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Kenkajin
05-12-2010, 06:59 PM
I have a 2006 iMac with a Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT (standard card for this model).
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0391
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3022
When I try to start portal I get a message saying that the graphics card doesn't meet the minimum requirements. I have Bioshock and DoA: Origins and those run fine. I would suspect that Portal wouldn't exceed those games requirements, but I may be wrong.
So am I seeing a wrinkle in the Steam rollout or is my machine truly not up to snuff?
Nekomancer
05-12-2010, 07:02 PM
Well, that clearly is strange. Even a Geforce 6800GT is sufficient to run the game. And Portal is just a Shader 2.0 minimum game, so even a GeforceFX should be enough.
Yes, it seems there is a slight problem with the hardware check. If possible, ignore it.
RUSBoris
05-12-2010, 07:05 PM
You should still be able to play. Pretty sure the 7600GT is almost identical to 9600GT aside from latter being faster so technically you shouldn't have any glitches
Nekomancer
05-12-2010, 07:09 PM
Almost identical? A 9600GT is a Shader Model 4.0 videocard and the 7600GT is a Shader Model 3.0 videocard. They aren't identical. They have a totally different architecture.
But i agree he should be able to run the game without any hitches.
RUSBoris
05-12-2010, 07:11 PM
Almost identical? A 9600GT is a Shader Model 4.0 videocard and the 7600GT is a Shader Model 3.0 videocard. They aren't identical. They have a totally different architecture.
But i agree he should be able to run the game without any hitches.
My bad. I just remember I had the 7600GT at one point and then nVidia released the 8600GT and every review I saw said it was just a rebranded 7600GT, and then the same story with 9600GT
Nekomancer
05-12-2010, 07:14 PM
The 8600 was never a rebrand of the Geforce 7600. The Geforce 8 introduced programmable shaders, something that was completely new at the time. It's true that the Geforce 9 videocards were only a rebranded and tweaked and also faster version of the Geforce 8, but that's it.
RUSBoris
05-12-2010, 07:17 PM
The 8600 was never a rebrand of the Geforce 7600. The Geforce 8 introduced programmable shaders, something that was completely new at the time. It's true that the Geforce 9 videocards were only a rebranded and tweaked and also faster version of the Geforce 8, but that's it.
Welp performance in games is almost identical at any rate: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/11/
Nekomancer
05-12-2010, 07:20 PM
Performance is a whole different thing. Yes, the 8600GT didn't perform well. Especially the G80 videochip version was crappy as hell. Performed worse than a Geforce 6600GT. The refresh with the G92 videochip redeemed that, partially.
Kenkajin
05-12-2010, 07:26 PM
Well, that clearly is strange. Even a Geforce 6800GT is sufficient to run the game. And Portal is just a Shader 2.0 minimum game, so even a GeforceFX should be enough.
Yes, it seems there is a slight problem with the hardware check. If possible, ignore it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't give the option to ignore. All I can do is click OK and exit.
*sigh* I was so looking forward to playing this tonight. Hopefully they will iron things out before L4D and L4D2 get ported over.
Kenkajin
05-12-2010, 07:35 PM
Drat!
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5376-EOSB-3763
Source games don't support GeForce Series 7 card!
I really don't want to ply on the PC.
zweiosx
05-12-2010, 08:44 PM
I am also upset to find out that I my 7600GT isn't capable of running these old games on the Mac side.
Does anyone know if these cards may eventually be supported down the road (I see the 10.6.4 update is tweaking graphics drivers) ...or is this pretty much a done deal?
Friggin bootcamp...
Zed-K
05-13-2010, 02:15 AM
Drat!
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5376-EOSB-3763
Source games don't support GeForce Series 7 card!
Sorry for the language, but this is bull♥♥♥♥.
I bought and played Portal and CS:S on Steam via CrossOver Games for more than a year on the very same Mac (Mac Pro 2006/GeForce 7300 GT) that now shows me this "doesn't meet the minimum requirements" window...
The game was running in native resolution (1680x1050) with full details with more than 60fps...
So what do I do, do I have to reinstall CrossOver Games + Steam PC?
This is f***ing ridiculous...
kof98se
05-13-2010, 02:23 AM
I agree. This is a poor showing from Valve, and though there's probably a good reason why 7 series cards aren't supported it's difficult to accept, especially after playing Portal and other source engine games on my mac via bootcamp. I'm quite cross with myself that I deleted my Windows partition now, as it seems that Steam for the Mac isn't quite all I'd hoped it would be.
