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Mrtknoob
11-18-2010, 06:33 PM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

cradchaw
11-18-2010, 07:07 PM
I was surprised to see this on steam-- I bought the original game and played for no more than 5 hours. Just couldn't get into and the servers were dead.

Benjamin Breeg
11-18-2010, 09:49 PM
been playing since release 4 years ago, and the servers are definitely not dead.

BTW, troll OP

Keyelite
11-18-2010, 10:22 PM
I'll buy it.

In fact, I've been waiting for it for since it was announced way back when.

Also it's releasing on my birthday so that's pretty much awesome

Nutlink
11-18-2010, 11:35 PM
Definitely buying it. I'm getting sick of having to deal with games like Call of Duty for my FPS fix (ArmA doesn't count). Bring back the realistic and tactical games!

simonjames1975
11-19-2010, 01:58 AM
I missed the original RO (not quite sure how that happened,) I'm very interested in this new one though. I've just been watching some youtube vids of the old one and it looked quite good.

I'm a die hard BF fan, BC2 has not held me like the earlier ones in the series did, so I'm looking for a new MP FPS. Black Ops is a big NO, I'm still jarateed at Activision over MW2. MoH....er...lol.

So I've got my eye in for this one. I'll be waiting for reviews, blogs and you lovely people to comment before I buy though.

MDrm
11-19-2010, 04:11 AM
Getting it. Not sure where the graphics are not cutting edge, they're one of the best graphics I've seen in a PC title for a while.

NympH
11-19-2010, 06:23 AM
Graphics is not everything, gameplay is.

I'll play RO over ANY other game because of the awesome gameplay.
Servers are anything but dead, i have a hard time joining them because they are always full.

Vakka
11-19-2010, 08:24 AM
I'm missing the pre-purchase button.

SIFU
11-19-2010, 08:56 AM
Been waiting for this Gem,for awhile now,been following it on the websight,a must buy 4 me:D

really liked the first,mostly the infantry parts where my fav,as i was one of those dudes that sucked useing a tank(couldnt dial in the destance,so me shelles bounces,have sence read manual:D

only thing that bugged me was some of the shooting was off on some guns,i hate hipfireing but it got kills waaay easier,on some guns,im ashured that this will be better.

cant wait:D

Crutchley29
11-19-2010, 12:34 PM
Getting it. Not sure where the graphics are not cutting edge, they're one of the best graphics I've seen in a PC title for a while.

Its unreal engine 3. You dont play many games do you?

Reksel
11-19-2010, 01:43 PM
Black Ops is a big NO, I'm still jarateed at Activision over MW2. MoH....er...lol.
Treyarch is behind BO. Not Activision. BO uses the enhanced WaW engine. They can't be compared. Even through it is still a CoD franchise. MW2 is ♥♥♥♥ compared to BO


So I've got my eye in for this one. I'll be waiting for reviews, blogs and you lovely people to comment before I buy though.

How are you so sure this game doesn't suck like many other FPS games out there? - Seriously, we've all been dissapointed like usual. Why have great hopes for this one then? Many are going to be "OH ♥♥♥♥, BO IS GREATER THAN RO" and others will be like "♥♥♥♥ BO, RO is all about tactics"
- Tactics, tactics, tactics... My ♥♥♥. The only reason people wants tactics are because they want to have a free camping game with no cheats, etc. That's why the are so overhyped over a game, and it's still gonna suck anyway, because people don't know how to play anyway.

Leo4444
11-19-2010, 03:33 PM
Yes people will play this because tripwire has gained many loyal fans because of their continued free support for their games and free added content. I will pre-order as soon as they make it available because RO is the best ww2 fps I played and I have played a lot. Why is it being even compared to arcady shooters like BO and BC2? Its a completly different game not that arcady shooters are bad just doesn't compare.

Deathless2288
11-19-2010, 03:56 PM
Definitely buying it. Collecting all games from Tripwire and Valve.

