Differences between pc version and console version

[Fatality1963]

Here are the list of pc features in the retail full game when it comes out.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/features/53469/Just-Cause-2-PC-Interview


The PC version is enhanced in the following ways…

* Enhanced DirectX10 and 10.1 render path
* Support for 32Bit and 64Bit Windows 7 and Vista
* Optimized for Dual and Quad Core Processors
* Certified for Nvidia 3D Vision (Not available on console)
* Support for Window and Full Screen modes
* Enhanced for SLi
* Enhanced for Crossfire
* Enhanced for multi-screen setup (Not available on console)
* Full Keyboard and Mouse support
* Xbox360 Controller Support
* Enhanced GPU Water effect for Nvidia Systems (Not available on console)
* Enhanced Bokeh filter for Nvidia Systems (Not available on console)
* Increased detail setting (Not available on console)
* Soft Shadows (Not available on console)
* Soft Particles (Not available on console)
* Point Specular (Not available on console)
* SSAO (Not available on console)
* Benchmark Mode (Not available on console)
* DLC support via Steamworks
* Achievements via Steamworks
* Auto patching via Steamworks
* Ability to chat to other gamers via Steamworks while playing

[geckofish52]

very nice.
Ubisoft should learn from this, spend time making good, feature packed, optimized games for the PC, not crazy ♥♥♥ DRM.

[C0RR4D0]

shame XP isn't supported though

[Scared]

shame XP isn't supported though

Hopefully more developers drop XP. XP is almost older than time itself.

[Lumirel]

Hopefully more developers drop XP. XP is almost older than time itself.

I kinda hope all will start making games with at least Dx10 now.. Its really odd that many developers, including Ubi with AC2, having Dx9 for PC while Dx10 is live for quite long time.

[CeridwenOmega]

The 360 uses DirectX9, so it's not like ubi went through too many extra hoops to get it to work. It's less the directX version thats a problem, but rather depreciated system APIs.;)

[Scriptbr]

shame XP isn't supported though

Oh my god. It was at 91% when I read this.

*cancels download*

I totally forgot to see the requieriments, since I knew my computer would run it. But Windows XP is really getting old. :(

[Staquix]

i just played the demo on my ps3, it looks and plays alright but it's not as nice as the pc version. Besides controllers for shooters .. blah!

[CaptainDingo]

Hopefully more developers drop XP. XP is almost older than time itself.

Shockingly, according to Valve's data mining, more than 50% of Steam gamers still run Windows XP.

[runbmp]

Windows XP is used by 42.15 percent of those on Steam, with Windows 7 64-bit at 19.2 percent, shooting past both versions of Windows Vista (32-bit at 19.09 percent and 64-bit at 8.82 percent). The 32-bit version of Windows 7 holds 9.03 percent.

The quicker everyone upgrades to DX10 and closer to DX11 the sooner we will see more games which are optimized for PC and less DX9 ports which were made for consoles.

[MASTAN]

Latest Valve's data (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/) says XP usage is 40.33%, and later OSes (Vista + Win7)x32/64 - 58.39%.

[CaptainDingo]

By the way, has anyone noticed what the enhanced Bokeh filter does? It seems like it smooths out the motion/depth blur, but I'm not sure.

[james_2k]

yeah 'bokeh' is a photography term to describe depth of field blur. (theres more technical answers than that, but i cant give it to you :))

[CaptainDingo]

Ah cool, thanks. Was able to Google it and learn a bit about it.

For any interested, the bokeh effect is basically this (real life example):

No bokeh (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Faux-bokeh-original.png/125px-Faux-bokeh-original.png)
Bokeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Faux-bokeh-final.png)

I think it's a cool effect, so I'll keep it on.

[Menace]

Xp will be fazed out like Analog TV, upgrade now. Still miffed that Assassins creed 2 wasnt Dx10, -kudo's to Ubisoft.