Still, patches, updates, etc... you never know.
rbarris
05-13-2010, 02:30 AM
I agree. This is a poor showing from Valve, and though there's probably a good reason why 7 series cards aren't supported it's difficult to accept, especially after playing Portal and other source engine games on my mac via bootcamp. I'm quite cross with myself that I deleted my Windows partition now, as it seems that Steam for the Mac isn't quite all I'd hoped it would be.
Still, patches, updates, etc... you never know.
The GeForce 7 driver doesn't have the OpenGL framebuffer blit extension, which is required to make the Mac Source engine work.
The same issue applies to the GMA 950.
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
Zed-K
05-13-2010, 02:37 AM
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
So how to explain that CrossOver Games (using Wine) can run the game with great performances and without any glitch, on the same Mac and OS X version?
I never used a Windows partition in order to play ; I played directly on OS X, and it ran very well, so I really don't understand where's the issue here...
Xenesis
05-13-2010, 02:50 AM
Yeah, the fact we can't play on a card that's superior to the integrated cards in current gen machines is rather pathetic. :/
FuuKuy
05-13-2010, 02:50 AM
So how to explain that CrossOver Games (using Wine) can run the game with great performances and without any glitch, on the same Mac and OS X version?
I never used a Windows partition in order to play ; I played directly on OS X, and it ran very well, so I really don't understand where's the issue here...
rbarris explained perfectly accurated.
The problem is the mac driver for Geforce 7 series.
Zed-K
05-13-2010, 03:06 AM
rbarris explained perfectly accurated.
The problem is the mac driver for Geforce 7 series.
Are you kidding?
So Wine just fix this driver so I can launch the game on OSX?
Since there's no DirectX on OSX nor Linux, Wine (actually, WineD3D) has to translate the DX functions to OpenGL ones.
So i'm sorry, but if Wine can run Source games using OpenGL with a GeForce 7xxx, I don't understand why Valve can't.
Xenesis
05-13-2010, 03:18 AM
Zed, I think that's why all of us with 7000-series cards ARE pissed off.
The fact that a bunch of free software cobbled together is doing a better job (Source games on Nvidia 7 series cards playable on OSX) than a professional studio it is...saddening.
Draeconis
05-13-2010, 04:32 AM
Are you kidding?
So Wine just fix this driver so I can launch the game on OSX?
Since there's no DirectX on OSX nor Linux, Wine (actually, WineD3D) has to translate the DX functions to OpenGL ones.
So i'm sorry, but if Wine can run Source games using OpenGL with a GeForce 7xxx, I don't understand why Valve can't.
Things like Crossover provide a translation layer for DirectX functions to OpenGL. Whilst this works, it's not ideal.
All Valve want is access to a particular function on the 7xxx series cards that is missing from the ATI OS X Driver implementation, so that Source will run properly. Just running isn't good enough, as they stated, they want OS X to be a tier-1 platform; how angry would you be if all they're doing is just using a D3D translation layer?
Be patient.
Zed-K
05-13-2010, 05:45 AM
Whilst this works, it's not ideal.
It's just like you said. At least, it works.
I think you got my point wrong.
What I meant was that I quite don't understand why this "particular function" (which is probably used on PC version too) can be translated at runtime by Wine, and not at "porting time" by Valve developers?
Be patient.
I hope you're right and the issue would be solved soon.
It's not like I don't want to buy a better card, actually I really want to.
It's just that finding a good one compatible with a Mac Pro 2006 is far from easy...
Kenkajin
05-13-2010, 06:13 AM
The GeForce 7 driver doesn't have the OpenGL framebuffer blit extension, which is required to make the Mac Source engine work.
The same issue applies to the GMA 950.
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
Thanks for the clarification. Is this something that we users have to request from NVIDIA nd/or Apple or would you developers be the ones to lead the charge?
I really want to use Steam on my Mac as my primary PC game platform, but given the inability to upgrade my card the only solution would be to buy a new iMac. I have little incentive to do that as it works fine for everything else I do and is far from obsolete.
kof98se
05-13-2010, 06:45 AM
The GeForce 7 driver doesn't have the OpenGL framebuffer blit extension, which is required to make the Mac Source engine work.