Kewp
11-20-2010, 02:28 AM
i'll be getting it,

no hesitations what so ever

Tripwire ftw

hauca
11-20-2010, 06:06 AM
i want to see your opinion, how much do you think it will cost?

rrp_
11-20-2010, 07:33 AM
I think £20-£30 pounds, maybe be more if they determine that the single player campaign can justify a larger price margin.
I'll be buying it after a test on my friends account or a demo/free weekend to determine if my hardware can run it. If there was mac support or i had a better pc, i'd be buying from day one.

LATTEH
11-20-2010, 08:37 AM
lol its using the latest Unreal engine (lightmass FTW!!!)


if you want to see what the graphics will look like for RO2 just download the UDK

glassypool
11-20-2010, 09:14 AM
Day 1 purchase, not matter what

wazups 2x
11-20-2010, 12:23 PM
I will definitely be buying it. Three of my friends will also be buying it.

TherapyFailed
11-20-2010, 01:59 PM
For me it comes down to pricing. After playing RO for around 10h i found it quite interesting, but there are so many games i needed to play that i never got into it.

So if the price is attractive (and fair in EU) i don't see many reasons not to buy this game. If its not...well its not like i don't have CSS,TF2,BC2 and like 100 other games to play with friends.

louis0415
11-20-2010, 02:02 PM
I might be purchasing it, depending on how "tactical" the gameplay is. I've recently played the Project Reality mod for BF2, and I loved it, so if it's anything like that, I might consider.

Atomic Hamster
11-20-2010, 02:35 PM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

I really hope people who play TF2 do not buy and play this as they will ruin it. Totally different games and good graphics do not make a good game. Actually though the graphics look great and I still play RO so will get this in a flash.

ebevan91
11-20-2010, 03:55 PM
I have never played the RO series and I may buy this. I've been keeping up with this one.

I wish there was a demo for RO: Ostfront 41-45, I could at least get an idea of what it will be like.

Aetius
11-20-2010, 05:37 PM
This will be one of those rare games i buy at full price - and pre-purchase if we have the option. It looks much better than RO1 in every way. This is my most anticipated game for 2011.

Also, just because RO1 was never that popular and only now has a smallish community does not mean that RO2 will suffer the same fate. RO1 is more of a mod, which you can sort of tell from its lack of polish (however, it is a very advanced mod :P). RO2 looks like it will feel like a brand new game, not just a mod. I think RO2 will have a much wider appeal with its single player story, awesome graphics and numerous features. The graphics and new game engine in particular will be the foundations for the game to be recognised by the masses; because lets face it, RO1 for a game released in 2004 did not look very flash but RO2 looks stunning!

People who never even heard of RO1 will be buying RO2 - the same crowd who bought the Call of Duty games and the Battlefield games will find RO2 very appealing. The game therefore has a potentially HUGE customer market to crack into. A few good reviews, recommendations from friends and positive comparisons of the game to other online FPS will ensure the game skyrockets into success.

I'm hoping it will be a huge success and that the franchise will finally leap out from hiding and become a generally accepted benchmark for realism in FPS.

This game has the potential to transform Tripwire from indie to renown, putting them up there with DICE and Infinity Ward (I don't play COD but no one can deny that IW aren't famous). It will be interesting to see Tripwire evolve and expand assuming the game is a hit success.

HAO
11-20-2010, 09:04 PM
this game will be the ♥♥♥♥, i dont own any cod games or medal of honor ones but i will be buying this day 1

Fozzy the bear
11-20-2010, 11:14 PM
good graphics do not make a good game.

No, but better graphics add to the immersion.

I don't know about you, but I'm not down with playing a game that looks like it's from 1993. *cough*WWIIONLINE*cough*

Meow Cat
11-21-2010, 12:57 AM
ill buy it if my computer can handle it. So i'm probably not buying it. i've got a e2200 dual core 2.2 mghz, hd5770, 2 gigs of ram. I imagine you'd need at least a dual core 2.4 mghz to run this more like a good quad core if you want the graphics turned up but it will be a good game if it's like RO1

nomechordas
11-21-2010, 01:02 AM
ill buy it if my computer can handle it. So i'm probably not buying it. i've got a e2200 dual core 2.2 mghz, hd5770, 2 gigs of ram. I imagine you'd need at least a dual core 2.4 mghz to run this more like a good quad core if you want the graphics turned up but it will be a good game if it's like RO1

I think that you will be able to run it.Not at full detail, since your precessor is a bit old, but quite well, since your gpu is pretty good.

