[DiRT vs FUEL]What do you say?

[Meffo]

I'd like to buy one of those two titles, I know they're quite different so I want to hear your opinion. According to Metascore I should go for DiRT (I tried a demo some times ago and I did like it), though I'm more oriented towards arcade-style racing (Flatout 2 it's my favorite racing game of all times) and it looks like FUEL goes in that direction. So, what do you say?

[Chapa9dj]

Get DiRT 2.
Believe me, you won't regret it.
Fuel is ok but repetitive, boring and it seems that nobody play online :(.

[antiver]

Dirt and/or Dirt2, no hesitation about it.

[nrj1337]

Get the whole package while its so darn cheap! absolutley worth it!

[Dr. Spielmann]

I can't believe you ask.

[Jclool]

Dirt2 i have it on PC and PS3 only because i bought it on Ps3 then it came for free with my ATI card.

[freibooter]

I bought FUEL and its current price tag is about as much as I would ever spend on it.
It's very, very mediocre. It's a bit buggy, has motor sounds about as realistic and pleasant as Buggy Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggy_Boy), there is no real sense of speed, stupid AI and it once the novelty of the fairly boring open world environment wears of, there is very little left.

If you enjoyed Flatout, you'll probably enjoy DiRT even more - i know I did - even though it is more realistic it is still a lot of pure fun.

[Demo_Boy]

What's great about Fuel is just getting on a road and driving in a direction for miles. It's really a cool feeling to never hit the level boundary.

But unlocking the zones is pretty tedious, gameplay is pretty flat with no boost or other mechanics and handling is very slidey.

So overall, its worth the sale price absolutely.

[Sgt_Pepper]

just get the damn pack :)

[CreamyBunny]

just get the damn pack :)

agreed :P

[Meffo]

Ok guys I bought DiRT (1), also because I tried the FUEL demo and it felt quite boring... Thanks everyone!

[WildKarrde]

I got the whole pack... only $17.50 after all. ;) I'm looking forward to trying out FUEL, but from the reviews I've read about it it'll be the worse of the pack.

[Delicieuxz]

DiRT >>> DiRT 2, all the way. Unless you happen to like the lame x-games bs that DiRT 2 is focused around, the embarrassingly immature attitude of the driver talk, the rally races that are so short you feel as if they were only samples and the real full races must be coming later on... DiRT 2 if you're a pretentious annoying kid with ADD, otherwise, DiRT is what you'll want.

[Twistofcain]

I tried demos of FUEL and DIRT2 (unfortunately there is no demo of DIRT) and liked the open world in FUEL. I have no need for another racing game with a closed track.

DIRT2 looked better and the menu was pretty impressive at the first moment, but soon it got pretty annoying. I'm simply not a kid with ADHD that forgot to take its ritalin and that needs flashes an whistles all the time.

[dungeonseeker_1]

Are you guys forgetting that the man which spawned the series which Dirt came from is now dead??

Seems to me like codemasters wanted to mess with the games for a while but Colin McRae would allow them to, now its taken the same old route as many other games, childish and centered around the "X Games" scene, that was enoght to kill the tony hawks franchise (THUG 2 anyone) and i have no doubt it will do the same to Dirt.

The reason why they mess with games is because of society, kids today have no attention span and are lazy, doing a 15m long rally like the good ol day of CMR would result in tantrums and broken joypads, kids nowadays want a 1:30min max ride which as many flashy colours and "cool" voiceovers as possible

[Sgt_Pepper]

why so much hate with DiRT2? maybe is not the best game outhere but that doesn't mean you have to treat people who likes the game as "kids with ADHD or whatever".

A little respecto would be appreciated.

Sumarizing, we people who bought the whole pack got a huge amount of fun for few bucks.

[Hanzoo]

why so much hate with DiRT2? maybe is not the best game outhere but that doesn't mean you have to treat people who likes the game as "kids with ADHD or whatever".

A little respecto would be appreciated.

Sumarizing, we people who bought the whole pack got a huge amount of fun for few bucks.

Well said m8 ^^

[searanox]

Are you guys forgetting that the man which spawned the series which Dirt came from is now dead??

