BC2 and MW2...heres the deal. [Archive]

chozenmerc13

03-09-2010, 10:51 PM

This is a MW2 forum and i understand that there are a hell of alot of BC2 fanoboys that want to come here and flame MW2 because they got owned in it and thrive in another genre.

BC2 is focused more on vehicle combat and building destruction than on actual face to face combat...sooo if you enjoy that then go ♥♥♥♥ing play that game and stop coming here flaming the people that own you on a constant basis on MW2.

I have actually played BC2 on a dear friend of mines computer and i thought it was horrible...the only reason is because i didnt like the damn vehicle combat and thought that the actual FPS part of it was severely lacking. If you want to come and flame MW2 there are plenty of things that will piss you off when you get in BC2 compared to MW2.

Koraboros

03-09-2010, 10:55 PM

I am complaining, because you made a complaint thread about complainers.

nebenschwein1

03-09-2010, 10:57 PM

im pretty sure most gamers are like me: i play both and i enjoy both games for what they are. when i play by myself and want a quick short action romp i go play mw2, when i want more tactical gameplay and playing with friends i play bc2.

chozenmerc13

03-09-2010, 10:58 PM

noodlesoup

03-10-2010, 12:08 AM

BC2 isnt focused on vehicles and building destruction, its focused on teamwork. Pretty awesome for a gamemode with 4 different teams consisting of 4 members battling it out for the top score. Nebens pretty much summed it up tho, mw2 is pure arcade, and abit of a joke when you play groundwar and come out with a nuke half the time. BC2 is alot harder to rack up the kills and relies on teamwork.

I do prefer BC2 tho... god I missed bullet travel time and dip, something that was in cod4 but was stripped for cod6 to make it more console friendly.

KissYourKiller

03-10-2010, 12:13 AM

Lol, stop comparing these 2 games.

And BC2 isn't focused on vehicles and building destruction. Those are just 2 assests that make it even more fun to play. Most MW2 players would enjoy BC2 if they played it in hardcore mode, as that's a lot more like MW2. Both games are great. When I want to pay with more sqaud tactics and such I play BC2. When I wanna do a lot more rambo strait up deathmatch like play, well then MW2. I never compair these games except for when I see dumb threads like this. :)

Mastershroom

03-10-2010, 12:14 AM

I agree 100%...why can't we just each keep our own respective corners of the Internet? :)

Nelsonator63

03-10-2010, 12:18 AM

look, im completely unbiased, but here, theres three types of people.
People who think MW2 rules, is brilliant, and perfect. They are delusional. It is a highly flawed game, more flawed than most.

People who think BC2 is the greatest game created. They think it is better then MW2 because it has dedicated servers, and fully destructible environments, plus vehicles.

And people in the middle, play and like both. These people dont give a ♥♥♥♥ which is better, because they enjoy both. I am one of these people.

So ask yourself this, if you are trying to convince either person 1, or person 2 that either one's game is better/worse, stop, there is no convincing those. All you can do is accept each game is different, both a flawed, and play both.

Well thats my opinion anyway.

EDIT- there may be a fourth person, those who play either one, but respect the other game, and understand it may fancy others' tastes, and isnt a ♥♥♥♥ game, just because 'you (fourth person) doesnt like it'

KissYourKiller

03-10-2010, 12:24 AM

^agree. But every game is flawed in some way or another, this is part of playing games (especially PC games :) ). I personally think gamming has never been any better than it is now, because they ONLY get better! haha. Pz

Brain Dawgs

03-10-2010, 12:38 AM

I have no doubt BC2 is a great game, it's just not my thing.
I've never been into the battlefield games and probably never will be, MW2's faster gameplay suits me just fine.

EDIT:
@Nelsonator63 I'm that kind of fourth person you mentioned.

solidus90

03-10-2010, 12:39 AM

ok so i played and finished the single player for bad company 2 in 5 hours. the voice acting was average, the script for the dialogue was pathetic. this game had a terrible plot and more plot holes than mw2. level design was linear and how the game boasts destructible environments, yes nearly everything can be blown up but lets not get ahead of ourselves, there was only 3 different building designs and dice just kep using them with different textures. the gfx arent something to be lookup up to the weapons look like plastic kiddy toy guns, the characters cannot be taken seriously cos of their cartoon appearance and the general environmental textures just suck.

i dont see why people are making alot of fuss about this game its not that great. it has what 6 mp maps? mw has what 13 maps? the weapon variety in mw2 is better, better maps, better gfx, better voice acting and dialogue. only down fall is some imbalanced weapons and no dedicated servers. although during last weekend the bad company 2 servers all went haywire (source:http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/107/1075564p1.html) and i'm sure its not 100% balanced either. i'm no super fan of mw2 but i can clearly see when something is not as great as its cracked up to be. at least we didnt pay for a beta like bad company 2 and avp.......

i hvnt played the mp but i have talked to people who have and it has its share of crap aswell.

