No Bots No Cheats Realism Expert Solo - Every original L4D2 map [Archive]

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 09:46 AM

No Bots No Cheats Realism Expert Solo - Every original L4D2 map PLUS The Passing

UPDATE: Finally beat Port :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioQO6Egl5s

My YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/titsonabullsteam

I don't currently plan to solo the Sacrifice or any other L4D1 character maps. Probably won't do Cold Stream either, as I'm not keen on non-developer maps. If more L4D2 DLCs from Valve come along, might do those, and might tackle L4D3 in the future.

Here is the whole collection so far, every original L4D2 map plus the Passing done Realism Expert Solo, no bots and no cheats.

Previous maps were done one at a time, and for SOME (not all) I collected items from earlier maps with bots. But in some maps I just grabbed items in the safe room before starting the demo. Going forward, I will not do this. In Port, I start with nothing, since I had nothing coming out of Underground. In Port, I decided not to kick Zoey and company. They are part of the map, like gun turrets, and their support is nothing like a full bot, although invaluable. They are NPCs, not bots, and the map is over-compensated for them. Port is the hardest map to solo even with its NPCs which are part of the map. I say this after soloing ALL Left4Dead 2 maps in the game: Port was the worst.

Why is the playback a bit laggy? Because I played on a local Realism server and L4D2 has trouble playing that demo back smoothly. Using /realism at the console may make a demo that plays back smoother, but I heard you have to trick the playback to look like realism, so I wonder if it really is realism (tougher CI, fewer items) or just minus the outlines. Realism server demo plays back looking like realism, period.

Hope you enjoy the show!

Dead Center Map 1: Hotel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8titD387hU
Dead Center Map 2: Streets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILvWVoCa0QY
Dead Center Map 3: Mall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Tu3UWrn_o
Dead Center Finale: Atrium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tmsKW2Buc

The Passing Map 1: Riverbank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00HO9snEX90
The Passing Map 2: Underground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJqehbAt2qM
The Passing Finale: Port
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioQO6Egl5s

Dark Carnival Map 1: Highway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KhEJfipJo
Dark Carnival Map 2: Fairground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w23m-q4iMkw
Dark Carnival Map 3: Coaster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=391rR6d0ZlA
Dark Carnival Map 4: Barns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLm_NDgAcI
Dark Carnival Finale: Concert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6zSVd3GgY

Swamp Fever Map 1: Plank Country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRPnaVqBdXI
Swamp Fever Map 2: Swamp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIEMwNNvKbg
Swamp Fever Map 3: Shanty Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70XIezcE7uA
Swamp Fever Finale: Plantation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcWF_IaSfUw

Hard Rain Map 1: Milltown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw_2BgtLjZw
Hard Rain Map 2: Sugar Mill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt3ia-W_dxM
Hard Rain Map 3: Mill Escape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUhdsJg02hs
Hard Rain Map 4: Return to Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtt9BbtZYmg
Hard Rain Finale: Town Escape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb78M0eT0E

The Parish Map 1: Waterfront
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFdeprV-7U
The Parish Map 2: Park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOuHvoE5I4
The Parish Map 3: Cemetery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItQ2jXSRXVg
The Parish Map 4: Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJHHxuOzOLM
The Parish Finale: Bridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG4xtDPNsp0

My YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/titsonabullsteam

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 09:48 AM

This is further proof that the bots are a liability.
Also, ♥♥♥♥ing nice. How do people do this? :confused:

EDIT: I swear I could hear a Tank growling all through DC1...

JokersFlame

10-17-2010, 09:57 AM

Ha! Great job man.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 09:58 AM

This is further proof that the bots are a liability.
Also, ♥♥♥♥ing nice. How do people do this? :confused:

EDIT: I swear I could hear a Tank growling all through DC1...

Yeah bots can be annoying. Type "kick Coach", etc., and gone they are until you go back to the lobby :). Thanks, and I'll maybe do a how-to video later for anyone interested.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 09:59 AM

Ha! Great job man.

Thanks man :)

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 10:11 AM

"Alarm's off! Thanks for turning off that alarm..."
Oh Nick, you so crazy.
Also, subscribed.

mithrandir3

10-17-2010, 10:14 AM

This is further proof that the bots are a liability.
Also, ♥♥♥♥ing nice. How do people do this? :confused:

EDIT: I swear I could hear a Tank growling all through DC1...
I don't agree with this. Bots can be VERY useful in Expert campaigns, providing their capabilities are used well. I'm not saying this is easy, but overall Expert is not easy, so..

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 10:16 AM

I don't agree with this. Bots can be VERY useful in Expert campaigns, providing their capabilities are used well. I'm not saying this is easy, but overall Expert is not easy, so..

Well, when I play with bots, I often get the crap killed out of me whilst instinctively trying to save them.
So in my case, they are a liability. :)

mithrandir3

10-17-2010, 10:25 AM

Well, when I play with bots, I often get the crap killed out of me whilst instinctively trying to save them.
So in my case, they are a liability. :)
I played a lot of No Mercy on the first game with one of my friends, and two bots, and we discovered that if we did not bother for them in panic events, they could attract the horde for us. So even if they die, on "non Realism mode", it can be really useful, because they will still spawn shortly after that. It is maybe different in Expert Realism I reckon.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 10:26 AM

"Alarm's off! Thanks for turning off that alarm..."
Oh Nick, you so crazy.
Also, subscribed.

Nick pwns, and thanks for subbing :)

GamingAwesome1

10-17-2010, 10:30 AM

Awwww.

When I saw this thread I thought you'd managed to beat The Port.

No plans to take your uber skills into the new DLC campaigns either? It's a shame but I can imagine these kinds of runs are really taxing to pull off.

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 10:35 AM

I call bull♥♥♥♥ on your playtroghts evry map you preaty much start with a boomer bile and Adrelaline and what's with the lag in the video it feals like the video was speed up when using tas

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 10:47 AM

I call bull♥♥♥♥ on your playtroghts evry map you preaty much start with a boomer bile and Adrelaline and what's with the lag in the video it feals like the video was speed up when using tas

I mentioned above, "Maps were done one at a time, and I collected items for many from earlier maps with bots." And if TAS is time assisted something, no cheats were used, period.

Awwww.

When I saw this thread I thought you'd managed to beat The Port.

No plans to take your uber skills into the new DLC campaigns either? It's a shame but I can imagine these kinds of runs are really taxing to pull off.

Port is giving me much trouble. I haven't thrown in the towel, just scaling back, and I wanted to post the set before L4D3 came out :| And yes, these are tiring! Thinking of some relaxing Star Trek Online soon :)

Scars Tropics

10-17-2010, 11:16 AM

Absolutley ridiculous. I consider this the pinnacle of what one could achieve in l4d2. Some would say competitive team play, but this is on another level from that.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 11:28 AM

Absolutley ridiculous. I consider this the pinnacle of what one could achieve in l4d2. Some would say competitive team play, but this is on another level from that.

Thanks man :) I remember Versus being hard in a different way, yet for sure this was really hard.

Diabhal

10-17-2010, 11:46 AM

Are you sure you didn't macro a certain command to a key and spammed it whenever you heard an SI?

It's not a cheat, won't show up in this vid, and would explain the ridiculous lack of SI.

Vink

10-17-2010, 11:47 AM

I notice that you change the difficulty at the beginning of each map. Isn't this influencing the actual difficulty rather than loading the map on expert?

Right2Live

10-17-2010, 11:48 AM

Why is this a demo playback?

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 11:55 AM

Are you sure you didn't macro a certain command to a key and spammed it whenever you heard an SI?
It's not a cheat, won't show up in this vid, and would explain the ridiculous lack of SI.

That would be a total cheat, and no cheats were used, 100%. Lack of SI is subjective. I think there were more than enough SI for my liking.

I notice that you change the difficulty at the beginning of each map. Isn't this influencing the actual difficulty rather than loading the map on expert?

I don't think so, because I never saw certain goodies lying around that are not supposed to be there on expert, like extra med kits. I was careful not to leave the safe room until it had switched in later runs, and in all the runs not make any kills until it switched. I did it because I couldn't figure out how to show the skill level in the demo otherwise. By the time I heard there might be another way, I'd done half the maps so I just kept doing that.

