This game is dying

[chocoladeletter]

I see less and less servers in my browser-list. The people that are actually playing are not really playing the game, they are just spamming M14.

I mean come on...

Looking at it, the game is already dead. I dont think a new patch will revive the game because too many players have migrated to other games.

The game is like a dead Zed. Cannot be revived anymore.

It's sad that Tripwire waited to long with releasing a new patch.

[Saijin_Naib]

:yawn:
Troll is out of the cave :\

[CannibalBob]

Another free weekend would be a big hit, you'll see.

[LuigiFan]

i still like it

[Garionepsilon]

I still play it althought granted there's only like one or two servers doing 10-wave games without bucketloads of lag.

But a game is dead when nobody finds it fun anymore. That is yet to happen.

[RaranTroff]

A new patch will revive the game for me if it does the following.

1. Make leveling perks way less grindy.
2. Make the difference between easy and normal way less. Normal is impossible to solo play unless you have leveled up perks. Easy is way too easy and grinding easy to level perks makes me want to punch babies.

I like the game but fun/grind factor is way too heavy on the grind side. I am sure the game is a blast with level 6 perks and such but I gave up hope a long time ago on even seeing one perk hit level 6 let alone multiple perks.

[Baloban]

There can of course be many theories. And i have one.

KF superceded TWI´s expectations of sales and thus the money have been able to make TWI feel comfortable.

The momentarily craving has been quenched and former stress to promote a selected game is no longer necessary.

KF has served it´s purpose moneywise and so KF can be handled with tranquility from now on.

No matter how much a dedicated KF-fan, like myself, can feel frustration, i can still think of this again "KF has served it´s purpose to TWI".

TWI may not need to be stressed about KF anymore and if they do so, then we KF-fans have won the struggle. I hope we do!?

[KayossZero]

A new patch will revive the game for me if it does the following.

1. Make leveling perks way less grindy.
2. Make the difference between easy and normal way less. Normal is impossible to solo play unless you have leveled up perks. Easy is way too easy and grinding easy to level perks makes me want to punch babies.

I like the game but fun/grind factor is way too heavy on the grind side. I am sure the game is a blast with level 6 perks and such but I gave up hope a long time ago on even seeing one perk hit level 6 let alone multiple perks.

You can use level guides to get level 6 *relatively* quickly or there's cheats to make it even easier. However I agree the grinding is a bit ridiculous for players who try to play as legit as possible.

[Mashke]

It's not dying, your server browser is broken

[Mixon.pl]

The game is like a dead Zed. Cannot be revived anymore. That's a beautiful metaphore.

[CannibalBob]

A new patch will revive the game for me if it does the following.

1. Make leveling perks way less grindy.
2. Make the difference between easy and normal way less. Normal is impossible to solo play unless you have leveled up perks. Easy is way too easy and grinding easy to level perks makes me want to punch babies.

I like the game but fun/grind factor is way too heavy on the grind side. I am sure the game is a blast with level 6 perks and such but I gave up hope a long time ago on even seeing one perk hit level 6 let alone multiple perks.

Personally I disagree and that those design decisions would make the game less fun in the long run (for me).
The inherent problem with leveling is that it will eventually end and you'll lose interest. I've seen it happen in games that have very shallow gameplay - once you max out, you just don't want to play. KF doesn't have that problem since the gameplay is just so fun and satisfying.

The problem is the gameplay does get stale after a while. There is only 1 game mode, balance is questionable (playing weak classes is not appealing) and there really is no reason to replay maps you have beaten on suicidal.
The achievements are nice and they're challenging, while attainable, but again - once you get 'em, there's no reason to re-do it.
It's been suggested a lot but a new gameplay mode would be great; tie it with achievements, leveling, etc. so it fits in nicely. Defense Alliance was a nice surprise but, it's a mod and feels "detached" from KF.
Leaderboards would go a long way, too - especially if there were personal records that you can try to beat, as well as competitions and rewards (achievements, skins etc)
L4D2 and Madballs have a great system going - each week, there is something unique offered. L4D2 has "Mutations", where a slightly different game mode is available. Madballs offers a skin each week for certain gameplay time. KF could benefit from this - Each week, a certain mutator gives achievement progress. For example, play Poundamonium on Suicidal Long to get an achievement... or new mutators that restrict your class/weapon. Imagine trying to beat Office on suicidal when everyone is a berzerker.