Hodgy1971

03-10-2010, 01:01 AM

Myzteria

03-10-2010, 01:08 AM

ser-pwns-a-lot

03-10-2010, 01:20 AM

i own both, and i have every right to complain abot the game i paid 60 bucks.
and lol at your "we own you so you go to bc2" argument..
i can take you down anyday on anymap with any gun unless you are like fatality or something =)
grow up.this game is good, but have lots of cons and flaws. nothing wrong pointing those out.
comparing mw2 to bc2? that's just stupid. what's next? starcraft vs age of empires?

sfade

03-10-2010, 01:41 AM

Each does what it does, which I play depends on my mood.

MW2 = Push Button Arcade twitchy shootfest
BC2 = Tactical Cooperative/Competitive warfare

BC2 comes out ahead as my generally favored game because I can actually be part of a server community and visit favorite haunts and play with a crowd of usual suspects. The lack of dedicated servers for MW2 meant it became a passable title instead of a must have (in truth I didn't buy it, it was gifted). It isn't bad, but neither is it great but that's just my own opinion.

I don't really grasp why people get into silly slap fights about which is better since it's all personal preference anyway. It's a bit immature, but I suppose that comes part and parcel with shooters.

zekk

03-10-2010, 02:35 AM

BC2 is a pretty decent game but it definitely doesn't live up to my expectations after playing MW2 (my opinion, don't flame me).

MW2 may not me a tactical or team-based game (I found these elements in abundance with people using mics on Search and Destroy) but its still a game that you can play and have a lot of fun.

Of course MW2 isn't perfect, and people are jarateed of the lack of the server browser, host migration and lag.

But if you are like me, and own/played both of these games, I found BC2 to be lacking in the hit registration field (unlike MW2, don't flame me, this is 20 hours of BC2 and 150 hours of MW2 experience).

If you need to kill someone with 8-30 bullets (thankfully, bullet damage is getting an increase) it will jarate you off in some areas of the multiplayer experience (you start firing at someone, they turn around and shoot a tube at your or get a headshot). I'm not complaining about this (sorry if it sounds like this) but the real problem lies in what I'm about to say.

The server browser lists servers nearby with 1-58 ping (approximately), but when you join a game, you get 150-350 ping for a nearby dedicated server, I get more when playing a game of MW2.

Start hitting sensitive areas, or people without the flak jacket upgrade. Here is how it works, bullets that hit the legs, you'll prolly shell out 6-8 shots before you take them down, 2-3 to the chest(5-6 if they equip the FJ upgrade) and one to the head, regardless of what you hit them with or what they equip.

Or you could play hardcore, in which pretty much anything kills you. To be honest, I have to give the bullet flight mechanics, and registration much more credit than the near-instant hit bullets in MW2 that usually have poor hit registration.

Also join servers in your area, most BC2 servers I join give me a ping in between 15 and 30(Houston/Dallas servers).
BTW what you were looking at, was probably your SOPs.
If ya wanna see your ping, run the game as admin.

But yeah, I agree to disagree, I think overall BC2 has all bases covered, since you can make servers for pretty much any taste, hell if you want more unrealistic gameplay ala MW2, you can set up a server with instant bullets and damage %'s on bodyparts, eliminate the resupply and only allow assault & recon classes.

But thats just my opinion and count it for what it is.

woodydotnet

03-10-2010, 04:12 AM

A buddy of mine has already put up a BC2 server, so I bought it last night so I can play with him and some other friends. I haven't played it yet, but I've spoken to him and others. All they can tell me is, it's different from MW2, but they like it. The big plus is servers.

It's been said over and over, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. If MW2 had dedicated servers, we'd probably be seeing less of this BC2 vs. MW2 discussion. MW2 is a great game that could've been better with servers.

