So, why exactly all this hype?

[TrinityKei]

I see too much hype for this game in many places, and I seriously ask myself "why?".
Developer is id software right? I seriously can't recall any really good games they ever made (don't tell me they started the FPS genre cause it doesn't matter, even if they did it means nothing if they can't provide games above average in that category).
We had some nice shooters from id, like quake arena, but Doom series sucked, mostly Doom 3, and while Quake 4 wasn't bad I think they're not the ones who even developed it.
As for RAGE, we know quite little, it'll have car bits in it and should look awesome. wow.
Doom 3 was supposed to look awesome as well, but then HL2 came, and even if the game will look great, so did Crysis, and Crysis sucked, hardly enough of a reason to care about a game.
and as for the driving bits, loads of shooters has driving bits in them (HL2, CoD series, Halo).
tl;dr - why the hype about this game again?

[Nitronumber9]

So your saying ID software are no one and the games hype is just wrong?
First of all, did you actually play any of the following games by ID?
Wolfenstien 3D
Return to Castle Wolfenstien?
Doom 1+2+master levels?
Quake 1-3?
Commander Keen.
Seriously, saying the Doom series (they are still sold today)sucked was a bad move, I still play it, infact the multiplayer is far better in Doom than the entire Call of Duty series. Id have always focused on the Pc market unlike EA/Activision. Why your not even keeping an eye on RAGE I don't know.

[TrinityKei]

Umm, what?
Wolfenstein 3D, Doom 1+2 and Quake 1+2 in my opinion were only considered good cause there was hardly any good competition.
Then came Quake 3 Arena, which I will admit was a great game, and the best from ID in my opinion, but then also came out UT and finally ID had some serious competition.
ID did NOT develop Return to Castle Wolfenstein, so you should check your sources, but Return to Castle Wolfenstein did actually have a pretty good multiplayer, but since it wasn't developed by ID that means nothing towards ID.
After Quake 3 Arena in 1999, everything by ID (not much to speak of though) was nothing but mediocre, such as Doom 3 which held no ground against HL2 that was pretty much better in most if not all aspects.
And that's pretty much it, ID didn't release anything while worthy since 1999 (except Quake Live which is really Quake 3 Arena), so yeah, in my books ID is nothing but mediocre.
tl;dr - Their only good game is really Quake 3 Arena, aside from that they either had no competition or failed in comparison to other games.

[Nitronumber9]

Umm, what?
Wolfenstein 3D, Doom 1+2 and Quake 1+2 in my opinion were only considered good cause there was hardly any good competition.
So your saying then that everyone currently playing Doom + Quake don't exist and it isn't a good game now? Well thats me and a few thousand people that do not exist, both games are still going strong even now, is that not enough proof they are good?

Then came Quake 3 Arena, which I will admit was a great game, and the best from ID in my opinion, but then also came out UT and finally ID had some serious competition.

The fact that Quake 3 is now a free game and people play it proves its still a good game.


ID did NOT develop Return to Castle Wolfenstein, so you should check your sources, but Return to Castle Wolfenstein did actually have a pretty good multiplayer, but since it wasn't developed by ID that means nothing towards ID.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein
Unless Wikipedia is wrong, ID Developed RTCW. They also developed the later 2009 edition (which I agree was a tad weak)

After Quake 3 Arena in 1999, everything by ID (not much to speak of though) was nothing but mediocre, such as Doom 3 which held no ground against HL2 that was pretty much better in most if not all aspects. Doom3 came out 2003, HL2 came out 2004. Thats like me comparing America's Army to Bad Company 2. Doom 3 was a remake of Doom 1 It was a horror based shooter. I had far less problems with Doom3 than Half Life 2.

And that's pretty much it, ID didn't release anything while worthy since 1999 (except Quake Live which is really Quake 3 Arena), so yeah, in my books ID is nothing but mediocre.
Your open to your opinion, no matter how wrong or silly it is. Quake 1 has provided me so far with 16 hours of gameplay (I'm still ongoing through the 2nd mission pack) HL2 lasted me 11 hours. Without Quake 1, Half Life wouldn't have existed(Its on the Quake engine), which would mean HL2 wouldn't exist. Without Quake 2, Call of Duty wouldn't exist (same engine), Medal of Honour, Soldier of fortune. Do I need to go on at all?


tl;dr - Their only good game is really Quake 3 Arena, aside from that they either had no competition or failed in comparison to other games.
Perhaps they didn't have competition because they did it first? Everything else copied? Of course that can't possibly be right can it? Thiers only one bad game I can name by ID and thats Dartania.

Now can I suggest you actually play something by ID?

[TrinityKei]

So your saying then that everyone currently playing Doom + Quake don't exist and it isn't a good game now? Well thats me and a few thousand people that do not exist, both games are still going strong even now, is that not enough proof they are good?

The fact that Quake 3 is now a free game and people play it proves its still a good game.

I don't know how you got the information that few thousands still play the old doom and quake games regularly, but even if so, I do believe those are bad games compared to games now a days. if you think something like Doom2 has anything better to offer than stuff like F.E.A.R. I will be shocked. The fact Quake 3 is now free means no one buys it anymore? If all free games that has players are good, that means Maple Story is one of the best games ever right?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein
Unless Wikipedia is wrong, ID Developed RTCW. They also developed the later 2009 edition (which I agree was a tad weak)
Doom3 came out 2003, HL2 came out 2004. Thats like me comparing America's Army to Bad Company 2. Doom 3 was a remake of Doom 1 It was a horror based shooter. I had far less problems with Doom3 than Half Life 2.

