Cities XL 2011 has Securom [Archive]

vincent_y79

10-14-2010, 07:37 PM

I don't know how you feel about securom but either way it asks for a validation to one of its server prior to play. Its not mentioned on the store page so just a heads up in case you don't care for it.

*personally I wouldn't have bought it if I'd know even with the 50% off since I owned the previous one.

Edit: It's updated now on the store page.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/58510/
Title: Cities XL 2011
Genre: Simulation
Developer: Monte Cristo
Publisher: Focus Home Interactive
Release Date: Oct 14, 2010
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Spanish
3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™
5 machine activation limit

Zorlac

10-14-2010, 07:49 PM

I've got about 20 games with securom. All 20 of them run fine with no issues at all related to Securom.

I think it's time we move past the point where we're afraid of DRM, and just play the game.

vincent_y79

10-14-2010, 07:58 PM

Like I said its informational for others that do not support SECUROM. Besides, its not the DRM that's the issue, its SECUROM itself as a company. I still can't believe after their prior implementation of DRM that they're still around.

Zorlac

10-14-2010, 08:02 PM

Sony is the company that makes securom. Also if the DRM isn't the issue, then this thread is pointless. I pay my money to play games. Not to worry about the publishers, the developers, and all the other middle men.

vincent_y79

10-14-2010, 08:23 PM

If you're about letting people know securom is alright then that's fine. It's tiresome to see posts about this anyway and the arguments that pop out.

But please don't call the thread pointless since the point is about the game having securom and letting people know since its not mentioned on the store page. There are still those that still choose not to purchase games that uses it.

Ryuubei

10-14-2010, 08:29 PM

Zorlac

10-14-2010, 09:08 PM

I don't really see what the fuss is about. Sure securom had issues in the past, but they got over those. I used to be a staunch hater of them, but these days they're no different from any other DRM company. People seem to just like whipping that horse long after it's dead, buried and decomposed.

That said i do think steam should update the page so that people know that the game has securom. But it's not a big issue imo

I totally agree that it's shameful that steam doesn't post it on the store page. It's not like they don't know it's gonna be there soon as the publisher sends them the game files.

Regardless, it's no issue. Most people will only ever see the first time activation, then never notice it's there again.

Royas

10-14-2010, 10:39 PM

I totally agree that it's shameful that steam doesn't post it on the store page. It's not like they don't know it's gonna be there soon as the publisher sends them the game files.

Regardless, it's no issue. Most people will only ever see the first time activation, then never notice it's there again.

For you, it's no issue. For some it's a big issue. No game on Steam should have any DRM beyond Steam itself, it adds an unneeded point of possible failure, for no real benefit.

Now, what I want to know is this... are there any limits to the number of activations on SecuROM? Since Steam doesn't even note the actual DRM at all (possibly illegal false advertising), we have no way of knowing if there are limits, as seems fashionable amongst the less intelligent publishers out there. I would need to know this before I'd be willing to pay any money for the game, I don't do activation limits.

Ryuubei

10-14-2010, 10:55 PM

guess you wont be buying this then, since it has limitations. I believe someone said it was 3, but you can get it reset by contacting FI support.

And no it's not false advertising, it would be if they said there was no DRM. As for it being a bad idea, i disagree. Publishers have a right to protect their stuff, and as Zorlac has said the vast majority of people won't notice it. It activates once and that's the end of it. Only time it may become an issue is if you're constantly uninstalling and reinstalling the game, which is nuts IMO.

DRM is the cross you bear for digital downloading. Retail has it DVD checks, digital has it's DRM.

Zorlac

10-14-2010, 11:18 PM

gimpymoo

10-14-2010, 11:31 PM

There are still those that still choose not to purchase games that uses it.

Because their all STUPID.

The current iteration of Securom is nothing like the one of yesteryear.

Ryuubei

10-14-2010, 11:45 PM

DRM is a pain, i'll admit i don't like it. But, at the same time only an idiot thinks there's shouldn't be no protection on games. Steam has it's own DRM, true, but lets face it that DRM is crack so easily it may as well not exist. Hell ALL of the steam only games are available as torrents usually within hours of them being released on steam. Blade Kitten, Tomb Raider, and NyxQuest were available as torrents a few hours before they were actually released on steam.