Atomic Hamster
11-21-2010, 03:51 AM
No, but better graphics add to the immersion.

I don't know about you, but I'm not down with playing a game that looks like it's from 1993. *cough*WWIIONLINE*cough*

Doesn't bother me if the gameplay is good. WW2 Online is a great idea, graphics are not that bad but the gameplay doesn't quite deliver for me.

RO is a great game and looks great to me and the new one looks great too.

glassypool
11-21-2010, 04:02 AM
I'll be buying it even if it costs a full $50

Yoshiro
11-21-2010, 08:27 AM
With RO Ost sitting at near half a million copies sold, I think it is safe to assume people will be interested in RO 2 :)

Especially since alot of our work has gone into making the game more accessible (not less realistic) based off the feedback from the first.

sgt.nightfire
11-22-2010, 07:20 PM
I have been playing RO since mod version 2.0, people still play RO and even the mod Darkest Hour featuring the Brits and the Americans!! It has a community for sure! but its a underground community... You won't see much of it, but they are there for sure! The first RO is still being played since it released in 2006!

vazzaroth
11-23-2010, 07:49 AM
Just wondering... did the person who said it looked old even watch the video? I was impressed by the graphics, personally. It's not Crysis, but its comparable to MW2, IMO. Sure the lighting isn't as great, but it's not far off.
With that said, I will state that the graphics are very Un-flashy. They are utilitarian and realistic, perfect for RO. Things aren't over done, and I'd be jarateed if they were.

Edit: To clarify, by The Video I meant gameplay footage on youtube, not the steam video. That thing looks pretty much 100% prerendered, or at least not real gameplay.

And I'll probably pre-purchase it soon, btw.

Yoshiro
11-23-2010, 08:32 AM
The video trailer on steam is 100% in game, using in game assets. The only reason it isn't marked in game is because it was scripted (AI).

Echonian
11-23-2010, 09:47 AM
I honestly could care less about the graphics. But they are a MAJOR improvement over the previous game, and I am personally a big fan of unreal engine 3.

It may not have better graphics than some games, but its up there at being really good. Complaining about visual quality honestly seems like nothing more than trolling, and it is very pathetic to watch.

This game is promising to be the most realistic, intense, and involved FPS game in history...especially for the WW2 genre, in which it occupies a unique role (few other games focus on this front, if any at all).

The fact that its being made by such a great developer ALONE should be enough for people to buy it. But if that doesn't convince them to buy it, just look at some trailers. Every little detail counts, from blind firing, to bullet penetration, to realistic gun sights and vehicular combat that can not possibly be less fun than in the original red orchestra, in which it already is very unique and enjoyable.

Besides, I think that a lot of people are looking for a FPS game other than call of duty or battlefield to fulfill their "realistic" FPS wants. Team Fortress 2 shouldn't even be considered competition for this game - it is entirely a different type of FPS. ;)

jimbofluffy
11-23-2010, 07:23 PM
If I had to pick my favorite online FPS (measure in the amount of fun I had when I was actively playing it), it would have to be RO. I haven't played it that much recently, but I will pre order the HOS.

HAO
11-23-2010, 08:02 PM
@ Yoshiro

Any plans on releasing a retail collectors edition of some kind?

I as well as others love Steam but I think I want a hard copy of this game and a CE would be even better.

realluftwaffles
11-23-2010, 08:19 PM
I'd give three times their asking price just because I saw a Nagant revolver in a game demo....