[ValenAlvern]

I just saw 150 games with no pass/VAC on/Perks On/No Full/No Empty Thats a lot of games, with everything clean theres over 500 servers running.

[Twiz]

Try harder with your trolling, you'll get to it eventually.

[Ebay]

Try harder with your trolling, you'll get to it eventually.

These days, I can't find more than 10 suicidal servers that aren't empty or full, and most have a ping over 100.

[Spoolooni]

recently there has been a masterserver issue, this might bring the game even further down some more.

[d10sfan]

This is the same person that says the game is terribly broken.

The game is not broken and it isnt dying. Hopefully they update the game again but it still has alot of people playing it.

[RaranTroff]

Personally I disagree and that those design decisions would make the game less fun in the long run (for me).
The inherent problem with leveling is that it will eventually end and you'll lose interest. I've seen it happen in games that have very shallow gameplay - once you max out, you just don't want to play. KF doesn't have that problem since the gameplay is just so fun and satisfying.

The problem is the gameplay does get stale after a while. There is only 1 game mode, balance is questionable (playing weak classes is not appealing) and there really is no reason to replay maps you have beaten on suicidal.
The achievements are nice and they're challenging, while attainable, but again - once you get 'em, there's no reason to re-do it.
It's been suggested a lot but a new gameplay mode would be great; tie it with achievements, leveling, etc. so it fits in nicely. Defense Alliance was a nice surprise but, it's a mod and feels "detached" from KF.
Leaderboards would go a long way, too - especially if there were personal records that you can try to beat, as well as competitions and rewards (achievements, skins etc)
L4D2 and Madballs have a great system going - each week, there is something unique offered. L4D2 has "Mutations", where a slightly different game mode is available. Madballs offers a skin each week for certain gameplay time. KF could benefit from this - Each week, a certain mutator gives achievement progress. For example, play Poundamonium on Suicidal Long to get an achievement... or new mutators that restrict your class/weapon. Imagine trying to beat Office on suicidal when everyone is a berzerker.

You probably like to grind and get things over time. I can appreciate that. I will grind for a bit than get really tired of it, I will then quit playing for months on end till I am hard up for entertainment. Rinse and repeat. Its just that after 3 or so the perks become a royal pita to even make minimal progress. Making leveling easier would make the game more fun. Whats wrong with fun? I don't find endless treadmill grinds fun.

[LuigiFan]

These days, I can't find more than 10 suicidal servers that aren't empty or full, and most have a ping over 100.

loads of people in normal over here

[turtlesoup]

You probably like to grind and get things over time. I can appreciate that. I will grind for a bit than get really tired of it, I will then quit playing for months on end till I am hard up for entertainment. Rinse and repeat. Its just that after 3 or so the perks become a royal pita to even make minimal progress. Making leveling easier would make the game more fun. Whats wrong with fun? I don't find endless treadmill grinds fun.

rank means nothing as long as you play on the proper servers. you can be ready for suicidal before ever getting anywhere near level 6, or you can max everything out and still be incompetent on normal. it's only a grind when you don't actually like the game, which means you should probably stop playing it.

[Zaqq]

We need new DLC. With new weapons, features, maps, bugfixes etc.

[hal859]

rank means nothing as long as you play on the proper servers. you can be ready for suicidal before ever getting anywhere near level 6, or you can max everything out and still be incompetent on normal. it's only a grind when you don't actually like the game, which means you should probably stop playing it.

This ^

/10chars

[CannibalBob]

You probably like to grind and get things over time. I can appreciate that. I will grind for a bit than get really tired of it, I will then quit playing for months on end till I am hard up for entertainment. Rinse and repeat. Its just that after 3 or so the perks become a royal pita to even make minimal progress. Making leveling easier would make the game more fun. Whats wrong with fun? I don't find endless treadmill grinds fun.

Wow I don't know what the hell I was talking about; I misread your post as saying there should be more grind/levels, not less :p

But yes, I agree; grind sucks and should be mitigated. KF, imo, did a pretty good job with it since, from my experience, my in-game skill flowed nicely with my level and also noted that level isn't everything when it comes to survival. I can understand how someone who plays more games than me would get frustrated by being 'held back' by their low levels, though, and agree that additional methods to level up faster would be pretty cool.

Since some of KF's achievements are pretty hard (such as Suicidal Office, for example), earning extra level progress by doing those achievements would make sense.