Maybe Wiki isn't completely wrong, maybe ID had something to do with RTCW, but the main developers are Grey Matter, these are the guys who made the game, not ID. as for the new Wolfenstein, it was made by Raven Software, the same guys who made Quake 4.
Aside from Doom 3 ID didn't develop anything for a decade, or anything good really, cause even big fans of the Doom series had problems with Doom 3 and even John Carmack had acknowledged that Doom3 had some big design issues in a review with PC Gamer I believe.

Your open to your opinion, no matter how wrong or silly it is. Quake 1 has provided me so far with 16 hours of gameplay (I'm still ongoing through the 2nd mission pack) HL2 lasted me 11 hours. Without Quake 1, Half Life wouldn't have existed(Its on the Quake engine), which would mean HL2 wouldn't exist. Without Quake 2, Call of Duty wouldn't exist (same engine), Medal of Honour, Soldier of fortune. Do I need to go on at all?

Wow, so much nonsense..
Okay, so ID is good at making engines, so? does that mean their games are good? you think CoD and HL wouldn't exist otherwise? you are sadly mistaken, believe it or not, ID weren't the only company with knowledge of development, and I firmly believe both games would exist either way. As for how much time you spent on Quake, that's all nice and dandy, even if you played 150 hours in Quake and 0 in Half-life, I can tell you without a shred of doubt that most people believe that HL1\2 is better than the doom\quake series, and why do I think that? easy, HL's scores + sales are better. Everyone has their own opinion, if you think ID's games are better, that's ok, most people don't.

Perhaps they didn't have competition because they did it first? Everything else copied? Of course that can't possibly be right can it? Thiers only one bad game I can name by ID and thats Dartania.

Now can I suggest you actually play something by ID?

If you do something, and someone else copies it and does it better, tough luck. not that I know what you mean by that anyway, HL series is hardly like Doom\Quake, and the only reason I compared HL2 to Doom3 was because before any of those came out there were a lot of discussions as to which is better and a lot of comparisons.

tl;dr - even if you think Doom\Quake is better than the HL series, most people disagree, and this is based mostly on sales. In the last 10 years the only thing ID released was Doom 3 which wasn't so good, it was no more than average, so even if their first games were the best thing that ever happened (which i firmly disagree), the fact they didn't release anything above average in 10 years makes them an average company.

[Antichrist XVII]

Umm... what's with all the hype for Halo Reach? It isn't going to be any different from the previous Halos, yet people are still obsessed with it.


tl;dr - even if you think Doom\Quake is better than the HL series, most people disagree, and this is based mostly on sales.

Pfft... hahaha... yeah, because everyone knows that games being good/bad are solely dependent on how many copies they sale. Perfect example is Painkiller (one of the greatest games ever made that most people have never heard of) vs MW2 (the biggest piece of generic trash ever).

[TrinityKei]

Ofc sales alone aren't the only reason, but combine sales with great reviews + GOTY awards versus a game with average reviews and sales, and no GOTY awards, and I think its a safer bet to assume the HL series is better.

[Nitronumber9]

I don't know how you got the information that few thousands still play the old doom and quake games regularly, but even if so, I do believe those are bad games compared to games now a days. if you think something like Doom2 has anything better to offer than stuff like F.E.A.R. I will be shocked. The fact Quake 3 is now free means no one buys it anymore? If all free games that has players are good, that means Maple Story is one of the best games ever right?
Well actually heres the thing, your wrong again on so many counts, let me explain them point by point.

1. If Doom + Quake wasn't popular, why then do sourceports exist for both games? Just google Sourceports for Doom or Quake and you'll get what I mean, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean ID are rubbish.

2. I've played F.E.A.R actually but both Doom and Quake are different styles of shooters, F.E.A.R's a horror shooter, Dooms a chaos shooter (basicly taking on multiple things at once)

3. You'll find I actually brought Quake 3 (brought the Quake pack ages ago), you also can't mod live, people still make mods on the Q3 engine.

4. I think you'll find Runescape is more popular. People play things because they find it fun. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone won't.


Maybe Wiki isn't completely wrong, maybe ID had something to do with RTCW, but the main developers are Grey Matter, these are the guys who made the game, not ID. as for the new Wolfenstein, it was made by Raven Software, the same guys who made Quake 4.
Aside from Doom 3 ID didn't develop anything for a decade, or anything good really, cause even big fans of the Doom series had problems with Doom 3 and even John Carmack had acknowledged that Doom3 had some big design issues in a review with PC Gamer I believe.
Quake Wars? (That surprised me actually they made it) Also Wikipedia and Steam both say Wolfenstien 2009, ID made it (Even though I was sure Raven did it as well, but Steam says Hexen was ID when it was Raven, don't trust that) I semi agree with Doom3, it was an unnessicery shift in direction, still a good game, but weaker than 2. Can I also get a link to that review please? I fancy a read of it.


