there, with HDR, achievements, and updated Vort and Alyx models, etc. Since at the time they released the OB the Source engine was capable of XBox/PC interoperability to the extent that they were able to have shared cross-platform multiplayer games of TF2 in the testing in the Valve offices (blame Micro$oft for that never seeing the light of day in the real world), it's probably only minimal work to port that effort to the PC. The bigger problem is the Orange Box Source engine dropped support for earlier versions of Direct X, and upped the minimum system requirements. Simply updating HL2 and Ep1 for everyone that own them would render some people unable to play them in ways that probably violate their consumer rights.

I'd imagine it's more of an issue trying to figure out how to package the updates as some kind of massive (all the maps need re-downloading for HDR) optional DLC.

Lewk
03-03-2010, 10:36 AM
Actually you're on completely the wrong track. All that work has already been done, for the XBox360 version of the Orange Box. HL2, Ep1 and Ep2 all run on the Orange Box version of Source there, with HDR, achievements, and updated Vort and Alyx models, etc. Since at the time they released the OB the Source engine was capable of XBox/PC interoperability to the extent that they were able to have shared cross-platform multiplayer games of TF2 in the testing in the Valve offices (blame Micro$oft for that never seeing the light of day in the real world), it's probably only minimal work to port that effort to the PC. The bigger problem is the Orange Box Source engine dropped support for earlier versions of Direct X, and upped the minimum system requirements. Simply updating HL2 and Ep1 for everyone that own them would render some people unable to play them in ways that probably violate their consumer rights.

I'd imagine it's more of an issue trying to figure out how to package the updates as some kind of massive (all the maps need re-downloading for HDR) optional DLC.

lol, wrong track? did you even read my post? I stated everything you just stated. My point was that its not pointless or mammoth, and that the problem lies on how they'd deliver it to us.

nightcabbage
03-08-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm CERTAINLY not alone when I say I'd want to play an updated HL2 with Achievements, Commentary, Steam Cloud and Engine upgrades, for exactly all of those reasons. Being the Half-Life/Valve fan that I am, I play through the saga from start to finish at least 2-3 times a year, not to mention playing individual chapters such as Ravenholm every now and then. Being that I also format my system every 6 months, I lose my save games and would certainly welcome that cloud support.

You are not alone Lewk.

STEELCITY32
03-08-2010, 05:03 PM
I got that single bullet achievement on the Xbox. The only parts that are hard are waiting for the elevator, and the citizen escort part. When your waiting for the elevator, you just have to keep a stockpile of cinderblocks. For the citizen escort, you can just keep using the rocket launcher. Oh and you can't really use a single bullet, because you need it to shoot off a lock at the beginning.

backstepper
03-08-2010, 10:38 PM
I would still think that they release it with Episode 3. If not they might just released when they finished it. Like they did with dod:s .

borsdy
03-09-2010, 01:48 AM
I hope they give us the 2007 source engine upgrades for hl2 and ep1 as well as the achievements after GDC.

seseorang
03-10-2010, 02:05 PM
The one bullet would be for getting the pistol and restoring the power and continuing on...(at least I think that's Ep1)

JXF
03-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Actually you're on completely the wrong track. All that work has already been done, for the XBox360 version of the Orange Box. HL2, Ep1 and Ep2 all run on the Orange Box version of Source there, with HDR, achievements, and updated Vort and Alyx models, etc. Since at the time they released the OB the Source engine was capable of XBox/PC interoperability to the extent that they were able to have shared cross-platform multiplayer games of TF2 in the testing in the Valve offices (blame Micro$oft for that never seeing the light of day in the real world), it's probably only minimal work to port that effort to the PC. The bigger problem is the Orange Box Source engine dropped support for earlier versions of Direct X, and upped the minimum system requirements. Simply updating HL2 and Ep1 for everyone that own them would render some people unable to play them in ways that probably violate their consumer rights.

I'd imagine it's more of an issue trying to figure out how to package the updates as some kind of massive (all the maps need re-downloading for HDR) optional DLC.

Look here http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/.
Less than 6% of people have DX8 or lower cards and I doubt 100% of those have HL2 and/or EP1. I would also guess that most of the systems with these DX8 or less cards are in fact laptops that would [in most cases] NOT be able to play the game anyway.
IMHO Valve should think of the majority of the player base and upgrade the games.
To solve the breaking of the DX7/8 player’s games all these people have to do is select "Do not automatically update this game" (Valve could do this by default for the effected games) option in Properties -> Updates for HL2 and EP1.

