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RubNTizZugs
06-23-2010, 01:53 AM
Hi y'all

This thread is for low dpi players, I have a few questions I'd love to find some definitive answers to.

I play at 400 dpi on a huge cloth pad. I love this style, I won't go into details because if you know what I'm talking about I don't need to explain.

What I'm looking for is a great mouse for playing at low dpi in this game. I've tried several, SS ikari optical, laser and laser Xai. Logitech g500 and g9x. Razer Deathadder and Mamba.

I'm not willing to go back into the stoneage and get an mx518 or MS IE 3.0 as for one thing they simply aren't available here and I like to "try before I buy" so to speak.

The Ikari, while being a great laser mouse at higher dpi, and very comfortable is too heavy in the back end to get good control over. The optical far surpasses the laser at low dpi tracking, but has such a high liftoff that it's very hard to love.

The Xai, while I love it for it's tracking, low weight and omnidexterity is simply not wide enough for my fat hands. If only they would put this mouse in a larger chassis.

The logitech g500 also gives me the same issues as the xai being too narrow, but also is plagued by a 15g weight increase, yuk.

My best fit so far is the G9X. The fit and feel is almost perfect except I'd also like it to be about 15g lighter to match the weight of the ikari and xai mice.

Overall, the most comfortable mouse for me has been the G9x. My stats will show I have my best performance using this one. I attribute it's strengths to it's very well centered weight and customizable grip. Also having larger hands it's comfortable for me to fine tune my aim without having to put weight on top of it.

However I cannot escape the horrible feeling that laser mice have compared to optical in tracking speed. No matter what the specs say optical mice still feel to track faster than laser.

Has any low dpi mouser out there found the perfect mouse for this game? Something with the weight centered nicely around the sensor with good grip for the thumb and ring fingers as well as space to possibly rest a pinky for us big handed ppls? I'm curious as to how this Roccat Kone is but since it's not available where I live cannot go to check one out first hand. Please feel free to share and thanks a lot for any helpful info.

BoldyBald
06-23-2010, 02:21 AM
I'm a razer fan and a high dpi user, so i can't give you much advice. But i guess you love sniping with your setup?

But it doesn't really makes much sense to me. DPI means dots per inch, polling Hz is how often information of the the mouse is retrieved.

If you like a slow mouse (e.g. that you have to pick up your mouse) you can achieve this by lowering the sensitivity. High DPI on a very low sensitivity setting would result in being really precise in your aiming.

As for the weight of the mice i have no idea, maybe somebody else has info on that.

OJ191
06-23-2010, 02:22 AM
I tried using a work mates non-gaming laser mouse and it was a sack of ♥♥♥♥e once in game; if you go laser get a gaming mouse which you can easily change dpi. Optical is still fine though, it's what I use because I really can't be arsed paying for a laser until this one breaks but if you want extra precision laser is the way to go.

RubNTizZugs
06-23-2010, 02:28 AM
Thanks for the swift replies, but I get the sense that you guys, being likely high DPI users won't graft what I'm talking about in this thread.

No, I'm not at all a sniper for one thing. I like to run and gun with the automatic weapons and make a mess out of my targets by picking off their scalps.

The reason a lot of pro gamers play @ 400 dpi is because you can tune your aim very finely. There is a technique to doing it while still being able to make fast 180 turns, but it's really a matter of preference, and in my case carpal tunnel syndrome.

At low Dpi, you have to move your mouse a lot faster to make quick turns. This is where even current generation laser mice crap out. They simply cannot read the quick fast and far movements as well as optical. Hopefully the next gen of laser mice will compensate for this, but until then...

Again thanks for the replies and if anyone else has anything usefull to offer I'm very glad to hear it!

BoldyBald
06-23-2010, 02:34 AM
At low Dpi, you have to move your mouse a lot faster to make quick turns. This is where even current generation laser mice crap out. They simply cannot read the quick fast and far movements as well as optical. Hopefully the next gen of laser mice will compensate for this, but until then...

I think you are talking about polling rate of the mouse here.

