Why don't squad leaders give orders?

[Keilious]

I don't understand why no-one gives attack or defend orders in this game.
It's not like it hinders you in any way, and you get extra points for doing things you'd be doing anyway. :S

Probably has something to do with 90% of squad leaders I've been with playing recon and sitting a million miles away from the objectives.

[Whist]

squad leader is everybody...anybody can give attack and defend orders...

or you can you know say "hey let's try to get A"

[dinky2012]

I don't understand why no-one gives attack or defend orders in this game.
It's not like it hinders you in any way, and you get extra points for doing things you'd be doing anyway. :S

Probably has something to do with 90% of squad leaders I've been with playing recon and sitting a million miles away from the objectives.

it would help if you said what game you're talking about

[bugeric]

I dont think every1 is SQ leader, cuz sometime i tried to give att/def order, it doesnt work, I think only the high ranking player in a SQ can give order.

[Whist]

I dont think every1 is SQ leader, cuz sometime i tried to give att/def order, it doesnt work, I think only the high ranking player in a SQ can give order.

I doubt I'm the highest rannking person in my squad every game, I always mark something, potential free points.

[Keilious]

squad leader is everybody...anybody can give attack and defend orders...

or you can you know say "hey let's try to get A"

Oh really? I could have sworn that sometimes it didn't work. Well that makes things easier, now to just convince people to stick together.

Thanks. :)

it would help if you said what game you're talking about
Bad Company 2. Though I played BF2142 ages back, and I had the same problem there.

[Batman Runner]

I think the squad leader is the first person who joined the squad
he can also lock the squad in the menu(with the little lock)
because most of time i can give orders,unless i join an existing squad

[dinky2012]

after so many orders you get a medal or pin or whatever. 50 of each, i believe (attack and defend)

[Awakening]

One of the pins is to receive an attack and defend order in the same round... I've done and received the orders MANY times, yet I've NEVER gotten the pin. Is this pin broken or something? It's basically the last pin I need...

[Keilious]

One of the pins is to receive an attack and defend order in the same round... I've done and received the orders MANY times, yet I've NEVER gotten the pin. Is this pin broken or something? It's basically the last pin I need...

I've gotten a stack of times by giving out the orders. The description is wrong though, you have to successfully attack (and capture) a point while under an attack order, and successfully kill one person trying to capture a point while under a defend order.

[placeboing]

In all the hours I've played this game, I still don't know when I have received an order, and I don't know how to give them.

I've gotten the pin for receiving them, though.

[Kalabalana]

How do you give orders? Press q on an obj?

[Keilious]

In all the hours I've played this game, I still don't know when I have received an order, and I don't know how to give them.

I've gotten the pin for receiving them, though.

If you can give them out, place your crosshair over a blue/orange point square/diamond, and press "q". You will give an audio cue "Let's all attack this point! (or something to that effect)".
The point will now have a reticle of four lines pointing to it of its colour for you and all your squad members.

[Beezy]

How do you give orders? Press q on an obj?

Yes.

It's not like anyone pays attention to your socializations anyway, unless you've spotted an enemy.

Rarely have I pressed Q on an engineer and he has repaired my vehicle.
Rarely have I pressed Q on an assault and he has dropped ammo.
Rarely have I pressed Q on a medic and he has dropped health.

I'm sure looking at an objective and pressing Q will do nothing, considering the people who are trying to get the objectives... well... are already trying to get the objectives, and the people who aren't... probably aren't going to listen to your cheesy socialization telling them to.

That is all.

[FstyMcBeefpunch]

only time i press q is when i see an enemy or to give orders to attack/defend a point regardless of whether i'm squad leader or not

[D4mnit]

I and my brother sitting next to me (1st and 2nd place in the server) tried to give orders last night and it didn't want to work. We tried with a clear line of sight to the flag and otherwise. It seems to not work randomly.