Edit: I also switched to normal only after dying in a previous expert attempt, then back to expert in the safe room to start the next run.

Why is this a demo playback?

Using FRAPs in real time was way too laggy to play. Game engine demo recording caused no lag during the game.

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 12:09 PM

curran12

10-17-2010, 12:13 PM

I'm damn impressed, I think the crown jewel of this was the Atrium run, that was sublime.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 12:14 PM

one map today , an other map tomorow that sucks balls, you finish privius map with no itams next map you got itams that you need for the next map , if you wanted to do a good video you sould have started from 1 to 5 without exiting the game and playing with what you find.

I don't think you understand.
You see, people have LIVES, meaning people can't spend dozens of hours at a time trying to do something that is almost impossible.
Just watch it and enjoy it. Stop trying to poke holes in his work just because you aren't skilled or patient enough to do it yourself, it just makes you look like an envious ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag.

Zora-Link

10-17-2010, 12:19 PM

I don't think you understand.
You see, people have LIVES, meaning people can't spend dozens of hours at a time trying to do something that is almost impossible.
Just watch it and enjoy it. Stop trying to poke holes in his work just because you aren't skilled or patient enough to do it yourself, it just makes you look like an envious ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag.

Not to mention the video would then last HOURS upon HOURS, as I'm sure there were a fair number of wipes :)

And impressive job, I try expert realism with bots and have trouble, so solo is amazing.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 12:23 PM

The reson why I said TAS was beacuse your video was like well it was a earthquake when you played evrytime or you got oldtimers.

It means Tool Assited Speedrun, ti_sonabull, btw. :)
Anyway John, have you ever played while recording with FRAPs? It causes big lag.

And Zora-Link, good point. Although I'd replace the hours upon hours with days upon days as he said himself in one of his videos some levels took him 40+, even 100, tries.

andrew086

10-17-2010, 12:26 PM

wat... at the end of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KhEJfipJo (highway), did that hunter do 50 damage in one scratch?

Queraxle

10-17-2010, 12:26 PM

Awesome job.
I just got 1 question - how come you get so few tanks? For example in Dead Center you only got a tank in the finale.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 12:27 PM

wat... at the end of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KhEJfipJo (highway), did that hunter do 50 damage in one scratch?

Fourty.
And that, kids, is why they need to fix the Hunter-scratch-while-stumbling. Ended many an Expert run for me.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 12:28 PM

Awesome job.
I just got 1 question - how come you get so few tanks? For example in Dead Center you only got a tank in the finale.

Well, it probably took him loads of tries, so my guess is he probably made it only on the tries when there weren't any Tanks. Tanks are alot more temperamental on Campaign than Versus. :)

andrew086

10-17-2010, 12:39 PM

Fourty.
And that, kids, is why they need to fix the Hunter-scratch-while-stumbling. Ended many an Expert run for me.

umm.. he had 99, then after the hunter scratched him he had 49. 99 - 49 = 50.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 12:45 PM

umm.. he had 99, then after the hunter scratched him he had 49. 99 - 49 = 50.

Seriously?
Maybe a common hit him from behind or something. Please don't tell me they've UPPED the Hunter's expert claw damage? D:

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 12:46 PM

I don't think you understand.
You see, people have LIVES, meaning people can't spend dozens of hours at a time trying to do something that is almost impossible.
Just watch it and enjoy it. Stop trying to poke holes in his work just because you aren't skilled or patient enough to do it yourself, it just makes you look like an envious ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag.

Not Skilled enough huh I just did The Prish right now and I am uploading it to youtube without a breake it took me only 1 h for a 15 min movie and no cuts like in this video witch sux.And in my movie I don't have any lag when I am recording it.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 12:47 PM

I'm damn impressed, I think the crown jewel of this was the Atrium run, that was sublime.

Thanks, glad you liked them :) Yeah Atrium was about as hard as Concert for me.

And impressive job, I try expert realism with bots and have trouble, so solo is amazing.

Thanks a lot :)

It means Tool Assited Speedrun, ti_sonabull, btw. :)
Anyway John, have you ever played while recording with FRAPs? It causes big lag.

And Zora-Link, good point. Although I'd replace the hours upon hours with days upon days as he said himself in one of his videos some levels took him 40+, even 100, tries.

Ah thanks! I got some lag during playback record into FRAPs that was not there during the game itself. Most of the demos I recorded with FRAPs many times, and picked the least laggy one. So true on the days upon days, Concert alone took 6 weeks to figure out, more than an hour a day.

wat... at the end of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KhEJfipJo (highway), did that hunter do 50 damage in one scratch?
Fourty.
And that, kids, is why they need to fix the Hunter-scratch-while-stumbling. Ended many an Expert run for me.

Yes! Hunters do horrendous damage close up with claws. At the end of Plantation one did 40 damage just before the boat came, that was almost a very sad ending to a long battle.

Awesome job.
I just got 1 question - how come you get so few tanks? For example in Dead Center you only got a tank in the finale.
Well, it probably took him loads of tries, so my guess is he probably made it only on the tries when there weren't any Tanks. Tanks are alot more temperamental on Campaign than Versus. :)

Thanks :) Sure did take loads of tries. To the question, there were tanks in various maps, just not all maps. Dead Centre not many, but other campaigns had more tanks, like Hard Rain for example had tanks almost every map. The tanks I avoided fighting when possible though. And yes, tanks do like to end runs :O.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 01:00 PM

Not Skilled enough huh I just did The Prish right now and I am uploading it to youtube without a breake it took me only 1 h for a 15 min movie and no cuts like in this video witch sux.And in my movie I don't have any lag when I am recording it.

If you're gonna call bull♥♥♥♥, post a link to prove it.
Also, I know not of this Prish you speak of.

shermalerm

10-17-2010, 01:01 PM

Not Skilled enough huh I just did The Prish right now and I am uploading it to youtube without a breake it took me only 1 h for a 15 min movie and no cuts like in this video witch sux.And in my movie I don't have any lag when I am recording it.

I can tell by your typing that youre a wasd master. @Ti_Sonabull: Im still a believer. Good idea consolidating all your work in one thread. 5 starred, +rep, yada yada yada

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 01:10 PM

@Ti_Sonabull: Im still a believer. Good idea consolidating all your work in one thread. 5 starred, +rep, yada yada yada

Thanks glad to hear it :) and I just didn't want L4D3 to come out first!

Cooliosis

10-17-2010, 01:20 PM

Nice. One thing I've learned though is that this stuff is about 10x harder when you can't find any bile. :(

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 01:23 PM

Nice. One thing I've learned though is that this stuff is about 10x harder when you can't find any bile. :(

Thanks, and I do hear you about the bile. For many of my maps (though not all) I collected bile from earlier maps with bots. Some of them I didn't.

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 01:24 PM

If you're gonna call bull♥♥♥♥, post a link to prove it.
Also, I know not of this Prish you speak of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGTjef7E1Nw

here you go with one siting

Scars Tropics

10-17-2010, 01:25 PM

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 01:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGTjef7E1Nw

here you go with one siting

Interesting.
But you'll find you don't get any praise from the forumers in this thread.
That is because you are an ♥♥♥.
Also, this isn't The Prish. I am dissappoint.

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 01:38 PM

Interesting.
But you'll find you don't get any praise from the forumers in this thread.
That is because you are an ♥♥♥.
Also, this isn't The Prish. I am dissappoint.

now who is the ♥♥♥ now I was just saying that it's not fair like that.I am just saying if you wana do it do it from begining to end not to have helpfull tools for your mision.

shermalerm

10-17-2010, 01:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGTjef7E1Nw

here you go with one siting

Impressive. But no cuts? How bout the cut right after you switched to expert? Between each map? And whats with the hunter that died the second he pounced you? I watched it on a 2 inch screen so maybe I missed something but....

