Widescreen fixer + VAC ban in Black Ops?

[RubNTizZugs]

Title of thread sums it up. In MW2 I was informed by a forum moderator that using http://www.widescreenfixer.org/ will result in a VAC ban if used in MP. Is this also the case with Black Ops?

[Nekomancer]

Ask the developer.

[RubNTizZugs]

Ask the developer.

Ok, any more helpful comments? Troll much?

VAC is a Steam property and for any support concerning it you will be directed from any developer forum to these forums so that you can ask the people that develop VAC, not the title in question.

This is a VAC question being posted in the VAC discussion so please troll elsewhere. Thanks for the bump though.

[ASecondOpinion]

Not a troll. More a "Black Ops has been out for a week, less than. We don't know, you'd have to ask the dev".

[RubNTizZugs]

Not a troll. More a "Black Ops has been out for a week, less than. We don't know, you'd have to ask the dev".

And when you do ask the developer you will get the same runaround, go ask VAC. This application alters a .dll file and in the case of MW2 I was informed that this would surely lead to a VAC ban, not on IW forums but here, by a forum moderator as this is a VAC related concern not a BlackOps related problem. Treyarch does not support VAC, Valve does.

[Xenofreak]

If it is altering the game's dll it will most likely result in a ban.

[Gone'Postal]

And when you do ask the developer you will get the same runaround, go ask VAC. This application alters a .dll file and in the case of MW2 I was informed that this would surely lead to a VAC ban, not on IW forums but here, by a forum moderator as this is a VAC related concern not a BlackOps related problem. Treyarch does not support VAC, Valve does.

If it alters .exe or .dll it should cause a ban.

MW2 was diffrent for many reasons so you could get a 100% answer, I doubt you will get one for Black Ops.

Even if you use it and get banned you could not say it was that for sure.


Question, Why does a game thats been out for less then a week need a widescreen fix anyway?

[RubNTizZugs]

Question, Why does a game thats been out for less then a week need a widescreen fix anyway?


I am using an Eyefinity setup, and it seems as if native support for it is not included with this game. Using Widescreen fixer supposedly corrects the aspect ratio in 3 screen setups, however I am nervous to try it should it lead to getting a VAC ban. Thanks for your response.

[polka]

Title of thread sums it up. In MW2 I was informed by a forum moderator that using http://www.widescreenfixer.org/ will result in a VAC ban if used in MP. Is this also the case with Black Ops?

completely depends on how the developers decided to implement vac.

example:
in valve games you can use skins/dl mods and its fine.


in 3rd party games like mW2, skins/mods can give you a vac ban.


so it depends on whats allowed by the developers.

[ester25]

And when you do ask the developer you will get the same runaround, go ask VAC. ... as this is a VAC related concern not a BlackOps related problem. Treyarch does not support VAC, Valve does.

This is a VAC community forum, devs dont post here. However if you do ask the devs (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1223-QROC-4460), they will not telly you, they do not release information on third party programs.
Also VAC enforces the rules, the game developer is the one that sets them, so asking Treyarch is the way to get the right answer.

[Gone'Postal]

I am using an Eyefinity setup, and it seems as if native support for it is not included with this game. Using Widescreen fixer supposedly corrects the aspect ratio in 3 screen setups, however I am nervous to try it should it lead to getting a VAC ban. Thanks for your response.



Thank you as well, for answering the quesiton. I would have assumed that the game supported stuff like that tbh.

+rep and thanks for the info.

[RubNTizZugs]

This is a VAC community forum, devs dont post here. However if you do ask the devs (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1223-QROC-4460), they will not telly you, they do not release information on third party programs.
Also VAC enforces the rules, the game developer is the one that sets them, so asking Treyarch is the way to get the right answer.

Thank you I submitted a query and am waiting for a response.

[RubNTizZugs]

"Hello Sucker, Thank you for contacting Steam Support. We do not provide analysis of third party software for VAC compliance. Any third party software you use in conjunction with Steam should be done at your own discretion. Only cheats (modifications designed to give one player an advantage over other players) will trigger a VAC ban. If you have questions about a specific third party application, please contact the developer of the application for assistance. For more information on the VAC System, please see this article: Title: Valve Anti-Cheat System (VAC) URL: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869 If you have any further questions, please let us know."

-reply from Valve support

So that leaves me... where I started! Treyarch's response will be the same I received from IW when dealing with this issue in MW2, which was along the lines of, " If you have questions about a specific third party application, please contact the developer of the application for assistance."

Before BlackOps launched any info I could find was that it would in fact support surround gaming. Stupidly I pre-purchased on my main Steam account. Next time I will use an alternate account as it seems that nobody has an answer for me.