Another prime example is the Recettear game. The devs released it as a DRM free game, and low and behold it was on torrent sites befre the game was officially released.

So long as there're pirates running around ripping off the games, we'll have DRM that's there to try and prevent them. It sucks, but that's life.

Zamav

10-14-2010, 11:51 PM

This sums it up pretty well. Deal with it, or don't play the game. If you really want to point fingers blame the pirates. They're the reason DRM exists to begin with. Don't blame the developers and publishers for wanting to protect their work.

Its been proven over and over again, copy protection doesn't prevent piracy in the slightest. Most successful copy protection was Starforce, and guess what, their biggest customer, Ubisoft dumped it because of giant collective lawsuits from their customers.

Securom is fail upon fail, spore was cracked in... what? 12 hours?

Developers have every right to protect their product, I agree. BUT! not at the cost that leaves your legitimate users with limited usability. I use 2 laptops and 2 desktop computers regularly, because of my job, I usually have access to only 1 of them at the time. Copy protection like this decreases the value of a product. Couple that with the occasional need to format your OS, 3 is not nearly enough.

Sure, most people have only 1 computer, but there are lots of others who has more, or might need to format their OS because of a problem with the same game.

I have the 50% discount, but considering those pirates who developers work so long to defeat can have a better version of the game, I just can't find any reason to justify buying this game.

On top of that, Steam version already has its own DRM, so wtf with additional DRM anyways?

Ryuubei

10-15-2010, 12:03 AM

Like i said, steams DRM is a joke. I had wrriten a load more, but i realised it's not going to go anywhere and just end up as a b.itching fest. So it's not worth the pointless drama.

risbolla

10-15-2010, 02:54 AM

Steam is also DRM, why would you need SecuROM ontop of steam?

Grunwaldt

10-15-2010, 03:23 AM

One word, bull♥♥♥♥. I purchased the steam version hoping it didn't have securom... I regret, also the steam version has an annoying bug that you can see here (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1512015). What a piece of crap.

Helicity Boson

10-15-2010, 08:09 AM

Developers have every right to protect their product, I agree. BUT! not at the cost that leaves your legitimate users with limited usability. I use 2 laptops and 2 desktop computers regularly, because of my job, I usually have access to only 1 of them at the time. Copy protection like this decreases the value of a product.

Has the fact that you can't pack your car in a suitcase and take it with you on business trips reduced its value as well?:rolleyes:

Zorlac

10-15-2010, 08:18 AM

Its been proven over and over again, copy protection doesn't prevent piracy in the slightest. Most successful copy protection was Starforce, and guess what, their biggest customer, Ubisoft dumped it because of giant collective lawsuits from their customers.

Securom is fail upon fail, spore was cracked in... what? 12 hours?

Developers have every right to protect their product, I agree. BUT! not at the cost that leaves your legitimate users with limited usability. I use 2 laptops and 2 desktop computers regularly, because of my job, I usually have access to only 1 of them at the time. Copy protection like this decreases the value of a product. Couple that with the occasional need to format your OS, 3 is not nearly enough.

Sure, most people have only 1 computer, but there are lots of others who has more, or might need to format their OS because of a problem with the same game.

I have the 50% discount, but considering those pirates who developers work so long to defeat can have a better version of the game, I just can't find any reason to justify buying this game.

On top of that, Steam version already has its own DRM, so wtf with additional DRM anyways?

Whether or not DRM works is not the point at all now is it. Developers have every right in the world to try and protect their product. That's like saying You're going to live in the highest crime city in the world, and not try to protect your stuff just because ti's going to eventually get stolen anyway.

How is their game version better? That's a completely moronic statement. It's EXACTLY the same game. Only the crybabies like yourself even worry about the DRM. The rest of us actually play the games.

Grunwaldt

10-15-2010, 08:23 AM

Whether or not DRM works is not the point at all now is it. Developers have every right in the world to try and protect their product. That's like saying You're going to live in the highest crime city in the world, and not try to protect your stuff just because ti's going to eventually get stolen anyway.