And yeh, "Bokeh" option is the focal effect of distant objects being blurred to give the 'real' feel

[squidracerX]

Hopefully more developers drop XP. XP is almost older than time itself.

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...

Also on a side note, I think windows 7 will be fine, I plan on upgrading soon, but if you wanna whine about me (us) not having windows 7 for a mediocre game like "Just Cause 2", give us the crazy $300 dollars to upgrade and we will. Until a solid program that needs 7 to run comes out, many of us have great programs that might not run on 7 so we may need xp, hence its not worth it for us to upgrade operating system AND computer components yet. Give it a while - all of out "next" computers will have windows 7 on them, but we are in a recession right now folks....

[MikeHaggarKJ]

consoles doesnt have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buggy controls

[trek554]

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...

Also on a side note, I think windows 7 will be fine, I plan on upgrading soon, but if you wanna whine about me (us) not having windows 7 for a mediocre game like "Just Cause 2", give us the crazy $300 dollars to upgrade and we will. Until a solid program that needs 7 to run comes out, many of us have great programs that might not run on 7 so we may need xp, hence its not worth it for us to upgrade operating system AND computer components yet. Give it a while - all of out "next" computers will have windows 7 on them, but we are in a recession right now folks....
so am I a rich kid or an idiot? perhaps if you look around there have been plenty of good deals for Windows 7. many people, including myself, jumped on the $29.99 Windows 7 Pro deal. there are still places they have $40 and $50 deals too and you can buy an oem copy from any place like newegg for around 100 bucks.

if you have enough money to have a decent gaming pc and buy $50 games then you should have no problem spending $30-$100 to upgrade that old os.

[dacium]

Whats sad is that 14% of people are running DX10 GPU's but are still on XP.

Still, that means about 50% of the XP users can not simply upgrade their OS, they will need a new video card too.

So you could say that 20% of steam users do not even hard the hardware to run this game.

[Akiha]

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...
Vista hardly was a "bum", it was perfectly fine after the initial glitches were worked out, and more mature drivers written on it. I hopped onto Vista with my new computer few months after the it's release, and never had serious problems with the OS (apart from HoMM IV not working at all).

Win7 is largely just a rebranded Vista with some enhancements, and was a really good OS already in the public testing phases. Picked up my copy at £40 from Amazon when it was dirt-cheap with pre-order bonuses, and couldn't be happier.

Didn't have desire to return to XP from Vista, and largely hated working with XP machines after getting used to it, especially now with Win7.

[psychocamel]

consoles doesnt have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buggy controls

and you do?
sucks to be you

[gobbybobby]

windows 7 only just released and windows 8 may be released next year!

[MikeHaggarKJ]

and you do?
sucks to be you
how can a person have buggy controls? that doesnt even make any sense

[Joshmansss]

* Full Keyboard and Mouse support

Makes me laugh every time.

[flickenmaste]

needs XP support

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

most used OS for steam users is XP

new OS's suck

XP>Vista, 7

[trek554]

needs XP support

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

most used OS for steam users is XP

new OS's suck

XP>Vista, 7
stop being ignorant. the vast majority of those with XP dont even have a pc capable of running the game anyway.

[Neverpleased]

You know what really makes me giggle. Full Keyboard and Mouse support.

The controls in the demo are about as console as it gets pressing A (WASD movement) either moves your car 1 or 3 movement spaces to the left. Sometimes there is even a pause between the steering. I press D and it goes right, straight than right.

But seriously developers what makes me laugh the most is the parachute/chopper aiming. BOTH mouse and movement controls to move the parachute/helicopters? I use the mouse to look AROUND and see where I am going and movement to aim to that spot, I don't want to go hurling to the ground when I look down to see if I am gliding over the enemy base or not. I'm not a console player I can coordinate with both my hands at the same time. Also I can count above 10 :)

SO that is my major no buy reason. I freaking loved the demo but the controls just make it a no buy because half the time I'm in an awesome stunt/skydive and it all just gets ♥♥♥♥ed sideways due to controls feeling like there is a monkey pressing random buttons on a remote controller linked to my character.

