New PC

[rehansiraj]

I am looking forward to buy a new pc under 300 dollars...i know its lame, i just need one to run cs 1.6. and oh! without a monitor, only the tower.:confused:

[Fsta-Atls]

Are you expecting a pre built, or will you build it yourself?

[rehansiraj]

anything goes.all i ask for is 120 fps in cs 1.6

[Doctor Daft]

do you have a case or anything you could reuse?

cuz OS's cost 150 dollars by themselves..not a lot of money for the actual specs. You could build a linux distro machine i guess..

[rehansiraj]

i got vista cd so i dont need os

[Princess Garnet]

Is that game really all that matters? If so, using a lesser PSU and integrated video would make that budget possible, since I assume today's integrated video can play that game fine (maybe not at 1920x1200 with maximum settings, maximum AA, and those framerates, but I'm hoping with the frame rate you want, you're going to be using a CRT that can do 120Hz at the resolution you're using and therefore won't be a huge resolution).

I actually recently toyed with a $300 build for my nephew, but the case/PSU combination has been deactivated (out of stock, may or may not return). Here it is. It's an AMD dual core build with 2GB RAM, a 320GB hard drive, and a Radeon 4250 IGP. Research how well that does at Counter Strike 1.6, I assume it'll play that game perfectly quickly, but at what resolution/settings/FPS rate combination I don't know. It's said to be around the speed of a GeForce 9400, maybe slightly faster, which is no speed demon today, but should hopefully handle that older game just fine.

That'll comfortably run Windows XP or even Windows 7 and Counter Strike 1.6, plus be a good around basic PC, but won't do any heavy lifting. Hint, take advantage of the case/PSU combo being inactive and get a separate decent PSU and a case of choice. It'll be more expensive, but this way, you spend ~$300 now, and have room for a mid-range GPU later plus more RAM.

Case/PSU: (can't recall exact price, think it was ~$50)
ENERMAX VOSTOK ECA2020-B Black 0.6mm SECC Steel MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124130)

Motherboard: ($80)
Newegg.com - ASRock 880GM-LE AM3 AMD 880G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157199)

CPU: ($58)
Newegg.com - AMD Athlon II X2 245 Regor 2.9GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ADX245OCGQBOX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687)

RAM ($38)
Newegg.com - Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3/2GR (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134785)
(P.S. RAM is one stick, and therefore not dual channel, but this leaves room for another 2GB module later, whereas if you get 2x1GB now for the advantage of dual channel, you'll have to throw it all away and get two new 2GB sticks to get 4GB total later on, so I recommend just one module right now even though it'll be single channel [doesn't hurt general performance much, but IGPs do like dual channel and DDR3s bandwidth])

HDD ($48)
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074)

DVD Burner: ($17)
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 12X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA 22X DVD Burner - Bulk - CD / DVD Burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180)

That's ~$241 without the PSU and case. Like I said, get a decent PSU and case of choice, or if you get a combo, make sure the PSU is okay (Enermax PSUs usually are (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001400%2040000007%20600029807&IsNodeId=1&name=Yes)) and spend just over $300 to do so. It'll cost slightly more, especially with shipping (or find a case with free shipping since case shipping is killer, and most of the parts I chose have free shipping), and you'll be good to go now, and have some room down the line.

[Suomis]

Btw fps 101 is the best fps you can want in cs 1.6 ;) You run fastest with fps 101. 120 is as slow as with an fps of 81. (atleast iirc)

[rehansiraj]

thnx
do i order it and have to assemble it myself??
and if so..dont i need screws to load stuff or something...
mind my noobism.i have never done anything with hardware, i just kno the softwre stuff

[rehansiraj]

Btw fps 101 is the best fps you can want in cs 1.6 ;) You run fastest with fps 101. 120 is as slow as with an fps of 81. (atleast iirc)
i said 120 because of smokelag and stuff...u kno wat i mean..i use fps_max 101, fps_modem 101

[skippy72294]

Btw fps 101 is the best fps you can want in cs 1.6 ;) You run fastest with fps 101. 120 is as slow as with an fps of 81. (atleast iirc)

You need a monitor capable of that... 60Hz won't cut it... CRT or 120Hz monitor will though, so it's kinda pointless for 120FPS on a 60Hz monitor...

[Bugs Bunny]

how about this?

