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lychee92
05-13-2010, 09:36 AM
is there any possible way to install steam on a powerpc???

jarunasax
05-13-2010, 09:37 AM
as it stands the release was for intel based macs.

jpolster2009
05-13-2010, 09:38 AM
Uh, If you still have a power PC as your main computer, it was time to upgrade A LOOOONG time ago. PowerPC is dead.

Jourdy288
05-13-2010, 09:46 AM
No. Not unless you port it, and I doubt it would be very useful without games compiled for PPC. The games on Steam are X86, I think. That's why you need an Intel Mac.

Immanuel
05-13-2010, 09:49 AM
Uh, If you still have a power PC as your main computer, it was time to upgrade A LOOOONG time ago. PowerPC is dead.

Uh, no. Apple was still making and selling PowerPC machines in 2006. Many PowerPC Macs are only 4 years old.

jimbofluffy
05-13-2010, 09:57 AM
No. Not unless you port it, and I doubt it would be very useful without games compiled for PPC. The games on Steam are X86, I think. That's why you need an Intel Mac.

Maybe, maybe not. I wonder if any universal binaries snuck onto the store that will be wasting bandwidth from here on out.

tad604
05-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Uh, If you still have a power PC as your main computer, it was time to upgrade A LOOOONG time ago. PowerPC is dead.

Oddly all 3 modern consoles are using a PowerPC or variation thereof.

So it's not quite dead.

jpolster2009
05-13-2010, 10:01 AM
Uh, no. Apple was still making and selling PowerPC machines in 2006. Many PowerPC Macs are only 4 years old.

Only 4 years old? Dude a computer is outdated after 6 months these days. PowerPC G5 Towers are OUT DATED JUNK. A 4 year old computer wouldnt be worth more than $60 at the MOST, at least to me. My Hackintosh Config is as follows:

Intel Q6600
8GB RAM
4 1TB HDs in RAID 0
GeForce 9800 GTX
Blu Ray Burner
DVD Burner
700 W PSU


And now im ready to junk it for an i7.. learn to stay UPDATED

jimbofluffy
05-13-2010, 10:08 AM
Only 4 years old? Dude a computer is outdated after 6 months these days. PowerPC G5 Towers are OUT DATED JUNK. A 4 year old computer wouldnt be worth more than $60 at the MOST, at least to me. My Hackintosh Config is as follows:

Intel Q6600
8GB RAM
4 1TB HDs in RAID 0
GeForce 9800 GTX
Blu Ray Burner
DVD Burner
700 W PSU


And now im ready to junk it for an i7.. learn to stay UPDATED

Just checked ebay, some dual processor G5s are going for excess of $750. I still use my 2006 2.0ghz core duo Macbook. I have a lot older computers than the Macbook that I still use. If it still gets the job done, why replace it?

jpolster2009
05-13-2010, 10:18 AM
Just checked ebay, some dual processor G5s are going for excess of $750. I still use my 2006 2.0ghz core duo Macbook. I have a lot older computers than the Macbook that I still use. If it still gets the job done, why replace it?

The only reason those G5s are so high is because people are stupid enough to pay it. Im not. I have a keep up with technology personaltiy. The day the iPhone 4 comes out, I'm trashing my 3GS and getting the new one. I cant stand people who try to upgrade an existing computer vs build or buy a completely new one. ♥♥♥♥ing cheapass

Jourdy288
05-13-2010, 10:40 AM
The only reason those G5s are so high is because people are stupid enough to pay it. Im not. I have a keep up with technology personaltiy. The day the iPhone 4 comes out, I'm trashing my 3GS and getting the new one. I cant stand people who try to upgrade an existing computer vs build or buy a completely new one. ♥♥♥♥ing cheapass

Wait, you're just tossing the 3GS? I'd pay for shipping, if you're willing to send it my direction...

damicatz
05-13-2010, 12:03 PM
Oddly all 3 modern consoles are using a PowerPC or variation thereof.

So it's not quite dead.

Sadly it's not, even though it should.

The PowerPC is a notoriously inefficient chip that runs extremely hot. Apple abandoned the PowerPC because it drinks power like Count Dracula drinks blood and produces enough heat to fry eggs. Apple was never able to make a G5 laptop because of the G5's TDP. You'll notice that both the XBox 360 and the Playstation 3 have had major issues with cooling and too much heat being generated causing hardware failure. The Wii's saving grace is that its PowerPC is clocked so low (729mhz) as to not produce a significant amount of heat.

As for porting Steam/Source to PowerPC, that's considerably more difficult than porting it to an Intel Mac. For one, PowerPC chips are big-endian (they store data with the most significant bit coming first e.g DCBA) as opposed to little-endian (where the least significant bit comes first, e.g ABCD). Having to deal with endianness issues complicates matters when you are dealing with binary files (for example, save games, being binary files, would not be compatible between big endian and little endian computers without some kind of conversion subroutine).

In addition, a lot of game engines are going to have a fair amount of code written in assembler; the processor's lowest level programming language. Assembler is different between processor architectures and when a programmer uses assembler, it's normally because they are trying to optimize code by hand and simply rewriting the assembler code without reoptimising it for the new processor architecture defeats the purpose.