Either include a free 360 controller, get a new demo out if you fixed the controls or say Hasta la vista Grant! (President on the 50$).

[Neverpleased]

needs XP support

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

most used OS for steam users is XP

new OS's suck

XP>Vista, 7

Win 7 actually out performs XP in German PC magazine tests, these guys can be trusted though because Germans are what you could call Pure Bred PC-gamers (WW3 already started Microsoft and Sony vs the 85% PC German Gaming market). IF something sucks they will let you know.

[vhold]

I don't like depth of field effects in action games. They're cool in cinematic cutscenes and non-action games, they focus your attention and put you in the character's shoes, but when I'm in control and there's chaos all around, it feels like my eyes are what should be controlling focus, not an effect. I'm really glad they let you turn it off.

[wazups 2x]

Vista hardly was a "bum", it was perfectly fine after the initial glitches were worked out, and more mature drivers written on it. I hopped onto Vista with my new computer few months after the it's release, and never had serious problems with the OS (apart from HoMM IV not working at all).

Win7 is largely just a rebranded Vista with some enhancements, and was a really good OS already in the public testing phases. Picked up my copy at £40 from Amazon when it was dirt-cheap with pre-order bonuses, and couldn't be happier.

Didn't have desire to return to XP from Vista, and largely hated working with XP machines after getting used to it, especially now with Win7.

I completely agree, Vista doesn't deserve all of the hate it gets. It had it's problems in the beginning but they were all sorted out.

Windows 7 has been great, I haven't had a single problem. I would never go back to XP after using both Vista and Win7.

XP < Vista < Windows 7

[gobbybobby]

I an still on vista. it works that's all I need. just cause 2 demo works great. I have gts 250 and an AMD 2.2 quad core.

[Raging Hamster]

On Vistax64 since release and never had a problem.

Moving to WIN7x64 just because I am setting up a home network with all new rigs and want them all to be the same.

I dual-boot vistax64 and MintLinux in my laptop.

[MikeHaggarKJ]

* Full Keyboard and Mouse support

Makes me laugh every time.
me to, best part is this game doesnt even have it

[loinbread]

I don't like depth of field effects in action games. They're cool in cinematic cutscenes and non-action games, they focus your attention and put you in the character's shoes, but when I'm in control and there's chaos all around, it feels like my eyes are what should be controlling focus, not an effect. I'm really glad they let you turn it off.

Yeah. It worked fantastically in Heavy Rain, but that was because Heavy Rain was one long cutscene.

[mHtt]

Don't forget PC players get to enjoy tweaks trainers and mods.

see: BOLOpatch: http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=20625714&postcount=5

and Black Market HackPack: http://mod.gib.me/justcause2/gibbed_jc2_demo_hackpack.zip

Also, we have FULL video support, in the form of FRAPS etc. Arguably better than the ps3 version, because we can edit, add music/commentary etc then upload to youtube.

PC version is always better, this is why PC gaming exists. Console gaming is the cheap little brother to PC gaming, LOL.

Oh yeah and I bet we can mod any aspect without fear of red ring or PSN ban. In fact Valve ENCOURAGES community development (see tf2). Even if the 1 in a million chance happens and Eidos bans you and somehow deletes ur access to your own HDD/steam aaccount!? ... You can still just download a full rip via torrent or rapidshare/megaupload. IM TELLING YOU PC GAMING OWNS!

[lolwutermelon]

Oh yeah and I bet we can mod any aspect without fear of red ring or PSN ban.

JC2 devs have said that they have no plans on rolling out mod tools or supporting mods, but judging by how easily gibbed was able to figure out how the game loads files... this game is going to be modded fairly thoroughly.

[PeaceFrog]

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...