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 01:51 PM

Impressive. But no cuts? How bout the cut right after you switched to expert? Between each map? And whats with the hunter that died the second he pounced you? I watched it on a 2 inch screen so maybe I missed something but....

you mean when the tank trow the car on the hunter(killed him) and relesh me ?The first cut was just to show the dificulty and restart of the map doh.Or the hunter in map when I headshothim the sec he allmost pounced me ? you wana see that in slow MO ?(it's Similer to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMI56h4HzVg )

nico57300

10-17-2010, 02:03 PM

Wow! You're awesome dude! :) Finish The Passing, The Sacrifice & No Mercy and I'll call you God!

shermalerm

10-17-2010, 02:14 PM

you mean when the tank trow the car on the hunter(killed him) and relesh me ?The first cut was just to show the dificulty and restart of the map doh.Or the hunter in map when I headshothim the sec he allmost pounced me ? you wana see that in slow MO ?(it's Similer to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMI56h4HzVg )

Couldve been a car (it was the impound lot after the sewer). Like I said, 2 inch phone screen (couldnt even read the vote to restart). Impressive job dude, I couldnt do it, sonabulls posted his triumphs before here so were just quick to come to his defense.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 02:15 PM

Wow! You're awesome dude! :) Finish The Passing, The Sacrifice & No Mercy and I'll call you God!

Thanks! No plans to solo L4D1 content though, and Port is really tough. But it might happen still.

JNAYYY

10-17-2010, 02:16 PM

i dont know how the hunter got killed. but it wasnt a car. wasnt a rock throw either.

Lostie

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

That was very impressive Ti_sonabull, of course you cannot physically do the Sacrifice like that though (the finale I mean) :) The only way would be to have a "passive" friend who didn't shoot anything, and his only purpose was to stay on the bridge while you sacrificed yourself - now that would be equally impressive. In fact the first Sacrifice map with the caged tank section would also be very interesting to solo since movement is quite restricted there... Perhaps chuck a bile, draw the tank out to the back, then rush past him and open the other door?

The Atrium was particularly impressive, it was very entertaining overall well played ;)

Tyranius2

10-17-2010, 02:25 PM

I don't think you understand.
You see, people have LIVES, meaning people can't spend dozens of hours at a time trying to do something that is almost impossible.
Just watch it and enjoy it. Stop trying to poke holes in his work just because you aren't skilled or patient enough to do it yourself, it just makes you look like an envious ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag.

If he's going to make runs in more than one sitting, don't you think he should start empty handed instead of giving himself items? That's a cheat to me, which voids the "achievement" on these runs. That's just what I think.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 02:52 PM

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 04:19 PM

If he's going to make runs in more than one sitting, don't you think he should start empty handed instead of giving himself items? That's a cheat to me, which voids the "achievement" on these runs. That's just what I think.

Yes that would be harder. I did that in some maps. I'm not saying the way I did it was the hardest way to do it. But I didn't stand on the safety fence in Park waiting for the door to open either. There are always things people can pick at, for sure they can and are picking at mine. I did it one map at a time, but if someone else can do it all in one go, that's great. However, I doubt they'd have as easy a time doing that in Dark Carnival as the Parish.

Curs3d

10-17-2010, 05:10 PM

[...]In fact the first Sacrifice map with the caged tank section would also be very interesting to solo since movement is quite restricted there... Perhaps chuck a bile, draw the tank out to the back, then rush past him and open the other door?

The Atrium was particularly impressive, it was very entertaining overall well played ;)

Unfortunately, it's not that easy. Once the tank is out, you must kill him before they allow you to open the second door to continue. I'd imagine bile jars would play a huge role in this battle, though (tank slow down and avoid attention of the horde).

Nice job, by the way, sonabull. I was tempted to do something like this with the "Last Man on Earth" mutation, but I ended up getting lazy. :D Although I did managed to complete the "Dead Center" and "The Parish" campaigns on expert with LMoE, but that's really nothing compared to what you've done. Good job. :)

Interrobangin

10-17-2010, 05:25 PM

Very nice. I tried this a long time ago on Hard Rain, and it took me six hours to finish, and I had to use bots on the second level.
You have my respect.

Do Hard Eight next.

Ti_sonabull

10-17-2010, 05:43 PM

Nice job, by the way, sonabull. I was tempted to do something like this with the "Last Man on Earth" mutation, but I ended up getting lazy. :D Although I did managed to complete the "Dead Center" and "The Parish" campaigns on expert with LMoE, but that's really nothing compared to what you've done. Good job. :)

Thanks, and good job to you doing them on LMOE, I don't think anything solo in this game is easy. It's easy to get lazy, it's such a load of work. I'm looking forward to picking up a new game soon and playing something with less pressure for awhile.

Very nice. I tried this a long time ago on Hard Rain, and it took me six hours to finish, and I had to use bots on the second level.
You have my respect.

Do Hard Eight next.

Thanks man glad you liked :) Hard Eight solo, now that would be a major challenge :O

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 11:10 PM

Yes that would be harder. I did that in some maps. I'm not saying the way I did it was the hardest way to do it. But I didn't stand on the safety fence in Park waiting for the door to open either. There are always things people can pick at, for sure they can and are picking at mine. I did it one map at a time, but if someone else can do it all in one go, that's great. However, I doubt they'd have as easy a time doing that in Dark Carnival as the Parish.

the fence in the park wating for the door is on way of doing it eazy there are other ways to do it to but I did not show them but it dosen't mean there are not there at lest i was fair in my Run not giving my self all the itams need for specific map to win it.And I even done L4D 1 map but did not recored it those L4D 1 maps are easy as hell to run.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 11:16 PM

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 11:17 PM

Oh my God, man, nobody cares, make your own damn thread.
Also, Hard Eight Expert run... This I would like to see.

it's not hard to do hard eight Run doh (and learn expert because zombies on exper if they hit you from behind they do 10 damage and from front 20 damage)

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 11:18 PM

it's not hard to do hard eight Run doh

...
I feel like an idiot now.
I just fed a troll.
Oh well.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 11:19 PM

(and learn expert because zombies on exper if they hit you from behind they do 10 damage and from front 20 damage)

Wat.
I never said otherwise? :confused:

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 11:27 PM

Wat.
I never said otherwise? :confused:

sry that was my bad I saw a noob posting that it was made on advance because i recived 10 damage and I thoght it was you.

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 11:29 PM

sry that was my bad I saw a noob posting that it was made on advance because i recived 10 damage and I thoght it was you.

S'okay. I'm done being a ♥♥♥♥ anyway. Your run was pretty good.

john_volkov

10-17-2010, 11:41 PM

I wana do the solo run on No mercy for l4d 2 so who sould I pick ?

E0GH4N

10-17-2010, 11:49 PM

I wana do the solo run on No mercy for l4d 2 so who sould I pick ?

Coach.
And oh boy, you're in for some fun.

Jackolako

10-18-2010, 01:47 AM

I'm surprised at the amount of people picking holes in this. This is amazing. Very good work. Please don't feed the troll. *COUGH john_volkov COUGH*

SS Dragon

10-18-2010, 03:44 AM

Not to take anything away from OP (you did a good job on this) but when you go solo in this game, it's so basic because there is only one viable strategy that will ever work: rushing.

I think people focus too much on the idea that it's just 1 guy on realism expert without realising how simple it is in actual truth. Anyone could do this if they actually understood how the AI director and the game mechanics work and played to that advantage.

The AI director is only allowed to spawn a certain amount of commons at a max limit (30 commons at once I believe). I only watched about 4 or 5 of the videos just now but notice how he kills only a few of them out of the safe room and leaves a lot of them chasing him.

That's because he knows that the AI director is only allowed to spawn minimal replacements for the ones he killed, meaning there's only very few commons to get in his way the further the level goes on. Whether that's more him being clever with the gameplay or just exploiting a fault in the AI director, who knows. I'm not really laying judgement on that.

Then add in the fact that his rushing made sure the SI weren't really in the game (and perhaps that he had no tanks to deal with apart from the finales).

Guess it depends on which people prefer, going solo or taking on the responsibility of getting yourself and 3 bots to the safe room when their stupidity is a massive risk. Even though one sounds more uber-impressive than the other, few people realise the contrast in how much there is to do between them.