How is their game version better? That's a completely moronic statement. It's EXACTLY the same game. Only the crybabies like yourself even worry about the DRM. The rest of us actually play the games.
Extra DRM over steam is not defendable dude.

Zorlac

10-15-2010, 08:32 AM

Extra DRM over steam is not defendable dude.

Why is it not? It doesn't hurt you as the player, so I don't see the problem. DRM is part of PC gaming now. Get used to it, or go play on consoles. That's pretty much all their is to it. I've justified what I said with legit examples. Where are your legit examples?

Helicity Boson

10-15-2010, 08:34 AM

The steam version does have issues, it doesn't run as smooth as the metaboli version or so I hear.

But I doubt that's caused by DRM, and Steam DRM only works if the game maker uses it, some games can be bought and downloaded off steam, and you can copy the folder to another computer and use it, no problem.

cherryade

10-15-2010, 09:10 AM

This sums it up pretty well. Deal with it, or don't play the game. If you really want to point fingers blame the pirates. They're the reason DRM exists to begin with. Don't blame the developers and publishers for wanting to protect their work.
Well, yeah. I have dealt with it: I won't be buying the game.

I don't see why it's my problem that people pirate the game, and I don't see why they should make me use something that has absolutely zero benefit to me so I can play something that I purchased.

Steam creates a benefit to me: it lets me access and download my games in perpetuity.

Ardbug

10-15-2010, 09:39 AM

Whether or not DRM works is not the point at all now is it.

That is a big part of it yes, if the DRM actually protected against piracy then many more customers would back it up, but since DRM equals only negatives for the customer such as malware, install limits, rewoke tools, phoning customer service and more such nonsense, for absolutely no clear reason at all, then most conscious consumers object to it, Im not sure why YOU object so zealously to customers complaing about just that.

Developers have every right in the world to try and protect their product.

I agree completely, and consumers have every right not to buy something they dont like.

FrontlinerDelta

10-15-2010, 10:19 AM

Like i said, steams DRM is a joke. I had wrriten a load more, but i realised it's not going to go anywhere and just end up as a b.itching fest. So it's not worth the pointless drama.

No DRM is if you take that approach. The only game that's taken any actual time to crack in recent memory was Assassin's Creed 2 because of Ubisoft's draconian DRM. But it did get cracked and now all Ubisoft games that use that (like Splinter Cell Conviction) are cracked just as fast.

Compare that to non-DRM games like, most notably from Stardock, who have sold tons more because they didn't have people raging over DRM. They figured, the pirates are gonna pirate regardless of how hard they try to stop it. And guess what? They sold plent of copies of Sins of a Solar Empire and many sales came from people supporting the no-DRM solution.

Just saying.

vincent_y79

10-15-2010, 10:30 AM

Zorlac, just to quote you from another thread about offsite forum link in steam.
That's nice, I still don't like it no matter how many people don't mind it..

There's obviously people that don't like it, whether it be DRM in general or more specifically SecuROM no matter how much you don't mind it.

Just to make it clear, I don't have a problem with DRM as a tool to support the people that make the games. There are good ways to implement it and bad ways and SecuROM did them in a bad way and it doesn't deserve to be around anyway regardless of what they do now. On that note - EA and Ubisoft's drm is bad too.

Zorlac

10-15-2010, 10:55 AM

Zorlac, just to quote you from another thread about offsite forum link in steam.

There's obviously people that don't like it, whether it be DRM in general or more specifically SecuROM no matter how much you don't mind it.

Just to make it clear, I don't have a problem with DRM as a tool to support the people that make the games. There are good ways to implement it and bad ways and SecuROM did them in a bad way and it doesn't deserve to be around anyway regardless of what they do now. On that note - EA and Ubisoft's drm is bad too.

That thread was in no way a response to, or related to DRM. it was about being linked off the steam site when clicking a link on the steam site. Again, in no way related to DRM which is what this thread is about so whatever point you were trying to make is invalid.

vincent_y79

10-15-2010, 11:20 AM

True it had nothing to do with DRM but your words was something I can support and agree with. I just wish you'd take your own statement and apply it here.