Wow, so much nonsense..
What I said when I saw your first post:D


Okay, so ID is good at making engines, so? does that mean their games are good? you think CoD and HL wouldn't exist otherwise? you are sadly mistaken, believe it or not, ID weren't the only company with knowledge of development, and I firmly believe both games would exist either way.
Lets think about it a second, if you look at any modern shooter, what were its insperations? Call of Duty most likely? Lets go back 10 years, what were those games based on? Doom perhaps?


As for how much time you spent on Quake, that's all nice and dandy, even if you played 150 hours in Quake and 0 in Half-life, I can tell you without a shred of doubt that most people believe that HL1\2 is better than the doom\quake series, and why do I think that? easy, HL's scores + sales are better. Everyone has their own opinion, if you think ID's games are better, that's ok, most people don't.
You just said somewhere up thier popularity means nothing, contradition, thierfore your comment is invalid, but no offense what about games like Painkiller (Thanks Anti for that one) Blood, Chrome and Marathon? Brillient games, barely sold yet brillient none the less?


If you do something, and someone else copies it and does it better, tough luck. not that I know what you mean by that anyway, HL series is hardly like Doom\Quake, and the only reason I compared HL2 to Doom3 was because before any of those came out there were a lot of discussions as to which is better and a lot of comparisons.
I explained this point up above somewhere, I'll go over it again Miles different games, its like comparing Halo and Dirt 2, its just silly and wrong. Those people comparing those games are also silly.


tl;dr - even if you think Doom\Quake is better than the HL series, most people disagree, and this is based mostly on sales. In the last 10 years the only thing ID released was Doom 3 which wasn't so good, it was no more than average, so even if their first games were the best thing that ever happened (which i firmly disagree), the fact they didn't release anything above average in 10 years makes them an average company.
Sure I explained this above somewhere, I can't be asked to type it yet again, go look up and find it.

BTW, *coughs* Serious Sam is better than HL2 *coughing*

[TrinityKei]

Well actually heres the thing, your wrong again on so many counts, let me explain them point by point.

1. If Doom + Quake wasn't popular, why then do sourceports exist for both games? Just google Sourceports for Doom or Quake and you'll get what I mean, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean ID are rubbish.

Never did I say they weren't popular, and never did I say no one is playing them these days, but being popular doesn't make a game awesome (MW2 comes to mind).

2. I've played F.E.A.R actually but both Doom and Quake are different styles of shooters, F.E.A.R's a horror shooter, Dooms a chaos shooter (basicly taking on multiple things at once)

It's not about the kind of shooter it is, its about the fact games today are so much more advanced than the old doom and quake games, that the old doom and quake games got nothing better to show off. I'm positive that if Doom came out today no one would buy it for a full price.[/QUOTE]

3. You'll find I actually brought Quake 3 (brought the Quake pack ages ago), you also can't mod live, people still make mods on the Q3 engine.

Okay, again, never said its not popular.

4. I think you'll find Runescape is more popular. People play things because they find it fun. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone won't.

Never said no one likes the old doom\quake games, in fact I know quite a few who love those games. my entire point is not that doom\quake are bad or unpopular, its that ID is overrated really, people give companies like Rebellion a hard time since in a decade they didn't have much to show off, but the same applies for ID as well, yet all I see about RAGE is fanboys screaming like its the next best thing since sex.

Quake Wars? (That surprised me actually they made it) Also Wikipedia and Steam both say Wolfenstien 2009, ID made it (Even though I was sure Raven did it as well, but Steam says Hexen was ID when it was Raven, don't trust that) I semi agree with Doom3, it was an unnessicery shift in direction, still a good game, but weaker than 2. Can I also get a link to that review please? I fancy a read of it.

Quake Wars was made by Splash Damage I believe, not ID. again, ID didn't make anything for a decade except for Doom3, they might have something to do with some projects, but except for Doom3 they didn't develop anything (unless you count Quake Live).
As for the link I can't find the interview I was talking about, but here's (http://kotaku.com/5611820/a-doom-3-idea-that-comes-a-little-too-late) a little something concerning the flashlight thingy in the game, and you might wanna go over some of the comments as well.

What I said when I saw your first post:D

I'm honored :)

Lets think about it a second, if you look at any modern shooter, what were its insperations? Call of Duty most likely? Lets go back 10 years, what were those games based on? Doom perhaps?

I seriously doubt Call of Duty was inspired from doom. I'll give you this much, ID was the first to do something with the FPS genre, and yeah, they invented it, but please don't tell me that if ID wouldn't come up with that no one else would. that's like saying that if Alexander Graham Bell wouldn't invent the telephone, one one else would, that's nonsense. it might have taken some other developer more time to come up with the idea, but the fact ID got it first doesn't mean its such an amazing and hard to think of concept. and I firmly believe that CoD and HL were hardly inspired by Doom, all the have in common is they are all FPS's, if you would say though that Unreal Tournament was inspired by Quake, to that I can believe.

You just said somewhere up thier popularity means nothing, contradition, thierfore your comment is invalid, but no offense what about games like Painkiller (Thanks Anti for that one) Blood, Chrome and Marathon? Brillient games, barely sold yet brillient none the less?

Well yeah, if a game is popular it doesn't necessarily means it is better, but its better to base what I'm saying on sales and awards rather than opinion. "HL2 has more awards, better scores and better sales" sounds better than "I like HL2 better" no?
As for the second part, ofc, good sales doesn't automatically means the game is good, same as no sales doesn't mean the game sucks, and Psychonauts would be a perfect example, but like I said, its a better statement than for me to say "I like HL2 better".