I will say excellent job on the Atrium finale though, when there are commons around at the same time as the tank, you did the only tactic possible to survive that. Now go and do the Passing finale, I know it's doable ;)

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 04:27 AM

the fence in the park wating for the door is on way of doing it eazy there are other ways to do it to but I did not show them but it dosen't mean there are not there at lest i was fair in my Run not giving my self all the itams need for specific map to win it.And I even done L4D 1 map but did not recored it those L4D 1 maps are easy as hell to run.

My point was one can always poke holes. You know, others here have posted two-man runs on expert. I didn't come in and ♥♥♥♥ all over them, though others like you did. I never said I did it the hardest way possible. I did something that I found hard, and most would find hard, and I posted it, thinking many would enjoy it, and many do like watching them. You came in and high jacked the thread with your ego. It's people like you that caused me to leave MP to begin with. You picked the easiest campaign to prove your point, go do Dark Carnival in an hour and I'd be more impressed (but know you are turning off the AI). But post it in your own thread. You seem to have won over some of the people in here but to you to me you are the reason people stop playing MP, skilled player or not.

Not to take anything away from OP (you did a good job on this) but when you go solo in this game, it's so basic because there is only one viable strategy that will ever work: rushing.

I think people focus too much on the idea that it's just 1 guy on realism expert without realising how simple it is in actual truth. Anyone could do this if they actually understood how the AI director and the game mechanics work and played to that advantage.

The AI director is only allowed to spawn a certain amount of commons at a max limit (30 commons at once I believe). I only watched about 4 or 5 of the videos just now but notice how he kills only a few of them out of the safe room and leaves a lot of them chasing him.

That's because he knows that the AI director is only allowed to spawn minimal replacements for the ones he killed, meaning there's only very few commons to get in his way the further the level goes on. Whether that's more him being clever with the gameplay or just exploiting a fault in the AI director, who knows. I'm not really laying judgement on that.

Then add in the fact that his rushing made sure the SI weren't really in the game (and perhaps that he had no tanks to deal with apart from the finales).

Guess it depends on which people prefer, going solo or taking on the responsibility of getting yourself and 3 bots to the safe room when their stupidity is a massive risk. Even though one sounds more uber-impressive than the other, few people realise the contrast in how much there is to do between them.

I will say excellent job on the Atrium finale though, when there are commons around at the same time as the tank, you did the only tactic possible to survive that. Now go and do the Passing finale, I know it's doable ;)

Good analysis of what it takes to do these and why they work, though I disagree there were no SI to contend with. If you run fast enough then yes you get less, but not none. I dealt with a pile of SI, especially in all the crescendo points.

But I reiterate, this was not the hardest way to do it. It was however, pretty hard! On Port, I know it's doable, I've had >10 in, but it's been a few weeks, and I'm probably done with the game tbh, need a break anyway.

I'm surprised at the amount of people picking holes in this. This is amazing. Very good work. Please don't feed the troll. *COUGH john_volkov COUGH*

Thanks, and yes lots of haters here. This was not the hardest way to do it, just something I did that was meant to be fun.

Doc Shmok

10-18-2010, 04:34 AM

Doc Shmok

10-18-2010, 04:42 AM

Thanks, and yes lots of haters here. This was not the hardest way to do it, just something I did that was meant to be fun.

I enjoyed yours especially the atrium. :)

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 04:51 AM

I enjoyed yours especially the atrium. :)

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

john_volkov

10-18-2010, 05:42 AM

Nah hunter suddenly dies .. very suspicious.. I agree

DOH jesus , I got pounced on the ladder with a tank behind him the second I got pounced The Tank has pounced the car right over me and the hunter , it killed the hunter off me and gave me a 1 sec GOD LIKE since it's the game.

Zunkill

10-18-2010, 06:57 AM

you should do a fail and bloopers video :D lol great job btw put everyone to shame ;) hehe

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 07:15 AM

you should do a fail and bloopers video :D lol great job btw put everyone to shame ;) hehe

Thanks :) Failures would be a long video :P I had some pretty close calls, like in Concert I went down in sight of the chopper a couple times, once only 20 feet away from it, that gave me nightmares :eek:

harlequ1n

10-18-2010, 07:30 AM

Amazingly executed, very entertaining to see and analyse to learn how to deal with the hardest parts of some levels! You're a monster.

Shazam

10-18-2010, 07:39 AM

Absolutley ridiculous. I consider this the pinnacle of what one could achieve in l4d2. Some would say competitive team play, but this is on another level from that.

I don't really think so. First of all, outrunning the horde is pretty easy when you don't have teammates in the rear to think about. Second of all, bots tend to spawn uselessly, and the director, even on expert, isn't particularly aggressive with them.

Watch the passing 1 video. He sees a whopping 2 special infected throughout his run; a spitter and a boomer. The spitter spits uselessly, doing 0 damage. The boomer manages to boom him because it actually spawned above him for once, and jumped on his head while he rushed fairly heedlessly.

The poing being, he didn't have to fight off a single pinner that whole game. No hunters, no smokers, no chargers. GG valve.

Didn't even have to crown the witch due to the way the game works, just ran right past her.

That being said, solo expert realism play has the POTENTIAL to be very impressive, but you have to mess with the console commands first.

This is part of my "solo challenge mode" script. There are other things that can be done to make the game even more challenging, I'm sure, but this is just for starters.
z_pounce_crouch_delay 0;
z_pounce_damage_interrupt 0;
smoker_tongue_delay 0;
tongue_break_from_damage_amount 300;
z_boomer_limit 0;
z_spitter_limit 0;
z_charger_limit 2;
z_smoker limit 2;
z_hunter_limit 3;
director_special_respawn_interval 20;
kick Rochelle; kick Ellis; kick Coach; kick Nick; kick bill; kick zoey; kick louis; kick francis

This makes special infected spawn faster, and cuts out the infected most useless against solo survivors as bots (spitter, boomer), while increasing the frequency of the more challenging infected, completely eliminating the delay a smoker or hunter would normally have (2 seconds of loud noises before the smoke), and eliminating the ability of a survivor to free themselves from a tongue by shooting the smoker (forcing them to rely on good positioning and tongue cutting skills), or causing hunters to leap away, encouraging the hunter to attack aggressively.

I'm sure making the witch more aggressive could help too, forcing you to crown her when she's blocking your path, and perhaps this mode would be too insane without reducing the common level (say, to z_common_limit 15) to reflect the player count. But if you plan on running like hell anyway, the common limit really doesn't mean a hell of a lot, assuming with waves of pinner specials you even can run.

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 07:49 AM

Amazingly executed, very entertaining to see and analyse to learn how to deal with the hardest parts of some levels! You're a monster.

Thanks glad you enjoyed :), strategy was critical.

I don't really think so. First of all, outrunning the horde is pretty easy when you don't have teammates in the rear to think about. Second of all, bots tend to spawn uselessly, and the director, even on expert, isn't particularly aggressive with them.

Watch the passing 1 video. He sees a whopping 2 special infected throughout his run; a spitter and a boomer. The spitter spits uselessly, doing 0 damage. The boomer manages to boom him because it actually spawned above him for once, and jumped on his head while he rushed fairly heedlessly.

The poing being, he didn't have to fight off a single pinner that whole game. No hunters, no smokers, no chargers. GG valve.

Yes some maps were easy. Riverbank was one. But other maps don't let you run, like Concert, Plantation, and other crescendo areas. I never said this was the hardest way to play. It was hard enough though, and interesting and fun for some people to watch. I'm quite sure you can make it harder.

Shazam

10-18-2010, 07:51 AM

Thanks glad you enjoyed :), strategy was critical.

Yes some maps were easy. Riverbank was one. But other maps don't let you run, like Concert, Plantation, and other crescendo areas. I never said this was the hardest way to play. It was hard enough though, and interesting and fun for some people to watch. I'm quite sure you can make it harder.

I'll check those out.

But you know, I didn't post all those commands for ♥♥♥♥s and giggles... *nudge nudge*.

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 08:00 AM

I'll check those out.

But you know, I didn't post all those commands for ♥♥♥♥s and giggles... *nudge nudge*.

Ha, I get you, but I'm probably done with L4D2 tbh, but others will probably want to do it. After a few years off gaming to finish school I have this big pile of catch-up games I bought >1.5 year ago, and just a few games into it, two little games called L4D1 and L4D2 kind of ate up all my gaming time since then.