The same issue applies to the GMA 950.
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
Ah, thanks for the info. I'll just have to wait a while then and cross my fingers. Hopefully Apple will step in with a software update and give us the drivers we need.
zweiosx
05-13-2010, 04:56 PM
The GeForce 7 driver doesn't have the OpenGL framebuffer blit extension, which is required to make the Mac Source engine work.
The same issue applies to the GMA 950.
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
Thanks for the explanation. I know Valve has been working with Apple on this, is this something possibly in the works? It would be great to hear something official either way.
ctgreybeard
05-13-2010, 05:14 PM
I'm in the same boat with my iMac and I don't have the option of considering changing my video card. I'm really disappointed in Valve not to have support for my fairly recent video card 7600 GT.
Zed-K
05-14-2010, 02:14 AM
Just running isn't good enough, as they stated, they want OS X to be a tier-1 platform; how angry would you be if all they're doing is just using a D3D translation layer?
Well...
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14935583#post14935583
thedreadedgman
05-14-2010, 03:49 AM
Well...
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14935583#post14935583
I was going to mention this.. lol
But my guess is that the specific way that Valve has decided to implement their rendering (possibly to better integrate with OS X.. and also perhaps part of the Steam overlay support) is not compatible with the Apple old nv7 series drivers as rbarris stated before...
Typically Apple will only fix crashers etc and not implement new features on old hardware, they expect you to simply buy a new PC every couple years.
Windows of course you can simply download the new NVidia driver... although I'm fairly sure 6 and 7 series Geforce support will no doubt be discontinued in a few more releases... but at the moment, it's still supported.
LagExpert
05-14-2010, 04:37 AM
I do find it disappointing that my $400 5-year-old computer with an integrated GPU can run Portal fine on lowest settings, but my $2,500 2-year-old iMac can't.
Canosoap2
05-14-2010, 11:36 PM
Sorry for the language, but this is bull♥♥♥♥.
I agree. I have the EXACT SAME COMPUTER as this guy (Mac Pro 2006/GeForce 7300 GT) and i should be able to run this through windows ( 7300 GeForce Supports DX9 on Win OS') perfectly. could someone please update these so we can play? I'd really rather not send my whole computer to The Shop For a couple Of weeks to get it fixed :'(
RUSBoris
05-14-2010, 11:39 PM
I agree. I have the EXACT SAME COMPUTER as this guy and i should be able to run this through windows ( 7300 GeForce Supports DX9 on Win OS') perfectly. could someone please update these so we can play? I'd really rather not send my whole computer to The Shop For a couple Of weeks to get it fixed :'(
http://www.apple.com/contact/
http://www.opengl.org/community/contact/
are the people you should be asking this from
Draeconis
05-15-2010, 01:54 AM
It's just like you said. At least, it works.
I think you got my point wrong.
What I meant was that I quite don't understand why this "particular function" (which is probably used on PC version too) can be translated at runtime by Wine, and not at "porting time" by Valve developers?
I hope you're right and the issue would be solved soon.
It's not like I don't want to buy a better card, actually I really want to.
It's just that finding a good one compatible with a Mac Pro 2006 is far from easy...
Wow ok, must apologise, didn't realise they actually HAD created D3D translation layer, I thought they were natively running Source directly in OpenGL.
Actually this is interesting, as it doesn't require a total reworking of other Windows games, which is good for developers I assume :)
Zed-K
05-15-2010, 02:34 AM
are the people you should be asking this from
Well, sorry but I'm not really sure they have something to do with this issue.
At least unless I get an answer to my question (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14924025#post14924025).
I may be wrong, but I'd like to understand.
hikkichan48
05-15-2010, 02:37 AM
*Sigh* After messing around with this for about three hours yesterday, hoping I'd finally get to play a game I've only heard of, I get this.
"The following video cards are not supported on Source-powered games:
* Intel integrated graphics such as GMA 950 and X3100
* NVidia GeForce 7 Series"
Well, there it goes - my hopes of finally having a game to play just came crashing down.
I don't have the option of upgrading my card just to play games. I refuse to use a Windows machine, as Windows does not agree with me. I wouldn't use it even if I owned one...which I don't...and I just don't have any other options...
I thought I would finally be able to be in the loop rather than being stuck on the outside, but noo...