Anyway, they're two different games. People can like one or the other or both. It doesn't have to be one is better than the other.

MaDeuce

03-10-2010, 07:19 AM

BC2 is focused more on vehicle combat and building destruction than on actual face to face combat...sooo if you enjoy that then go ♥♥♥♥ing play that game and stop coming here flaming the people that own you on a constant basis on MW2.

First, BC2 has a ton of face to face combat and I go entire rounds without seeing or getting by a vehicle. The fact that you've never played the game for any meaningful amount of time is pretty obvious.

That being said, unlike you I own and play both games. MW2 is a good game but fails with respect to IWnet. BC2 is a great game and it is suffering from EA master server issues that will probably get sorted out over the next couple of weeks. At least we've got some hope that it will be fixed as IW (or Activision perhaps) aren't going to fix IWnet.

yorkey

03-10-2010, 07:25 AM

MaDeuce

03-10-2010, 07:30 AM

If you need to kill someone with 8-30 bullets (thankfully, bullet damage is getting an increase) it will jarate you off in some areas of the multiplayer experience (you start firing at someone, they turn around and shoot a tube at your or get a headshot). I'm not complaining about this (sorry if it sounds like this) but the real problem lies in what I'm about to say.

The people who have issues with the time to kill haven't gotten the level 10+ unlocks. With magnum rounds or MMN upgrades it doesn't take a lot of bullets to kill someone especially when you look at the better guns. It isn't exactly a shocker that the crappiest guns in the game without any upgrades don't rip people to shreds.

This game is about the ability to death match an opponent. If you take a burst to the back you still have time to react so it ends up being the better player that comes out on top... not the player who was peaking out of a hole in the roof waiting for some poor sucker to walk by.

The server browser lists servers nearby with 1-58 ping (approximately), but when you join a game, you get 150-350 ping for a nearby dedicated server, I get more when playing a game of MW2.

The server browser vs in game ping is a known issue and it has been confirmed that it is a false reading in game. My server gives me 30ms latency without any hiccups and it is ultra smooth game play that IWnet listen servers cannot deliver.

Theclueless90

03-10-2010, 07:35 AM

Kids you heard the man , stop posting threads about how "cool" bfbc is .
If you think bfbc2 is the best... you don't have to confirm it here , instead post it there because that makes me think that youre Not happy with the game but you're stuck with it and think is the best even tho you know is not true

Falerix

03-10-2010, 07:50 AM

MaDeuce

03-10-2010, 08:07 AM

My main gripe is that they come HERE, to the MW2 forum, and boast/complain. I'm fine with comparing two games, it's in our nature, but don't come to the game's respective forum and start being an jack.

I don't start threads but if I see someone who obviously hasn't played BC2 start ripping it up then I'll point out that they are wrong.

Again, I play BOTH games.

streaky

03-10-2010, 08:54 AM

play that game and stop coming here flaming the people that own you on a constant basis on MW2

I own in both games, MW2 is crappy - but none of the reasons you gave have anything to do with the problems of either game...

BC2 is buggy, but you'd rather put up with the BC2 bugs than play MW2 in an ideal world.

Dunno what it is about BC2 but I've actually been playing MW2 more - even though MW2 frustrates the hell out of me.

My personal problem with MW2 is it could have been so much more, but it isn't and never will be.

Myzteria

03-10-2010, 09:17 PM

This game is about the ability to death match an opponent. If you take a burst to the back you still have time to react so it ends up being the better player that comes out on top... not the player who was peaking out of a hole in the roof waiting for some poor sucker to walk by.

In a real war, you don't have time to turn around and shoot the person attempting to aim at you. You die/cripple or get injured in real war, you die within a second, you're unlucky if you can live through a shot through the neck/head/chest, usually you will always die within a second or less (depending on the shot of course and the amount of armor one wears).

Camping can relate to ANY first person shooter.

The people who have issues with the time to kill haven't gotten the level 10+ unlocks. With magnum rounds or MMN upgrades it doesn't take a lot of bullets to kill someone especially when you look at the better guns. It isn't exactly a shocker that the crappiest guns in the game without any upgrades don't rip people to shreds.

