ATi better than nvidia they said

[BreenGuyLOL]

so i got a new computer recently with ATi hd 5650 512 mb. my friend has nvidia 9500 gt 1gb.
so i tested tf2. on anti-aliasing i only have 8x msaa but my friend has 16xqq.
im guessing 16xqq is better. but on my video card settings i can get 32x normal antialiasing and many more options. so i said hell yea my card is better than his.

I maxed everything out and ingame too (NFS: most wanted) and what i got was 12 fps. but oh man - i didnt see any pixels at all. no vertical pixels no nothing. thats strange cuz on most games i get 10 fps less than normal but on most wanted i get exactly 12 total fps. and i tell ya it looks better than his graphics. but he insists that just because he has qqaa and stuff, his graphics are better.

now why dont I have more advanced options like his. i only got max - 32x anti-aliasing edge-detected; smoothvision HDAA 16x; something called catalyst A.I; high level mipmap; high level vertical refresh; and super-sample AA. now does that make my video card better than his nvidia 9500 gt

[real4xor]

er.... please... many PLEEEAAA`s to use the enter key a little more. (or re-edit your post).

I`d say ATI is better, but that`s because NVIDIA had a huge FAIL 1 or 2 years back and all I could get were ♥♥♥♥ty nvidia cards, or average ATI cards. Either that or overpriced stuff.
Currently I got 2 ATI cards, although some games have less support, I haven`t had much trouble with it. And most games run smooth.
Meh, I say ATI = The new GFXLord.

[dillonsurdaddy]

Your 5670 is significantly newer than your friends 9500gt. Your card also supports dx11 which is why you have more aa/msaa settings.The 9500gt has dx9.
Newer tech is obviously gonna trump old tech... so no ATI isnt better; it really comes down to user preference/budget when comparing two like cards

[NJuice]

Your card also supports dx11 which is why you have more aa/msaa settings.The 9500gt has dx9.

No that's not it. That's completely erroneous. Both ATI and NVIDIA have different AA techniques exclusive to them. ATI has wide-tent, narrow-tent, edge-detect, AAA and NVIDIA has CSAA, MSTRAA, SSTRAA, etc. That's regardless of what DirectX compliance they offer.

And the 9500GT is a DX10 card.


it really comes down to user preference/budget when comparing two like cards

That, however, is true.

[NotYourHero]

You bought a weak ati card, GG. Anything less than a 5770 is trash.

[nabokovfan87]

In the ati catalyst control center, under 3d, set everything to let application decide, turn catalyst AI to disabled, and then set mipmap detail to max quality. Then, control things like AA and so forth through the game itself. In testing (hours and hours of it), I have found the ati driver side stuff doesn't work as well, it doesnt look as good, and catalyst AI actually took performance instead of adding to it.

Also, keep in mind, for the 5xxx series of graphics cards, it goes:

59xx/58xx then 57xx and then 56xx, that is 3 tiers for your card to be downgraded, removing shader processers and limiting the ram bandwidth. You should expect less performance in newer games because it isn't meant to run todays games, just made for a cheap HTPC card that will do bitstreaming audio out and so forth.

On your friends side, nvidia's tiers would be:

98xx then 97xx then 96xx and then the 95xx, so his is a 4th tier card. Less then yours, i.e. expect worse performance in addition to the dx10 vs. 11 and the fact that it is years older.

Yours:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Mobili ty_Radeon_HD_5xxx_Series

His:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series#GeForce_9500_GT

So they both have 128-bit memory and ddr3, the real difference is that his is desktop dedicated while it appears yours is laptop. DX11 vs. 10 as well, but the real difference here is time. Either way, they both are horrible at gaming.

[lo3.explicit]

lol 12fps. yay for slideshows.

sorry had to. did not mean it to be mean. but its kinda funny. its just a weak card.

[THE Nakedgun]

Your card isnt ont his list but I would expect it to be around #50 just below the 5670, your friends card is #87
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/502403-graphics-card-ranking-5th-time-last.html

Top 10 cards 7 are ATI, so ATI is better.

[TimM]

The strongest cards out atm are ATI, but jsut go with whatever you prefer.

I myself support ATI.

[lespauljames]

You bought a weak ati card, GG. Anything less than a 5770 is trash.

im sorry but this is bull♥♥♥♥.
i have a 4850 1gb and for the price its SOOO GOOOD.

[lo3.explicit]

4850 in dx10 is as good if not better than a 5770.

hes only talking about the current gen cards, the 5XXX's. the 4850 is still a decent card.