LG optical drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180) $17
Rosewill mid tower case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147116) $20 with code "EMCZYZN34"
Open Box ASRock 770 motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176R) $38
2x1GB Kingston 1333 Ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134637)$39
Athlon 245+Sapphire 4650 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500432)(more than enough for counter strike) $97
430W Corsair Psu + 250GB WD blue harddrive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.524431)$83

Total: $294 ($264 after mail in rebates)

[rehansiraj]

You need a monitor capable of that... 60Hz won't cut it... CRT or 120Hz monitor will though, so it's kinda pointless for 120FPS on a 60Hz monitor...

i have a 80hz lcd and i have played cs 1.6 on 100 fps on it so its not a problem :D

[rehansiraj]

Case/PSU: (can't recall exact price, think it was ~$50)
ENERMAX VOSTOK ECA2020-B Black 0.6mm SECC Steel MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124130)

Motherboard: ($80)
Newegg.com - ASRock 880GM-LE AM3 AMD 880G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157199)

CPU: ($58)
Newegg.com - AMD Athlon II X2 245 Regor 2.9GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ADX245OCGQBOX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687)

RAM ($38)
Newegg.com - Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3/2GR (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134785)
(P.S. RAM is one stick, and therefore not dual channel, but this leaves room for another 2GB module later, whereas if you get 2x1GB now for the advantage of dual channel, you'll have to throw it all away and get two new 2GB sticks to get 4GB total later on, so I recommend just one module right now even though it'll be single channel [doesn't hurt general performance much, but IGPs do like dual channel and DDR3s bandwidth])

HDD ($48)
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074)

DVD Burner: ($17)
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 12X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA 22X DVD Burner - Bulk - CD / DVD Burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180)

That's ~$241 without the PSU and case. Like I said, get a decent PSU and case of choice, or if you get a combo, make sure the PSU is okay (Enermax PSUs usually are (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001400%2040000007%20600029807&IsNodeId=1&name=Yes)) and spend just over $300 to do so. It'll cost slightly more, especially with shipping (or find a case with free shipping since case shipping is killer, and most of the parts I chose have free shipping), and you'll be good to go now, and have some room down the line.

how about this?

LG optical drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180) $17
Rosewill mid tower case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147116) $20 with code "EMCZYZN34"
Open Box ASRock 770 motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176R) $38
2x1GB Kingston 1333 Ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134637)$39
Athlon 245+Sapphire 4650 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500432)(more than enough for counter strike) $97
430W Corsair Psu + 250GB WD blue harddrive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.524431)$83

Total: $294 ($264 after mail in rebates)

WHICH ONE SHOULD I GO WITH?

[Princess Garnet]

how about this?

LG optical drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180) $17
Rosewill mid tower case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147116) $20 with code "EMCZYZN34"
Open Box ASRock 770 motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176R) $38
2x1GB Kingston 1333 Ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134637)$39
Athlon 245+Sapphire 4650 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500432)(more than enough for counter strike) $97
430W Corsair Psu + 250GB WD blue harddrive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.524431)$83

Total: $294 ($264 after mail in rebates)Hmm, good build for the same price plus a GPU. I never really took advantage of combos plus I put my list together a month or two back. How quicly things change and you can get a better PC for the same price. However, I'm not too keen on open box products myself (nor MIRS), but I guess it works for the price.

Edit: Mine is only better in some ways, but they're small (more hard drive space, more up to date motherboard/chipset), and his is better in one big way, a GPU. Many parts are even the same (DVD burner and CPU). Overall, you'd get similar results in general as the core build is roughly the same, but his the advantage of a GPU as I mentioned, which will help in games, so I'd go with his. It'll probably even let you do a little beyond Counter Strike.

[rehansiraj]

Im gonna get this one..as i clearly am a cheap-♥♥♥ noob, one more thing......is this all i need??? NOTHING else
if i order this stuff and assemble it and install an os...i mean wat about screws and stuff?? lol

[Princess Garnet]

You get screws with the motherboard usually (and PSU), but as that is an open box motherboard, you may or may not. Open box is sometimes only the bare motherboard. Also, motherboards usually come with the SATA cables, but again, this may lack it being open box. Ditto for the backplate I/O panel. You take that risk getting open box stuff.