Also on a side note, I think windows 7 will be fine, I plan on upgrading soon, but if you wanna whine about me (us) not having windows 7 for a mediocre game like "Just Cause 2", give us the crazy $300 dollars to upgrade and we will. Until a solid program that needs 7 to run comes out, many of us have great programs that might not run on 7 so we may need xp, hence its not worth it for us to upgrade operating system AND computer components yet. Give it a while - all of out "next" computers will have windows 7 on them, but we are in a recession right now folks....

Ignorance is bliss . . .

Just Cause 2 NEEDS Vista/7 because of the native DirectX10 codepath. You sound pretty bitter that you don't have any money for pretty important things like OS upgrades (assuming you use the comp alot).

[Alkpaz2]

"Mediocre game" ha! Seems like the reviews speak otherwise.. 5.0/50% is mediocre.

[thehappytech]

I play both PC and PS3. I love both platforms! I have pretty much all of the new games i.e. bc2, mw2, dragon age, mass effect etc.. I also purchased jc2 and have to say its a great game. I'm playing it on the PS3 really like the controls. Yeah it has the auto aim feature but I feel the amount of enemies on screen at times is appropriate.. Again I love my mouse and keyboard especially with shooters.. Well I forgot what my point was but I leave you with this.. Its a great game that plays well and looks nice on the PS3. I have no complaints. Okay more coffee now while I ponder what my intended point was.

[deadlybydesign]

* Full Keyboard and Mouse support
* Xbox360 Controller Support

It doesn't recognize my mouse's extra thumb buttons, unless they're bound to keystrokes, so I call shenanigans. :p

[psychocamel]

It doesn't recognize my mouse's extra thumb buttons, unless they're bound to keystrokes, so I call shenanigans. :p

Haha! Fair call

[pureobscure]

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...

Also on a side note, I think windows 7 will be fine, I plan on upgrading soon, but if you wanna whine about me (us) not having windows 7 for a mediocre game like "Just Cause 2", give us the crazy $300 dollars to upgrade and we will. Until a solid program that needs 7 to run comes out, many of us have great programs that might not run on 7 so we may need xp, hence its not worth it for us to upgrade operating system AND computer components yet. Give it a while - all of out "next" computers will have windows 7 on them, but we are in a recession right now folks....

Do you still have a Pentium III processor, with 256 MB of RAM, and a 20 GB hard drive too? It's a 9 year old OS for crying out loud!

It's about time the developers match their product to current technologies. Now we just need to make everything 64-bit and we'll actually be making progress. But you can keep your abacus, bro.

[Mofog]

Full keyboard and mouse support? Unbelievable!

[the_mitch28]

Yeah Vista was so awesome everyone should have upgraded to that!! It was so powerful Halo 2 needed it to run! (sarcasm). I'm glad you bought a new computer and Microsoft forced Vista or Windows 7 on there for you. Pat yourselves on the back! But i feel compelled to say - all you xp system haters shut up! Its too early to "complain" at us poorer folks yet. Windows 7 is the first viable option for change to our OS, and its only a few months old; give it a rest you early adopter scum! Everyone who has ever bought a windows product knows only idiots or rich kids "early adopt" their OS products anyway, (ie Vista sucked and early adopters got stuck with it), if you have money to waste fine, but for everyone else its a smart idea to wait until easily 6-months to a year into the OS cycle to upgrade to make sure its not a bum microsoft operating system or their lame updates don't cripple it...


Vista ♥♥♥♥s all over XP, sorry.

[Spectlaser]

GameSpot gave the PC version of Just Cause 2 a higher rating than the 360 version. 8.5 vs 8.0.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/justcause2/review.html

360 version, according to the review, has broken targeting, is glitchier, and has notably worse graphics.

[humantoastie]

Don't forget PC players get to enjoy tweaks trainers and mods.

see: BOLOpatch: http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=20625714&postcount=5

and Black Market HackPack: http://mod.gib.me/justcause2/gibbed_jc2_demo_hackpack.zip

Also, we have FULL video support, in the form of FRAPS etc. Arguably better than the ps3 version, because we can edit, add music/commentary etc then upload to youtube.