[Keilious]

I'm sure looking at an objective and pressing Q will do nothing, considering the people who are trying to get the objectives... well... are already trying to get the objectives, and the people who aren't... probably aren't going to listen to your cheesy socialization telling them to.

Other than double the points earned for every action performed related to the order, yeah. But people refusing to work as a team is a whole other issue.

I and my brother sitting next to me (1st and 2nd place in the server) tried to give orders last night and it didn't want to work. We tried with a clear line of sight to the flag and otherwise. It seems to not work randomly.

See this is why I think there is a squad leader, just not labelled. There must be a reason why it'll work consistently for you sometimes, but at other times, not at all.

[blin]

I thing we just need to give people some time.

Most of the ppl just jamped back from the MW2 and getting into the gameplay.

Adding this connection issue, so most of the ppl just want to shoot the gun, when they finally have the chance :-)

[cal5k]

Its a four man squad--you should know what the mission and objective is.

Do we really need more time not moving--after all half the other team is snipers more often than not.

[Keilious]

Its a four man squad--you should know what the mission and objective is.

Do we really need more time not moving--after all half the other team is snipers more often than not.

Huh? There's no reason you can't set orders while on the move, and why not? you get double points for everything to do while under a squad order...

[wes83]

I don't understand why no-one gives attack or defend orders in this game.
It's not like it hinders you in any way, and you get extra points for doing things you'd be doing anyway. :S

Probably has something to do with 90% of squad leaders I've been with playing recon and sitting a million miles away from the objectives.

There are smart players and average players.
The problem is high ranking soldier doesn't mean he is the smartest guy in the game who can assess what needs to be done during game play.

[watchmedie]

Yes.

It's not like anyone pays attention to your socializations anyway, unless you've spotted an enemy.

Rarely have I pressed Q on an engineer and he has repaired my vehicle.
Rarely have I pressed Q on an assault and he has dropped ammo.
Rarely have I pressed Q on a medic and he has dropped health.

I'm sure looking at an objective and pressing Q will do nothing, considering the people who are trying to get the objectives... well... are already trying to get the objectives, and the people who aren't... probably aren't going to listen to your cheesy socialization telling them to.

That is all.
I've chased assault guys half way accross the maop pressing q for ammo and they didn't drop any. :(

[LoGiTIC]

OP is right, I have gotten the Pin for Squad leader every Conquest after I figured out it gives out points.

[ZeroDarkHundred]

I give orders all the time usually people ignore them but when they don't it's free points for both of us :D

[CaptainTutle]

the problem with the socialize button is that it's barely audible in the heat of the battle.

I felt terribly sorry when I saw that a sniper followed me into behind the enemy lines just to get some ammo.

Here's what they should do- either do what they did in BF2142 and BF2, which is to show their request via chat, or clearly mark them if they need anything, just like when someone gets hurt and needs the medkit.

[AgentLemonLime]

Here's what they should do- either do what they did in BF2142 and BF2, which is to show their request via chat, or clearly mark them if they need anything, just like when someone gets hurt and needs the medkit.

If they ask you, on the minimap their arrow flashes a large a ammo or health cross symbol for quite some time. and if you look at them you can see it too.

[davep]

I dont think every1 is SQ leader, cuz sometime i tried to give att/def order, it doesnt work, I think only the high ranking player in a SQ can give order.

Ya everyone can give orders, but if you try to tell your squad to attack say B and it doesn't work it's because someone on your squad has already marked it. You can't mark the same thing someone else has marked.

[Happy13ee]

What I want is to know how or who is the person that is allowed to give the orders. My friend and I play and sometimes I'm able to give the orders and sometimes he's the one that can give the order. Then there are times when neither one of us can give the order and the other 2 people in our squad are not doing jack about placing the orders to get the free points.

I wish this game could just set a Squad Leader like 2142 where I was constantly giving orders to points. I hate sitting in a game when my friend and I can't do jack about giving the orders...I'm missing out on my 200 point pins!

