Epic!!!

[JustGam3r]

Where is gears? I think they should release it on steam. And 2nd on pc. Once new xbox will be outed then they will push it out for $$$

[sendbeer@yahoo.]

I think they have stated that they won't be porting gears 2 to the PC. They sited piracy as a reason.

[LATTEH]

the main reason gears isn't on steam is because of microsoft... there the publisher

[Bullett00th]

piracy-shmiracy...
the first Gears would have been much more successful in terms of sales, had it NOT used GfWL.

and Microsoft doesn't want Gears on PC because they need more exclusives on xbox. Halo games are the only worthy xbox exclusives, so my guess is that microsoft payed a crapload of money to Cliff so that Epic would make another xbox exclusive series. pathetic...

[JustGam3r]

Well then he can afford to develop such stupidity as Bulletstorm.

[Ecnal1071]

the main reason gears isn't on steam is because of microsoft... their the publisher

I corrected it for you.

[VividNinjaScar]

piracy-shmiracy...
the first Gears would have been much more successful in terms of sales, had it NOT used GfWL.



Batman, Resident Evil, Street Fighter IV, Fallout 3, ect. Gears of War's main problem is the availability. You could only buy it at a few places, and it isn't available online at this point.



and Microsoft doesn't want Gears on PC because they need more exclusives on xbox. Halo games are the only worthy xbox exclusives, so my guess is that microsoft payed a crapload of money to Cliff so that Epic would make another xbox exclusive series. pathetic...

The PC is likely to play second fiddle to the 360 for a while. It isn't about Microsoft hating the PC. It is about them trying to get into the living rooms. The have to make the Xbox look more appealing so they can latch onto that demographic. That is why the Xbox is being shaped as a media player with Netflix and such.

[Jito463]

the main reason gears isn't on steam is because of microsoft... there the publisher

the main reason gears isn't on steam is because of microsoft... their the publisher

I corrected it for you.

Oh, that's epic. Let me correct your correction.

the main reason gears isn't on steam is because of microsoft... they're the publisher

[Bullett00th]

Well then he can afford to develop such stupidity as Bulletstorm.
first of all, bulletstorm is awesome. tastes differ, but i loved painkiller and im sure i will love bulletstorm.
secondly, Epic doesn't develop Bulletstorm. its a game from People can fly - the guys who made Painkiller. Cliff is only testing the game and aiding them with some design advice

Batman, Resident Evil, Street Fighter IV, Fallout 3, ect. Gears of War's main problem is the availability. You could only buy it at a few places, and it isn't available online at this point.
true, however FO3 is a single player game, RE5 mostly is too and SF only uses 2 people per game when playing online. i'm just saying GfWL isn't suited for an online community. its purpose was to appeal to that community, but imo it failed miserably.

Oh, that's epic. Let me correct your correction.
+rep for grammar

[VividNinjaScar]

true, however FO3 is a single player game, RE5 mostly is too and SF only uses 2 people per game when playing online. i'm just saying GfWL isn't suited for an online community. its purpose was to appeal to that community, but imo it failed miserably.



Oh, the point was that those games all sold extremely well, especially for the PC. Games for Windows - LIVE did not hinder those sales one bit. There is only a small fraction of gamers that will not buy a game because it uses GFWL, just like there is a tiny portion that will not buy it if it uses Steamworks.

It hasn't failed anything at all. It is still growing, like Steam was back in the day. GFWL is only three years old, and seems to be equal to or greater than what Steam was when it was three, five years ago. I think it works great, as you can tell by my post history.

[Bullett00th]

the examples you mentioned sold well because those were great games, not because they were using GfWL. and again, i am pointing out the multiplayer here.
besides, GfWL not only doesn't let you download the game if you have the cd key, it forces you to have the cd in your drive. this is ridiculous. what's the point of it then? steam, while being a DRM, has a huge load of functions that make the player's life easier. GfWL has what, achievements and a friendlist. wow.

so ok, maybe there is a certain amount of people who are satisfied with GfWL. however if you had a choice whether to buy a GfWL version of the game or one without it - which would you pick? for me GfWL sign is like 'additional headache included'.
however i would take a steam version of the game over a retail one ANY DAY.