Klingon00
05-13-2010, 12:24 PM
A reason the G5 towers may be worth so much, is that there is probably $200 worth of aluminum and precious metals in there. If you've got a dead one, you might try to sell it for scrap rather than recycle through a drop off place for nothing.

Ripp Steakface
05-13-2010, 12:33 PM
I love my last-gen 17" PowerBook G4, I got it about a month or two before the Intel laptops came out. I chose the PowerBook because I don't particularly like being an early adopter of new tech, and the new ones at the time didn't have FireWire 800. I still use the laptop regularly, it's my main iTunes hub and it's where I keep most of my files (backed up an an external as well). I may not be able to play modern games on it (I have this 2 year old Intel iMac for that, as my PC died), but I still love that old laptop.

xthexder
05-13-2010, 12:46 PM
Uh, no. Apple was still making and selling PowerPC machines in 2006. Many PowerPC Macs are only 4 years old.

Hah, I find that almost funny because my Intel macbook is 5 years old :D

It would require a complete re-code of all of steam and the games in order to support PPC macs. The platform behind it is completely different. There is a reason why there is not bootcamp or VMWare for PowerPC.

If you have a PPC, then your out of luck.

paxswill
05-13-2010, 02:38 PM
For one, PowerPC chips are big-endian (they store data with the most significant bit coming first e.g DCBA) as opposed to little-endian (where the least significant bit comes first, e.g ABCD).
Nitpicking, I know, but PowerPCs (up until the G5) could swap endian-ness. This was one of the reasons Virtual PC took so long (did it ever come out?) for G5s, as the endian switching mode was removed and Virtual PC depended on it.

Back on topic, while PowerPC Macs are still semi-current, they don't hold a candle to Intel Macs in terms of speed.

rbarris
05-13-2010, 03:59 PM
The endian issues are far less of a problem than the fact that the vast majority of PPC machines shipped are uniproc G4's with a 167MHz FSB or less, and a low spec GPU.

But the issue that goes beyond even that, is the fact that GPU drivers for PowerPC stopped being updated at a level which cannot support the Source Mac engine.

Evanescence
05-13-2010, 04:13 PM
Only 4 years old? Dude a computer is outdated after 6 months these days. PowerPC G5 Towers are OUT DATED JUNK. A 4 year old computer wouldnt be worth more than $60 at the MOST, at least to me. My Hackintosh Config is as follows:

Intel Q6600
8GB RAM
4 1TB HDs in RAID 0
GeForce 9800 GTX
Blu Ray Burner
DVD Burner
700 W PSU


And now im ready to junk it for an i7.. learn to stay UPDATED

LOL show-off.

And i think you've got a problem if your computer became obsolete after 6 month and worthing 60$ after that.

Mangr0v3
05-13-2010, 04:31 PM
Apple was never able to make a G5 laptop because of the G5's TDP.

PA Semi made one that was faster than Intel's highest offering, but only after Apple announced the shift to Intel.

Braden123135
11-08-2013, 04:43 PM
Just checked ebay, some dual processor G5s are going for excess of $750. I still use my 2006 2.0ghz core duo Macbook. I have a lot older computers than the Macbook that I still use. If it still gets the job done, why replace it?

I'm sorry but as it stands, you should only own a PowerPC if you are into old tech. My G5 runs fine but i'm only using it for times when I don't have my main computer at hand, or for audio streaming and wahtsnot

stevethepocket
11-14-2013, 06:51 PM
I'm sorry but as it stands, you should only own a PowerPC if you are into old tech. My G5 runs fine but i'm only using it for times when I don't have my main computer at hand, or for audio streaming and wahtsnot
Why did you register just to reply to something someone posted three years ago? I'm reporting you for spam.

DirtyHarry50
11-25-2013, 08:40 AM
Why did you register just to reply to something someone posted three years ago? I'm reporting you for spam.

They registered almost 2 years ago in 2012.

People sometimes miss the date on a post and reply to it not realizing it is old.

Any other questions? ;)

stevethepocket
11-27-2013, 12:22 PM
They registered almost 2 years ago in 2012.

People sometimes miss the date on a post and reply to it not realizing it is old.

Any other questions? ;)

Yes. Why would somebody be registered for nearly two years have nothing at all to say and then suddenly respond to a three-year-old post? It's not like this was pinned to the top of the page or any place where they would find it accidentally and not know how old it was.

DirtyHarry50
11-28-2013, 02:41 AM
Yes. Why would somebody be registered for nearly two years have nothing at all to say and then suddenly respond to a three-year-old post? It's not like this was pinned to the top of the page or any place where they would find it accidentally and not know how old it was.

Well to know for sure I guess you'd need to ask them and it would be good if you opted to do it nicely, you know? This isn't exactly a crime scene here.

I'll give you a hint though. Lots of people register but then just lurk without posting and considering how unfriendly the atmosphere on forums can be at times it is no wonder.

Joshua Smith
11-30-2013, 08:51 AM
I'll give you a hint though. Lots of people register but then just lurk without posting and considering how unfriendly the atmosphere on forums can be at times it is no wonder.

yea the steam forums is a pretty hostile place, not worth posting on most topics because all the hate