Others still don't like offsite forum links no matter how many people don't mind it.
Others still don't like drm no matter how many people don't mind it.

And so let me guide you along to what my point was and it's that people will still have a different point of view no matter how many people have different ones (that's what I get from your words anyway). If "whatever point" I was trying to make is invalid then there's just no talking to you anymore. Its difficult to have a meaningful debate/argument/conversation with someone that refuse to see the other persons position for something as simple as this - they have their opinion and you have yours.

vincent_y79

10-15-2010, 04:13 PM

It's updated now.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/58510/
Title: Cities XL 2011
Genre: Simulation
Developer: Monte Cristo
Publisher: Focus Home Interactive
Release Date: Oct 14, 2010
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Spanish
3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™
5 machine activation limit

starsnostars

10-15-2010, 06:05 PM

5 Machine activation limit is a joke. I wouldn't have purchased this had I known.

Royas

10-15-2010, 08:22 PM

This sums it up pretty well. Deal with it, or don't play the game. If you really want to point fingers blame the pirates. They're the reason DRM exists to begin with. Don't blame the developers and publishers for wanting to protect their work.

Given that DRM doesn't slow the pirates down worth a hoot, I think blaming the devs and publishers for wasting time and money is appropriate. And just to be on the record, I'm not concerned about SecuROM itself, I've never had a problem with it. I do think it's silly to combine it with Steam, but whatever. I do have a slight problem with online activation, but not when I'm buying a digital game. Obviously, that's going to need an online activation, it's the nature of the game.

My problem is when they decide, arbitrarily, to limit the number of times I can activate or install my game before I have to call or otherwise contact customer support to beg for more installs. Companies fall, customer service is usually middling to lousy, and I just can't be bothered with it. If I wanted to buy this game, given my reformat schedule, I'd be having to either crack it or deal with customer support idiots within a couple of years. So, I just won't bother. Get rid of the activation limits, and I'd buy this game. Get rid of the activation limits in about a year, and I'd buy this game for a much lower price.

It's their right (for now) to add this kind of DRM stupidity to their games if they want. It's my right (forever) to refuse to do business with them. They lose a lot more than I do.

54x

10-15-2010, 10:19 PM

Has the fact that you can't pack your car in a suitcase and take it with you on business trips reduced its value as well?:rolleyes:

Car manufacturers don't lock up their cars so you can't fold them into suitcases when you otherwise could though, but by using bad DRM, software developers do.

Given that steam is an incredibly effective DRM solution on its own, I don't see why it's necessary to burden people with SecuROM on top of Steam, and fortunately this thread has saved me the trouble of deciding whether I want to buy this game. I don't respect any developer who sells their game through a service that has incredibly reduced piracy (not just defended against it) but then wastes my time, overhead, and possibly even installs what sometimes amounts to corporate malware* onto my computer to satisfy their own paranoia.

Piracy is combated by making games more convenient and exciting to buy than to pirate and by getting customers on your side, not by punishing them and wasting their time. I'm not going to give money to any company that sells through Steam but doesn't trust it on its own as DRM.

*SecuROM isn't corporate malware, but other DRM solutions such as Starforce could be said to have qualified for that label.

tsj5j

10-15-2010, 10:31 PM

Has the fact that you can't pack your car in a suitcase and take it with you on business trips reduced its value as well?:rolleyes:

Ridiculous and stupid analogy.

DRM is like your car being locked to your driver's license and not allowing anyone else to drive it. Grey markets ALL have cards that unlocks any car, but legal users:
a.) Cannot resell the car because its locked to your license.
b.) Cannot let friends/spouse drive it.
c.) Will only let you drive if it can connect to the "license server".

In essence, DRM is a money-grabbing excuse to punish paying customers.
I've not seen a single DRM scheme that is not easily bypassed.

I've never bought a single DRM game (except Steam, because of its offline mode and no silly limits like activation limits).
I simply obtain them from other sources and get a better experience than paying customers.

Helicity Boson

10-15-2010, 11:36 PM

If the laws of physics allowed the same car to be used by multiple people at the same time (as in each driving for their own purpose) car manufacturers damn well should lock cars to a drivers license, or have some form of 'one license at a time' use policy.