Boriz

10-18-2010, 08:03 AM

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 10:00 AM

Ti_sonabull, Your videos are awesome! Is there any chance to play with you?

I don't understand some of your actions in your videos. Like in The Passing, map 2 in those sewer crescendo you used your adrenaline too soon and used your bile bomb when no zombies was around. I think you could use those items later in a better way but it doesn't matter now.

+rep

Thanks glad you liked :) I haven't played online L4D2 in awhile, and am probably going to pick up the next game in my catch-up pile! Regarding how I did things, I just wanted to get to the end, I didn't really care about doing things the best way, long as it got me there. The bile I threw towards a hunter growl and thought if I got caught up fighting him I could be overwhelmed. I think I hit him with it, cause he got stuck and I later on heard him die?

sruf

10-18-2010, 10:03 AM

which one of those maps was the hardest one?

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 10:17 AM

which one of those maps was the hardest one?

For me, Concert and Atrium seemed tied in difficulty as the worst, though Concert took way longer.

n3ko

10-18-2010, 10:38 AM

this is madness... especially finales... :eek:

unbelievable...

much respect, man!

Yeah bots can be annoying. Type "kick Coach", etc., and gone they are until you go back to the lobby :). Thanks, and I'll maybe do a how-to video later for anyone interested.

and i was killing bots everytime xD thanks for the tip!

I don't agree with this. Bots can be VERY useful in Expert campaigns, providing their capabilities are used well. I'm not saying this is easy, but overall Expert is not easy, so..
imagine stupid bots trying to heal him... he would have died 1000x times and thrown computer out of the window :)

helooooooooooooooooooooo? xD

Zora-Link

10-18-2010, 11:16 AM

Hmmm, does typing the "Kick Coach/Nick/Ellis" cause the achievement to bug out? I just tried this for the hell of it as I don't have "The Real Deal" on PC, finally finished the Parish after a long time, but didn't get the achievement. No cheats were on. It was frustrating, the actual play through was fun (If not frustrating as well) but it was kinda a poke in the eye to not get the achievement at the end. :p

Ti_sonabull

10-18-2010, 11:25 AM

this is madness... especially finales... :eek:
unbelievable...
much respect, man!
and i was killing bots everytime xD thanks for the tip!
imagine stupid bots trying to heal him... he would have died 1000x times and thrown computer out of the window :)
helooooooooooooooooooooo? xD

Thanks, and no worries glad to help! Some runs I saw online leave the bots alive and incapped to attract the zombies while they take off running, in that sense maybe bots can be helpful left moaning on the ground ;)

Hmmm, does typing the "Kick Coach/Nick/Ellis" cause the achievement to bug out? I just tried this for the hell of it as I don't have "The Real Deal" on PC, finally finished the Parish after a long time, but didn't get the achievement. No cheats were on. It was frustrating, the actual play through was fun (If not frustrating as well) but it was kinda a poke in the eye to not get the achievement at the end. :p

Achievements still work, I've got various achievements solo, but after Valve deleted them all twice, I stopped caring about those :P

Lostie

10-19-2010, 07:29 AM

Ti_sonabull

10-19-2010, 10:23 AM

Ti_sonabull: In your opinion, which L4D2 campaign would you say was the easiest overall to solo on Expert Realism mode? I've been having a go on The Parish, I chose that campaign just because the bridge finale seems easier than the other finales.

After a lot of trying on The Parish, I managed to get to level 3 but am facing issues with the "AI director" making some very bizarre decisions... I'm not referring to its habit of placing tanks right in front of my path (although that is annoying), but the fact that it tends to place less of the items you use the most the more times you die on a particular level (i.e. adrenaline, puke and the auto-shotguns). In fact on level 2 I got to a point where it would REFUSE point blank to place any auto-shotguns at all, and adrenaline+puke became very rare indeed :mad: And the majority of the later weapon drops became tier 1 instead of tier 2 :mad: Did you experience anything like this during your runs?

Long answer, sorry:

I did find AI got harder the longer I was in a map. Coaster got absurd, it was like Boxing Day at the mall, wall to wall CI. Some agree and others disagree, but I've noticed the AI learns your route and makes it harder. My Concert runs were like that, but Coaster was even worse than Concert for AI.

As I mentioned up front in my OP and was heavily criticized for in this thread, in many of my runs (not all), I collected items from earlier maps with bots. When I started this, I had no intention of doing them all, it was a one-map-at-a-time endeavor, modeled off some other guys online who were doing that starting with bile and a shot. But maybe 1/3 of my maps do not start like that, more than just map 1 of each campaign. E .g., Plantation, no bile, but yes, a shot. Return to Town, started naked. Other maps too, like Bridge and Mill Escape, or Park, no bile, but a pipe. I would do them all the pure way R-E if I started again now, just as I did them all pure on easy aeons ago. But I should get back to my unopened stack of catch-up games after several years of school with no gaming.

That said, I think the Parish is easiest, thanks in part to the finale. The other finales are much harder to solo. Bridge was the very first map I ever soled Realism Expert, in fact, might be one of the easiest (and no bile in that one, used a pipe). But you need to manage bile if you do whole campaigns. I would collect bile in map 2, and save it for map 4. You can rush through map 3 without bile (though I used one near the end). Map 4 you want a bile for. You'll see in my run I did an intricate set up with cans and propane there. I also used bile. Others have Conaned it. An easier way another guy did was to hide under the stairs protected by gas can fire. That's a better approach to the Quarter crescendo, and would let you save the bile for getting from the tractor to the safe room. Bridge can be done easily with a pipe bomb, which are provided there.

Dark Carnival is one of worst campaigns to solo. If you want to do it as a purest (campaign style, not one map at a time), I would use the bile in Barns like I did in my Barns run. That means Coaster would need to be done without bile because you won't find bile in Barns I think. I have been very near the end of Coaster with no bile used, though in my successful run I did use it just before getting outside. I think Concert is doable without bile, since I've been to the chopper twice solo with no bile in Concert, but got taken down in sight of rescue. A well timed pipe bomb might get you into the chopper, especially if you get lucky and it lands on your side! Concert always has 4 shots and 4 med kits in the arena, usually pipes, and never bile on R-E. So any bile I collected early in DCa I would use in Barns.

Zora-Link

10-19-2010, 11:09 AM

Ti_sonabull

10-20-2010, 10:39 AM

As an aside, I tried to solo Parish again, and this time it gave me the achievement. Achievements on Steam are weird. I tried No Mercy after that, and got within sight of the chopper (On the helipad) then a tank rock sniped me. I cried.

Congrats on Parish! On the chopper, I feel your pain, I went down twice in sight of the chopper in Concert, it can give you nightmares. Try it again and you'll probably blast through if you got that far already. Remember, tanks can wall hack in L4D2, so they can nail you with a rock just as you come into view.

Huff

10-20-2010, 12:33 PM

Achievement Unlocked!

Holy Spaghetti!

Earn Huff's Respect. And a +Rep

Ti_sonabull

10-20-2010, 01:00 PM

Achievement Unlocked!

Holy Spaghetti!

Earn Huff's Respect. And a +Rep

My best achievement yet, thank you!

jonnyohio

10-20-2010, 01:16 PM

Ti_sonabull

10-20-2010, 01:38 PM

Videos are great! I noticed that you had a low SI count though on the parts I watched. Is that just by chance? I tried this and made it through the first level of Dead Center and killed 2 SI. The second map I got my ♥♥♥ handed to me when all four SI ganged up on me halfway through.

Thanks, glad you like them :) Rushing reduces the number of SI you encounter, but doesn't eliminate them, low SI in a given video would be luck and rushing. Running fast right away means you can get far before the first SI even spawn. You can often hear them nearby and just run on by, avoiding them until you're stuck at a choke point, then there are more. There are more SI in some videos in the series too, it varied.

BIGtimeOwnage

10-20-2010, 01:52 PM

BIGtimeOwnage

10-20-2010, 01:54 PM

Other than that issue... Nice job

Ti_sonabull

10-20-2010, 02:04 PM

Sorry to say that on carnival finale, quite a few times where u locked on to something like 360 spin looking down at same time and just magically having your crosshairs right on the gas tank. Anyone else see some locking on targets???