For anyone interested it seems that people are in fact using the fixer with BlackOps, though it has only been <1 week since launch and with the delay on VAC bans it cannot be confirmed by the Widescreen Fixer community if it will result in a ban at this time, or not. Simply put it's "use at your own risk."

Thanks for any replies to this thread you've all been much help.

[pizzahut]

This WGF moderator says no one has been banned so far, but it might happen in the future.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=203076#p203076

[ester25]

"Hello Sucker, Thank you for contacting Steam Support. We do not provide analysis of third party software for VAC compliance. Any third party software you use in conjunction with Steam should be done at your own discretion."

well, not much surprise there:

However if you do ask the devs (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1223-QROC-4460), they will not telly you, they do not release information on third party programs.

You still have the option of contacting the developer of the fix program for information.

[THE Nakedgun]

Is this for Eyefinity?

[RubNTizZugs]

Is this for Eyefinity?

Yes, or NV surround

[OmegaXtreme420]

i used the widescreen fixer for months and months on mw2 it won't get you banned and others I know were using it long before I had

[richei]

I thought i read somewhere that BO was supposed to have eyefinity support built in.

[RubNTizZugs]

I thought i read somewhere that BO was supposed to have eyefinity support built in.

Same as well but it turns out not to be the case.

[Wertoret]

Hello Sucker
Sucker...?

[DonkyBoY]

Lol I always have played on triple screens ever scince Call of duty 4 and never have I recived a ban from VAC for the widescreen fixer found here http://www.widescreenfixer.org/

If the Devs were to do their jobs properly then gamers wouldn't have to resort to coding their own 3rd party apps to configure their current game to play on current hardware

so why should we be banned due to their incompetence answer = we do not get banned at all

and this proves it i am playing black ops as i post this and i have around 500hours in game with no ban

still playing with no bann from VAC seems kinda mute this thread now but i still want a definite answer from someone about weather it is actually allowed or not if the answr was no i would stop using it as i donot want a bann i belive this tobe what the thread is/was about plain and simple gamers want answers and we are having great difficulty finding them no one in the know want s to comment

[PhamousVegas]

Seems to only ban some people... though the way the program works it does seem to me like VAC SHOULD ban for it. Quite odd.

Sucker...?

He was clearly either A) Joking B) Censoring his name or C) Both.

[Gone'Postal]

If the Devs were to do their jobs properly then gamers wouldn't have to resort to coding their own 3rd party apps to configure their current game to play on current hardware



If the players just played the game that the developers made, you wouldn't have to either.

If you think the developers missed something out or didn't do their job properly then step up and make your own game rather then insulting others.

Using a tool to fix something you think the developers missed out isn't an excuse to use it.

I can understand it from a older game (98\XP era)to make it work on a modern OS.

[Amander]

Don't use anything which messes with the game. Period.

[Glowhyena]

Not a troll.
Because he wrote a short sentence. I would sorry if I was wrong.

[NTAuthority]

Also, a highly increased field of view *does* give an unfair advantage.

[Sho Minamimoto]

Also, a highly increased field of view *does* give an unfair advantage.

...No, that's not what we're talking about.

[Wertoret]

If you think the developers missed something out or didn't do their job properly then step up and make your own game rather then on a modern OS.
This argument has a logic flaw

[Gone'Postal]

Wertoret:

I've edited this post as I now know it's not what you meant to do.

Phones can be annoying at times :(.

[Wertoret]

You mean that part were you removed half of my post so it's not even a complete sentence or that part where it now makes no sense even in English?



Look, I can do it to.

Sorry im posting from an android phone andthetext select is horrible.

About your post: I don't need to make my own game to know what I like in games or not, we can critize devs for missing functionality because:
1. We are what the developement decisions are aimed at.
2. Devs are not perfect and they make mistakes too, not because they know how to develop gamea means they're always right.

So I find it reasonable to rant about not adding functionality to the game AND restricting the options for the users with an anticheat software that aims to things other than cheats

[Gone'Postal]

Sorry im posting from an android phone andthetext select is horrible.

I know the feeling :)



About your post: I don't need to make my own game to know what I like in games or not, we can critize devs for missing functionality because:

1. We are what the developement decisions are aimed at.
2. Devs are not perfect and they make mistakes too, not because they know how to develop gamea means they're always right.

1. Yes we are, does that mean the players should tell the developers what functionality and options a game they are making should contain? or should it be up to the people who make it?

2. I didn't know it was the players job to fix a mistake (if it a mistake) that the developers did?

Let me ask you a question:

What functionality is MW2 missing that the developers not the players say is missing?



So I find it reasonable to rant about not adding functionality to the game AND restricting the options for the users with an anticheat software that aims to things other than cheats

If that's what the developers want, that's what they get, if you want it different, make your own game and make the rules as you see fit.

They are also not restricting options from the stock game, they are restricting options that the players have added and think is missing.