TheGrudgeNL33
11-24-2010, 01:45 AM
I am deffenitly going to buy it. Finally a game where people actually work together. MoH,Battlefield bad company 2 and CoD BO are all fail games on the multiplayer part. The only moment you see players actually standing together in those games is at the very start of the match. Within 20 seconds everyone runs in a different direction. EDIT: or when one team gets spawnkilled.

vazzaroth
11-24-2010, 02:25 AM
Glad to hear the video was using in-game models, but when I say Prerendered... well, to me, animations, effects, and movement are all part of what makes up graphics, so I still hope an in-game video gets uploaded soon.

But like I said, the game still looks great from the youtube clips, and I was surprised that the steam video and the actual play footage were so similar/the same!

Davee
11-24-2010, 04:10 AM
As a UT2k4 mod veteran it sure has my pre-order! My most anticipated game of 2011, by far. Can't wait to get my hands on a Mosin Nagant again (also, Nagant revolver - YES). :)

cheeseus
11-24-2010, 06:33 AM
lolTroll

Edit: Of course I will buy it.

Sagittarius001
11-25-2010, 01:50 PM
I was surprised to see this on steam-- I bought the original game and played for no more than 5 hours. Just couldn't get into and the servers were dead.

Dead, huh? Since mid-August, (3 months), I have played over 500 hours online. Red Orchestra is a compelling game which rewards persistence, guile and tenacity. The graphics are a bit clunky but the action is without equal.

I am definitely buying HoS when it is released!

kn4rf
11-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Really looking forward to this one. TWI has defiantly proven themselves in my book.

kupopoo
11-26-2010, 08:12 PM
I'll be purchasing the new RO!

Wilsonam
11-28-2010, 08:33 PM
I'd give three times their asking price just because I saw a Nagant revolver in a game demo....

Noted - I'll hold you to that promise!

redgermor
11-29-2010, 10:37 AM
I totally think this game is gonna rock. RO was very nice indeed, so if RO2 is better I don't know why I shouldn't buy it.
Also the badly mixed BC2 with CoD named MoH, broken Black Ops and other failures will definately lead people to RO2:HoS


Also I wanted to buy the game, but some holiday contest let me win the top 5 of my wishlist. Since RO2 was #1, I am probably one of the first people 'owning' the game:D


Also The Ball was #2 on my list (also a great game, had to buy it sooner), causing a valve employee with good taste to leave the next comment: "Two Tripwire games in your top two--nice!"

Couldn't resist sharing the comment at the Tripwire forum:)

R~S
11-29-2010, 11:02 AM
It would be nice if there was a 4 pack, as to spread the love :D

mujahieed
11-29-2010, 05:43 PM
Looks promising. I hope the mod community gets a revival too. Wouldn't mind a modern combat type mod.

Hodlpu
11-30-2010, 01:06 AM
Yep, people will buy it.
RO1 is great, but it was old which explains the lack of players.
RO fans that have moved on (I've been playing RTS games) will def come back for RO2.

Btw, some mods are already being developed for RO2.

Yoshiro
11-30-2010, 06:58 AM
I totally think this game is gonna rock. RO was very nice indeed, so if RO2 is better I don't know why I shouldn't buy it.
Also the badly mixed BC2 with CoD named MoH, broken Black Ops and other failures will definately lead people to RO2:HoS


Also I wanted to buy the game, but some holiday contest let me win the top 5 of my wishlist. Since RO2 was #1, I am probably one of the first people 'owning' the game:D


Also The Ball was #2 on my list (also a great game, had to buy it sooner), causing a valve employee with good taste to leave the next comment: "Two Tripwire games in your top two--nice!"

Couldn't resist sharing the comment at the Tripwire forum:)



A good man! Was it Burton who left the comment or who? I need to get that man a drink hehehe :)

Zookawarrior
11-30-2010, 08:45 AM
Looks promising. I hope the mod community gets a revival too. Wouldn't mind a modern combat type mod.