Seems to me like codemasters wanted to mess with the games for a while but Colin McRae would allow them to, now its taken the same old route as many other games, childish and centered around the "X Games" scene, that was enoght to kill the tony hawks franchise (THUG 2 anyone) and i have no doubt it will do the same to Dirt.

The reason why they mess with games is because of society, kids today have no attention span and are lazy, doing a 15m long rally like the good ol day of CMR would result in tantrums and broken joypads, kids nowadays want a 1:30min max ride which as many flashy colours and "cool" voiceovers as possible
It's true that DiRT 2 is a more accessible game, with more varied events, cars, tracks, etc. That doesn't mean it's a worse game. The physics and handling are excellent (even if not total simulation-style), the gameplay is challenging and rewarding, the visuals and audio are some of the best in any recent racing game, etc.

Put simply, your attitude is a bit silly. I'm a bit of an elitist myself, but I also acknowledge that not every piece of media I engage with has to be fine art. I can enjoy both DiRT and DiRT 2 for what they are, and I'm under no delusions that DiRT 2 is a less intense, somewhat watered-down, but still very fun experience.

[coder1024]

the attractive thing about FUEL to me is the large world and miles and miles of open road. Seems much better than isolated tracks to drive on. I haven't tried it yet though due to the keys issue.

[Fangoram]

Really they are 2 completely different types of games... Some will argue but come on everyone knows what I'm about to say.

Fuel is a great ARCADE racer and Dirt is a great simulation racer. I honestly don't see how to compare them.... If you can't make up your mind ask yourself Arcade racer or simulator and if that doesn't solve it just get something else lol.

[Twistofcain]

why so much hate with DiRT2? maybe is not the best game outhere but that doesn't mean you have to treat people who likes the game as "kids with ADHD or whatever".

A little respecto would be appreciated.

Sumarizing, we people who bought the whole pack got a huge amount of fun for few bucks.

I really don´t know who should "hate" DIRT2 for any reason. Since it was me who mentioned ADHD, I feel free to answer.

For myself, I don´t care about DIRT2. So I can´t hate it. I played the demo, didn´t like it, uninstalled it. Someone asked if he should buy DIRT/DIRT2 or FUEL so I posted my point of view.

If you like DIRT2 and enjoy playing it: fine, have fun. You have one game more that you like than me. Enjoy it. When I criticise a game to be made for children with ADHD, its something between me and the game developers and has nothing to do with people that play this game. Perhaps my 78-year old grandmother would like this game and I would never say that she is a child with a psychiatric disorder.

When you think that I have no idea and the game shines with its storyline/physics/whatever, you are probably right. Please praise the virtues of DIRT2 before Steams weekend deal runs out. After all, I made my opinion after playing a lousy demo.

But whatever you do, please don´t try to kill criticism by trying to turn it into personal insult, what it obviously wasn´t. This is something that has to do with respect and is only done by fanatics.

[Gatoyoshi]

so should i get dirt?

[Sgt_Pepper]

I really don´t know who should "hate" DIRT2 for any reason. Since it was me who mentioned ADHD, I feel free to answer.

For myself, I don´t care about DIRT2. So I can´t hate it. I played the demo, didn´t like it, uninstalled it. Someone asked if he should buy DIRT/DIRT2 or FUEL so I posted my point of view.

If you like DIRT2 and enjoy playing it: fine, have fun. You have one game more that you like than me. Enjoy it. When I criticise a game to be made for children with ADHD, its something between me and the game developers and has nothing to do with people that play this game. Perhaps my 78-year old grandmother would like this game and I would never say that she is a child with a psychiatric disorder.

When you think that I have no idea and the game shines with its storyline/physics/whatever, you are probably right. Please praise the virtues of DIRT2 before Steams weekend deal runs out. After all, I made my opinion after playing a lousy demo.

But whatever you do, please don´t try to kill criticism by trying to turn it into personal insult, what it obviously wasn´t. This is something that has to do with respect and is only done by fanatics.

It wasn't a direct attack to you, just wanted to state the game is not that bad, at least for the price of the pack or standalone, maybe not worth it the full price though. At the price of the pack I feel I enjoy the money I spent, but damn I want to try some FUELbut can't for the key debacle :p

[Delicieuxz]

so should i get dirt?