[dano_88]

i personaly really like the game and I've had it since Nov. i have lvl 6 support and SharpShooter along with lvl 5 med and commando. i suppose i'll lose interest as my perks progress more, but with the new maps and mods(thanks to those of you who supply them) i can see my self playing KF for a long time to come...because yes, it takes FOREVER to get through the lower levels and even longer through the higher. and i can always find plenty of servers with low ping on the West Coast(granted it's no 3am o_O)

[Suomis]

I play on private servers with a friend, meaning that the game is dead when me and my friends say it is dead.

[Amander]

I play on private servers with a friend, meaning that the game is dead when me and my friends say it is dead.Can I play with you then?

[mezmer]

Can I play with you then?
Well, I'm hosting it. Probably you can. Depends on your location

[Suomis]

Can I play with you then?

Why not, what lvl perks and from where?

Well, I'm hosting it. Probably you can. Depends on your location

And where the hell did you come from mez :D

[Amander]

Central Europe
No really, I'd like to play some suicidal games, the server browser doesn't have any decent at most times.
As for the perks, level 5 everything, support almost 6.

[Suomis]

We usually play hard and suiccidal. We have never passed suiccidal though :s The furthest weve made is wave 7 or 8. Im lvl 6 commando, mez is ss.

[Amander]

Well, tell me when you're going to play suicidal the next time and I'll be happy to join.

[Suomis]

Well, tell me when you're going to play suicidal the next time and I'll be happy to join.

PM me your steam Id, Ill add you.

[Baloban]

Maybe this game is dying for some.

And maybe i am just braindead with +1400 hours of gameplay?

Why cant i stop playing?

What was the underlying reason to create KF?

To steal my sleep so i wake up late and be called a nerd at work?

Well, i dont cry!

Uahahahahaha! Uahahahaha! Uahahahaha! ( Like Dr. Evil from Austin Powers. Funny dude. I am funny too, sometimes. I think? )

[Walter Matthau]

Love this game, but I've had a crippling mapchange crash for months with no fix in sight! I miss playing KF, but don't wanna have to cold reboot my machine every map.

[nihilius]

i only see about 30 servers on the browser...tried to fix it, checked all the posts about troubleshooting and nothing.

bleh :(

[gusone]

This game is dieng.

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=33071&highlight=game+dieng

[Bullett00th]

oh no... i got this game just recently and i'm loving it and i'm planning to get my friends to buy it. wanna see a dying game? check UT3's servers :(

KF ALWAYS has people playing, which got me surprised because its repetitive and survival only. yet i love it

[gamemann]

I love the game still, even though they should make a new patch that let's add attachments to your guns such a reddot for like alot of guns and they should add turrets to shoot from + more guns and zombies! They should also make more maps! Thats my opinion it would be cool to have a m16 with a greandelauncher on it like call of dudy modern warfare 2!

[gamemann]

If you see only 30 servers then your networking must be screwed up because i get about 1000 servers with pretty good ping!

[Baloban]

If you see only 30 servers then your networking must be screwed up because i get about 1000 servers with pretty good ping!

1000?

I was used to getting about 400, but now i am used to getting about 40.

[turtlesoup]

telling the # of servers you get means absolutely nothing unless you say what filters you're using.

[nihilius]

telling the # of servers you get means absolutely nothing unless you say what filters you're using.

i dont use any filters.

[SgtMac]

I love the game still, even though they should make a new patch that let's add attachments to your guns such a reddot for like alot of guns and they should add turrets to shoot from + more guns and zombies! They should also make more maps! Thats my opinion it would be cool to have a m16 with a greandelauncher on it like call of dudy modern warfare 2!


there is a lot of custom maps to play on,I think their done with any major patches for weps,prolly working on a new game.

[Friendliest]

...makes me want to punch babies.

i smell a new perk......:cool:

[Anemia]

there is a lot of custom maps to play on,I think their done with any major patches for weps,prolly working on a new game.

I must say this though, i think there will be at least one last major patch. I looked through the editors, and like before all new patches there's some unused content. Look in KFpatch2.utx it's a new file, i dont know when it got there but it's pretty recently (i believe at least).

[moosecatlol]

Play on 32man insane difficulty mutator servers, much harder to make every shot count as a sharpshooter when there's 10 husks laying down a brutal volley into your face.

Just make sure to stay away from corners :D, managed to get perma-juggled by the firing squad once.

Also long live "GAME DENG WTF!"