I am very disappointed. I'm tired of being left on the outside. Something has to be done about this...please, I'm begging you. I'm tired of always being left out of the loop...
*sigh* I'm so bored... T.T
thedreadedgman
05-15-2010, 03:27 AM
*Sigh* After messing around with this for about three hours yesterday, hoping I'd finally get to play a game I've only heard of, I get this.
"The following video cards are not supported on Source-powered games:
* Intel integrated graphics such as GMA 950 and X3100
* NVidia GeForce 7 Series"
Well, there it goes - my hopes of finally having a game to play just came crashing down.
I don't have the option of upgrading my card just to play games. I refuse to use a Windows machine, as Windows does not agree with me. I wouldn't use it even if I owned one...which I don't...and I just don't have any other options...
I thought I would finally be able to be in the loop rather than being stuck on the outside, but noo...
I am very disappointed. I'm tired of being left on the outside. Something has to be done about this...please, I'm begging you. I'm tired of always being left out of the loop...
*sigh* I'm so bored... T.T
It's your option to buy low-end hardware... no-one is forcing you... PC (personal computer) gamers have to pay for expensive hardware.. they always have... if you want a cheaper deal, try PS3/XBOX360
BigGravy
05-15-2010, 05:01 AM
I hit this same problem last night.
Unfortunately I had also been drinking some beer. So at the time the logical approach was to upgrade my graphics card to the nVidia GeForce 8800GT as I'm on a mac pro 1,1.
In the sober light of day...:o
Kenkajin
05-15-2010, 08:40 AM
It's your option to buy low-end hardware... no-one is forcing you... PC (personal computer) gamers have to pay for expensive hardware.. they always have... if you want a cheaper deal, try PS3/XBOX360Um...the NVidia 7 series cards were the best cards available in the 2006 iMacs. The iMac is hardly a low end machine. The problem is that you can't switch out the video card and there isn't an updated to enable a certain feature necessary within the card driver.
All that is needed is for the driver to be updated.
hikkichan48
05-15-2010, 09:40 AM
It's your option to buy low-end hardware... no-one is forcing you... PC (personal computer) gamers have to pay for expensive hardware.. they always have... if you want a cheaper deal, try PS3/XBOX360
...I don't know how to answer this and I don't know if I want to.
I'm not here to get into a flame war. Some of us are just unfortunate people, no matter WHAT they do, and I'm one of those people. I didn't BUY anything, the computer I'm using now was given to me and it works perfectly with everything else. I also don't really WANT to buy a PS3, or XBox, nor am I interested. And even if I were, I'm a broke college student. :mad: I don't have the money for a PS3 or XBox...
Some of us, like I said, HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.
I also know what PC means. I'm not a computer novice... T.T I know a lot more than you probably think I do, especially when it comes to my own dang machine.
I really can't stand people who hassle other users just because.
"low-end" hardware...get off your high horse, please.
thedreadedgman
05-15-2010, 10:50 AM
I hit this same problem last night.
Unfortunately I had also been drinking some beer. So at the time the logical approach was to upgrade my graphics card to the nVidia GeForce 8800GT as I'm on a mac pro 1,1.
In the sober light of day...:o
Lol @ beer
I have an 8800 GT... works well... on windows... not tried on mac
d10sfan
05-15-2010, 10:58 AM
...I don't know how to answer this and I don't know if I want to.
I'm not here to get into a flame war. Some of us are just unfortunate people, no matter WHAT they do, and I'm one of those people. I didn't BUY anything, the computer I'm using now was given to me and it works perfectly with everything else. I also don't really WANT to buy a PS3, or XBox, nor am I interested. And even if I were, I'm a broke college student. :mad: I don't have the money for a PS3 or XBox...
Some of us, like I said, HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.
I also know what PC means. I'm not a computer novice... T.T I know a lot more than you probably think I do, especially when it comes to my own dang machine.
I really can't stand people who hassle other users just because.
"low-end" hardware...get off your high horse, please.
If Apple releases better drivers (which may happen in 10.6.4), you may be able to play. If that dosent happen, you probably wont be able to use your system to play games on os x.
They really do need to fix that though. Graphics drivers have seemingly been a problem for a long time. Hopefully with the new update, that will be fixed.
thedreadedgman
05-15-2010, 11:00 AM
...I don't know how to answer this and I don't know if I want to.