There will be:

In Country: Vietnam (http://incountrymod.com/) (Vietnam mod, duh)
Rising Storm (http://www.risingstormgame.com/) (Pacific mod)
Iron Europe (http://www.ironeuropegame.com/news.php) (WWI mod)

And there's some talk about modern warfare mod at HOS modding discussion forums (http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/forumdisplay.php?f=83). Personally I'd love to see Winter or Continuation War mod :cool:

Yoshiro
11-30-2010, 09:08 AM
The modern warfare mod I was heading up joined forces with In Country since we had such a similar scope.

tigersmith
11-30-2010, 11:03 AM
Best game I have in my steam library! Cant wait :)

Yoshiro
12-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Best game I have in my steam library! Cant wait :)

You the other lucky winner?

265thFeral
12-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Will I be buying it? Yes.

I had RO but like other posters I didn't play it much as my clan was more interested in playing CoD2 at the time and that took most of my time up. A few of us in my clan played it and enjoyed it - very different to other FPS games at the time and took a while for us players used to MoH/CoD to adjust to but ultimately very enjoyable.

Now, however, we've all become disillusioned by the direction of CoD and how poorly it's been implemented on the PC. We loved playing UO and liked CoD2 (despite it's flaws)and played it endlessly. Since then we've been desperate for a game that can take their place. We hoped MoH or BF:BC2 would do that but in vain; MW, MW2, WaW and Black Ops were regarded in the same light and all failed to live up to expectations.

We're dying for a game that we can play competitively as a clan properly. Here's hoping RO:HoS can deliver. I'll give it a go in any case just in the hope that it can deliver what so many of us want.

BasketCaseOIC
12-01-2010, 07:37 PM
Will be making the purchase for sure. The early gameplay videos convinced me.....gonna' be great:)

RexYnator
12-02-2010, 04:35 AM
Will purchase.

fedaykin6
12-02-2010, 10:55 AM
Will probably buy once I've seen it in action and approve. If the screenshots are not just pre-rendered for show then the graphics will be quite good. And no bloom - gotta love that.

Shaitan808
12-03-2010, 03:10 AM
I am definitely going to buy this. It looks amazing. Plus its built on the PC for the PC! I'm tired of all these console ports running like crap on my superior system.

Mgp
12-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Buying for sure. Been looking forward to it for a couple of years now. Now if only tripwire made a modern fps as a future project with the same realistic feature set........

redgermor
12-06-2010, 03:26 AM
A good man! Was it Burton who left the comment or who? I need to get that man a drink hehehe :)

It was Jason actually. And also hand him a beer from me as a thank you:D

Antichrist XVII
12-06-2010, 06:11 AM
I'll be getting it if it has a SP campaign or when I have more time for an online game. I could care less how much it is, it beats TF2 any day.

leroybrown
12-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Will be buying day of release.

Fozzy the bear
12-07-2010, 01:07 AM
Will be buying day of release.

Never heard of that game.

Yoshiro
12-07-2010, 06:31 AM
Might be similar to Day of Defeat...

Antichrist XVII
12-07-2010, 08:14 AM
Prequel, maybe?

FraserCDN
12-07-2010, 12:57 PM
Im pre ordering as soon as I can. Im a poor college student and ill sell my kidneys if I have to. RO2 and BF3 are the only games im looking forward to in the next year.

Sadius
12-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Prequel, maybe?

Laughed with this xD

Aetius
12-07-2010, 05:53 PM
Also I wanted to buy the game, but some holiday contest let me win the top 5 of my wishlist. Since RO2 was #1, I am probably one of the first people 'owning' the game:D


Also The Ball was #2 on my list (also a great game, had to buy it sooner), causing a valve employee with good taste to leave the next comment: "Two Tripwire games in your top two--nice!"

Couldn't resist sharing the comment at the Tripwire forum:)


So you're one of the fabled winners? There were huge threads on the Steam general chat forum debating if there were actually any winners lol (i was not one of them).

RO2 is also number one on my wishlist :).

I can't wait to play the single player. I love reading about WWII from the German perspective. They really had it the worst - read Guy Sager's the Forgotten Soldier if you want an excellent first hand account of what it was like facing the Russian advance into Axis territory. Allows you to understand and appreciate the atmosphere in RO just that bit more.

redgermor
12-08-2010, 10:44 AM
So you're one of the fabled winners? There were huge threads on the Steam general chat forum debating if there were actually any winners lol (i was not one of them).