No cheats were used. If I have particularly good spin and aim onto cans or other things, it might be because I did that run a lot before it worked. Great hardware might help too. Lighting up those cans at specific times and spots was SOP. When I watch the run, I see a lot of atrocious aim at various times.

Brain_Explodes

10-20-2010, 02:22 PM

Tag to watch later at home. I think I watched your Dead Center Finale run. It is something, certainly taught me to leave the can next to the elevator for last.

Ti_sonabull

10-20-2010, 03:28 PM

Tag to watch later at home. I think I watched your Dead Center Finale run. It is something, certainly taught me to leave the can next to the elevator for last.

Cool hope you enjoy em. Yes that elevator can is a great weapon.

jonnyohio

10-21-2010, 10:16 AM

No cheats were used. If I have particularly good spin and aim onto cans or other things, it might be because I did that run a lot before it worked. Great hardware might help too. Lighting up those cans at specific times and spots was SOP. When I watch the run, I see a lot of atrocious aim at various times.

I would venture to guess you have a good gaming mouse :)

Ti_sonabull

10-21-2010, 11:23 AM

I would venture to guess you have a good gaming mouse :)

It's a great mouse, Razer DeathAdder 3500 DPI, on a Razer Destructor mousepad. It's actually almost too slippery, can be hard to maintain steady aim sometimes, but whipping around with it is a breeze. ;)

Slappy Jay

10-21-2010, 12:24 PM

And that is why the shotgun is referred to as the 'spam cannon'
xD

Ti_sonabull

10-21-2010, 12:39 PM

And that is why the shotgun is referred to as the 'spam cannon'
xD

Well I said sometimes hard to keep steady aim with such a slippery mouse, it can fly off the desk at times. But generally decent aim doesn't hurt even if you are packing the spam cannon.

n3ko

10-21-2010, 02:16 PM

It's a great mouse, Razer DeathAdder 3500 DPI, on a Razer Destructor mousepad. It's actually almost too slippery, can be hard to maintain steady aim sometimes, but whipping around with it is a breeze. ;)

if it's too slippery, then i guess it's hard surface? :)

since i got G9 Laser with Steelseries 4HD pad, it's like day and night against average cheap mouse. sniper rifle now is my favourite xD

Slappy Jay

10-21-2010, 04:15 PM

Well I said sometimes hard to keep steady aim with such a slippery mouse, it can fly off the desk at times. But generally decent aim doesn't hurt even if you are packing the spam cannon.

I wasn't saying anything about a slippery mouse, I mean I have that problem, I also had the my mouse didn't register thing. Apparently laser mice can't work too well with red on mousepads >>
So I flipped it over and it works nice :3

Anyway, I said the spam cannon thing because that's the gun I mainly saw you using xD

Personally my favorite choice of weapons, just not on expert lmfao

Ti_sonabull

10-21-2010, 06:38 PM

if it's too slippery, then i guess it's hard surface? :)
since i got G9 Laser with Steelseries 4HD pad, it's like day and night against average cheap mouse. sniper rifle now is my favourite xD

I heard about metal pads, don't know why I didn't want to use one, maybe I should think about that, maybe better grab. The Destructor mouse pad is really nice, but super slick like ice, and the DeathAdder mouse has Teflon pads or something. Sometimes I go to brush something off the desk and I touch it, and it shoots off the desk. I have a hard time navigating Windows with it?! Lucky that's my dedicated gaming rig :}. I do a lot of work on computers for work, and far prefer the standard, cheap Microsoft mouse for that :D.

I wasn't saying anything about a slippery mouse, I mean I have that problem, I also had the my mouse didn't register thing. Apparently laser mice can't work too well with red on mousepads >>
So I flipped it over and it works nice :3
Anyway, I said the spam cannon thing because that's the gun I mainly saw you using xD
Personally my favorite choice of weapons, just not on expert lmfao

Oh I see, yes it's weird! You pay big money for a mouse they try to make as slippery as they can, and it actually ends up less stable. My mouse is overall good for my game though. I think the mouse pad helps too, I suggest a one-color decent mouse pad rather than use one upside down, that sounds like a serious disadvantage!? But maybe you can spin that if a Versus game goes bad: "Hey fools, if my mouse pad were right side up you'd have been ♥♥♥♥ed up!" :D

SNPAL21

10-21-2010, 10:01 PM

Impressive, I can't do it w/ mods pretty much less solo.

n3ko

10-21-2010, 11:55 PM

I heard about metal pads, don't know why I didn't want to use one, maybe I should think about that, maybe better grab. The Destructor mouse pad is really nice, but super slick like ice, and the DeathAdder mouse has Teflon pads or something. Sometimes I go to brush something off the desk and I touch it, and it shoots off the desk. I have a hard time navigating Windows with it?! Lucky that's my dedicated gaming rig :}. I do a lot of work on computers for work, and far prefer the standard, cheap Microsoft mouse for that :D.
my G9 has some changeable pads too. and they are worn out already. it slides less but still much better then cheap mouse on cheap pad :) pads wear out faster on hard surfaces. duh! :D
and i just switch profiles and work in gfx programs with the same mouse.

I think the mouse pad helps too, I suggest a one-color decent mouse pad rather than use one upside down, that sounds like a serious disadvantage!?
pro gaming mouse on cheap pad is like ice skater in desert or something xD

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 06:29 AM

Impressive, I can't do it w/ mods pretty much less solo.

Thanks, glad you like them :)

my G9 has some changeable pads too. and they are worn out already. it slides less but still much better then cheap mouse on cheap pad :) pads wear out faster on hard surfaces. duh! :D
and i just switch profiles and work in gfx programs with the same mouse.

Maybe that's an advantage of the Destructor mouse pad, it's a hard pad, but not like metal, and super slippery. Might not wear out the pads as quickly. Hard for me to judge, I upgraded a few months ago to 3500 DPI, with new pads.

pro gaming mouse on cheap pad is like ice skater in desert or something xD

They should put that in a fortune cookie :D

wuped

10-22-2010, 06:34 AM

Zora-Link

10-22-2010, 06:51 AM

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 07:50 AM

Now do it with just a medkit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoY3xLyQXcY , actually that would be a good challenge with fatigue. Also collecting items ahead of time seems like cheating it's ok to one map at a time but I'd do each one as a fresh start.

First, I don't see the finale with medkit. Secondly, as I have said earlier in response to much complaining in this thread about collecting items in advance:

"As I mentioned up front in my OP and was heavily criticized for in this thread, in many of my runs (not all), I collected items from earlier maps with bots. When I started this, I had no intention of doing them all, it was a one-map-at-a-time endeavor, modeled off some other guys online who were doing that starting with bile and a shot. But maybe 1/3 of my maps do not start like that, more than just map 1 of each campaign. E .g., Plantation, no bile, but yes, a shot. Return to Town, started naked. Other maps too, like Bridge and Mill Escape, or Park, no bile, but a pipe [collected in the Park safe room before closing the door]. I would do them all the pure way R-E if I started again now, just as I did them all pure on easy aeons ago. But I should get back to my unopened stack of catch-up games after several years of school with no gaming."

All that showed me was that pushing fatigue was the best thing to happen to L4D. :(

So true.

Scars Tropics

10-22-2010, 09:21 AM

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 10:03 AM

While the medkit run is high level stuff, its not nearly as impressive as what tisonbull has already accomplished.

Thanks Scars, the sentiment is appreciated.

Scars Tropics

10-22-2010, 10:42 AM

Thanks Scars, the sentiment is appreciated.

If people attack and critique you just remember, it means you are doing something worth critisizing (sp?). 3 things are guranteed in life: death, taxes and haters

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 11:30 AM

If people attack and critique you just remember, it means you are doing something worth critisizing (sp?). 3 things are guranteed in life: death, taxes and haters

I'm gonna remember that :D

Zora-Link

10-22-2010, 11:59 AM

Kinkade!

10-22-2010, 12:09 PM

If people attack and critique you just remember, it means you are doing something worth critisizing (sp?). 3 things are guranteed in life: death, taxes and haters

Well thats not strictly true is it.

Hitler had a lot of critics :)

Scars Tropics

10-22-2010, 12:32 PM

Well thats not strictly true is it.