Also, optional but recommended, grab case fan(s). Sadly, that case has a 80mm fan (standard these days is 120mm). 80mm fans push less air and/or are louder. It includes said fan, so you may just need on intake fan. Not sure if it has to be 80mm or 120mm. Just be prepared for some possible noise with that 80mm fan.

These are two of the "smaller" downsides of his build. To get a GPU with a less than $300 build though, you'll have to cut corners.

Otherwise, if you have the OS, monitor, and peripherals (keyboard, mouse, speakers), yes, that's all that's required.

[Bugs Bunny]

Im gonna get this one..as i clearly am a cheap-♥♥♥ noob, one more thing......is this all i need??? NOTHING else
if i order this stuff and assemble it and install an os...i mean wat about screws and stuff?? lol

case should come with all the screws you need (standoffs for the motherboard so it is not touching your case etc.)
H3llian is right about the SATA cables and plate, scratch the motherboard then, i'm a risk taker and usually go for open box stuff haha, but better safe then sorry, thinking about motherboard that would be right for you...

[rehansiraj]

can i get the mobo u said, and get the rest of the things he said?
or even better...can i use his case and GPU+athlon and the rest of the stuff that u said..........i mean there are no compatibility downsides right?

[borg_7_of_9]

can i get the mobo u said, and get the rest of the things he said?
or even better...can i use his case and GPU+athlon and the rest of the stuff that u said..........i mean there are no compatibility downsides right?

No it should all work fine from what I have seen

[rehansiraj]

Here is what im gonna get:-
LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22NS40 - OEM $16.99

Rosewill FB-02 Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, with 1x 80mm Fan $29.99

Foxconn A6GMV AM3 AMD 690G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard $39.99

Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit $38.99

SAPPHIRE 100253HDMI Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support + AMD Athlon II X2 245 Regor 2.9GHz Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ADX245OCGQBOX $96.98

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 CMPSU-430CX 430W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply + Western Digital Caviar Blue WD2500AAJS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $82.98

shipping $6.76

Total $312.68






dont i need a processor fan??
and plz check my list agn and let me know if anythings wrong or should be includd cuz im ordering now..

[Bugs Bunny]

Foxconn M61PMP-K AM3 NVIDIA MCP61P Micro ATX AMD Motherboard $43.99


scratch that one, won't work with the processor, I was thinking about this foxconn motherboard (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186200) if you really can't go over budget

and no intergrated graphics wont do anything since you will use the 4650, it should turn itself off or you can turn it off if it doesn't do it automatically. It's basically there for people who don't use a graphics card to be able to attach it to their monitor

[borg_7_of_9]

scratch that one, won't work with the processor, I was thinking about this foxconn motherboard (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186200) if you really can't go over budget



why wont it work AM3 cpu and AM3 motherboard perfect match..

[Bugs Bunny]

dont i need a processor fan??
and plz check my list agn and let me know if anythings wrong or should be includd cuz im ordering now..

the processor we chose comes with a heatsink+fan with thermal paste already applied so you should be all good to go :)

[rehansiraj]

why wont it work AM3 cpu and AM3 motherboard perfect match..

bugs bunny?

[Bugs Bunny]

why wont it work AM3 cpu and AM3 motherboard perfect match..


foxconn say it doesn't support it on the motherboards page on their website (http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_spec.aspx?ID=en-us0000489)

funnily enough i've heard of people running athlon 2's on it, technically it should work but i'd personally go with the other one since if anything goes wrong newegg/foxconn can't just tell you that it's your fault since they're not listed as compatible.

[rehansiraj]

bugs bunnny??? the mobo link is .ca and the rest are .com... just wondering that how????


and wat does this rebate thing mean??

CAN I HIT THE ORDER BUTTON???

[Bugs Bunny]

bugs bunnny??? the mobo link is .ca and the rest are .com... just wondering that how????


and wat does this rebate thing mean??

CAN I HIT THE ORDER BUTTON???

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186200 here sorry I haven't had any coffee today... i'm in Canada and sometimes use Newegg.ca

rebates depend on the company, usually you cut out the UPC code and send it in with a copy of your receipt in the mail within a certain amount of days after purchase, what they give you depends on the company it's usually a prepaid credit card, but some take quite a long time before you get them.
click on the "$ mail in rebate card" next to the item cost in your cart for more info.

in my opinion you're all set