RO2 is also number one on my wishlist :).

I can't wait to play the single player. I love reading about WWII from the German perspective. They really had it the worst - read Guy Sager's the Forgotten Soldier if you want an excellent first hand account of what it was like facing the Russian advance into Axis territory. Allows you to understand and appreciate the atmosphere in RO just that bit more.

Haha, if I didn't win I would probably reach the same conclusion;)

I just ordered the book you mentioned, WWII always intriged me and I love to know the complete story. Nice christmas read:D

Can't wait till the pc gamer (january issue) reaches the stores so I can read the hands-on (Black ops vs RO2)

xruiner89
12-08-2010, 02:51 PM
Day One.
Have a feeling will be delayed well into 2011 :(

R~S
12-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Add a 4 pack option and you bet I'll buy it for me and ask (read, force) some friends to play it with me.

:D

Aetius
12-09-2010, 12:00 AM
Haha, if I didn't win I would probably reach the same conclusion;)

I just ordered the book you mentioned, WWII always intriged me and I love to know the complete story. Nice christmas read:D


I meant that i didn't think that there were no winners - not that i didn't win (although i didn't win :P).

Enjoy the book! It's an excellent read. Full of genuine raw emotions. It's up there with All Quiet on the Western Front. I'm shocked that The Forgotten Soldier isn't as well known as All Quiet, especially considering it's a personal recount - which All Quiet is not.

redgermor
12-09-2010, 01:51 AM
I meant that i didn't think that there were no winners - not that i didn't win (although i didn't win :P).

Enjoy the book! It's an excellent read. Full of genuine raw emotions. It's up there with All Quiet on the Western Front. I'm shocked that The Forgotten Soldier isn't as well known as All Quiet, especially considering it's a personal recount - which All Quiet is not.

Ah, I interpreted the sentence wrong:)
I read the book Stalingrad by Anthony Beevor which was also a great lecture on the war. Although it was a bit long, it showed the situation on both sides which was surprising to me.
But I will stop the book discussion on the RO2 forum, little bit off topic:p

Now for something on topic, in RO I hated the battle against tanks (long walks without a ride, can't control one), how numerous are the infantry only maps?
Also are there maps like the stalingrad square which are based on real WWII locations?

Pumpkins
12-09-2010, 06:33 AM
RO is awesome and in Tripwire we trust!! They support their games!!

I will buy it for sure!! no matter how much it costs.

Mokkat
12-09-2010, 10:34 AM
This still has better graphics than Black Ops, lol :D

grimgard
12-10-2010, 01:07 PM
YES but not from Steam. STEAM blows! I'll be buying the retail box thank you very much.

FraserCDN
12-10-2010, 10:01 PM
I want to buy boxed edition so I can get some cool extras. I hope it will have something like RO1.

ZomBie_007
12-11-2010, 03:04 AM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

Build it and they will come...

BC.
12-11-2010, 06:33 AM
Pre-ordered via Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MFU290/) last month. :)

gimboid
12-13-2010, 05:29 AM
I want to buy boxed edition so I can get some cool extras. I hope it will have something like RO1.

Um.. and which extras would those be?

FraserCDN
12-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Not sure, im just hoping they will have some, like RO1 had the cool tank cards.

ductape
12-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Will buy day one!

Saw this the other day and it caught my eye. Decided to try out RO1 having seen it a while back, but never bought it. Im hooked. I love RO1 and now play it more than anything else.

Looking forward to release

gimboid
12-16-2010, 06:59 AM
Will buy day one!

Saw this the other day and it caught my eye. Decided to try out RO1 having seen it a while back, but never bought it. Im hooked. I love RO1 and now play it more than anything else.

Looking forward to release

:) welcome to the community.

AlHudsonFX
12-16-2010, 12:30 PM
I'll buy it.

In fact, I've been waiting for it for since it was announced way back when.

+1

I read a Gamespot article about this game and then I become interested in.