PC version is always better, this is why PC gaming exists. Console gaming is the cheap little brother to PC gaming, LOL.

Oh yeah and I bet we can mod any aspect without fear of red ring or PSN ban. In fact Valve ENCOURAGES community development (see tf2). Even if the 1 in a million chance happens and Eidos bans you and somehow deletes ur access to your own HDD/steam aaccount!? ... You can still just download a full rip via torrent or rapidshare/megaupload. IM TELLING YOU PC GAMING OWNS!

PC Gaming does own but most people don't care about that. They want cheap and easy (consoles), not expensive and tedious (pc).

It can take hours to download games from Steam. Even then you might not have the hardware required to play it and thus might end up spending a couple of hundred £/$ on it, then find XP isn't supported anymore or you need a new power supply to run the beastle DirectX11 graphics card you just bought. PC gaming is problem after problem. (I still love it and would never buy a console again, but you can see why most people choose consoles).

[exist887]

PC Gaming does own but most people don't care about that. They want cheap and easy (consoles), not expensive and tedious (pc).

It can take hours to download games from Steam. Even then you might not have the hardware required to play it and thus might end up spending a couple of hundred £/$ on it, then find XP isn't supported anymore or you need a new power supply to run the beastle DirectX11 graphics card you just bought. PC gaming is problem after problem. (I still love it and would never buy a console again, but you can see why most people choose consoles).

I'm sorry but this statement is ONLY true if you're a computer illiterate... But that's why there are consoles - a majority of people don't know ♥♥♥♥ about computers.

[PeaceFrog]

It can take hours to download games from Steam.

In the hour it would take most people to leave their house, fight traffic, go to Gamestop or wherever, come back, unwrap and possible install (PS3) a game, most Steam games would be downloaded and ready to go-

[Scared]

GameSpot gave the PC version of Just Cause 2 a higher rating than the 360 version. 8.5 vs 8.0.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/justcause2/review.html

360 version, according to the review, has broken targeting, is glitchier, and has notably worse graphics.

I hope they didn't drop the rating of the game because it doesn't support XP.

[Alkpaz2]

DarkDamo, they list it as a con.. also there is one post from the user reviews that was damn good.. Here it is:
"I will start off from the very thing that got me hooked to this game.
It's the map. This game has the second biggest game map ever created to date (I was told that FUEL has the biggest map which is 5,560 square miles)

Just cause 2 map is 37 by 37 kilometers. A couple of kilometers on each side of the square map is water, so let's go by 35 by 35 kilometers. Multiply 35 by 35 and there you go - you have 1,225 square kilometers of map to explore, give or take 100 square kilometers.

For the comparison, let's take the Fallout 3 map. That map is about 35 square kilometers.
The Oblivion 4 map is roughly the same size.
GTA 3 is 35-36 square kilometers
GTA 4 is 15 square kilometers
And I thought the Far Cry 2 map was huge. It's 50 square kilometers.
The ARMA 2 map was definitiely the biggest one before Just Cause 2 stepped in. The most important reason why i bought the dissapointingly unoptimized ARMA 2 is to simply explore the rougly 400 square kilometers map.

I remember wondering when I was younger if they would ever make a big enough map for a game which I could explore for days and days and days. I thought they finally did that with Arma 2, and despite the fact that I still could not play the game on maximum settings even when my rig should have easily taken on almost 2 ARMA 2's (According to the "recommended settings"), I still loved the fact that I could enjoy the country-side that I haven't been to in years.

The second thing is that we ACTUALLY have directx 10 in this game. FINALLY, how many more directx 9 games are we going to have? We have directx 11 already, so what's the deal? The directx 10 pretty much seals the deal and completes the game map that I still cannot believe they made. I also cannot believe that the entire game fits on a DVD, how the HELL do they pull that off? shouldn't the map this size be at least 30 GB? I mean Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventure is like a 30-35 GB game.