~JXF.

gorpie
03-10-2010, 03:24 PM
Look here http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/.
Less than 6% of people have DX8 or lower cards and I doubt 100% of those have HL2 and/or EP1. I would also guess that most of the systems with these DX8 or less cards are in fact laptops anyway that would NOT be able to play the game anyway in most case.
IMHO Valve should think of the majority of the player base and upgrade the games.
To solve the breaking of the DX7/8 playerís games all these people have to do is select "Do not automatically update this game" (Valve could do this by default for the effected games) option in Properties -> Updates for HL2 and EP1.

~JXF.

Hey--my current graphics card is, unfortunately a DX8 card. :p (I was sad when I saw that.)

However, I do NOT think Valve should make Ep3 to run on my 5 year old computer. If they release it soon-ish (yeah, right), the requirements should probably be the same as they are for L4D2.

backstepper
03-10-2010, 03:45 PM
I agree with you Gorpie. If it gets released it should or better would be around the requirments of L4D2.
I also hope someone drops you a better card in front of your door the moment Episode 3 gets released.;)

JXF
03-10-2010, 04:16 PM
Hey--my current graphics card is, unfortunately a DX8 card. :p (I was sad when I saw that.)

However, I do NOT think Valve should make Ep3 to run on my 5 year old computer. If they release it soon-ish (yeah, right), the requirements should probably be the same as they are for L4D2.

/respect on "However, I do NOT think Valve should make Ep3 to run on my 5 year old computer." - You know and understand the limits you have and don’t push them onto others that don’t.

I believe the requirements for Portal 2 and EP3 will be around the same as L4D2 though I wouldn't be surprised if they were a little bit higher.
Maybe a Multi-core CPU, 2GB RAM and a DX9 SM 3 GFX card will be the minimum in the not too distant future.

I personally hope they add DX10/11 support to the Source Engine as soon as they can, that would bring a whole new dimension to Valve's games.

On your GFX card problem you can pick up an old 6800GT [I am guessing you have an AGP motherboard] for as little as £30 on eBay - GeForce 6800GT (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=6800+GT) I had one years back a proberly the best AGP GXF card made.
If your PC can take a PCI-E GFX card I suggest a ATI 5770 (I got my wife one recently a monster of a card for it price/size!) or a old 8800GTS (the 512MB version) or better, either of those will play the newest Source games at a decent pace, my wife had a 8800GTS640 (1st Gen.) before her new 5770, and she played L4D2 @ 1440x900 at HIGH settings, though she does have a OCed Core 2 Duo and 4GB RAM so that would make a difference I suppose.
Anyway [I guess] you get what I am trying to say.

~JXF.

gorpie
03-10-2010, 04:47 PM
I also hope someone drops you a better card in front of your door the moment Episode 3 gets released.;)

/respect on "However, I do NOT think Valve should make Ep3 to run on my 5 year old computer." - You know and understand the limits you have and donít push them onto others that donít.

On your GFX card problem you can pick up an old 6800GT [I am guessing you have an AGP motherboard] for as little as £30 on eBay - GeForce 6800GT (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=6800+GT) I had one years back a proberly the best AGP GXF card made.

Thanks for the hopes & info, but it's time for a new system. My bus is a PCI, not PCIe, and no AGP slot. :(

@JXF - I used to say that Ep3 should be able to run on the same systems as HL2. Then I realized they had upgraded the system specs for Ep2. So I changed my opinion. :)

JXF
03-10-2010, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the hopes & info, but it's time for a new system. My bus is a PCI, not PCIe, and no AGP slot. :(

@JXF - I used to say that Ep3 should be able to run on the same systems as HL2. Then I realized they had upgraded the system specs for Ep2. So I changed my opinion. :)

If you’re getting a new system anyway I agree don’t bother with your GFX card.
A PC like this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-192-OK&groupid=43&catid=1444&subcat=)( they have a ATI DX11 PC for not much more too) will give you plenty or Source Engine kicking power for a good 3+ years [I am guessing on time frame, as we have no idea what Valve will do].
Or if you are planning to 'DIY' a PC and you want one to last a while [another 6+ years? lol] I suggest;
CPU: Intel Core i5/7 / AMD Phenom X4
Memory: 4GB+ of RAM
GFX GeForce 250 or ATI 5750 or higher
OS: Win 7 Home Premium x64
Anything else is up to you(if you want suggestions let me know, I will try to help).

~JXF.

nightcabbage
03-11-2010, 08:02 AM
I hope they give us the 2007 source engine upgrades for hl2 and ep1 as well as the achievements after GDC.