I explained this point up above somewhere, I'll go over it again Miles different games, its like comparing Halo and Dirt 2, its just silly and wrong. Those people comparing those games are also silly.

Not really, Doom3 and HL2 have much more in common than Halo and Dirt2, and I actually think HL2 is a good comparison for Doom3 since they are both FPS's, came around the same time, they were both going to show off new engines, and a lot more. there are a lot of similarities in my opinion.

Sure I explained this above somewhere, I can't be asked to type it yet again, go look up and find it.

if you are talking about what I said concerning ID not releasing stuff for 10 years, I assure you, in the last 10 years the only thing ID gave us was Doom3, nothing more (unless, again, you count Quake Live), this is a fact so there's no more point arguing about it.

BTW, *coughs* Serious Sam is better than HL2 *coughing*

That's fair, you are entitled to your own opinion, I never asked of you to like HL2 better than something else or consider it better, but with better sales\scores and awards, I think its safe to say most people think HL2 is better than Serious Sam and Doom\Quake Series right? again, most, cause if most wouldn't think so I would expect Doom3 to sale more and\or get more awards.

[_jema987]

Because it's time for 'The Carmack magic show' again and the programme is looking good.

Now since you so clearly have made your mind up about id and their contribution to the world of computer gaming before starting this thread you ought to know why there is a hype (even though you repeatedly choose to ignore the facts surrounding it) so what's the purpose of this thread?

[Nitronumber9]

Never did I say they weren't popular, and never did I say no one is playing them these days, but being popular doesn't make a game awesome (MW2 comes to mind).
And yet I'm sure somewhere you said that HL2 was better because it had better reviews, thus a popular comment.


It's not about the kind of shooter it is, its about the fact games today are so much more advanced than the old doom and quake games, that the old doom and quake games got nothing better to show off. I'm positive that if Doom came out today no one would buy it for a full price.
Because its 15 years old? People won't buy old stuff for full prices you know.


Okay, again, never said its not popular.

Covered above 2 bits, readie.


Never said no one likes the old doom\quake games, in fact I know quite a few who love those games. my entire point is not that doom\quake are bad or unpopular, its that ID is overrated really, people give companies like Rebellion a hard time since in a decade they didn't have much to show off, but the same applies for ID as well, yet all I see about RAGE is Hammer Legion Members screaming like its the next best thing since sex.

I like Rebellion actually and agree with people being very harse but ID overrated? Now that I disagree with, they always take a while to make games (Doom3 was 5 years in the making) Rage has been worked on for at least 5 (guessing here) years. None of us will know untill it comes out, but I'm pretty sure its going to be awesome.


Quake Wars was made by Splash Damage I believe, not ID. again, ID didn't make anything for a decade except for Doom3, they might have something to do with some projects, but except for Doom3 they didn't develop anything (unless you count Quake Live).
As for the link I can't find the interview I was talking about, but here's (http://kotaku.com/5611820/a-doom-3-idea-that-comes-a-little-too-late) a little something concerning the flashlight thingy in the game, and you might wanna go over some of the comments as well.

Decade = 12 years, Doom3 came out 2003, 2003+12=2015? wow my computers 5 years slow. The flashlight thing though I loved, (ok barely anyone else did but moving on) as
for only producing one game, they are at least contributing something to other games.
Never did I say they weren't popular, and never did I say no one is playing them these days, but being popular doesn't make a game awesome (MW2 comes to mind).
And yet I'm sure somewhere you said that HL2 was better because it had better reviews, thus a popular comment.


It's not about the kind of shooter it is, its about the fact games today are so much more advanced than the old doom and quake games, that the old doom and quake games got nothing better to show off. I'm positive that if Doom came out today no one would buy it for a full price.
Because its 15 years old? People won't buy old stuff for full prices you know, things evolve.


Okay, again, never said its not popular.

Covered above 2 bits, readie.


Never said no one likes the old doom\quake games, in fact I know quite a few who love those games. my entire point is not that doom\quake are bad or unpopular, its that ID is overrated really, people give companies like Rebellion a hard time since in a decade they didn't have much to show off, but the same applies for ID as well, yet all I see about RAGE is Hammer Legion Members screaming like its the next best thing since sex.

I like Rebellion actually and agree with people being very harse but ID overrated? Now that I disagree with, they always take a while to make games (Doom3 was 5 years in the making) Rage has been worked on for at least 5 (guessing here) years. None of us will know untill it comes out, but I'm pretty sure its going to be awesome.


I'm honored :)

Hurrah, someone with a sense of humour, no offense but some of the typical rabble I have to deal with is enough for anyone to reach for the super shotgun.