Look at this, taken from razer site:
~~
1000hz Ultrapolling™ for Highspeed Responsiveness
Increase your reaction time with The Razer Spectre’s 1000Hz Ultrapolling™, executing your commands with a mere 1ms delay, up to 8 times faster than conventional gaming mice.
~~

RubNTizZugs
06-23-2010, 02:43 AM
I think you are talking about polling rate of the mouse here.

Look at this, taken from razer site:
~~
1000hz Ultrapolling™ for Highspeed Responsiveness
Increase your reaction time with The Razer Spectre’s 1000Hz Ultrapolling™, executing your commands with a mere 1ms delay, up to 8 times faster than conventional gaming mice.
~~

Razer Spectre, well that's one I have not seen yet, and I'll take a look.

However I think some of the figures that might figure into what I'm referring to are the ones related to acceleration, and perhaps samples per second.

For example the Ikari laser will do 20g acceleration and 40,000 samples per second, whereas the G9X is 30g and 150,000 samples per second. I believe top optical mice are rated much closer to the Ikari in terms of g forces and the g9x in terms of samples per second.

Not entirely sure if those are the relevant specs or not, but what I can tell you from feeling is that at low dpi optical mice are still more responsive to the touch than the best generation of current lasers.

CCCowboy
06-23-2010, 02:53 AM
my mouse is better than everyone's!!! :o

no, i'm not telling what it is :)

RubNTizZugs
06-23-2010, 03:00 AM
my mouse is better than everyone's!!! :o

no, i'm not telling what it is :)

Well I guess we could talk about the OP CG if you'd rather. Or maybe you particularly hate the M60 I don't know. Better yet lets talk about the delayed patch!

Sorry to annoy you with this discussion but I'm seriously trying to figure out a good low dpi mouse and thought that other people might have something to offer in this regard. My mistake if I thought that this is what forums were for.

skacikplz
06-23-2010, 04:35 AM
no-brand laptop optical mouse - 800 dpi high sensitivity
but when i have chances to play with REAL , LASER mouse i must admit that it feels awesome (Roccat Kone rev2 3000DPI)

<AvA>Duff5000
06-23-2010, 04:40 AM
Have you tried any of the microsoft bluetrack mice? I RMAed my laser and got one of these and it is excellent.

H E X E N
06-23-2010, 04:46 AM
Best mouse = $20 Dynex at Best Buy.

ribbins
06-23-2010, 05:05 AM
I've had my Xai for about a half year now I think, and I'm loving every shot and every stroke. i play plastic pad but i would prefer a cloth pad for the good feel but plastic is more for.. competetive gaming for me, it doesnt feel as good to dragshot on but it gives me more precision

<AvA>Duff5000
06-23-2010, 05:19 AM
I've had my Xai for about a half year now I think, and I'm loving every shot and every stroke. i play plastic pad but i would prefer a cloth pad for the good feel but plastic is more for.. competetive gaming for me, it doesnt feel as good to dragshot on but it gives me more precision

I have a cloth pad. Cost like $900 tho...


Lucky it also doubles as a couch! :)

ribbins
06-23-2010, 05:24 AM
I have a cloth pad. Cost like $900 tho...


Lucky it also doubles as a couch! :)

haha thats awesome

Kuchiki_Byakuya
06-23-2010, 07:24 AM
A heavy laser mouse = perfect for gamming

SpunkyKuma
06-23-2010, 07:27 AM
Optical is the way to go, laser is very picky about what surface you use.

Sk1lld
06-23-2010, 07:55 AM
I'm using the Razer Deathadder 1600DPI "Old Deathadder" @ 450DPI and 500hz, I have it flashed to the latest NDC firmware, 6/12 windows setting. It so far is the closest to the best mouse I have used.

Pro's: very accurate, good shape.

Con's: very heavy to me, high lift off.

A review of most mouse brands, NOTE: It's from 2007 so some of this has changed.

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=5

<AvA>Duff5000
06-23-2010, 08:00 AM
Optical is the way to go, laser is very picky about what surface you use.

This is why i RMAed my laser. Bluetrack is better than both tho.

M270MLRS
06-23-2010, 08:02 AM
I'm using a Razor Mamba at 1000Hz at 4000DPI. Seems prefect for me.