Hitler had a lot of critics :)

I KNEW someone would use a counterpoint involving hitler or racism or ♥♥♥♥ or some other such 'extreme' belief. Actually, its a counter argument being predicated that what hitler did was wrong. There is no such thing as right or wrong, it about who has the bigger gun. I personally don't agree with hitlers actions. Just saying, the ♥♥♥♥♥ would have 'right' if they won, whether I agree or not.

n3ko

10-22-2010, 01:26 PM

They should put that in a fortune cookie :D

lol that would be great xD

Voyager II

10-22-2010, 01:31 PM

so how many times have you retried on each map?

7-8?

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 01:34 PM

Ti, how do you edit these? Do you just record them again and again until you get that run that you make it through and then edit out all the fails? Seems like a lot of watching o_O I'd like to record me running No Mercy just for some friends cus they don't believe that I do it :p

No Mercy solo sounds great, good work! I'm not on my gaming computer right now so I don't have the console commands handy, but basically, I bound a key to start recording a demo file called something generic with the game engine, and another key to stop recording it. When a run failed, I would stop recording as Nick expired, then start recording again (overwriting the generic demo file) before leaving the safe room for another run. That way the demo file didn't get too big. Once I succeeded, I'd stop recording, close the game, rename and back up the demo file, then load the game and record the demo playback into a video using FRAPs. That took several tries before one was not too laggy (FRAPs lags my system, maybe it's the 60 fps and full 5.1 sound, with lossless video I set it to), and then compressed and processed that video. One version was for me (5.1 surround with lossless video), and one for YouTube, converted to stereo and compressed video, with sped up setup parts to get under the time limit of 10 minutes 59 seconds for accounts created when mine was. Good luck!

I KNEW someone would use a counterpoint involving hitler or racism or ♥♥♥♥ or some other such 'extreme' belief. Actually, its a counter argument being predicated that what hitler did was wrong. There is no such thing as right or wrong, it about who has the bigger gun. I personally don't agree with hitlers actions. Just saying, the ♥♥♥♥♥ would have 'right' if they won, whether I agree or not.

Politics aside, I think you stated a truism: death, taxes and haters

so how many times have you retried on each map?
7-8?

Some of them, first try, or first couple tries. Others, like Concert, took a few hundred over several weeks, developing every part of the run until eventually it worked.

Voyager II

10-22-2010, 01:38 PM

Some of them, first try, or first couple tries. Others, like Concert, took a few hundred over several weeks, developing every part of the run until eventually it worked.

Thank god.

Honestly, I refuse to believe you have not restarted at least once due to teleporting jockeys, super-rooftop-corner smokers, instant-claw hunters/chargers, extendo boomers, and natascha common infected.

si bots are dumb as hell, but they're still pretty good at consistently pulling unbelievable bull♥♥♥♥.

/hat off

Zora-Link

10-22-2010, 01:41 PM

No Mercy solo sounds great, good work! I'm not on my gaming computer right now so I don't have the console commands handy, but basically, I bound a key to start recording a demo file called something generic with the game engine, and another key to stop recording it. When a run failed, I would stop recording as Nick expired, then start recording again (overwriting the generic demo file) before leaving the safe room for another run. That way the demo file didn't get too big. Once I succeeded, I'd stop recording, close the game, rename and back up the demo file, then load the game and record the demo playback into a video using FRAPs. That took several tries before one was not too laggy (FRAPs lags my system, maybe it's the 60 fps and full 5.1 sound, with lossless video I set it to), and then compressed and processed that video. One version was for me (5.1 surround with lossless video), and one for YouTube, converted to stereo and compressed video, with sped up setup parts to get under the time limit of 10 minutes 59 seconds for accounts created when mine was. Good luck!

Awesome, thanks. :)

Where does it save it to? (Yeah, yeah, I could find it, but I figured I'd ask) And I assume just stopping it allows you to find it again, since I'm planning on just doing a solid runthrough. Though the elevator crescendo (Map 4) and the finale still give me a LOT of trouble, so I might have to stop at one of them before I finish.

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 01:42 PM

Thank god.
Honestly, I refuse to believe you have not restarted at least once due to teleporting jockeys, super-rooftop-corner smokers, instant-claw hunters/chargers, extendo boomers, and natascha common infected.
si bots are dumb as hell, but they're still pretty good at consistently pulling unbelievable bull♥♥♥♥.

/hat off

Thanks man :) Only the worst couple maps took that many times to develop. A lot of the Concert time was figuring out how to run it. There aren't a lot of ways Concert can be a doable run. I tried some crazy strategies before finally fine tuning the gas can placement and timing you see. Replicating that run should not take nearly that much time, if I ever wanted to, which I don't :)

Ti_sonabull

10-22-2010, 01:48 PM

Awesome, thanks. :)

Where does it save it to? (Yeah, yeah, I could find it, but I figured I'd ask) And I assume just stopping it allows you to find it again, since I'm planning on just doing a solid runthrough. Though the elevator crescendo (Map 4) and the finale still give me a LOT of trouble, so I might have to stop at one of them before I finish.

LOL no worries. I'm on my laptop and do not have the folder structure handy. But I think it's something like \steam\steamapps\common\Left 4 Dead 2\Left4Dead2. The main reason I close the game after succeeding and rename the file is paranoia that I'll hit that bound key and overwrite it. I don't think you have to do that. Also, if you do not stop it, I think it records the next map each time with a suffix appended to the filename. I just didn't want to take any chances.
EDIT: Guess I recorded a lot of demos, that was the exact path, checked today. Demo files end in .DEM. Good luck with your solo runs!

Zora-Link

10-24-2010, 11:29 AM

LOL no worries. I'm on my laptop and do not have the folder structure handy. But I think it's something like \steam\steamapps\common\Left 4 Dead 2\Left4Dead2. The main reason I close the game after succeeding and rename the file is paranoia that I'll hit that bound key and overwrite it. I don't think you have to do that. Also, if you do not stop it, I think it records the next map each time with a suffix appended to the filename. I just didn't want to take any chances.
EDIT: Guess I recorded a lot of demos, that was the exact path, checked today. Demo files end in .DEM. Good luck with your solo runs!

Nice, thanks again. Another quick question, you ever find a solution to that weird jumpiness in the demo it records? It's pretty annoying.

Ti_sonabull

01-24-2011, 07:31 AM

Nice, thanks again. Another quick question, you ever find a solution to that weird jumpiness in the demo it records? It's pretty annoying.

Yeah that is weird, I even put a note about it on my title screens, no lag in-game, but lag in the demo. I don't think I got that in my campaign easy series, just the Realism Expert series. Might be the Realism server trying to connect to something during the demo playback? Dunno. I had other lag too, due to recording FRAPs at such high quality for myself, 60 fps lossless video and 5.1 surround sound (epic on the giant screen TV :)), before compressing video and converting to stereo for YouTube later. There was sometimes a big lurch when FRAPs wrote a new 4 GB chunk. Partial solution I found was to let it run through, delete the video files and do it again, then again. Maybe Windows helped it go smoother once it could predict what was going on. But I just accepted a couple moderate lurches and some lag in long videos.

Ti_sonabull

06-08-2011, 04:24 AM

I like your idea Zora, bumpedy bump.

Gunpriest

07-26-2011, 04:46 AM

This is absolutely incredible. Kudos to you!

Ti_sonabull

07-28-2011, 06:43 AM

This is absolutely incredible. Kudos to you!

Thanks dude, and for subbing, glad you enjoyed them =}

hedberg

07-28-2011, 09:08 AM

they are unwatchable on youtube, its shuttering like crazy, not really lowfps but unwatchable :(

Ti_sonabull

07-31-2011, 07:28 AM

they are unwatchable on youtube, its shuttering like crazy, not really lowfps but unwatchable :(

A couple are like that, but I think most are not so bad.

The issue was with replaying a demo recorded on a local Realism server. You didn't get stuttering if you used command line option to play a map with /realism, but I'm not convinced the latter really is realism. Why? Because you have to then trick the demo playback by first starting a realism server, to play it back looking like realism, otherwise it is shown to be non-realism with that approach. I've also seen way more items using /realism. So, I prefer to play on a true realism server, and hence a little stuttering, but not all maps are as bad as others.

