So after A10 its AH64 and then Hind?

[Lio]

Ive read somewhere but cant find it again that after ED are done with the A10 they will be doing the Apache and then the Hind.

Anyone know if this is true?
And if it is do you know what version of the Apache and Hind?

I wouldnt mind the Longbow version just to try something more modern then the KA-50. The A version is still a step up i guess from the KA-50 in terms of night optics etc.

The HIND i find kinda uninterrsting, i played the old old old Hind-D game. It flys more like a airplane then a chopper. But if i get to drop special forces on and off that would make up for it :D otherwise the Mi-28N (the milimeter wave band rader version) would be a awesome choice and properly my favorite if i had to make my pick(with the KA-52 a close second).

Just please something day/night all weather capeable.

[ShalashakaDS]

They havent said a (oficial) word yet. I think a year or two ago they released a list of possible aircrafts they would consider making a DCS module in wich the apache and the hind where. BUT, whats been said now, is that they havent decided yet and they will only make a public anouncement after A-10 is released and patched IIRC. Everything said till then is only speculation.
One last thing you should consider, its very unlikely that you will see a longbow, ka-52 or mi-28n, mainly due the large amount of classified systems on them. The guys from ED said many times that they will not make a game based on a system that doesnt have enougth reliable, declassified data avaiable.

PS: i think they havent even said anything about the next module being necessarily an helicopter, we may be getting anything from a heli to a fighter.

PPS: i may be very wrong.

[Lio]

Hmm well yeah i guess i can see the problem with making a one to one simulation of a partialy classified aircraft.

Guess i just have to sit tight.

[fearlessfrog]

My guess would be either a Russian type (they do training sims and are a Russian company) or an export license US jet. The upcoming A10 DCS is based on the US National Guard sim they provided.

Personally I'd like a:

- Harrier GR7/AV8B study sim, ideally with a Falklands map and Mirages. VSTOL!

- F16 Export- J, ideally over Korea, plus modern day Chinese Mig variants. Falcon guys might get jumpy though unless details are exact.

- FA18 (not E, just export) with carrier ops and maybe a Persian Gulf map.

What would people want to see?

[rainn24]

Eagle Dynamics is one of the most tight lipped companies out there, it really is typical of them for their first press release with a release date to come *after* their game is already out. They do a good job of delivering what they promise though, or maybe that's promising on what they deliver. After they are done with the A-10C though I suspect they will let us know which direction they will be heading, they just won't tell us when they expect to be there.

I heard a rumor somewhere that stated the AH64 wasn't going to happen because they couldn't get their hands on enough of the internals they needed to do the job properly, but it's just rumors.

Since wild speculation is just about all we have, I will add my own prediction that they're going to head after an air to air fighter...either doing a high fidelity version of one of the aircraft from LockOn or perhaps something new like an F-14 or F-18. The last interview I know of (http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/7060/DCS__A-10C_Producer_Interview_-_Exclusive_Screenshots.html) lists what criteria they pick new aircraft with. Our opinions are on the list, but the first and second one they list are having an existing contract and having access to pilots and documentation of the aircraft in question.

Still, all in all I'd like a Harrier too :-D

[fearlessfrog]

Yep, it's a strange time in Air Superiority jets in that a real 'gamers' headline sim would be either a F22 or a F35. Getting decent real info on those for a AFM would get you put in jail :)

I never thought of DCS as an 'historical sim' series, but I guess it is? AFAIK Ka50's aren't in common service, as a product of the 80's, while even the A10 is a lot of the original 70s airframe and unique in role.

It's like you need a type that is older and export (unclassified) but still flying or not being replaced. Block 52 F16s or FA18D makes most sense on the US side - I wonder if the National Guard is buying more type trainers from BIS, as that would be a big clue..

[Lio]

I wouldnt mind a F16/F18 sim if i couldnt get a new helo sim.

Just hope they dont pick a Air superiority fighter since air to air is sexy in movies but BVR shoot outs just dont have alot of fun factor(imho).

But i remember being very fond of Janes FA-18, but it was also a really nice mix of air to air and air to ground and carrier ops.

[Yurgon]

I'd really appreciate DCS:F/A-18C. DCS:F-16 would be totally cool too. Once I'd entered the 6DOF Shark pit, I just couldn't get back to F4. Besides, the last time I properly performed the dance is a long while ago.

DCS:AH-64 would introduce an interesting problem: how does a single pilot command an aircraft specifically designed for two? Same goes for the F-14 and lots of other aircraft.

My favourite would be a helicopter that
a) can be flown be one pilot
b) is used for SAR and CSAR type missions
c) is used for behind enemy lines ops

Could be the Hind, the Huey, the Blackhawk (all of them pretty much lack the single pilot condition) or more preferably Loaches and the like.