You still have to consider the fact that MW2 has kinds of perks/upgrades that increase weapon damage aswell, but you should really think about the amount of damage a weapon does in BC2 and compare it with weapons in MW2 or CoD4 or even CS:S.

As I said before, I can't wait for the update to weapon damage, this game has a lot of potential and will be great once DICE fixes a few issues here and there.

KillJoY14

03-10-2010, 09:19 PM

heres the deal..

This is MW2 forum

Please see BC2 forums for any useful replies.

L4aYeR GuN

03-11-2010, 01:25 AM

I don't start threads but if I see someone who obviously hasn't played BC2 start ripping it up then I'll point out that they are wrong.

Again, I play BOTH games.

But you do flame the MW2 forums this is what you have said in a thread on the BFBC2 forum and I will quote you

"MW2 ♥♥♥♥ered it up big time and it was a poor idea from conception. P.S. I do flame the MW2 forums."

Taken from the "You have been kicked by an administrator" thread

or were you being sarcastic?

L4aYeR GuN

03-11-2010, 01:36 AM

have to say i do enjoy both as they are so different. I am fed up of reading about how one game fails and the other was awesome. No matter which way round it was it's getting old now :D both games are pretty smart, if you don't enjoy one then thats fair enough :) but shhh now :D

+1 rep to You sir You have the correct view and everbody on both sides should take heed to what you have said

And I too have both games

yorkey

03-11-2010, 02:15 AM

+1 rep to You sir You have the correct view and everbody on both sides should take heed to what you have said

And I too have both games

hehe thank you very much :)

For too long have these two games been compared, yes they are both FPS BUT they both run very differently.

MW2 is an arcade shooter, it's a great game where you build up your kit and levels earning callsigns. They have objective games but it's very much a 'solo' multiplayer game. It's more quick fire and knowing your gun and maps that gives you the edge in this game.

BC2 is completely different, it feels different, it plays different and it looks very different.
This game is more about stragey, teamwork etc you can't equip yourself and go running off like a headless chicken like in mw2 (which isn't a bad thing, is alot of fun) You really need to think about what your doing. Trust me, coming from mw2 into this it was a real shock. Suddenly you can't afford to be out in the open and each game is based on your tream working together using different classes to get you to your objective.
Here you have transport, tanks etc and other aspects like medics throwing repairs at you, engineers working on fixing stuff all aspects you don't get in mw2.

So depending on your mood depends on the game i think. If you fancy going round getting kill after kill and having quick fun then mw2 is your game. If you want more tactic style fun where working with your mates all counts to your success then whack on bc2 :D

both awesome games just stop comparing them please :D

MaDeuce

03-11-2010, 07:05 AM

In a real war, you don't have time to turn around and shoot the person attempting to aim at you. You die/cripple or get injured in real war, you die within a second, you're unlucky if you can live through a shot through the neck/head/chest, usually you will always die within a second or less (depending on the shot of course and the amount of armor one wears).

Camping can relate to ANY first person shooter.

Breaking News: Neither MW2 or BC2 are war simulators... they are arcade games.

Also, I've been in real war and I have no interest in either MW2 or BC2 being like real war. I can promise you it wouldn't be nearly as interesting or fun to see sucking chest wounds and massive tissue damage from tumbling rounds ripping through peoples bodies... while they lie there for an eternity screaming in pain.

You still have to consider the fact that MW2 has kinds of perks/upgrades that increase weapon damage aswell, but you should really think about the amount of damage a weapon does in BC2 and compare it with weapons in MW2 or CoD4 or even CS:S.

As I said before, I can't wait for the update to weapon damage, this game has a lot of potential and will be great once DICE fixes a few issues here and there.

Last night, with the M416 (red dot scope, magnum rounds) I was consistently taking people down in two three shot bursts... and not ever round was landing. That is plenty fast enough... that game doesn't need any tweaking.

Joshmansss

03-11-2010, 07:27 AM

This is a MW2 forum and i understand that there are a hell of alot of BC2 fanoboys that want to come here and flame MW2 because they got owned in it and thrive in another genre.

MW2 & BFBC2 are the same genre, lol, Modern day combat. ;)

Meatex

03-11-2010, 08:00 AM

personally i enjoy and get very frustrated by both games
like what the more mature people on this forum have been saying both have issues with some parts but also beat the other one down with other parts.
And really apart from being fps and moderny they don't share a lot in common when it comes to gameplay and feel.
No if the recently fired heads of infinity ward were to team up with dice to make the next battlefield...