[M270MLRS]

What CPU do you two have?

[Arbiter]

er.... please... many PLEEEAAA`s to use the enter key a little more. (or re-edit your post).

I`d say ATI is better, but that`s because NVIDIA had a huge FAIL 1 or 2 years back and all I could get were ♥♥♥♥ty nvidia cards, or average ATI cards. Either that or overpriced stuff.
Currently I got 2 ATI cards, although some games have less support, I haven`t had much trouble with it. And most games run smooth.
Meh, I say ATI = The new GFXLord.

The NVIDIA 200 series beat the pants off of the ATI 4000 series, hands down. I have a gtx 295 and it is still powering through any games I throw at it. But with the addition of a custom water cooling loop to my PC, two GTX 480s in SLI with koolance waterblocks will be added to the loop.

[TDD]

so i got a new computer recently with ATi hd 5650 512 mb. my friend has nvidia 9500 gt 1gb. so i tested tf2. on anti-aliasing i only have 8x msaa but my friend has 16xqq. im guessing 16xqq is better. but on my video card settings i can get 32x normal antialiasing and many more options. so i said hell yea my card is better than his. i maxed everything out and ingame too (NFS: most wanted) and what i got was 12 fps. but oh man - i didnt see any pixels at all. no vertical pixels no nothing. thats strange cuz on most games i get 10 fps less than normal but on most wanted i get exactly 12 total fps. and i tell ya it looks better than his graphics. but he insists that just because he has qqaa and stuff, his graphics are better. now why dont I have more advanced options like his. i only got max - 32x anti-aliasing edge-detected; smoothvision HDAA 16x; something called catalyst A.I; high level mipmap; high level vertical refresh; and super-sample AA. now does that make my video card better than his nvidia 9500 gt

DO you even know what these technical details do?

8x MSAA
16xQQ
32x MSAA
High-Level mipmap
super-sample Anti Aliasing.

If not, then stop complaining.

If so, you'd understand there's more to graphic quality than one form of anti aliasing.

You have a basic card with very little memory by today's standards, why are you even bothering gaming with it and maxing settings? Also, you should NOT compare via TF2 unless your specs are identicle bar the card. TF2 is CPU intensive, so if you have a fantastic GFX card, and an ancient processor, you're going to get terrible performance regardless if you have a ♥♥♥♥ty AGP card or a tri-CrossFire HD5970.

In short, you have a newer card that supports newer technologies but has very low hardware specs. He has an old card that does not support newer technologies but has better hardware specs. Determining which is better depends on the situation you're comparing them by.

[Chen]

In short, you have a newer card that supports newer technologies but has very low hardware specs. He has an old card that does not support newer technologies but has better hardware specs. Determining which is better depends on the situation you're comparing them by.

HIS FRIEND HAS A 9500.
His 5650 is better on ALL accounts.

[IcarusNine]

so i got a new computer recently with...

You'll have to excuse the Hardware and Operating Systems forum. They refuse to accept anything less than 30 fps as a god-given right to humanity.

In any case, you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_remorse) and your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization) really shouldn't be arguing over whose video card is better–there's nothing to gain from it.

[NotYourHero]

im sorry but this is bull♥♥♥♥.
i have a 4850 1gb and for the price its SOOO GOOOD.

Are you kidding? Please be kidding. A 4850 is worlds better than a 5670. This was in comparison to the 5000 series.

[Pen and Tablet]

I buy whichever is cheaper for the bang, I'm a strict Ati/amd man but I'm rocking the 460 1 gig from nvidia because it was 54 dollars after bing and promotion

intel, on the otherhand, is the devil

You'll have to excuse the Hardware and Operating Systems forum. They refuse to accept anything less than 30 fps as a god-given right to humanity.

In any case, you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_remorse) and your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization) really shouldn't be arguing over whose video card is better–there's nothing to gain from it.

this is very true, I've seen countless times when people refer to cards that would easily play games on medium, and people here call then unplayable at those settings

[dosbox]

In any case, you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_remorse) and your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization) really shouldn't be arguing over whose video card is better–there's nothing to gain from it.

Nicely done, but given the sentence structure in the OP, I doubt he'd bother reading those :D

[Bad_Motha]

ATI was first have DX 10.1 and now DX11
They're already working on DX12 for Windows8
NVIDIA is just behind the game. They promote and put out more advertising then ATI though. Course that might also be why NVIDIA costs so much for the most part.