I'm not here to get into a flame war. Some of us are just unfortunate people, no matter WHAT they do, and I'm one of those people. I didn't BUY anything, the computer I'm using now was given to me and it works perfectly with everything else. I also don't really WANT to buy a PS3, or XBox, nor am I interested. And even if I were, I'm a broke college student. :mad: I don't have the money for a PS3 or XBox...
Some of us, like I said, HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.
I also know what PC means. I'm not a computer novice... T.T I know a lot more than you probably think I do, especially when it comes to my own dang machine.
I really can't stand people who hassle other users just because.
"low-end" hardware...get off your high horse, please.
Not trying to offend, just trying to put it into perspective... my experience with Apple is that they don't upgrade drivers just to add features... So trying to point out your best/cheapest options... Since you can't buy anything then I guess you'll have to wait for Apple to put together some new drivers.
7300 series or X3100 are not really "Gaming" hardware which is what I meant by "low-end" not trying to be "high horse", my PC is E5200 w/ 8800GT... fairly "low-end" old hardware... but, just inside the gaming level hardware...
What I meant was Apple doesn't really target gamers with their hardware/software...
My sister has an iMac, and even though it's new and all it's still slower (only in games) then my 2 year old machine, which cost less when it was new.
However what she got with the iMac is a great IPS screen (it really looks stunning), and OS X, and one cord, very tidy, really good for what she uses it for, music production, image editing, web browsing, and productivity software.
BigGravy
05-15-2010, 01:32 PM
Lol @ beer
I have an 8800 GT... works well... on windows... not tried on mac
Heh, yea maybe not lolling this morning when I realised I shelled out half a monkey on a new graphics card so i can play halflife 2 again on my mac.
stupid beer.
Oh well at least I will get faster renders on stuff. Oh and I can enable shadows on games!
BoredNow
05-15-2010, 04:02 PM
"low-end" hardware...get off your high horse, please.
Rather than "low-end" he/she should have called it "entry level" which is less pejorative (and hurtful).
But, I feel your pain; I struggled for a few years with my 7300, it's not easy.
My motherboard wouldn't permit a decent upgrade, so I had to start from scratch.
I'm a PC, btw.
urkle
05-16-2010, 06:30 PM
Rather sad that the 7300 isn't supported.. As I see no real reason why it shouldn't be.. I can play portal at 1600x1200 on the 7300 IN Mac OS X via Codeweavers Crossover games without an issue..
The ONLY issue I know of on the 7300 is that multiple render targets doesn't work very well due to Apple's poor drivers for the card. (I'm porting Amnesia to Mac OS X and Linux which uses multiple render targets). And the game runs "jarate POOR" on the 7300 but fine on the ATI HD 2600 in the same Mac Pro. And, how I know it's drivers.. If I reboot the system into Linux (Fedora 12).. the games runs perfect on the 7300.. WITH compiz running even. I've filed a bug report with apple on it.. and not much movement either.. And Amnesia isn't the only game affected by that issue either.. Bioshock for Mac OS X yields the same exact issues (as they use multiple render targets)
But for Portal this should be no issue.. it's a rather "old" game... Older than the 7300 card. I do believe, however, that this is more Valve avoiding Apples' crappy drivers for some cards than anything.. So gripe to Apple to fix their drivers!!!
TheMattachine
05-16-2010, 06:37 PM
*Sigh* After messing around with this for about three hours yesterday, hoping I'd finally get to play a game I've only heard of, I get this.
"The following video cards are not supported on Source-powered games:
* Intel integrated graphics such as GMA 950 and X3100
* NVidia GeForce 7 Series"
Well, there it goes - my hopes of finally having a game to play just came crashing down.
I don't have the option of upgrading my card just to play games. I refuse to use a Windows machine, as Windows does not agree with me. I wouldn't use it even if I owned one...which I don't...and I just don't have any other options...
I thought I would finally be able to be in the loop rather than being stuck on the outside, but noo...
I am very disappointed. I'm tired of being left on the outside. Something has to be done about this...please, I'm begging you. I'm tired of always being left out of the loop...
*sigh* I'm so bored... T.T
Don't be so sure. I'm not sure what games you've purchased and tried to play w/ Steam, but I haven't had much trouble with Portal on medium settings and Torchlight on moderately high ones. I'm using an integrated chipset as well (GMA X3100) and don't find gameplay all that challenging. I am a fairly novice gamer, though, so I guess gaming quality is something I'm not really knowledgeable about.
wsippel
05-16-2010, 08:01 PM
The GeForce 7 driver doesn't have the OpenGL framebuffer blit extension, which is required to make the Mac Source engine work.