Zefar

03-11-2010, 08:56 AM

Since BC2 came out I haven't really started up MW2. Only because in BC2 I got dedicated servers and can players hours upon hours without having to change server. Look for a new server.

Sure the ping in the server browser is bugged for the moment but once it gets better. I get to pick from several hundreds servers with low ping.

Something MW2 can only dream about.

MutantMonkey

03-11-2010, 10:12 AM

Another good thing about BC2 vs MW2:

http://kotaku.com/5491066/bad-company-2-borrows-modern-warfare-2s-marketing

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 joins Infinity Ward's fight against "mapathy" on March 30, unlocking its second set of VIP maps on the same day that Modern Warfare 2's first map pack drops - only Battlefield's maps are free.

That's the point being driven home in a post on the Battlefield: Bad Company 2 website titled "How to avoid "mapathy" without paying." It's a riff on the fictional affliction Infinity Ward used on Tuesday to announce the March 30 release date for the first Modern Warfare 2 map pack, poking fun at Activision for charging for the downloadable content while EA gives it out for free.

VIP members will be able to expand on the deep and ever changing sandbox experience, which in itself provides near endless hours of entertainment, by having new content to keep things fresh. It also plays a vital part in making sure you, the players get proper value for the money you've invested in Battlefield: Bad Company 2. This is why these map packs are available at no extra cost, contradicting the industry standard and what our direct competitors are doing. Of course, it also helps avoid segmenting the community, making sure everyone can play together having the same maps available. There will be future paid downloadable content as well but these packs will focus on expanding other parts of the game experience rather than the selection of maps available for the basic game modes. We're dedicated to taking care of this product for a long time – helping you avoid "mapathy" without getting nickel-and-dimed.
Of course the Bad Company 2 VIP downloadable content is already on the game disc, and only provided free to purchasers of new copies. The VIP pass included in the retail release can be purchased for $15 separately, which entitles players to the free content.

Still, it's fun to see a company grab the ball from a competitor and run with it, and whenever a company speaks out against "mapathy," it's the ones suffering from this horrible disease that win, probably.

How to avoid "mapathy" without paying! [Battlefield: Bad Company 2 - Thanks Fabien!]

z0rpy

03-11-2010, 10:20 AM

Personally, having had both games for a decent amount of time, I have more fun with MW2. BC2 makes me feel too insignificant, as it is I only play Free For All on MW2 anyway, guess I'm just not much of a fan of teams.

Joshua Smith

03-11-2010, 10:55 AM

I buy all games that are worth a ♥♥♥♥, lol get on my level :p

df-shorty

03-11-2010, 11:03 AM

This is a MW2 forum and i understand that there are a hell of alot of BC2 fanoboys that want to come here and flame MW2 because they got owned in it and thrive in another genre.

I stopped reading here, this topic is pointless.

Fruitynuts

03-11-2010, 11:03 AM

BC2 = Tactical Cooperative/Competitive warfare

That made me lol................ :)

CellBlock1138

03-11-2010, 11:26 AM

look, im completely unbiased, but here, theres three types of people.

And then the rest of your post is a glaring exhibition of your bias? Way to go Fox News....

Tool

Myzteria

03-12-2010, 12:30 AM

Breaking News: Neither MW2 or BC2 are war simulators... they are arcade games.

Also, I've been in real war and I have no interest in either MW2 or BC2 being like real war. I can promise you it wouldn't be nearly as interesting or fun to see sucking chest wounds and massive tissue damage from tumbling rounds ripping through peoples bodies... while they lie there for an eternity screaming in pain.

Last night, with the M416 (red dot scope, magnum rounds) I was consistently taking people down in two three shot bursts... and not ever round was landing. That is plenty fast enough... that game doesn't need any tweaking.

I'm not sure whether I would think THAT would be interesting or not, but that was rather harsh, since the first Battlefield game, the game tries to be a real-to-life experience (I've played all Battlefield games since Codename Eagle). And I think you've misjudged me, BC2 or MW2 neither have to be SIMULATORS, I just pumping a clip into the enemies' stomach in order for them to die, to be realistic (hardcore is a tonne of fun).

If you would compare that to anyone's original or default loadouts, that would be rather imbalanced.