[ryou]

I think the squad leader is the first person who joined the squad
he can also lock the squad in the menu(with the little lock)
because most of time i can give orders,unless i join an existing squad

ive joined a squad of 3 people and thought "why isnt anyone giving orders" clicked on the objective and it was me who was leader, it just seems to be completely random and half the time people dont know thier the leader.
They need a better system to show who the leader is, mabey a symbol next to the person kit on the squad members area in the bottom left.

[ryou]

Ya everyone can give orders, but if you try to tell your squad to attack say B and it doesn't work it's because someone on your squad has already marked it. You can't mark the same thing someone else has marked.

im sorry but thats not true, was in a squad with my friends and every round there was only one person who could mark the objectives, which changed every round.

[MutantMonkey]

I've gotten a stack of times by giving out the orders. The description is wrong though, you have to successfully attack (and capture) a point while under an attack order, and successfully kill one person trying to capture a point while under a defend order.

This isn't 100% accurate.

An easy way to get a defend order if you are capping a point by yourself is to wait until the enemy flag has come down completely and yours is on the way up. While yours is on the way you, if you mark that point, once it caps it will count as a defend order.

Doing this I can get 5 or so Order pins in a round.

[Nethlem]

Everybody can give the squad orders, the problem is that the objectives are "bugged".

When you look at them you will see that green marker telling you that you targeted the objective. But many objectives have 2 of these places where the green marker pops up. One of them is exactly on the letter of the objective and the other one isn't perfectly on the letter.

If you try to squad-order on the "not perfect one" it won't work, now if you try that serveral times the socialise button cooldown will kick in making you unable to give the squad order.

The reason why it doesn't work often is the same reason why spotting doesn't work that often. The socialize button cooldown.

[Harblong]

I'll give orders only when there's a possibility they'll be done. When someone is getting close to an MCOM, I'll stop what I'm doing and spam Q until "oh hay blow dat ♥♥♥♥ up awwww yeah."

Always fun to lay down 6 C4 and give the order mid-detonation and get those bonus points.

[Komsomol]

Would people do me a favour and do a defend objective order as much as possible :P

I have tons of attack objective completed orders but 0 defend. (for the pin thingy)

[Happy13ee]

Would people do me a favour and do a defend objective order as much as possible :P

I have tons of attack objective completed orders but 0 defend. (for the pin thingy)

MutantMonkey just gave the answer a few posts above yours.


This isn't 100% accurate.

An easy way to get a defend order if you are capping a point by yourself is to wait until the enemy flag has come down completely and yours is on the way up. While yours is on the way you, if you mark that point, once it caps it will count as a defend order.

Doing this I can get 5 or so Order pins in a round.

I'll keep that in mind MutantMonkey. The attack orders are easy to get...the DEFEND are not so easy. Thanx for the protip. :D

Oh, BTW...the cool down Q spot or socialize key doesn't even work at the beginning of the round when I'm driving the tank into the point trying to give the order to attack point "x" I think it's just totally random which is very annoying.

As I said, I'll make the order or if I can't I'll tell my friend that's in the same squad as me to do it at the beginning of the game. We're on TeamSpeak so we're not communicating through voip which no one ever seems to use anyway.

[ChillyWI]

I think giving orders only works after a delay on the rest of your squad/team's orders. For example, I target A to defend it. Nobody else can target A and repeat my command or switch the command to B until a certain amount of time has passed. Would be interesting if someone would test how long it takes, though. Also not sure if it's squad or team based. I'm guessing squad, but I can't be sure without having friends on other squads.

[Razoride]

I do the orders all the time. That's usually just before I see my squad wander off to different corners of the map.:D

[Chizu]

I give orders all the time, its extra points for doing what your told or people doing what you ordered, I just hit it over a thing and hope someone in my squad other than me is acting on that objective.
Unless I am playing with friends, and then we tend to actually stick together anyway.