Which is exactly what DRM does for software.

paratech2008

10-16-2010, 11:25 AM

The thing is with limited installs it goes against the whole reason of Steam, to be able to install and uninstall the games as you see fit.

It limits the life of the game and makes it a glorified rental.

Azraelle

10-16-2010, 02:30 PM

I don't think the people responsible for putting the game files up on the Steam servers have the authority to go in and rip out the DRM. The developers give them the files, Steam puts the files up. If the developers package DRM into those files, then the files have added DRM. It's not Steam's fault that there's added DRM, it was FI's choice to include it. Let's not villify Steam for something they didn't do.

lonewolf1044

10-16-2010, 05:53 PM

Does it really matter if people who do not like DRM? Not to me it doesn't being most companies is using it now. I have no problem as long as the DRM does not hinder me from playing. If a game has no DRM that is a bonus for me, but it does not restrict me from buying games that do have DRM. As far as the activation limit goes there are two kinds, One where you can install on 5 machines at one time and the other is installing on one machine a total of 5 times. The first one is not really a hard option to accept being you are allowed to install on 5 machines at one time and if you uninstall you can revoke an activation for each machine that it has been installed on. The second one may be a pain but not too painful being CitiesXL 2011 automatically revokes the activation when you uninstall(you must be connected to the internet for it to work). The only DRM that I see as painful is the requirement to be connected to the internet in order to play like the one Ubisoft uses and I do stay away from those games being if you cannot connect you got a coaster and not a game.

Sharkfood

10-16-2010, 09:22 PM

Edit: It's updated now on the store page.
That's great news. This is why we like Steam- if there is something needed, 9 times out of 10, they do the work and fix it.

It's absolutely important that games for sale disclose this, regardless of your feelings or personal beliefs in the matter. While some people do not care, others do - and it's only fair to warn those that do care what they are buying.

ARMY-OF-GOD

11-19-2010, 08:18 AM

2 drm's are basically the same as having a firewall, firewalling your firewall, and having an anti virus protecting your anti virus. there is no need for 2.

When you purchase the game it is yours and fully belongs to you. there is nothing in there T.O.S. that forbids you from manipulating the game, to allow for activation, after your third activation, if you feel the need to do so with a legitimate copy which you the consumer purchased.

If they didn't like steams DRM they shouldn't have used Steamworks.

Tempest_Wales

11-26-2010, 01:40 PM

Disappointed. Would not have bought this game (even with 75% off). Now I'll probably have to format or buy a new DVD drive again. THANKS SECUROM/SONY! Go die!

Straite

11-27-2010, 12:48 PM

I've got about 20 games with securom. All 20 of them run fine with no issues at all related to Securom.

I think it's time we move past the point where we're afraid of DRM, and just play the game.

No - Its wrong. (People should just get a pirate copy instead, which under the circumstances isn't wrong when they use DRM)

I think I'm going to buy a game from gog.com and NOT give it away.

foxholed

12-26-2010, 12:27 AM

I think the DRM is on this title since you can run it without Steam.

Mac Flavor

12-27-2010, 02:51 PM

I'm very curious about this game. But as long as it's saddled with SecuROM, I won't purchase it.

I'll tolerate Steam as DRM, because it's flexible (both in number of install locations and in the ability to play offline) and provides other benefits. I won't tolerate other DRM schemes, who exist solely to intrude on the game-playing experience.

FHI has the right to put SecuROM on their games. In response, I have the right to spend my money elsewhere.

FrankieTimer

12-27-2010, 05:00 PM

Well, I've been swindled by Steam DRM but I've turned it into my own form of protest against DRM companies. If I have to contact support for more activations and help, then I've decided I'll contact them many, many times for bogus issues. I've also gotten friends to do so as well. THe companies have to open tickets for each issue. With the Holiday season (or otherwise) it can't be fun to have to deal with multitudes of tickets, especially those that turn out to be bogus.

It's a little extra work on our part, but that's okay. Every protest is.

TO anyone that has real support questions, this will probably delay your response as they have our issues to deal with.

It's a shame though, because I really wanted to play this game without being hamstrung by their junk.