Well, the third thing is... Ah what the hell, you know the rest. Complete freedom of action, unrealistic stunts, the temporary to permanent abandonment of the laws of physics, infinite parachute, a hundred of drivable vehicles, easter eggs, the Hatch from the first and second seasons of LOST, the pleasure of having to spend 20 minutes just to fly from one end of the map to another on a stolen govenment jet, the joy of swimming in the sea (wish they had sharks though), the eye candy explosions that you never get tired off, the realistic driving of the vehiles (aside from the way they rotate in mid air sometimes), the realistic damage to the PARTS OF THE VEHICLES THAT WERE ACTUALLY DAMAGED IN THE IMPACT, I could go on and on about this game

Im also playing this game on IMPOSSIBLE and find it quite easy to beat. You just move constantly, shoot (There is sadly a default auto-aim option enabled that you cannot disable) and press "tab" or whatever you have to evade bullets. HOWEVER, a nearby grenade explosion is almost guaranteed to kill you, so for MAXIMUM realism, I recommend playing this game on IMPOSSIBLE

Im not gonna complain about the check point system, I love the checkpoint system. it makes games more challenging. Plus there still is a SAVE option, although it doesnt work in its original meaning

The story is blah. Who cares? Some of the missions that they give you though are somewhat original and a breath of fresh air from some of the repetitive GTA missions. However, most of those missions are, attack, kill, destroy, blow up, move on. It would have been nice if they added an element of stealth to the game though. It would feel great if could actually play as a somewhat silent or stealthy lethal saboteur. I would also like it if they imposed a penalty for killing civilians both on purpose and incidentally.

I know this game won't win the game of the year award since there is no real substance I guess, but unofficially, this will probably be the gamer's choice No 1 game of 2010. (I hope Metro 2033 wins the game of the year though, which I rationally know it won't)

This game is a pinnacle of guilty pleasure if I can say that. It absorbs so much of my time that I barely have enough time for myself, and its only my second-third day of playing the game. For the third day in the row I come to work late with blood-shot eyes. I actually prefer to staying home and playing this game all weekend and after that, instead of going out with my gf. That's how much impact this game had on me.

If you are an extremely busy person with a busy schedule, i do not recommend playing this game until you find some time to kill, otherwise you'd get the plants vs zombies syndrome, where you cannot stop playing the game and start missing out on life. But I guess, now it's gonna be the Just cause 2 syndrome

I don't want to get emo about this but I'll say honestly that it's actually games like these that make me sorta happy that I was born with enough luck and resources to actually play them, but I'm only speaking for myself here.

Until then, the most rational case for you is to buy this game, support the developers and enjoy it fully until your eyes bleed and your brain melts, since forgetting about reality as much as possible should be the just cause of all gamers. "

[Scared]

DarkDamo, they list it as a con..

Just because it comes up in the cons doesn't mean it detracts from the score (look at games that get the perfect 10, they have cons as well and equally as stupid/pointless as this one)

[Sabby]

I'm a PC gamer to the bitter end but a few things do bother me about JC2 on the PC. Mostly that when you shoot around a corner just along the edge of a building or something similar the game will often say your shooting the building out to like a foot away. This leaves you having to walk clear out in the line of fire in some places to shoot at the enemy. Granted I'm playing the Hardcore difficulty setting so cover is more important then other difficulty settings. Also vehicles in general need the ability to reverse, it's just asinine that wasn't included. Oh and shooting paratroopers chutes so they fall to their death instead of their bodies making their chutes disappear.

[Scared]

IAlso vehicles in general need the ability to reverse, it's just asinine that wasn't included.

It was. I can't remember the controls on the keyboard to reverse (should just be holding back/s) but by holding left trigger on the controller it will reverse (I use gamepad for driving)