When comes to MB I like NVIDIA NForce boards, but I really like what I get out of ATI for bang for buck + features. You have to get an NVIDIA 460 just to have DX11 and they start @ $200, where as you can get a decent ATI DX11 card for around $100

[CenturyChild]

Are you kidding? Please be kidding. A 4850 is worlds better than a 5670. This was in comparison to the 5000 series.

4850 is better than a 5670 for gaming.
4890s destroy a 5670.

Older tech with no DX11 support true. But if DX11 support isn't a major factor at this point in time .. 4K series(4850,4870,4890) will run circles around the lower end 5K series no contest.

If you already have one the higher end 4K series cards, it will only be a worthwhile upgrade of a 5850 at least. Bit more performance and support for DX11. Anything less is quite simply a downgrade performance wise and not at all worth the trade off to pickup DX11.

[borg_7_of_9]

4850 is better than a 5670 for gaming.
4890s destroy a 5670.

Older tech with no DX11 support true. But if DX11 support isn't a major factor at this point in time .. 4K series(4850,4870,4890) will run circles around the lower end 5K series no contest.

If you already have one the higher end 4K series cards, it will only be a worthwhile upgrade of a 5850 at least. Bit more performance and support for DX11. Anything less is quite simply a downgrade performance wise and not at all worth the trade off to pickup DX11.

It's very interesting to see some one bring this up, its so true the 4850/70/90 are still great performers if you arn't looking for DX11.
You can always trust review's! looking at this review (http://www.ninjalane.com/reviews/video/msi_hd4890/page3.aspx)
And the UT3 result, it's way off from what I'm getting in FPS for ut3 with max setting on my core 2 quad with HD4890 im 40+FPS in front of the review and the using an I7920 @3.8G!
WTF how can that be slower than my guad by 40+fps!

[HL2-4-Life]

4890s destroy a 5670.
C'mon, is it fair to compare one of the previous gen top end ATi cards against its present lower end card?:confused: Have you even considered the price difference?

A HD4850 is still a good card (loses a smidgen to the GTS250), but that doesn't mean anything below a HD5770 is trash. Take the HD5750 for example, it trades wins against the GTS250 depending on res and AA setting (usually better with AA enabled) and can handle games up to 1680x1050, is this a 'trash' card? NO! Far from it, bear in mind that you get what you pay for, you can't pay $100 for a card and expect it to perform like a $200 card.

I paid top dollar for my HD5870s at launch, and at that price range, I'd expect awesome performance, and these badboys haven't let me down yet. Perhaps you guys have forgotten, or weren't into PCs yet at the time, but back a few years ago, one has no choice but to pay top dollar for top end cards to run games maxed out @1280x1024, 1680x1050 (let alone 1920x1200) was unattainable to most of us, including myself back then. I was awestruck by some uber gamers I'd gotten to know a few years back who had run games at such mind boggling (then) res. Hell, I now play games @5760x1200....1920x1200 just seems kinda mundane.

[The_One]

Are you kidding? Please be kidding. A 4850 is worlds better than a 5670. This was in comparison to the 5000 series.

Haha..check this review and see that 5670 is only bit weaker card than 4850 and overclocked 5670 beats it.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-r5670-cyclone-1g-review/15

I would say that 4850 is trash because it consumes more power compared to 5670 and it lacks DX11, eyinfinity and other features like DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD output over hdmi, and is bigger card.

[BreenGuyLOL]

so i guess i should put another ATi card. hd 4890 1gb? is that good for crossfire option? will i still keep the dx11 option?

[HL2-4-Life]

so i guess i should put another ATi card. hd 4890 1gb? is that good for crossfire option? will i still keep the dx11 option?Really depends on you and the res you game at. It's pointless to have so many CP options like Edge-detect AA, SSAA and such when the card is a little too underpowered to use them in real gaming. I have two HD5870s in CFX and even then, I do not use these options simply because of the fact that I'm running games at insanely high res - 5760x1200, and I'd need every bit of grunt from my cards to run games well at such a res. BTW, I don't see any mention of the res you game at, that'll be useful for us as it'd give us an idea what to recommend you. Your HD5650 and your friend's 9500GT are barely able to handle games, let alone games at higher res and/or with high AA setting. If you game @1680x1050/1920x1200/1080, then getting the HD4890 would be good, but why get the HD4890 when the HD5770 can be had for a fair bit less? According to newegg's prices, a HD4890 cost 202USD (might as well get a GTX460 at this price range) and the HD5770 cost:
PowerColor HD 5770 OC + DIRT 2 coupon @160USD
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131327&cm_re=hd_5770-_-14-131-327-_-Product

True, the HD4890 is faster, but I believe the HD5770 can handle most games pretty well even up to 1080P (with fast enough CPU and sufficient RAM) and the latter is DX11 capable to boot.