I seriously doubt Call of Duty was inspired from doom. I'll give you this much, ID was the first to do something with the FPS genre, and yeah, they invented it, but please don't tell me that if ID wouldn't come up with that no one else would. that's like saying that if Alexander Graham Bell wouldn't invent the telephone, one one else would, that's nonsense. it might have taken some other developer more time to come up with the idea, but the fact ID got it first doesn't mean its such an amazing and hard to think of concept. and I firmly believe that CoD and HL were hardly inspired by Doom, all the have in common is they are all FPS's, if you would say though that Unreal Tournament was inspired by Quake, to that I can believe.
Unless you happen to have a way to check an alternate timeline, we will never know. As for Call of Duty being inspired by quake, You'll be surprised how much of the multiplayer commands came right from Quake 3 (I was having a brillient chat once about that actually, I'll see if I can dig it up)


Well yeah, if a game is popular it doesn't necessarily means it is better, but its better to base what I'm saying on sales and awards rather than opinion. "HL2 has more awards, better scores and better sales" sounds better than "I like HL2 better" no?
As for the second part, ofc, good sales doesn't automatically means the game is good, same as no sales doesn't mean the game sucks, and Psychonauts would be a perfect example, but like I said, its a better statement than for me to say "I like HL2 better".
Psychonauts... Another of those unknown gems, like Thief, sorry destracted moving on.
HL2 I wanted to like, but throughout HL2, EP1 and 2, I just didn't, It just felt... like a giant tech demo. Didn't bring anything new really to the genre, heck you could complete EP1 firing one bullet.(or maybe it was me struggling for 3 years to even get it to run) Doom 3 brought some nice lighting and the ingame touch screen was fancy, worked right out of the box as well. We could argue all day, but Doom3's a horror shooter, HL2 is a action shooter.


Not really, Doom3 and HL2 have much more in common than Halo and Dirt2, and I actually think HL2 is a good comparison for Doom3 since they are both FPS's, came around the same time, they were both going to show off new engines, and a lot more. there are a lot of similarities in my opinion.

I disagree, sure both are shooters but both are miles different. Its like comparing Operation Flashpoint and Call of Duty. Both feature guns, both feature lone heros but apart from that, miles different.


if you are talking about what I said concerning ID not releasing stuff for 10 years, I assure you, in the last 10 years the only thing ID gave us was Doom3, nothing more (unless, again, you count Quake Live), this is a fact so there's no more point arguing about it.

Erm actually, I forgot to meantion theirs been Doom classic and Wolfenstien classic, but technacly nothing brand new they produced, but you said released, I'm not going to be picky though.


That's fair, you are entitled to your own opinion, I never asked of you to like HL2 better than something else or consider it better, but with better sales\scores and awards, I think its safe to say most people think HL2 is better than Serious Sam and Doom\Quake Series right? again, most, cause if most wouldn't think so I would expect Doom3 to sale more and\or get more awards.
Again contradicting yourself, you said this wasn't about popularity, and yet thats a popularity comment, btw Game informer (trying to find a link, dang american magazines) which had Doom as 6th out of the top 200 games of all time (I'm trying to find half life on thier, can't be asked, need sleep.

[TrinityKei]

And yet I'm sure somewhere you said that HL2 was better because it had better reviews, thus a popular comment.

Umm, I said most people prefer HL2 based on better reviews more sales and most awards, and most people would agree this is an ok assumption to make.

Because its 15 years old? People won't buy old stuff for full prices you know.

You're the one who said those games are still considered good now a days, and they're not. its because they're old, true, but I never said they are as good as games now a days, you did, so whats your point now?

Covered above 2 bits, readie.

Right back at you.

I like Rebellion actually and agree with people being very harse but ID overrated? Now that I disagree with, they always take a while to make games (Doom3 was 5 years in the making) Rage has been worked on for at least 5 (guessing here) years. None of us will know untill it comes out, but I'm pretty sure its going to be awesome.

RAGE will be out September 2011, it was already announced. being slow is NO excuse by the way, Bioware are giving us awesome stuff every year. if ID are slow, its their problem.

Decade = 12 years, Doom3 came out 2003, 2003+12=2015? wow my computers 5 years slow. The flashlight thing though I loved, (ok barely anyone else did but moving on) as
for only producing one game, they are at least contributing something to other games.

Ok, what? A decade, is 10 years, not 12, 10, and when I say they gave us nothing good in a decade, that means 2000-2010, which is a decade, therefore my point is still valid and whatever you just said is flat out wrong. As for them contributing, you don't know how much really they contributed with other games, and most games they had anything to do with weren't above average anyway (New wolfenstein, Quake 4..)

Hurrah, someone with a sense of humour, no offense but some of the typical rabble I have to deal with is enough for anyone to reach for the super shotgun.

We're on the same boat then :D

Unless you happen to have a way to check an alternate timeline, we will never know. As for Call of Duty being inspired by quake, You'll be surprised how much of the multiplayer commands came right from Quake 3 (I was having a brillient chat once about that actually, I'll see if I can dig it up)

Sure, no way I can prove it, but come on, be reasonable, do you really think that the First Person Shooter idea is so complicated no one would have come up with that?
As for the commands in Call of Duty, that is like that because its the same engine, so of course the commands will be the same. when I say CoD wasn't affected from Doom I mean in Gameplay terms, aside from the "you have a gun and you shoot with it" aspect, it's hardly the same.

Psychonauts... Another of those unknown gems, like Thief, sorry destracted moving on.
HL2 I wanted to like, but throughout HL2, EP1 and 2, I just didn't, It just felt... like a giant tech demo. Didn't bring anything new really to the genre, heck you could complete EP1 firing one bullet.(or maybe it was me struggling for 3 years to even get it to run) Doom 3 brought some nice lighting and the ingame touch screen was fancy, worked right out of the box as well. We could argue all day, but Doom3's a horror shooter, HL2 is a action shooter.

HL2 had horror aspects :) but no point to argue here, since its your opinion, and arguing over opinions is stupid.