I've gotten quite a few of the attack/defend order pins.

[Furious Dre]

When they have a key so you can voice chat with the ENTIRE team, people will start working together more.

"Whoever wants to attack B join Delta Squad"

[FocusPocus]

I give order all the time, I have a ton of attack/defend order in a game pins. It only works if you're the highest rank in a squad. At rank 31 some people higher level than me that dont give orders or know what spotting is kinda ruins the game.

PEOPLE LEARN TO USE Q FOR EVERYTHING, spot, orders, want ammo, want repairs etc.. yes I do listen.. ffs. How can you be level 31+ and not know how to play the game?

[Chizu]

PEOPLE LEARN TO USE Q FOR EVERYTHING, spot, orders, want ammo, want repairs etc.. yes I do listen.. ffs. How can you be level 31+ and not know how to play the game?

lol, the number of times I've had to chase down a friendly assualt, mashing q at him for some ammo, and does he? no. Not until he needs it. Serious fail.
People need to pay attention to people calling for support.
I've done the same with tanks, your tank is half destoryed, I am following you shouting "HEY I'LL FIX THAT" And they keep going and get blown up, when I could have at least kept them going a little longer.

[shotbirds]

I try to press Q but sometimes it doesn't work :/.

[andb52]

I try to press Q but sometimes it doesn't work :/.

Yeah, it's definitely bugged.

[Coupon]

We have squad leaders?

[Coupon]

Yeah, it's definitely bugged.

There's a delay programmed to the button. It's to prevent someone from spamming Q while spinning their crosshairs around the screen and spotting everything.

[TheBsEr]

Everyone can give squad orders in the game. You need to aim at the objective until you see a circling zigzag line around it, then HOLD Q to give squad command.

It's not pressing Q, its holding. Trust me.

[Chizu]

It's pressing.
But then there's a cooldown if you mash it too much, you can hold it as long as you like, it won't do anything till its active again.

[Happy13ee]

We simply need a dedicated squad leader period. I hate not being able to call out the order and neither can my friend. Instead we're stuck in a squad with 2 other players that don't know how to designate orders.

To be honest, I give the order for myself and the points I'm attacking or defending. I don't expect anyone to listen to them, but I know I will because I'm the one gunning for the squad attack/defend pins. I have plenty, but I would probably have double only if I was the squad leader designating the orders all the time.

Squad leader is not about rank...it's totally random from what I gather. In 2142 I was always squad leader for this very reason. Anyway, I want a designated SL for every squad. That way I can jump out and create my own if someone doesn't know how to give out orders to attack/defend points.

[Brimshae]

I'm sure looking at an objective and pressing Q will do nothing, considering the people who are trying to get the objectives...

Not true. If you point at the objective marker (the A/B/C with the orange box/diamond around it) it will get a green circle(?) around it, and your guy will say "Hey, let's attack/defend that objective".

Now, whether or not anyone on your squad is smart and/or perceptive enough to notice this.... Meh. But yeah, I've made quite a few points this way.

That, and spamming medkits and motion sensor balls.

I'd consider making a screenshot or something, but...

A> There is no screenshot function in this game
and
B> BC2 will not start for me tonight. Last night it would crash on the server browser.

Keep in mind, you have to have your crosshairs (or iron sights for you HC people) ON THE ACTUAL LETTER MARKER of the objective when you press Q.

The HUD marker, not the flag/mcom itself.

Example: (edit: I fail at IMG tags tonight)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4986/soc.jpg

Like any other use of the Q button, spam the f♥ck out of it with the limits of its cooldown.

[Menace]

I dont think having a dedicated squad leader will solve anything, probably make it worse in fact. Too many non team players out there just looking to get their own, more than likley this person will become the leader and that person will either camp or just not give orders period.

At least this way every1 has a say so to speak. If you DO happen to give the capture command it will have to be the people in your squad that complete it in order to get the pins.