[Fatimmortal]

Get another 5670 and crossfire them.

Then you'll get a system which is miles better than his crappy 9500gt.

Anyways, I think your friend has some kind of disorder. He's actually trying to convince you that an older card that consumes more power but outputs less performance.

I mean, take a look at this (http://www.hwcompare.com/graphics/compare.php?c=GeForce-9500-GT-1GB-GDDR3-vs-Radeon-HD-5670).

[BreenGuyLOL]

Get another 5670 and crossfire them.

Then you'll get a system which is miles better than his crappy 9500gt.

Anyways, I think your friend has some kind of disorder. He's actually trying to convince you that an older card that consumes more power but outputs less performance.

I mean, take a look at this (http://www.hwcompare.com/graphics/compare.php?c=GeForce-9500-GT-1GB-GDDR3-vs-Radeon-HD-5670).

i just compared Ati hd 5670 with nvidia 9800 gt. nvidia is only better cuz its 256 bit and ati is 128 bit :(. 5670 costs 105 euros here. 5770 is 3 types - powercolor, sapphire and force3D and they all cost 165 euros each.
Should I get 5670 1gb or save up for 5770 1gb (which type). i dont intent to use my video card for the tv, just my monitor (1440 x 900 max res).

also which cards are with cooling liquid. i dont want cooling liquid.

[Fatimmortal]

i just compared Ati hd 5670 with nvidia 9800 gt. nvidia is only better cuz its 256 bit and ati is 128 bit :(. 5670 costs 105 euros here. 5770 is 3 types - powercolor, sapphire and force3D and they all cost 165 euros each.
Should I get 5670 1gb or save up for 5770 1gb (which type). i dont intent to use my video card for the tv, just my monitor (1440 x 900 max res).

also which cards are with cooling liquid. i dont want cooling liquid.

If you wanna spend as little as possible, get the 5670. If you want your rig to be as fullproof as it can be, just save up for a 5770.

[The_One]

i just compared Ati hd 5670 with nvidia 9800 gt. nvidia is only better cuz its 256 bit and ati is 128 bit :(. 5670 costs 105 euros here. 5770 is 3 types - powercolor, sapphire and force3D and they all cost 165 euros each.
Should I get 5670 1gb or save up for 5770 1gb (which type). i dont intent to use my video card for the tv, just my monitor (1440 x 900 max res).

also which cards are with cooling liquid. i dont want cooling liquid.

Get 5670 1GB if you do not plan to get new monitor with higher resolution.

And 5670 is better than 9800gt even though 9800gt has 256bit memory interface.

[BreenGuyLOL]

ok moderators can close the topic now.

[ADZ2991]

i am now an nvidia fan after getting the new gtx 460, and even the gts 250 beats the 5770 in borderlands, nvidia is better for crysis. games just like and support nvidia more, they are "the leading manufacture in visual technologies"

[zwinkletoes]

This site will let you compare all NVIDIA cards vs ATI cards in real time... fps, performance, price ... etc. Much better than annoying speculation :)

http://www.gpubench.com/gpubench/index.cfm/graphics-and-video-card-tools/

[wing0zero]

This site will let you compare all NVIDIA cards vs ATI cards in real time... fps, performance, price ... etc. Much better than annoying speculation :)

http://www.gpubench.com/gpubench/index.cfm/graphics-and-video-card-tools/

Im guessing you work for them seen as your only 4 post's post that site.

Also in you chart's the 460 is a few behind the 285 but if you look at some "real" benchmarks the 460 beats it in most (if not all) cases.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/15
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/18
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/21
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/23

Also the 5850 beats the 4870x2 on newer more demanding titles but it behind it?

Meh not sure about you results and im guessing the site is made by Buy.com

Put an add on the TV, this is a Hardware Enthusiasts forum so your cpappy ads and suspect chart wont cut it round here dood.

Provide a fair price and awsome service form your shop then you might get a mention.

[Washell]

games just like and support nvidia more, they are "the leading manufacture in visual technologies"

They have the biggest market share, which translates to making your game work properly on an Nvidia card affects the largest group of your consumers as a developer.

If it comes to picking "the leading manufacturer", I'd say the industry would pick ATI. They've been having quite a few firsts in the past couple of years.