I disagree, sure both are shooters but both are miles different. Its like comparing Operation Flashpoint and Call of Duty. Both feature guns, both feature lone heros but apart from that, miles different.

Well, somewhat of a matter of opinion here as well, I personally see quite a lot of similarities between the two.

Erm actually, I forgot to meantion theirs been Doom classic and Wolfenstien classic, but technacly nothing brand new they produced, but you said released, I'm not going to be picky though.

Never heard of those, but they sound like a simple remake and not a serious project.

Again contradicting yourself, you said this wasn't about popularity, and yet thats a popularity comment, btw Game informer (trying to find a link, dang american magazines) which had Doom as 6th out of the top 200 games of all time (I'm trying to find half life on thier, can't be asked, need sleep.

Okay, I'll say this one last time, I'm not saying HL2 is better cause its more popular, I'm saying more people prefer HL2 over Doom3 cause its more popular if you look at scores\sales and awards (and instead of Game Informer go to Metacritic, they have the average from all the important gaming sites).

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@jema987 - cause regardless of my opinion of ID, I wanna know why are people so excited over this game, and if this excitement
has anything more to it than "ID is making it".

Now, I would seriously like to end this discussion about ID, and if you want feel free to tell me what RAGE offers that we haven't seen before.
As it stands right now, RAGE to me seems like Crysis, a game which is mostly proud of its graphics. As far as gameplays go, all I've seen seems like your everyday shooter and nothing more. if anyone feels like this game has more to offer, please tell me about it, it might even pique my interest in this game, or is the hype really mostly about the fact its from ID?

[Nitronumber9]

Now, I would seriously like to end this discussion about ID, and if you want feel free to tell me what RAGE offers that we haven't seen before.
As it stands right now, RAGE to me seems like Crysis, a game which is mostly proud of its graphics. As far as gameplays go, all I've seen seems like your everyday shooter and nothing more. if anyone feels like this game has more to offer, please tell me about it, it might even pique my interest in this game, or is the hype really mostly about the fact its from ID?

1. Most impressive game engine to date, seriously its going to make Crysis look ugly, just go see any videos about the engine

2. Completly open game, not millions of instances, no loadscreens whatsoever.

Genre wise think Fallout 3 meets Stalker meets Borderlands meets Mad Max.

[TrinityKei]

1. Most impressive game engine to date, seriously its going to make Crysis look ugly, just go see any videos about the engine

2. Completly open game, not millions of instances, no loadscreens whatsoever.

Genre wise think Fallout 3 meets Stalker meets Borderlands meets Mad Max.

So you're telling me, the PC version won't have any load screens? that sounds pretty amazing. as for the the graphics, I know the game will look amazing, but the question is how will it run on most PC's, cause I don't think anyone wants another Crysis fiasco lol. with that said, ID are extremely good with creating engines, so I'm not that surprised.
But overall what I care about the most is the Gameplay, they didn't reveal anything new or unique in the game we didn't see before right? That's my main problem with this game, I seriously hope it won't turn into another Singularity, an average shooter with a small gimmick that quickly gets old.

[Nitronumber9]

So you're telling me, the PC version won't have any load screens? that sounds pretty amazing. as for the the graphics, I know the game will look amazing, but the question is how will it run on most PC's, cause I don't think anyone wants another Crysis fiasco lol. with that said, ID are extremely good with creating engines, so I'm not that surprised.
Well I read one of the designers got it running maxed on a 8 core Imac using only one core of it, It didn't say the speed of the core, but if thats true then people will wonder what Crysis is, I'll check my history on that [Edit]top of the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_5


But overall what I care about the most is the Gameplay, they didn't reveal anything new or unique in the game we didn't see before right? That's my main problem with this game, I seriously hope it won't turn into another Singularity, an average shooter with a small gimmick that quickly gets old.
Yet. For all we know they may throw out the ability to build your own guns from scratch, they have already announced weapons come with different types of ammo. From gameplay footage I've seen turrets and exploding RC cars. (I also heard you can build your own vehicles, can't confirm that though)

Overall I think its going to be awesome.

[TrinityKei]

Well I read one of the designers got it running maxed on a 8 core Imac using only one core of it, It didn't say the speed of the core, but if thats true then people will wonder what Crysis is, I'll check my history on that [Edit]top of the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_5

That, is, amazing. I knew ID are amazing when it comes to engines but with this they just blow away all the competition lol.

Yet. For all we know they may throw out the ability to build your own guns from scratch, they have already announced weapons come with different types of ammo. From gameplay footage I've seen turrets and exploding RC cars. (I also heard you can build your own vehicles, can't confirm that though)

Overall I think its going to be awesome.

You have a good point right there, the game is still a year away and there's still a lot to reveal. ID is not the kind of a company that will give us a bad port like a lot of others today, and RAGE has a 2 player co-op in it which is always nice. If they'll add some unique features to the game they just might get me to change my opinion of them :)

[Nitronumber9]

You have a good point right there, the game is still a year away and there's still a lot to reveal. ID is not the kind of a company that will give us a bad port like a lot of others today, and RAGE has a 2 player co-op in it which is always nice. If they'll add some unique features to the game they just might get me to change my opinion of them :)

2 Player co op? Didn't know that myself. Although one thing I do like about ID, thier console ports are normally slightly poorer than the PC games they made.
Oh please may someone say "Why is Rage so laggy" on an Xbox forum. That will just make my day.