SpunkyKuma
06-23-2010, 08:07 AM
I'm using the Razer Deathadder 1600DPI "Old Deathadder" @ 450DPI and 500hz, I have it flashed to the latest NDC firmware, 6/12 windows setting. It so far is the closest to the best mouse I have used.

Pro's: very accurate, good shape.

Con's: very heavy to me, high lift off.

A review of most mouse brands, NOTE: It's from 2007 so some of this has changed.

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=5

I have the new 3500dpi Deathadder (left hand), it's a sweet mouse, I used a Diamondback (not 3G) for over 4 years until the buttons wore out that they stopped working then got a Copperhead which went bad in about 3 months then I got the Deathadder. So far it's a very good mouse for me.

Sk1lld
06-23-2010, 08:13 AM
I have the new 3500dpi Deathadder (left hand), it's a sweet mouse, I used a Diamondback (not 3G) for over 4 years until the buttons wore out that they stopped working then got a Copperhead which went bad in about 3 months then I got the Deathadder. So far it's a very good mouse for me.

I have not used the new 3500DPI but heard good things about it, I think Deathadder is the way to go for low sensitivity players.

Still I wish it wasn't so heavy but others may like that feature.

Had the mouse for over a year now, absolutely no issues so far.

Squa7ch
06-23-2010, 08:28 AM
best mouse I've ever owned, crappy optical Ideazon Reaper + overclocked report rate (500Hz) @400DPI in game / 1600DPI for desktop usage...friend has a razer mouse of some sort, 1000Hz with his nice CRT monitor capable of 120Hz refresh rate...other than the mouse not fitting my hand the way I would like it to it was fantastic...this new laser mouse I have blows :(...going to either buy a G5/MX518/Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 sometime in the near future

Sk1lld
06-23-2010, 08:46 AM
best mouse I've ever owned, crappy optical Ideazon Reaper + overclocked report rate (500Hz) @400DPI in game / 1600DPI for desktop usage...friend has a razer mouse of some sort, 1000Hz with his nice CRT monitor capable of 120Hz refresh rate...other than the mouse not fitting my hand the way I would like it to it was fantastic...this new laser mouse I have blows :(...going to either buy a G5/MX518/Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 sometime in the near future

The G5 is a good mouse for high sensitivity players but has issues with low sensitivity settings and some surfaces.

The MX518 is close to perfect, my only issue with it is it's "On The Fly" DPI button placement. If you play it on lowest DPI setting it's not a problem, but any higher you will have problems. The button is next to the scroll wheel. You'll find yourself hitting it accidentally all the time in battle.

The IE3.0 is a great mouse, pro gamers still use it. The problem with it is it has negative acceleration, but you can get used to that. What I couldn't get used to was it's cheap feel and it rattling every time I moved it. :(

If you like the MX518 or G5 shape, a better option would be the G500, it has the updated G9 sensor and is a good all around choice with that shape in mind.

faust_br
06-23-2010, 09:27 AM
Well, I use a Razer Lachesis (1000Hz Ultrapolling/4000DPI) and I refuse to use other mouse. It's perfect because you can change your DPI setting on the fly. So when going infantry I use 2000 DPI and when using tanks I change do 4000.

Great mouse. And Razer's mouse are beautiful.

surfacewound
06-23-2010, 09:38 AM
Well, I use a Razer Lachesis (1000Hz Ultrapolling/4000DPI) and I refuse to use other mouse. It's perfect because you can change your DPI setting on the fly. So when going infantry I use 2000 DPI and when using tanks I change do 4000.

Great mouse. And Razer's mouse are beautiful.

Yeah the G9x lets you do the same thing. I use ~2000dpi w/ infantry too, bump it to 3300dpi for using mounted weapons/vehicle machine guns, and max it to 5700dpi for main tank guns and sometimes the stationary AT gun.