SayaSe

12-27-2010, 05:20 PM

TO anyone that has real support questions, this will probably delay your response as they have our issues to deal with.
Thanks a lot. :rolleyes:

Go protest against some real issue.

FrankieTimer

12-27-2010, 05:43 PM

Thanks a lot. :rolleyes:

That's part of the price you pay for DRM.

Go protest against some real issue.

I do. Thanks for your permission though.

chrisdglong

12-27-2010, 06:20 PM

I've got about 20 games with securom. All 20 of them run fine with no issues at all related to Securom.

I think it's time we move past the point where we're afraid of DRM, and just play the game.

3 out of 5 of the games that I have with activation limits have required me to call the company. Two, I didn't even run out of activations with. I activated once, had a system problem, tried to activate again and failed, had to call the company. Yeah, there is a problem with activation limits. The main problem is that most games don't have activation limits. This is not my problem though, it is the company that uses activation limits problem. Why? Because, I can just buy another game that doesn't have this problem. Am I missing out? No, because I get to have more fun and less stress. Which is the whole point of playing games...

mriguy

12-27-2010, 11:20 PM

I've got about 20 games with securom. All 20 of them run fine with no issues at all related to Securom.

I think it's time we move past the point where we're afraid of DRM, and just play the game.

That's funny. I have over 250 games without SecROM and they run just fine. What makes Cities XL so special that it is better than all these other titles. I will rather spend my money with developers/publisher that respect their customers.

DRM is a pain, i'll admit i don't like it. But, at the same time only an idiot thinks there's shouldn't be no protection on games. Steam has it's own DRM, true, but lets face it that DRM is crack so easily it may as well not exist. Hell ALL of the steam only games are available as torrents usually within hours of them being released on steam. Blade Kitten, Tomb Raider, and NyxQuest were available as torrents a few hours before they were actually released on steam.

Another prime example is the Recettear game. The devs released it as a DRM free game, and low and behold it was on torrent sites befre the game was officially released.

So long as there're pirates running around ripping off the games, we'll have DRM that's there to try and prevent them. It sucks, but that's life.

Ah yes, the old (and overused) "look what happened when game x was released DRM free" and "Steam's DRM is broken argument". News Flash - SecuROM is broken just as easily so why put this extra burden on your customers. Cities will be pirated just as easily as games without DRM. Steam's DRM is fine and is used by many larger, more mature companies.

Here is the simple truth, and it has little to do with Steam or piracy. Focus wants to sell their title and DLC directly through their website and decided to use SecuROM. If they release a non-SecuROM version on Steam it would make the Steam version better. If you look at most titles with activation limits you will see that they have their own store. So stop saying the pirates caused this - it is simple greed and a detachment to the customer.

Rarz

12-28-2010, 06:56 AM

The problem with DRM is that it is a security risk. Few people realise that it bypasses your firewall, virusscanner(s) and usually behaves like a root kit in order to do it's thing. It is often poorly tested (especially in combination with other DRM code already installed), poorly documented and a potential backdoor for all sorts of people. Remember that debacle with the Sony rootkit a few years ago? (Sony BMG copy protection rootkit)

Steam is enough DRM for me. I'm not interested in pirated versions (or I wouldn't even be here). I wanted to check out this game, but lo and behold, another layer of pointless DRM. I'll skip this one, thanks.

FrankieTimer

12-28-2010, 08:47 AM

Are there any reasonable alternatives to CitiesXL 2011 that are not restricted with DRM?

Raefzm

12-28-2010, 02:25 PM

Wiggles

02-13-2011, 02:35 PM

Quote: Here is the simple truth, and it has little to do with Steam or piracy. Focus wants to sell their title and DLC directly through their website and decided to use SecuROM. If they release a non-SecuROM version on Steam it would make the Steam version better. If you look at most titles with activation limits you will see that they have their own store. So stop saying the pirates caused this - it is simple greed and a detachment to the customer. - mriguy

This is actually a good point. I have to say that I've been pretty disappointed with this company. From what I've been reading there are major problems with the steam version of this game, but the version from their site works fine. That along with putting SECUROM on a game that doesn't really need it makes me think it was planned...

chrisdglong

05-22-2011, 01:32 PM

5 machine activation limit

Ouch, wont be buying this one.