Definitely. DiRT 1 is an awesome game. DiRT 2... eh, DiRT 2 was a bit of a fall from grace, similar to Need For Speed's fall from grace when BlackBox took over the series so many years ago: The attitude of the game, and the abandonment of genuine rally races turns it into one big joke. It offers a cheap and flashy experience. The graphics are good, handling is ok (but more arcadey than ever)... it's too bad everything else took a nose dive. A specific list of some of my gripes about DiRT2:

- Races are way too short: it doesn't feel challenging because you don't have to hold it together for very long to win. The races are a fraction of the length of DiRT1's.

- Race types offered: too much substanceless filler. Rally is far from the focus here. Boring dirt arena races, hitting yellow blocks for points... bleh

- X-games attitude in general: Racing diminished to cheap thrills. This is largely responsible for the "kids with ADD" comments associated with this game (coupled with the short races)

- Driver chatter: this can be turned off, but the fact that it's there at all is embarrassing. Drivers chat to you on the radio, sending you the lamest taunts you ever heard, stuff that sincerely has to have been aimed for 8 year old kids. It's just simply groan-worthy.

- Bloated and cumbersome menus: Ok, so the races are incredibly short, but the menu now is incredibly burdensome to navigate, having to press Enter after Enter, after Enter, etc... and it feels like the time spent in the menu sometimes dwarfs the time actually spent racing.

- Driving handling: it's actually good, but that's as in good for an arcade racer. The McRae series was never about arcade racing.

- Too many driver assists: This also takes away the challenge from the game. You can turn damage off on a whim, and you aren't penalized for it. You also can choose your difficulty, but there's no incentive to play on the harder difficulties as there is little difference in monetary gain. On top of that, you can rewind any time that you crash and just play from before you screwed up. Essentially, you always have God-mode on. This also adds to the "ADD" attitude of the game, as it's configured so that you never have to lose or do a race twice if you don't want to. It's like playing Mario where every time you fall down a hole or get hit by an enemy, a message pops up and asks "would you like to rewind the game to right before you died?"

- other stuff that I don't recall atm.

[Delicieuxz]

why so much hate with DiRT2? maybe is not the best game outhere but that doesn't mean you have to treat people who likes the game as "kids with ADHD or whatever".

A little respecto would be appreciated.
It's because of what the Colin McRae series was before DiRT2. I also suggested that DiRT2 is designed for kids with ADD, and if you'd played the games prior to DiRT2, that saying would probably click with you immediately and you might very well agree (and if not, you'd still get the meaning). Sure, there is value in the game regardless, but to people seeking the genuine high quality and full of integrity rally experience that they associated with the McRae series, a facepalm or ten is easily in order after playing DiRT2. It's just a vastly cheaper experience than previous installments.



Sumarizing, we people who bought the whole pack got a huge amount of fun for few bucks.

This is definitely true.

[DkryptX3]

Its like comparing Grand Turismo to Burnout. or Painkiller to ARMA. Both games have their audiences, some people like cheap thrills and quick races, some people enjoy a more realistic experience. IMO just buy the pack while its still on sale its worth 17.50


---Edit---
Like Hawx or Ace Combat to IL-2

[Feuerkelch]

@Delicieuxz:
have you played dirt2? i guess not or you are blind, sry.
the races are short on easy, yes, but on higher difficulty they become longer. you dont like the fact that every player can change the game to his personal enjoyment? yre you a communist? everyone has to have the same? i would never play without demolition, but some people like to start veeeery easy, like the ones never played before a racing game. in addition, i never heard about a game beeing bad for the fact, that you have multiple options for the game-difficulty.
ok, the menu is more art than function, but there have been even worse menus in other games. but the point i just can not understand: driving physics. have you played this game with a wheel? i play racing-games with the Logitech G25 and i never enjoyed it more than i did with Dirt2. maybe its not the hyper realistic handling you would like to see, but when you want to drive like a real car, well, then drive a real car.
the only thing i don't like in this game are the tuning-options. at least in rally-races i should be able to choose the detailed options for my car because winning is 50% correct tuning.
and again about the handling: compared to Dirt1 it is godlike! Dirt1 is horrible. I played a demo with gamepad and thought wtf? it was too sensitive and it had a delay like hell. late i played the full game with my g25 and after some time i got used to it. but realistic is the other way.