Ti_sonabull

09-25-2011, 05:11 AM

UPDATE: Finally beat Port.

The Passing Finale: Port
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioQO6Egl5s

Previous maps were done one at a time, and for SOME (not all) I collected items from earlier maps with bots. But in some maps I just grabbed items in the safe room before starting the demo. Going forward, I will not do this. In Port, I start with nothing, since I had nothing coming out of Underground. In Port, I decided not to kick Zoey and company. They are part of the map, like gun turrets, and their support is nothing like a full bot, although invaluable. They are NPCs, not bots, and the map is over-compensated for them. Port is the hardest map to solo even with its NPCs which are part of the map. I say this after soloing ALL Left4Dead 2 maps in the game: Port was the worst.

Why is the playback a bit laggy? Because I played on a local Realism server and L4D2 has trouble playing that demo back smoothly. Using /realism at the console may make a demo that plays back smoother, but I heard you have to trick the playback to look like realism, so I wonder if it really is realism (tougher CI, fewer items) or just minus the outlines. Realism server demo plays back looking like realism, period.

Hope you enjoy the show!

the_pie_dude

09-25-2011, 06:07 AM

John sounds like cali right now

oh wait.... all this time.. hes been under our noses

Ti_sonabull

11-11-2011, 03:28 PM

I prefer not to focus on trolls, but on the positives, such as? Finally beat Port :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioQO6Egl5s

Okami Amaterasu

11-11-2011, 03:29 PM

Cool, that's good to hear. Congratulations.

Ti_sonabull

11-19-2011, 08:17 AM

Cool, that's good to hear. Congratulations.

Thank you my man! Twas a brutal map to solo.

I guess it's time to pick up another game if I can just convince myself to put down L4D2.

Chaos-

11-19-2011, 09:30 AM

Thank you my man! Twas a brutal map to solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioQO6Egl5s

I guess it's time to pick up another game if I can just convince myself to put down L4D2.

http://www.youtube.com/user/titsonabullsteam

Wait.... You beat the Port in September, yet you've bumped your thread for it three times, for which you were like "Woo finally beat Port!" in.

And honestly, was there any reason at all to bump two of your threads?

Seems like you're pointlessly trying to grab as much attention for your ancient videos as you can. It would be fine if you actually did something new, but no, it's the same old thing.

Ti_sonabull

11-19-2011, 09:37 AM

Wait.... You beat the Port in September, yet you've bumped your thread for it three times, for which you were like "Woo finally beat Port!" in.

And honestly, was there any reason at all to bump two of your threads?

Seems like you're pointlessly trying to grab as much attention for your ancient videos as you can. It would be fine if you actually did something new, but no, it's the same old thing.

Honestly, is it any of your business? But I'll answer you. First, BOTH were response to comments by someone else, in sequence. Since when is a response to a comment in my own thread a bump? I did not delete my past response and repost a new one in its place, I took my time replying is all. Should I not respond to someone else posting in my thread, boss? If you don't like this thread, there are other threads for you.

Chaos-

11-19-2011, 09:49 AM

Honestly, is it any of your business? But I'll answer you. First, BOTH were response to comments by someone else, in sequence. Since when is a response to a comment in my own thread a bump? I did not delete my past response and repost a new one in its place, I took my time replying is all. Should I not respond to someone else posting in my thread, boss? If you don't like this thread, there are other threads for you.

It's my business if I make it mine. Sure, they were both responses to other people, but they're several days late. By then, I'm sure the people who posted have lost interest and forgotten about what they posted.

I'm just wondering what the point is in you "finally beating port" two months after you did.

And when did I ever mention deleting your past response and reposting?

Ti_sonabull

11-19-2011, 09:56 AM

It's my business if I make it mine. Sure, they were both responses to other people, but they're several days late. By then, I'm sure the people who posted have lost interest and forgotten about what they posted.

I'm just wondering what the point is in you "finally beating port" two months after you did.

It was a reply to a post about another troll (just like you). I said I prefer to focus on the positives, such as? The most was Port. But I reiterate, this is none of your business, and if you want to “make it your business”, that is simply a personal attack. Go find another thread rather than trying to ruin this one, or is being a troll all you have to offer.

Chaos-

11-19-2011, 10:09 AM

It was a reply to a post about another troll (just like you). I said I prefer to focus on the positives, such as? The most was Port. But I reiterate, this is none of your business, and if you want to “make it your business”, that is simply a personal attack. Go find another thread rather than trying to ruin this one, or is being a troll all you have to offer.

This is a public forum, you know? If you didn't want people to make it their business, you should have kept it to yourself. It's not a "personal attack," as you put it.

Besides, you've already done a pretty good job of ruining the thread yourself. Instead of answering my question, you accuse me of being a troll. Also, you conveniently left out the delete and repost I never mentioned. So I ask you this in return, is being a troll all YOU have to offer?

Ti_sonabull

11-19-2011, 10:24 AM

This is a public forum, you know? If you didn't want people to make it their business, you should have kept it to yourself. It's not a "personal attack," as you put it.

Besides, you've already done a pretty good job of ruining the thread yourself. Instead of answering my question, you accuse me of being a troll. Also, you conveniently left out the delete and repost I never mentioned. So I ask you this in return, is being a troll all YOU have to offer?

Read above and see the time stamp. It still says delete and repost. I did not remove that in my edit. I am not trolling my own tread, you are trolling this thread and trying to start a flame war. Despite that, I have responded to your questions/accusations and explained that I simply responded to comments in my thread, on a schedule you don't like apparently.

You don't like it, find another thread.

Chaos-

11-19-2011, 10:35 AM

Read above and see the time stamp. It still says delete and repost. I did not remove that in my edit. I am not trolling my own tread, you are trolling this thread and trying to start a flame war. Despite that, I have responded to your questions/accusations and explained that I simply responded to comments in my thread, on a schedule you don't like apparently.

You don't like it, find another thread.

I didn't say you edited it out, you simply left it out of quoting my post and neglected to address it at all. In fact, you seem to not be addressing much of anything I respond with. You just call me a troll and try to push me aside.

And why would I want to start a flame war? I just asked a few simple questions, and then you turn it into a mess and tell me to "go find another thread," which you've done in every one of your responses so far.

Ti_sonabull

11-19-2011, 10:49 AM

I didn't say you edited it out, you simply left it out of quoting my post and neglected to address it at all. In fact, you seem to not be addressing much of anything I respond with. You just call me a troll and try to push me aside. And why would I want to start a flame war? I just asked a few simple questions, and then you turn it into a mess and tell me to "go find another thread," which you've done in every one of your responses so far.

Okay, despite your trolling tone, I thought I did answer your questions. Let me try again.

I usually crop out parts of the quote that are not relevant to my reply, like many do. But to answer it, no you did not say I deleted my post, but I had thought that was implied since why else would you complain and call it a bump when I was responding to my own thread?!

Sept 25 bump: UPDATE: Finally beat Port.

Sept 25 reply: Comment focusing on a troll from earlier in the thread and mention of Calidude.

I did not fully understand the comment, so I ignored it, but it bothered me that the last post in my thread was a negative one.

Nov 11:
I finally heard about Calidude, and finally understood the comment. So I answered it, to make the last comment in my thread a non-negative one, mention the positives, and most recent of which was Port. Yes I added the link, but again, I just replied to a comment in my own thread.

Nov 11: Reply with a compliment from someone else.

Nov 18 (one week later): I thanked him. Yes, in that thanking, I put the links in again. Overkill? Probably. [Edit: agreed on that post, and links removed]

Wrt advertising, I do have a YouTube account with monetization, but none of my L4D2 videos have the Ad Sense ads on them. I am not trying to make money, just trying to share my love of this game and the incredible journey I had. As I sense people are tiring of it, I will ease off going forward, but I will respond to my own threads, since this is a forum.

Edit: And on this topic, there are threads where the explanation is not as clear. Delete/repost to get free invisible bumps is being done in those threads as recently as today, a very big thread:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=26477664&posted=1#post26477664

Moderators, I suggest you remove the delete post button to stop this practice.