Megawizard

05-22-2011, 02:21 PM

Retail has it DVD checks, digital has it's DRM.

Unless of course retail has both, which it pretty much always does anymore.

BerinG

05-23-2011, 06:42 AM

Thanks for the info.. almost missed it.

Wont be buying it.

Simian_

05-31-2011, 01:16 PM

I was gonna buy this. But I saw on the store page it has SecuROM. No thanks! When will people learn not to put this crap into games? SecuROM is a deal breaker. I don't want that garbage on my machine.

bnscv

05-31-2011, 01:40 PM

Yep, I was gonna buy this game too, but I don't want another SecuROM game with activation limit. Why? Intrusive, and that crappy revoke tool never works.

Ohax

05-31-2011, 01:54 PM

Securom, il don't buy this game.

Sad for us !

Fozi

05-31-2011, 03:27 PM

My opinion is that Securom has no right of existence. It's a piece of software that has the sole purpose to restrict me. Therefore I am not buying games that try to force it on me.

It's already not legal to copy games or play games that one did not pay for. No one needs Securom, especialy since it's obviously no obstacle to pirates but continues to be an annoyance to users.

Royas

05-31-2011, 03:44 PM

They still haven't removed the DRM from this title? It's been what? 8 months now, the DRM has served its purpose... early day piracy is done now, they can patch out the limited activations now, just like every DRM company recommends. Right now, the only thing the DRM can do is cause a problem for customers, it provides no security at this point. Keeping something like that is a bad idea all around.

Still not buying, even on sale, not with limited activations.

roguekiller2323

05-31-2011, 08:14 PM

at first i was like WHAT THE HELL!

but then i realised, it's just a game, like one of the hundreds that i have, this limmited installs is a little off putting, but, having thought about it, it's probably not going to be a game that i'm going to want to install on many systems, i'll probably end up playing it once over untill i'm bored with it and that will be it.

not sure if there activations are revocable, as most are, there are revoke tools, or revoke on uninstall with most DRM games (most of the EA have a revoke activation tool).

some games are just classic, i would have a HUGE issue if there were limmited installs on some of my favorite games that i have installed on every system i have since i bought the games (and i bought them pretty much on release date) and must have installed them atleast 30 times on 6-7 diffrent machines, games like SimCity 4 or Evil Genius, but this game, i dont think it's going to be an issue, as with all the new games there all about sequals the next game, i'm pretty sure there working on the next version right now and i bet a better version will come out before you actually run out of activations.

not sure if you can revoke the activations on this one, but i'm sure Steam would be more than willing to help with the revocation of an activation should the need arise.

arijitsarkar

05-31-2011, 08:57 PM

I don't know what's the harm to buy a 5-machine limitation based game, if some one has only one or two PC for gaming. I have only one gaming PC and that's it. I did buy GTAIV in retail with Securom etc.

chrisdglong

06-01-2011, 02:25 AM

I was kind of looking at this game for a possible purchase... then, I saw 5 machine activations and put my wallet back in my pocket. No deal here!

shibby191

06-01-2011, 05:56 AM

mriguy

07-07-2011, 12:18 PM

While I hate DRM as much as the next person the 5 machine limit doesn't really bother me. I install it once on my gaming machine and the only other time I'll install it again is if I have to format the drive or when I build a new gaming PC in 4 years or so. I'll be lucky to hit 5 activations in 10 years.

You have to be careful with DRM as to what is considered a 'new machine'. Sometimes simply upgrading your video card is enough to trigger an activation. Since this does not have autorenewal, you will reach a point that your game will not activate. You will have to send multiple emails to explain yourself and actually prove that you own a game. I which case, sometimes you will only get one additional activation, forcing you to repeat this every time.

There is no need for additional DRM on Steam other than the fact the publishers want to sell copies through their own e-store. It really has nothing to do with piracy or additional perfection.

This additional DRM reduces a game's value to that of a rental.

I would have brought this and Divinity II. Focus Home has missed out on $28 just this week. I reall wanted Divinity II and would have paid full retail at release if their was no additional DRM.