Just imagine getting into a hot LZ in a OH-6, the heli loaded with troops desperately needed on the ground, bullets flying from all sides and no time to think about standard operating procedures trying to touch down and get back in the air two seconds later...

Anyway, whatever ED throws at us, I'll probably love it. As a pal put it, he'd even appreciate DCS:Neustrashimy. :-)

[fearlessfrog]

One other option I forgot is the EuroFighter Typhoon. It has a glass cockpit, multirole and single seat. There are quite a few member countries, so getting info wouldn't be too bad. Having seen one up close they are a good looking frame too, ie very Griffeny :)

I dont know why though, but I have a gut feeling it'll be a Su34 anyway...

[fearlessfrog]

I'd really appreciate DCS:F/A-18C. DCS:F-16 would be totally cool too. Once I'd entered the 6DOF Shark pit, I just couldn't get back to F4. Besides, the last time I properly performed the dance is a long while ago.

DCS:AH-64 would introduce an interesting problem: how does a single pilot command an aircraft specifically designed for two? Same goes for the F-14 and lots of other aircraft.

My favourite would be a helicopter that
a) can be flown be one pilot
b) is used for SAR and CSAR type missions
c) is used for behind enemy lines ops

Could be the Hind, the Huey, the Blackhawk (all of them pretty much lack the single pilot condition) or more preferably Loaches and the like.

Just imagine getting into a hot LZ in a OH-6, the heli loaded with troops desperately needed on the ground, bullets flying from all sides and no time to think about standard operating procedures trying to touch down and get back in the air two seconds later...

Anyway, whatever ED throws at us, I'll probably love it. As a pal put it, he'd even appreciate DCS:Neustrashimy. :-)

If they do model a dual seat then the Marines SuperCobra would be nice - lots of unclassified info on that (unlike Longbow still).

Maybe they could do co-op MP, ie find someone online with aggression issues to be your CO/G :)

[Lio]

Just read up on wiki for the Su34 and it looks really nice. Both in looks (Sukhoi planes have always looked distinctivly russian and cool) and in mission profile and avionics.

Ha awesome it even have a toilet and small kitchen :D

But im afraid it again is to new to be declassified. Its avionic suite sounds advanced so i doubt ED would make it.

Why is the world so cruel.

[Hokum]

Just wait another ten years then they can make it, with better graphics to boot.

[Yurgon]

If they do model a dual seat then the Marines SuperCobra would be nice - lots of unclassified info on that (unlike Longbow still).

Maybe they could do co-op MP, ie find someone online with aggression issues to be your CO/G :)

Yeah, the Cobra would be nice as well. I like the idea of the Marines version - what better way to get the adrenaline rushing than a bad weather approach on a Tarawa class LHA after some tough CAS mission. :-)

I think the co-op option is a must have for any two-seat aircraft; if the other guy was always AI controlled, there would be no benefit in simulating a two-seater.

[rainn24]

Again, all the news is really pretty old regarding this, but I remembered ED mentioning co-op in two seat aircraft and dug out the quote...which is from late 2007.

From http://combatace.com/topic/22768-dcs-black-shark-faq/

"We are already developing the A-10A “Warthog" and AH-64A “Apache” (with planned front-seat / back-seat multiplayer)"

Well, still no official word yet about the Apache, also the next DCS module is an A-10C, not the A-10A. But hey, if any of that sentence is true I hope it's the front-seat / back-seat multiplayer part because I love to fly, love to blow stuff up, and love to do it with friends in the cockpit.

Also, has anyone else noticed? DCS used to have Russian information for the A-10C up on their main page but it was hidden. I won't post the link because it doesn't work anymore! Maybe they're finally going to put up the official page for the A-10, or they just got tired of us oogling weapon loadouts in cyrillic.

[coltsim]

apache is practically confirmed. they had work in progress shots of the cockpit.

[Inous]

Here's an old interview with producer Matt Wagner that talks about F-16 and Su-27 Modules already in development for DCS

Q: A follow-up to the previous question. Presumably someday DCS will decide to develop an air-to-air combat sim. Do you anticipate any more emphasis in an air-to-air product than an air-to-ground flight sim?

A: Currently, the emphasis is on air-to-ground combat with the Ka-50 and the A-10C to follow. However, we already have several air-to-air fighters like the Su-27 and F-16 in development to be introduced into the DCS environment at a later date. As we get closer to releasing these modules, more resources will be allocated to air-to-air combat and all the related issues like air-to-air missile performance, air-to-air radar, AI tactics, etc. For now though, most of our efforts are focused on such things as ground unit AI, forward air controller interactions, and even better close air support AI. One step at a time.

Article found here:

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_394b.html

[Inous]

EDIT:
OOPS! Posted twice on accident..

[LuciferInTears]

After i get my degree, i want to join the marines and go through flight school so that hopefully i can fly the AH-1 SuperCobra

So i guess, i'd really like them to release the SuperCobra rather than the apache.