Me too... me too.

michael89
03-11-2010, 08:32 AM
Remember guys, that Source relies mostly to cpu.
Therefore it's ok, if you have good cpu, but dont have a high end - gpu.

nightcabbage
03-20-2010, 03:51 PM
No... Source relies more on CPU than a lot of other engines, but the GPU is still doing the majority of the work and will have the largest effect on your framerate.

slipperywhenwet
03-20-2010, 06:29 PM
(yes i know this should BELONG in hl2 as there is a thread there, but the moderator who thinks this should deleted, think that not everyone here CHECKS up on the original HL2 forum)

Basically according to the HL2 forum crowds the xbox360 achievements were visible IN the new steam user interface for EP1 and HL2. Now where this is just legacy code from the xboxlive system, or valve have got the updated planned (and in the near future) but they took it down in a heart beat, when people cottoned on. I can't confirm this, however the peeps on HL2 swear blindly that It happened.

Possible Ep3 news as in ep3 comes out and ALL the hl2 games are on the same build of the engine (ep3)

i think the achievements(AND POSSIBLY COMMENTARY?)will be out with the new UI, which most likely means when steam is added to the MAc, which means May.

Lewk
03-20-2010, 07:21 PM
i think the achievements(AND POSSIBLY COMMENTARY?)will be out with the new UI, which most likely means when steam is added to the MAc, which means May.

That's a good theory. Really good actually, we'll see the updates when they add MAC support.

But they've only announced a release date for Steam on the MAC. They even go as far as saying Portal 2 will be the first PC/MAC release for Valve. But it would make sense to release HL2 on the MAC on the same day as Steam, as they said people who own it on PC will have it on MAC free of charge... I'm confused.

TempS
03-20-2010, 07:49 PM
Hey--my current graphics card is, unfortunately a DX8 card. :p (I was sad when I saw that.)

However, I do NOT think Valve should make Ep3 to run on my 5 year old computer. If they release it soon-ish (yeah, right), the requirements should probably be the same as they are for L4D2.

Knowing you said later on you needed a new PC and everyone's suggesting upgrades for you, I'd suggest trying to put off the purchase of the new PC until you actually want to play something you can't, like EP3. Then you'll be able to buy way better parts for the money you spend and you'll almost surely be able to max out EP3 and many future games for some time after that.

I mean, if the primary game(s) you're interested in aren't coming out for some time, why upgrade now? :p. I'd at least wait for EP3 to upgrade, judging only by what I've heard so far in this thread. Then that PC you get in the future might even be good for running HL3 as well, who knows..

gorpie
03-20-2010, 08:55 PM
Knowing you said later on you needed a new PC and everyone's suggesting upgrades for you, I'd suggest trying to put off the purchase of the new PC until you actually want to play something you can't, like EP3. Then you'll be able to buy way better parts for the money you spend and you'll almost surely be able to max out EP3 and many future games for some time after that.

I mean, if the primary game(s) you're interested in aren't coming out for some time, why upgrade now? :p. I'd at least wait for EP3 to upgrade, judging only by what I've heard so far in this thread. Then that PC you get in the future might even be good for running HL3 as well, who knows..

LOL. I already can't play Oblivion or Crysis. But I'm having fun playing all the HL2 mods & maps right now, so there's no rush. I'll probably get my new rig this summer or fall. :)

I tried Oblivion. I put up with the extremely lame graphics. I put up with the keys not quite registering the first time I pressed them (I don't have a clue why that would be). I gave up when I experienced an extreeeeme sloooow motion attack by a magic user. Hey, if I want graphics like that I can play King's Quest 2 or something. :)

TempS
03-20-2010, 09:42 PM
so there might be HL2 and HL2: EP1 achievements to come with the new Steam interface updates and stuff? nice..... I'm hopeful now.

EDIT: Gorpie, I suggest playing through older games then until you're ready to upgrade. There's plenty of good older games out there to play to pass the time before you get a new rig. Some of the old GTA games are quite fun, available on Steam, and not very graphics demanding (I especially liked Vice City and San Andreas). You might also try Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. While buggy (and I think more demanding than Half-Life 2), in many ways I felt like I was playing some wierd fantasy version of Half-Life at times while playing that. The first-person combat in that game is so fun.. and its a cheap game too (9$ I think)? Dark Messiah is also on Steam. Loved that game.. You might also like Starcraft.. another great old game.

AXidenT
03-20-2010, 10:10 PM
Well since the Beta should hopefully be finishing around April/May, hopefully we'll get the updates then with it. :)