[omgus]

I just saw 150 games with no pass/VAC on/Perks On/No Full/No Empty Thats a lot of games, with everything clean theres over 500 servers running.

but then any serv >150ms ping is unplayable on suicidal

[omgus]

recently there has been a masterserver issue, this might bring the game even further down some more.
yea 0 servers found.

thanksa lot

[omgus]

We usually play hard and suiccidal. We have never passed suiccidal though :s The furthest weve made is wave 7 or 8. Im lvl 6 commando, mez is ss.

well lvl 6 ss can enable u survive suicidal all the way until the patty comes

[rykialvh]

I think TWI is working on their new game on the Unreal 3.0 engine.

[Baloban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPxl5qdYhU

Ahhhh, i was not sure before.

If this is the case, then i dont blame TWI for having been waiting all this time with a patch, etc..

I still cant expect anything, but May 2010 may be a lucky month for us KF-fans?

[Crispeh]

KF is already dead to me and i've been playing it since release.

The only game mode is boring as hell now, we still can't adjust our FOV, we can't even make simple texture mods without having to make mutators for them and even then, we can't play with them online unless some admin puts it on the server.

We lack weapons and difficulty, even a pub game on normal has a low chance of surviving past wave 7. because its one massive free for all full of M14 users.

[Alex Immortal]

There are custom maps that feature an alternative, objective based game mode.

They do very well at keeping the same game interesting and challenging.

Here's a thread detailing one such level that i have been stuck on for the better part of a few nights.
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=42083

[steiner666]

the games still fun, stfu. ppl get sick of any game after so many months of playing, esp when its been so long since last new content patch. its the way it goes for any game. do what i do and get a group of friends together and play. Me and my one friend will get on when there are no other servers with decent ping with anyone in them and before we get halfway though the first match we usually have a full team.

and FFS, i'm sick of ppl ♥♥♥♥♥ing about m14 "spamming". Its a powerful gun with a lot of ammo, ppl arent going to deny themselves the best all around weapon. And wtf, ppl even complain about ppl using the m14 like its some game-breaker, and then complain about matches not making it past wave 7. If thats the case, your group obviously needs all the "overpowered" firepower that it can get! I use an m14 and get a headshots with nearly every shot, almost always have over half my ammo left after each round too. so not everyone spams with it.

[Baloban]

Hurray!

First official statement since oct. 2009, that there will be new content for KF.

Post 21: http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=42441&page=2

I was hoping only for a patch, but now there will be new content as well? Well, i dont mind. Not at all!

Now, there is only one problem.

If TWI decide to promote the new content ( and for Mac? ), there may first be a period of advertisement for hype.

So, maybe there will be no time for the new content ( + patch ) to be released at annivarsary of May 14 or a bit later?

June 2010?

[nelso125]

I see less and less servers in my browser-list.

According to the stats page, Killing Floor's peak nowadays is 1,800 people, and at 6 people per server (not counting sandbox) that's 300 servers (or less if you do count sandbox). Even down here in Australia, I see about 50-60 Normal servers, 10 or so of which have <100 ping.

[lanux128]

the stats from the official (http://steamcommunity.com/games/KillingFloor) KF group are not too shabby, either.

24,812 Members | 1724 In-Game | 6,551 Online
• http://gyazo.com/6f78bf89f3d0acf18ac0f59f05280a32.png

[Platysma]

the stats from the official (http://steamcommunity.com/games/KillingFloor) KF group are not too shabby, either.

24,812 Members | 1724 In-Game | 6,551 Online
• http://gyazo.com/6f78bf89f3d0acf18ac0f59f05280a32.png

That doesn't mean they are playing KF...

[Nikos the great]

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Here are the real stats about players playing each game.

1311 players are currently in game while I type this message and the peak today was 1804.

Yes, the game is slowly dying.

[Platysma]

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Here are the real stats about players playing each game.

1311 players are currently in game while I type this message and the peak today was 1804.

Yes, the game is slowly dying.

That is a decent amount seeing as each server only holds 6 players.

[Winter Rain]

I honestly think there are still a respectable number of people playing the game, a number that I anticipate will increase with the upcoming new content and the advertising that accompanies it. Declarations of Killing Floor's demise are definitely premature.

[JoWhat]

to OT: so what if the "game is dying"? it's not going to stop anyone from playing. much like the Latin language, it's a "dead" language but that hasn't stopped people from using it. also, there is no calculator with Roman numerals on it but people do use MCMLXIIII whatever that means..:p

[SamSeven]

I hope the game is not dying. I know that it's going to be released for Mac's via Steam, which will be cool, and hopefully bring some new players in.