CCCowboy
06-23-2010, 09:40 AM
I'm not willing to go back into the stoneage and get an mx518 or MS IE 3.0 as for one thing they simply aren't available here and I like to "try before I buy" so to speak.



the best mouse for you IS the mx518, but...it really doesn't matter what mouse any of us name - because you like to 'try before you buy' so to speak.

you can easily buy said mouse off of the internet, but as stated, you're not going to buy without trying first, thus making this whole thread pointless (the mx518 and the MS IE 3.0 are easy to get/sold at most stores, so you'll probably have an even harder time getting a 'specialty' mouse where you live).

...just sayin'... :rolleyes:

Guhn.E
06-23-2010, 01:53 PM
The 518 isn't exactly stoneage, hell, it's still so popular that Logitech hasn't dropped it like they have the G5

BoldyBald
06-23-2010, 02:04 PM
The 518 isn't exactly stoneage, hell, it's still so popular that Logitech hasn't dropped it like they have the G5

It's a pretty good mouse, when you keep in mind it's coming from logitech. (the major supplier in mice and not a specialist)

Guhn.E
06-23-2010, 07:35 PM
I haven't had any problems with Logitech stuff. I think I've used nothing but their mice the last decade

Hell, their customer service is awesome. The left tilt on my G5 started going to crap recently and after a few chats with Logitech, they're replacing it with a G500(yay 3yr warranty)

BoldyBald
06-24-2010, 12:07 AM
I haven't had any problems with Logitech stuff. I think I've used nothing but their mice the last decade

Hell, their customer service is awesome. The left tilt on my G5 started going to crap recently and after a few chats with Logitech, they're replacing it with a G500(yay 3yr warranty)

There is nothing wrong with Logitech. It's just not state-of-the-art stuff. I mean Razer tends to be half a year ahead in mice technology. (probably because their focus of the business is primarily on mice)

Lt. Kush
06-24-2010, 01:44 AM
FPS - Optical It's as simple as that.

I recommend the SteelSeries Ikari Optical, if it's still on sale at all.

Guhn.E
06-24-2010, 01:00 PM
There is nothing wrong with Logitech. It's just not state-of-the-art stuff. I mean Razer tends to be half a year ahead in mice technology. (probably because their focus of the business is primarily on mice)Actually their focus is a bit more on everything. Keyboards, mice, headphones/speakers, etc, etc
Still, their stuff hasn't let me down yet so I'm not in any hurry to bounce to anyone else

Squa7ch
06-24-2010, 04:19 PM
I haven't had any problems with Logitech stuff. I think I've used nothing but their mice the last decade

Hell, their customer service is awesome. The left tilt on my G5 started going to crap recently and after a few chats with Logitech, they're replacing it with a G500(yay 3yr warranty)

My cousin was having problems with her G5, the cord was shorting out so they replaced it with a G500...♥♥♥♥♥ ;)

NightLegacy
06-24-2010, 05:27 PM
FPS - Optical It's as simple as that.

I recommend the SteelSeries Ikari Optical, if it's still on sale at all.

Doesn't the Deathadder use a laser?

The Package
06-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Most hardcore FPS players use Optical for the simple fact that they don't want to change mice from what they've always used.

I've used a Mx510 for half a decade and wouldn't change unless it broke. Then again I'd probably just buy another 510.

fumanshoe64
06-24-2010, 07:57 PM
i have a wireless logitech trackman but it's nearly impossible to snipe with and difficult for others things so had to switch.

RubNTizZugs
06-25-2010, 03:17 AM
FPS - Optical It's as simple as that.

I recommend the SteelSeries Ikari Optical, if it's still on sale at all.

You can still purchase this from their site. However my experience is that the high liftoff and heavy back end of this mouse makes it too frustrating. Otherwise it's fantastic.

RubNTizZugs
06-25-2010, 03:18 AM
Doesn't the Deathadder use a laser?

It's got an infrared sensor, I'm guessing that's fancy talk for optical?

RubNTizZugs
06-25-2010, 03:19 AM
Most hardcore FPS players use Optical for the simple fact that they don't want to change mice from what they've always used.

I've used a Mx510 for half a decade and wouldn't change unless it broke. Then again I'd probably just buy another 510.

I disagree, I think most hardcore FPS players use optical because at low dpi it seems to track and feel much better than laser.