The same issue applies to the GMA 950.
If that capability were to appear in the OpenGL driver that Apple and NVIDIA provide, we could support that chip, assuming no other major missing pieces were encountered.
Did you look into the Wined3d source (http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=tree;f=dlls/wined3d;h=4fad547cff729d080ae31bbf42357057fd2c6000 ;hb=HEAD) to see how those guys got around that particular issue?
kof98se
06-24-2010, 12:32 PM
Since OS X 10.6.4 has been released, are series 7 GeForce cards any closer to being supported?
neuemodern
07-30-2010, 10:34 AM
This sucks, loving TF2 on my Aluminium iMac at home but my white iMac at work only has a Nvidia 7300 GT.
Any way to force it to run anyway? or is it just a case that it would crash and burn
rbarris
07-30-2010, 10:37 AM
Sorry, no Gf7 support in the engine.
Oomlaute
08-02-2010, 03:54 PM
This was definitely a disappointment. Recently bought another copy of CS:S to play with my husband and was all excited to play it on my Mac OS. Unfortunately hopes were dashed due to the inability to run it with the 7 series nvidia. While I understand Valve is working with Apple on it...
I find it a tinge ridiculous that I can play this, and other games, on the exact same machine, exact same hardware, but on Windows instead of Mac OSX (thank you bootcamp for not making my purchase a complete loss).
Would be nice to know this was going to get fixed sometime in the next.. I don't know, year?
While putting in new cards is possible, I don't exactly have hundreds of dollars lying around in these hard times to do so, nor should I have to on an older game.
rbarris
08-02-2010, 04:57 PM
There is no expectation of any additional work being done at either end to improve support on GeForce 7 - at all. I wish this was not the case, but wanted you to have the most honest assessment. It's not that we did not try, it is that we tried and the components needed in the driver are just not there.
ykteng
10-19-2010, 08:57 AM
Crossover must be using some impressive witchcraft to be able to do what you couldn't, then.
rbarris
10-19-2010, 09:17 AM
We looked at Crossover and it doesn't appear to support all of the rendering options in the Source engine, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
Janichsan
10-19-2010, 10:58 AM
We looked at Crossover and it doesn't appear to support all of the rendering options in the Source engine, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
HA! I knew it! So much for these allegations of Source games running in Wine derivatives better than the native versions.
I knew it all along!!!
*soldier* It was obvious! He's the red spy! :P
WINE Direct3D isn't technically finished anyway, and there's bound to be things that the WINE team can't do correctly either. Building from scratch is always hard.
ykteng
10-20-2010, 05:03 AM
HA! I knew it! So much for these allegations of Source games running in Wine derivatives better than the native versions.
I don't see how much worse WINE can run when compared to not being able to run at all.
ykteng
10-20-2010, 05:08 AM
We looked at Crossover and it doesn't appear to support all of the rendering options in the Source engine, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
Yes, but at least it works.
Unless you're saying that you wrote this one wrapper that works on most of the Macs out there while supporting all the rendering options, and it is just not worth your time to make a special one to work on the rest of the Macs while only supporting a subset.
rbarris
10-20-2010, 09:02 AM
One top level problem with both the GeForce 7 and ATI X1600/X1900 series is that there won't be (as far as we can see) any additional driver bug fixes or improvements for either of them on OS X. This has some potential implications not just for shipping a product initially, but keeping it up to date over time. That's one of the reasons L4D2 has dropped ATI X1600/X1900 support from the roster on OS X.
If you are satisfied with the level of playability that CrossOver provides - by all means, continue to use it. If there was a way for us to support GF7 with a full feature set (i.e. driver update), I think we would look at that as a good idea. Currently this isn't going to happen.
Hudson
12-24-2010, 08:24 PM
So basically there is no chance of the 7600GT being supported on the OSX side of Steam?
You need to complain to Apple for that. Or Nvidia/ATI. They need to release new drivers for Mac OS X. Plain and simple.
The card's old enough that Apple's not likely to get Nvidia/ATI to do it :( Sorry. It would seem that 3D graphics have only been a recent goal of Apple. :/
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