[VividNinjaScar]

The original point was just about sales and GFWL's effect on them. Obviously, it doesn't. What matters is if the game is good or not. Dawn of War 2 sold very well, and it combines Steamworks/GFWL. GTA IV is another example of a great selling game.

You don't require a CD if you buy it online, obviously. The only problem at this point is not being able to register your retail copies to the client. GFWL and Steam are just about equal in features. All I can think of Steam having over GFWL is a web browser, and it has a better chat system. Other than that, they both have voice chat, friends(with GFWL system being better in this way IF you have friends on consoles), achievements, matchmaking, online store, ect.

Picking one over the other just comes down to personal preference. For example, the LIVE version of Dark Void was highly desired. Most waited for it to be available on Games on Demand, as opposed to buying it retail.

[Bullett00th]

i still don't agree that GfWL is even remotely close to being equal to steam, but i understand that tastes differ. all i can tell you is the simple fact that if a game with multiplayer requires GfWL - i most probably won't buy it and same goes for my friends. yes, i hate it that much after using it for a while

[Jito463]

+rep for grammar

Heh, thanks. I wasn't going to post anything (grammar mistakes are as abundant as opinions, on the internet), but if they're going to correct someone, they really should make sure they're correcting them properly. :)

[JustGam3r]

i still don't agree that GfWL is even remotely close to being equal to steam, but i understand that tastes differ. all i can tell you is the simple fact that if a game with multiplayer requires GfWL - i most probably won't buy it and same goes for my friends. yes, i hate it that much after using it for a while

If would be a nightmare if pc would get Halo 3 and GoW 2 with GFWL once the new xbox would be outed.

[sn00zie]

it seems epic is kinda turning their back on the PC nowadays. Very said to see this as UT is probably my most favorite game!

[JustGam3r]

I just want them to release GOW 1 on steam with no GFWL. Otherwise I am skipping it :) Microsoft needs to admit that they failed with pc gaming and shut down their service.

[VividNinjaScar]

I just want them to release GOW 1 on steam with no GFWL. Otherwise I am skipping it :) Microsoft needs to admit that they failed with pc gaming and shut down their service.

Lol, GFWL is doing just fine. Microsoft will never close it down.

GoW is available from Games on Demand on the Games for Windows marketplace. It is only $20, so you can pick it up super cheap.

[JustGam3r]

Are you somekind M$ fanboy? I dont want this type of opinion ;)

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1360212

[VividNinjaScar]

Wut??

[JustGam3r]

Why you keep supporting GFWL? Its terrible, I hate it. Steam owns it. Same with D2D and other publishers who cant compete.

[VividNinjaScar]

Why you keep supporting GFWL? Its terrible, I hate it. Steam owns it. Same with D2D and other publishers who cant compete.

Why you keep supporting Steam? Its terrible, I hate it. GFWL owns it. Same with D2D and other publishers who cant compete.

[JustGam3r]

Then get out of Steam forums and got to GFWL forums. You disgust the respectible members of this forum get out 1!!

[VividNinjaScar]

Good god, it is almost like that went right over your head.

[Jito463]

@VividNinjaScar
Almost? That was so far over his head, it may as well have been riding Haley's Comet.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of GFWL, but I don't have any hatred for it. Even though it's optional in Fallout 3, I still ended up enabling it, and it hasn't caused me any problems. I refuse to buy anything through their service (especially the DLC, which is far overpriced), but I don't have an issue using it.

[JustGam3r]

Sorry about that. GFWL is not bad, not bad at all. Interesting that Halo 2 pc has Halo 3 achievements. I hope one day they will release all Halo's on pc and more importantly on steam. Same with Gears.