[senz]

All this game needs is a content update, free weekend and price discount then everyone will be back playing it again...

[lethalvortex]

if you bored of the normal kf. and you like doom3 give this a try KF+doom3 monsters! :p server ip 95.211.15.33:7707
video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kNqFiOUlhE)

[steiner666]

I think the games doing OK, i mean I was able to get in on a public suicidal match at around 10AM EST that was full by wave 2. GOod players too, we won easily.

I do think that a new patch and corresponding free/sale weekend would be great though. Last time, I complained about all the noobs, but this time i swear i wont, please TWI :)

Really want some new enemies to fight and new official maps. A lot of the custom maps are just too easy, maps like bedlam and waterworks are fun though, more of them please :).

[Vlad211]

We need new DLC. With new weapons, features, maps, bugfixes etc.
We need this as well as making the Firebug perk more interesting because all you do is use the Flamethrower and that's it. It would be cool if Molotov Cocktails were an addition for throwing weapons exclusively for the people who use Firebug.

[LuigiFan]

if you bored of the normal kf. and you like doom3 give this a try KF+doom3 monsters! :p server ip 95.211.15.33:7707
video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kNqFiOUlhE)

just spent three hours on your server

this is amazing

[Inwspin]

Also long live "GAME DENG WTF!"
that's mean "GAME เดี้ยง"

[aforumtotalkon1]

Will Tripwire offer any more support for it?

Or is patching finished?

[turtlesoup]

yeah it's already been confirmed we can expect more updates to come, just be patient. apparently they're tied up with another game release and the mac ports, since they plan on supporting mac version steam with kf and red orchestra.

[Sasquatchsliper]

I think some people out there are a bit too focused on Killing Floor.

Sometime you need to take a break, really.



When I start Steam, after joining chatrooms, I look at the "My Games" tab, hesitate for 5 min, then pick one game.

=> It's often TF2, Red Orchestra/DarkestHour or Killing Floor.

However, when I don't feel like playing TF2 nor RO/DH nor KF, because they became repetitive after a while, I simply play :

some Peggle (lol yeah)
one of the solo games (CoH, Zeno Clash or Penumbra) I haven't finished yet
a Source mod (PVKII, NEO-TOKYO, Dystopia, etc)


And I happily go back to KF one (or few) days later.

- - -

Recently, I hadn't played KF for more than a month (yay exams), and now that it's woohoo-holidays-time I played KF for around 6 hours straight.

Needless to say, it was hell of a good time. :D

I met many excellent, funny and cool teamates, I even added 3 of them in my Steam "friend" list, it was very fun and full of stressful moments, like my first month of KF in June 2009.

So, like Nutella, beer or drugs (are bad M'kay), too much too often is bad. Avoid the overdose and you'll find KF is still alive and funny.


ps : few hundreds of people play on Suicidal, few thousands on Hard, and tons on Normal.

=> The only thing dying here is the amount of hardcore Killing Floor dedicated players with tons of available free-time specimens.

Only few people can be hardcore for more than a year, ask the player of Q3A or Tribes if you don't believe me.

[tunguska47]

game is not dieing me and 2 other steam friends filled up a empty server just turn off the empty server filter on the browser and join one then invite some people

i came back to this game after L4D2 and after BC2

[Baloban]

When trying to take some time off of KF, i play Sniper Elite or long-range snipermaps on UT99.

Anyone know of any maps and sniperriflemutators for KF?

If not, i hope some talented person can make them?

PS! I mean a sniperrifle with zoom and not only an ironsight.

[Sasquatchsliper]

When trying to take some time off of KF, i play Sniper Elite or long-range snipermaps on UT99.

Anyone know of any maps and sniperriflemutators for KF?

If not, i hope some talented person can make them?

PS! I mean a sniperrifle with zoom and not only an ironsight.I guess it's really fun to play a sniper for you, but I never really get why a vast majority of players are so crazy about scoped sniper rifles.

To me, it's the most boring part of a FPS :

the enemy is so far away he can't respond so the challenge and the stress is near to zero
the one-shot-kill give no chance for the enemy to react (diving behind an obstacle, make an epic fire-back gunning forcing you to get behind cover, sometime even killing you)
the game pace gets much more slower, as while scoped you can't run, as you can't get closer, as you have only 1 shot.
But yea if you enjoy this kind of gameplay why not, I just hope the "Sniperz" won't contaminate "vanilla servers", as long as all the snipers freaks go on kf-sniperz_warz it's ok to me.