RubNTizZugs
06-25-2010, 03:21 AM
I'm using the Razer Deathadder 1600DPI "Old Deathadder" @ 450DPI and 500hz, I have it flashed to the latest NDC firmware, 6/12 windows setting. It so far is the closest to the best mouse I have used.

Pro's: very accurate, good shape.

Con's: very heavy to me, high lift off.

A review of most mouse brands, NOTE: It's from 2007 so some of this has changed.

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=5

Thanks for the helpful info. Perhaps it's time to dust off the Deathadder and give it another shot. Just hate weight and high liftoff myself.

SpunkyKuma
06-25-2010, 07:14 AM
Thanks for the helpful info. Perhaps it's time to dust off the Deathadder and give it another shot. Just hate weight and high liftoff myself.

I don't experience the high liftoff, I lift it and the pointer barely moves. The Logitech one I had (I forget the model now) had a huge liftoff I couldn't bear it and it messed me up in FPS games. But that's the new Deathadder 3500dpi, maybe Razer fixed it.

The_Gump
06-25-2010, 07:39 AM
Whats an honest review of a M$ X5 2000dpi?

Guhn.E
06-25-2010, 09:06 AM
I disagree, I think most hardcore FPS players use optical because at low dpi it seems to track and feel much better than laser.That's what DPI settings are for
The G5 goes down to at least 400dpi, maybe lower
That makes sense actually, if the mouse isn't reading the surface as much, it'll be less jittery

Squa7ch
06-25-2010, 10:20 AM
imo an optical mouse (with a polling rate of 500Hz or higher) tracks better at a lower DPI than a laser mouse with the same DPI setting.

=CF=Hurricane
06-25-2010, 11:20 AM
If you like a slow mouse (e.g. that you have to pick up your mouse) you can achieve this by lowering the sensitivity. High DPI on a very low sensitivity setting would result in being really precise in your aiming.

My mouse have this presets configs:

400dpi
600dpi (current set)
1200dpi
1600dpi
2000dpi

So, if I got your point, as example, I must change to 2000dpi and after this, slow de sensibility in game settings to get a better precise in my aiming?

RubNTizZugs
06-26-2010, 04:32 PM
My mouse have this presets configs:

400dpi
600dpi (current set)
1200dpi
1600dpi
2000dpi

So, if I got your point, as example, I must change to 2000dpi and after this, slow de sensibility in game settings to get a better precise in my aiming?

I've seen many people argue points on both sides here. Some say increase dpi and reduce sens and it will reduce skips and errors, however I've also read what seems to be informed people say the opposite, and using higher dpi will also in some cases introduce acceleration or decceleration.


Whats an honest review of a M$ X5 2000dpi?

I've never tried the x5 but the x8 is a big, heavy brick that tracks poorly at low dpi. Seemed pretty gimmicky to me.

joekingston
06-26-2010, 04:46 PM
I'm not willing to go back into the stoneage and get an mx518 or MS IE 3.0 as for one thing they simply aren't available here and I like to "try before I buy" so to speak.

You can buy new MSIE 3.0's from tigerdirect.com. Apparently, Microsoft is still making them. They are the newest kind, with the "GotFrag" symbol on the box. It also has quotes from professional teams such as Team3D (no longer exists) and SK Gaming, endorsing the mouse. The electronics are updated also, 450 dpi and 9000 frame per second tracking.

On a personal note, I've gone through four MSIE 3.0's in the past 10 years. They really are the perfect mouse for me and work superb with all my games, including BC2. The only downside is they are big so if you have small hands, you should look elsewhere.

SpunkyKuma
06-26-2010, 05:12 PM
I've seen many people argue points on both sides here. Some say increase dpi and reduce sens and it will reduce skips and errors, however I've also read what seems to be informed people say the opposite, and using higher dpi will also in some cases introduce acceleration or decceleration.


For me it's:

high dpi lower sens = easier to point exactly where I want.

low dpi raise sens = like skating on ice, the tiniest movement slips and hard to point at a pixel across the map in FPS games.

I had to use my Logitech wireless when my Copperhead stopped working, what a nightmare it was to use when playing BC2 and other games and at times I couldn't point and click a button on the web browser without missing it. lol