[AngelGraves13]

You have to see it in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiptEqrfzOs

This is console footage.

[Zomnivore]

In the end I doubt it will satisfy me, just doesn't look like a juicy story to keep the game engaging, it will just be another shoot x amount of people streaming in from location xyz.

[TheOD]

I actually kind of agree with the OP, other than he thinks Doom and Quake suck (while I love Doom 1 and 2 as well as Quake 1), they just haven't released anything of note these last few years other than ports and remakes of Doom on mobile or Xbox Live, well, Quake Live as well, but they never made RTCW or Quake 4 or the new Wolf.

I think you should check out the modding community for Doom 1-2 though, op, it's still quite strong and modders have been doing some wonders with the engine, things you'd think wouldn't be possible in it (one of the mods in the works for example works similarly to Mirror's Edge, it's not perfect and the visuals are still the same old but still).

[Coveryfire]

the engine looks sooo sick.

[Graveflood]

id is and always was awesome! Tech5 looks just freaking amazing! And all the newer rage footage was showed using the xbox360 port. (probably to satisfy the needs of the scumm... em I mean, xbots... em, jeez, hardcore xbox fans!)

[stella artois]

Although I somewhat enjoyed Doom 3 before the scares wore thin, as a stand back objective review it was a 85% at maximum, more like an averagley decent 80%er, Quake 4 was a simply shooter with less than an iota of the innovation of Serious Sam. What the hell is IDs obsession with slowing games down further and further with fewer and fewer onscreen mobs simply making them inferior versions of every new game released today, us original Doom players are not OAPS just yet.

I don't expect too much from RAGE, it isn't going back to old school and thats something thats been missing from the market for a long time. Knowing ID and their current marketing material for RAGE they want to reinvent the wheel again and provide a truly innovative experience, they will most likely fall flat on their arses again but we might still have a game thats worth a play through, nothing to get too excited about.

[Amun]

100% troll thread.

If you had said "Quake 4 was pretty meh, why will RAGE be different?" things might be so fiery in here.

[iMart]

People have their own opinions I think RAGE looks incredible and loved all ID Softwares old games. If you think RAGE looks rubbish thats fine, I think Stalker games are completly boring and rubbish but many people love them.

[Circlestrafe]

I see too much hype for this game in many places, and I seriously ask myself "why?".
Developer is id software right? I seriously can't recall any really good games they ever made (don't tell me they started the FPS genre cause it doesn't matter, even if they did it means nothing if they can't provide games above average in that category).
We had some nice shooters from id, like quake arena, but Doom series sucked, mostly Doom 3, and while Quake 4 wasn't bad I think they're not the ones who even developed it.
As for RAGE, we know quite little, it'll have car bits in it and should look awesome. wow.
Doom 3 was supposed to look awesome as well, but then HL2 came, and even if the game will look great, so did Crysis, and Crysis sucked, hardly enough of a reason to care about a game.
and as for the driving bits, loads of shooters has driving bits in them (HL2, CoD series, Halo).
tl;dr - why the hype about this game again?

id software...don't get you started on FPS genre... do you even know who id software is? ...some nice shooters? ...Doom series sucked? Do you realize what games exist BECAUSE of id software? You do know what games actually use id software game engines don't you? There is EVERY reason to get excited about Rage even if the actual game itself is mediocre.

[BuckarooBanzai]

id software...don't get you started on FPS genre... do you even know who id software is? ...some nice shooters? ...Doom series sucked? Do you realize what games exist BECAUSE of id software? You do know what games actually use id software game engines don't you? There is EVERY reason to get excited about Rage even if the actual game itself is mediocre.

the engine is indeed spectacular going by the tech demo's i have seen, very impressive what they can pull off on limited xbox hardware even.

[FrontlinerDelta]

1. Most impressive game engine to date, seriously its going to make Crysis look ugly, just go see any videos about the engine

2. Completly open game, not millions of instances, no loadscreens whatsoever.

Genre wise think Fallout 3 meets Stalker meets Borderlands meets Mad Max.

Seeing some recent screenshots I'm not seeing the "it's so beautiful" agrument myself. Especially when compared to the videos of Battlefield 3.

[Redboy]

Why is hype ? Because its iD Software ! People does locked with iD software since first awesome Wolfenstein 3D then soon follow awesomness DooM and then smashing QUAKE

U can't go wrong with iD Software :D

[phillibl]

Is anyone else super excited to mod IDTech5? Since ID is one of the only companies to still be releasing full mod tools I am giddy. All the new tech is gonna be a blast to work with. Can't wait to see what sort of power IDTech 5 is capable of. :)

[Dave3d]

Is anyone else super excited to mod IDTech5? Since ID is one of the only companies to still be releasing full mod tools I am giddy. All the new tech is gonna be a blast to work with. Can't wait to see what sort of power IDTech 5 is capable of. :)

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[phillibl]

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meh I see the tech in ID Tech 5 to be a much bigger step. Especially in the engine is as compatible and scalable as they say.

[glasseye67]

RAGE has been in the making for some time. Bethesda I believe has been working on RAGE since around the same time as Fallout 3. I know it has been advertised by ID software for about 3 years now.

The ID work crew surely has changed over the years so it will be nice to see something fresh from them.