[Delicieuxz]

@Delicieuxz:
have you played dirt2? i guess not or you are blind, sry.
Don't be sorry, it's yourself that you've embarrassed. And if you do another wall-of-text post, maybe I will go blind.

the races are short on easy, yes, but on higher difficulty they become longer.
No they don't. And you sarcastically asked me if I've played DiRT2... amazing. Difficulty only adjusts the opponent AI and reduces the number of flashbacks you can use.

from http://www.psillustrated.com/psillustrated/soft_rev.php/4740/dirt-2-ps3.html
"You are given the option to set DiRT 2's difficulty level before every single event. If the difficulty is set to one of the lower settings, you'll be given more Flashbacks. However, this comes with a trade-off: should you win the race, you'll be awarded less cash. It's an interesting conundrum, but I found that higher difficulty levels don't offer quite enough incentive to try them out."

you dont like the fact that every player can change the game to his personal enjoyment?
No, I actually said I don't like that there's no incentive to play without driving assists.

but the point i just can not understand: driving physics. have you played this game with a wheel? i play racing-games with the Logitech G25 and i never enjoyed it more than i did with Dirt2. maybe its not the hyper realistic handling you would like to see, but when you want to drive like a real car, well, then drive a real car.
Uh, what are you trying to say? What part about me saying that the game's handling is good, albeit as an arcade racer did you having difficulty understanding? You're saying that you have a lot of fun with it... and? That doesn't relate to anything I said. I apologize if English isn't your first language, but I'd like to encourage you to first understand what you're reading before you make a reply.

I'm glad that the memberse on the Codemasters forums and Codemasters themselves generally feel the same way that I do, and that for this reason Codemasters has stated that they're going to distance the next game from the X-games ADD-esque bs and move back closer to a serious European rally style approach with the next game.


P.S.

and again about the handling: compared to Dirt1 it is godlike! Dirt1 is horrible. I played a demo with gamepad and thought wtf? it was too sensitive and it had a delay like hell. late i played the full game with my g25 and after some time i got used to it. but realistic is the other way.

Here's a tip: don't play DiRT 1 with a steering wheel. It's well established knowledge that Codemasters didn't consider wheel support an area of focus for DiRT, and was a common complaint from fans. GRID also had sub-par, though greatly improved wheel support. They've been slow to develop it, but it's natural that it's become better by DiRT 2. It was also complained about that DiRT's controls were arcade-style-influenced, however, DiRT 2 has taken it further, and this upset a significant portion of the McRae series fan-base.

[Chapa9dj]

Are you guys forgetting that the man which spawned the series which Dirt came from is now dead??

Seems to me like codemasters wanted to mess with the games for a while but Colin McRae would allow them to, now its taken the same old route as many other games, childish and centered around the "X Games" scene, that was enoght to kill the tony hawks franchise (THUG 2 anyone) and i have no doubt it will do the same to Dirt.

The reason why they mess with games is because of society, kids today have no attention span and are lazy, doing a 15m long rally like the good ol day of CMR would result in tantrums and broken joypads, kids nowadays want a 1:30min max ride which as many flashy colours and "cool" voiceovers as possible

Wow. I fully agree with you.
I miss the good old days playing the first and 2nd Colin McRae installment.
Those were epic games... :D
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nostalgia :(.

[Feuerkelch]

@Delicieuxz:
play rally-cross on easy and then play it again on the hardest mode. you see? more laps to go. about the difficulty. you dont get my point. i understand you. you want to get rewarded that you can beat it on a extreme high level and it bothers you that a guy gets the same reward on an easier level. well, ♥♥♥♥ happens, but you seem to forget the main intension of video-games at all: fun. who do you think had more fun playing the game? i guess beating a game on highest difficulty is way more fun than to do the same on easy. it's not about rewards, achievements or experience. it's about fun and everyone chooses the fun for him/herself.

don't blame me for my english please, because i'm not from an english sepaking country so blaming me for my english is like blaming you for your german.

i stop arguing now, because: http://www.andreasschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/arguingontheinternet.jpg