[PhamousVegas]

It isn't that the developers are intentionally banning for things that aren't cheats, it's that these things modify the game similar to a cheat... and VAC picks up on it.

The reason you don't get banned in games like CS:S for it is because you change FOV with the console(and I believe it is in the settings as well?) so you don't need external programs that write game memory...

[Majesty of War]

But you can change the FOV in black ops. The issue is users wanting to use hardware setups that aren't officially supported in a multiplayer game. If it's not an available option in the game and you have to circumvent and create it yourself expect to be detected by software for modified content. Doing things like this while playing against other players regardless of how little of an advantage it gives you is still cheating plain and simple.

[PhamousVegas]

But you can change the FOV in black ops.
Yes, from 65 to 80. Whoop-di-do.
You can't change the FOV high enough for the Widescreen/Multi Monitor Setups to look right...


The issue is users wanting to use hardware setups that aren't officially supported in a multiplayer game.
Meh, don't really care to be honest... I was just stating why people get banned for non-cheat programs, couldn't care less why they used it in the first place.


Doing things like this while playing against other players regardless of how little of an advantage it gives you is still cheating plain and simple.
I see no advantage what-so-ever...
In my eyes changing the FOV is just as much of an advantage of having max settings with everyone else using low. Unless I'm just not seeing something that is.
To an extent at least, the FOV Exploits that let you see in a 360 view around your corpse when you died and similar 'sploits are a different story... I WOULD consider those cheating, and quite ironically they DIDN'T cause VAC bans.
They WERE patched though to my knowledge.

[Falkentyne]

If OTHER people can't change it without using a third party application, and *YOU* can, then it's cheating.. Stop trying to gain an unfair advantage against other players.

I shouldn't have to die to some teenage scrub who can see 25% more of the screen than I can, thanks to his ability to download hacks...

[Amander]

It doesn't have to be about unfair advantage. Altering core game files or using anything which hooks the game can very well be used for cheating, hence the VAC ban.

[DonkyBoY]

Also, a highly increased field of view *does* give an unfair advantage.

Sure the increased FOV does give you a nice advantage but the widescreenfixer isnt providing the extra FOV the game actualy supports running it at 4800 x 1200 the support for the extra screens comes from the VGA drivers them selfs be it Nvidia surround or Ati Eyefinity both support making multi monitors appear as 1 screen making it possible to run your games spread across the entire desktop space

All the widescreen fixer is doing is correcting the games aspect ratio as the developers are incompetant and neglected to properly support today hardware

this isnt a new thing most of us have been doing this kind of thing scince the nvidia 6600gt if your to tight to buy your self 3 screens and setyour hardware up to use 3 screens correctly thats your problem not mine why should i be penalised cos i did

if your saying it should generate a ban based on the extra viewable FOV then i want to see players with widescreens banned aswell as that allows then to see more than a 4:3 ratio now do you see how stupid your being get a grip and upgrade you hardware to something from this decade and stop trying to hold back those of us that are smart enuff to buy and correctly use the tools provided by the hardware manufactures its called evolving

[DonkyBoY]

But you can change the FOV in black ops. The issue is users wanting to use hardware setups that aren't officially supported in a multi player game. If it's not an available option in the game and you have to circumvent and create it yourself expect to be detected by software for modified content. Doing things like this while playing against other players regardless of how little of an advantage it gives you is still cheating plain and simple.

how stupid do you feel the game say's it supports Ati Eyefinity and Nvidia 3D Surround but ias i have already stated the dev's are incompetent and have failed to properly support it correctly

what i want to see happen is the Devs fix this problem and we will no longer need to use any 3rd party apps to correct an obvious flaw in the game but untill then we have to due to thier incompetance

it is circumventing a flaw not adding something we didnt have your inability to perform any research before posting on a topic you obviously have no knowledge just goes to show how much of an idiot you are and why should any one listen to anything you have to say

[DonkyBoY]

If the players just played the game that the developers made, you wouldn't have to either.

If you think the developers missed something out or didn't do their job properly then step up and make your own game rather then insulting others.

Using a tool to fix something you think the developers missed out isn't an excuse to use it.

I can understand it from a older game (98\XP era)to make it work on a modern OS.


Why not insult the tards they have been making the same mistakes scince cod4 nothing has changed they are incompetant they say the game has multi monitor suport but the aspect ratio is incorrect at these massive resolutions why the hell cant they learn from their mistakes father than keep pumping out the same broken crap time and time again

if they was to fix the problem with thier game we wouldnt have to fix it for them

considering that the last 8 generations of vga cards from nvidia have suported multihead gaming dont you think that the devs should pull thier thumbs from thier ♥♥♥'s and fix thier rubish

yes you have been able to game on multi screens scince windows XP thats over 10years old now

[Doni]

You realize this thread's a month old, right?