Being a huge fan of Fallout 3 (Best Game Ever Made) I am looking forward to RAGE. The E3 award win helped them with the sale of RAGE. I was partly looking at this game as a fail as Unreal Tournament 3 was with their vehicle online mulitplayer. I enjoy UT3 btw.

To me it is a combination of the recent Fallout series and the game Borderlands which is a lot better than it is made out to be with the scoring systems. My opinion of course. In Borderlands you can run around the planet Pandora (wasteland) in a land rover that has weapons. You can even change the color scheme of your car if you want.

RAGE looks pretty much like the co-op, multiplayer section of what Fallout 3 could have had. And a new single player of course.

The game title leaves me a little stale seeing how road rage, warrior rage, and plain old family rage are large happenings in the world today. The title would come from the ID software people, just a guess.

If the 5 engine holds up, and the game is a hit, there should be a pack or two in addition to the original RAGE. More for the collector. Not to mention any MODS the gaming community will come up with.

As I said if it is a hit. Fallout New Vegas did extremely well in sales. Especially for those people that sort of blew right through Fallout 3. I enjoy taking my time so I am hoping RAGE is not too far over my head.

So considering Bethesda's post-apocalyptic graphics and ID Software's sense for the macabre, it should be a good game and I am looking forward to it.

The Pre-order is up on Direct2drive if anyone is interested but the release date has not changed from 9/13/2011.

[sauron767]

1. Most impressive game engine to date, seriously its going to make Crysis look ugly, just go see any videos about the engine

2. Completly open game, not millions of instances, no loadscreens whatsoever.

Genre wise think Fallout 3 meets Stalker meets Borderlands meets Mad Max.

If this was a girl I would...well never mind.

This thread is good reading, keep it up.

A comment on id, they typically raise the bar for any game the release. Wolf3d, Quake and Doom raised the bar, other companies raised it from there, such as HL2. But id keeps coming back game after game and I think Rage will raise it again. A year or two back, it was Crysis this, Crysis that. A good friend said it sucked balls, but his pc was sucky, but that is another story.

But come September I expect Rage to raise the bar once again and that can only make things better for everyone who calls themselves a gamer.

[Brann0]

Nice trolling OP. Besides that, all you said is a matter of taste, and I respect it but Id used to be the more awesome videogame company, making a new revolution with every new ID tech iteration. It seems Rage's virtual texturing (see this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaTexture)) has been shadowed by PC launching problems: the game on PC needs some tweaking. It looks cool once tweaked; and I can assure you that on a >1,5GB card it looks awesome.

In my humble opinion, Rage is superior to Doom 3 as a single player game. Take into account that both games are showcases for their respective ID engine iteration.

[jimboden]

I've had Quake 3 Arena since 1999 and still play it occasionally. There was a time when I couldn't because I had a computer with Vista and it didn't work. When I got another computer with Windows 7 64bit, it worked again. Weird.

[Joeblowshmoe]

I see too much hype for this game in many places, and I seriously ask myself "why?".
Developer is id software right? I seriously can't recall any really good games they ever made (don't tell me they started the FPS genre cause it doesn't matter, even if they did it means nothing if they can't provide games above average in that category).


Um.......You are either a troll, or extremely young.
They did indeed create the genre, and pretty much all their previous games are great.
Quake, Doom? Come on, never heard? Yes they were above average.They were the best at what they did.
Rage however is terrible.
Awful compression rendering textures up close looking like 10 year old blurry ♥♥♥, in a linear, restricted world.

[Joeblowshmoe]

RAGE has been in the making for some time. Bethesda I believe has been working on RAGE since around the same time as Fallout 3. I know it has been advertised by ID software for about 3 years now.

The ID work crew surely has changed over the years so it will be nice to see something fresh from them.

Being a huge fan of Fallout 3 (Best Game Ever Made) I am looking forward to RAGE. The E3 award win helped them with the sale of RAGE. I was partly looking at this game as a fail as Unreal Tournament 3 was with their vehicle online mulitplayer. I enjoy UT3 btw.

To me it is a combination of the recent Fallout series and the game Borderlands which is a lot better than it is made out to be with the scoring systems. My opinion of course. In Borderlands you can run around the planet Pandora (wasteland) in a land rover that has weapons. You can even change the color scheme of your car if you want.

RAGE looks pretty much like the co-op, multiplayer section of what Fallout 3 could have had. And a new single player of course.

The game title leaves me a little stale seeing how road rage, warrior rage, and plain old family rage are large happenings in the world today. The title would come from the ID software people, just a guess.

If the 5 engine holds up, and the game is a hit, there should be a pack or two in addition to the original RAGE. More for the collector. Not to mention any MODS the gaming community will come up with.

As I said if it is a hit. Fallout New Vegas did extremely well in sales. Especially for those people that sort of blew right through Fallout 3. I enjoy taking my time so I am hoping RAGE is not too far over my head.

So considering Bethesda's post-apocalyptic graphics and ID Software's sense for the macabre, it should be a good game and I am looking forward to it.

The Pre-order is up on Direct2drive if anyone is interested but the release date has not changed from 9/13/2011.
I realise this post is old, but WOW! I hope you learn how to differentiate a publisher from a developer.
Rage has nothing to do with Bethesda development. Fallout 3 and ID soft? NOTHING to do with each other.
Nothing.
ZIP.