[Dax331]

I still expect KF to roll out an update by this summer.

Notice the achievements. They say "Summer 2009" maps.

And how they updated it with new (Already made, but whatever) maps in the Winter!

Lets just hope they release the Spring DLC in June.

[Bullet333]

Yeah I moved on to L4D.

[Bullet333]

KF is more like Survival mode in L4D.

[JK_DC]

except you can win at KF. Survival is a pointless battle against the clock.

[shotbirds]

I played it before they added new weapons which I think help ruin the game. The dang demo class takes most of the kills and its just too easy with all the headshot+ dmg and such.

And all i can find are 10 wave games which I hate, I don't feel like playing for 25 minutes just to have a wave that's actually a challenge.

[Platysma]

I too find the 10 wave games pretty boring. 7 is perfect. Its faster paced and Scrakes/FP's come earlier. In my opinion, the game isn't dying. It isn't growing much either. Its in a limbo state right now which is fine. It is still faster for me to find a game in KF than it is in L4D2. I play both games and enjoy them separately. KF is fun, I can't explain why. I guess its simplicity entertains my simple mind.

[Whist]

:yawn:
Troll is out of the cave :\

:yawn:
Hearing what you don't want to hear makes it a troll comment.

[9_6]

It does quite well for a dead game.

[cico34]

I'll let the 3.587 servers on the Internet list do the talking.

[Nikos the great]

It is slowly dying, any game that doesn't get updates every now and then dies. But it's nowhere near dead yet.

[Ebay]

I'm finding 10 suicidal server.
Seriously.

[Baloban]

It does quite well for a dead game.

Yeah, it is pretty safe to say that KF is a popular game.

Still, TWI are composed of adults and they should be able to handle criticism.

They should make an effort and try to complete the expected patch/content soon enough or they are on their way to make a blunder.

That ROHOS-game seem to get too much attention too often now. Give it another rest for a short while?

Just to speed up the work on KF and make us shut up. Or many of us will continue to whine. I know i will. I have a good reason. I am a KF-fan. Good enough?

[LuigiFan]

Or many of us will continue to whine.

People will never stop whining.

To be honest, I probably would keep playing if this game were to die and no one would be online. I genuinely enjoy the game as it is. Might even give suicidal a spin. Maybe even learn how to make mutators. I really need to do that.

[Baloban]

People will never stop whining.

To be honest, I probably would keep playing if this game were to die and no one would be online. I genuinely enjoy the game as it is. Might even give suicidal a spin. Maybe even learn how to make mutators. I really need to do that.

Yes, it would be strange if people would not have different opinions.

I would also love to be able to make my own mutators.

You have not even tried suicidial yet? Why?

You would have been terrified if you tried to play suicidial before "Heavy Metal" or even "Level Up".

[RaranTroff]

They just need to fix normal so its not 1000x more difficult than easy. I would play the crap out of this game if they just fixed normal. I am talking about solo play here an not multi.

They also need to stop being so anal about how perks are leveled. Its just soul crushing to get a perk to level 2 and then watch progress grind to a near dead stop even though you are grinding and grinding, and grinding some more.

[Baloban]

What does this mean? More maps? I only like maps, if they have achievements.

Regular maps can be found among custommaps.

http://www.drguppy.bravehost.com/Projects.html

So, TWI hire freelancers?

This is funny, maybe Yoshiro does not know all that is going on within TWI?

Yoshiro just recently said there are no new news for KF and yet the link prooves otherwise.

[Yoshiro]

What does this mean? More maps? I only like maps, if they have achievements.

Regular maps can be found among custommaps.

http://www.drguppy.bravehost.com/Projects.html

So, TWI hire freelancers?

This is funny, maybe Yoshiro does not know all that is going on within TWI?

Yoshiro just recently said there are no new news for KF and yet the link prooves otherwise.

He sits about 20 feet away from me, and it proves he was working on a KF map at some point before he got hired.

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He sits about 20 feet away from me, and it proves he was working on a KF map at some point before he got hired.

Ah so he did get hired then. I just thought it was a part of his portfolio stating that he had made a map for the mapping competition.

In that case well done to him, he really knows his stuff.

EDIT: ah you're also hiring mod teams to make the exp pack for RO2. Wonder if that's what DrGuppy has been taken on for since he's a long time RO map maker.