Mike Nomad
12-19-2010, 04:08 AM
With RO Ost sitting at near half a million copies sold, I think it is safe to assume people will be interested in RO 2 :)

Especially since alot of our work has gone into making the game more accessible (not less realistic) based off the feedback from the first.

Yosh, We are still playing RO daily. RO2: Heroes of Stalingrad is on the must have list around here.

FraserCDN
12-19-2010, 11:50 AM
Yosh, We are still playing RO daily. RO2: Heroes of Stalingrad is on the must have list around here.

+1. I agree 100%.

annisman
12-20-2010, 03:31 AM
Tripwire = one of the best PC developers still around.

Also, I will pre-order this game as soon as I can, to stick it to the trolling OP.

Dark~Horizon
12-22-2010, 10:39 AM
Graphics is not everything, gameplay is.

I'll play RO over ANY other game because of the awesome gameplay.
Servers are anything but dead, i have a hard time joining them because they are always full.

Let's not give a false idea of the state of play please. Yes, the servers are full. All... how many of them?

RO is far from a dead game, but it's hardly thriving either. A game as simulation-biased as RO will never have the mass popularity you see elsewhere. Doesn't stop me loving it though, and HoS looks fantastic; you'll certainly see a lot of old school RO fans coming back to play again once it's released.

Go Tripwire! (Love Killing Floor)

Also, just because RO1 was never that popular and only now has a smallish community does not mean that RO2 will suffer the same fate. RO2 looks like it will feel like a brand new game, not just a mod. I think RO2 will have a much wider appeal with its single player story, awesome graphics and numerous features.

People who never even heard of RO1 will be buying RO2 - the same crowd who bought the Call of Duty games and the Battlefield games will find RO2 very appealing. The game therefore has a potentially HUGE customer market to crack into. A few good reviews, recommendations from friends and positive comparisons of the game to other online FPS will ensure the game skyrockets into success.

I'm hoping it will be a huge success and that the franchise will finally leap out from hiding and become a generally accepted benchmark for realism in FPS.

This is a bit deluded tbh. The mainstream do not (cannot even?), dig RO type gameplay. The good news is that HoS doesn't need a MW sized playercount to be a huge success.

ps; For those in the know, RO already is the benchmark for realism in FPS.
pps; A vietnam mod sounds sweet. Imo that's as late as you could go for a realistic fps and not have crappy gameplay (like insmod).

FubyDoo
12-22-2010, 01:20 PM
Red Orchestra has an active but rude community. Don't mess with them and you will enjoy the game for all it has to offer. I have been playing this since the release of Darkest Hour Mod , which adds in the American army. This is still the best "TANK" game on the market bar none. Much better than original RO with this mod added.

I been looking forward to this game in hopes that the RO side gets better tanks. Looking at those pictures, if ballistics are right, this will be a winner. Graphics seem fine. Gameplay is much more important to me. I am soooo tired of the eye-candy from the COD/BC series and look forward to war again on dedicated servers you can actually configure and add mods to! Plus maps with some size to them!! Also look forward to the DH team tackling this version and improving on Darkest Hour.(probably a year or so off though)

fearlessbros
12-28-2010, 10:49 PM
I like the concept, but with the other FPS games, and then you look at this one, with the information we have, which is not alot from such a close time till release, is upsetting. Sadly this won't be a "First day purchase" for me, because I'm not familiar with this series and secondly lack of information surrounding this game and it's development cycle. Maybe in a week / 2 week time after release and people are talking good about it, sure I'll gladly pay full price for a good product.

Machete234
12-29-2010, 05:37 AM
tf2 LOL
I will buy red orchestra 2 100%

The grafics are as cutting edge as in any COD title (They both arent too impressive)
But Im sure the gameplay will be the better than any game in the last years.

gimboid
12-29-2010, 06:47 AM
Red Orchestra has an active but rude community. Don't mess with them and you will enjoy the game for all it has to offer.

You could say that for any other game out there. There will always be ♥♥♥-hats regardless of the title you're playing.
My experience with RO is quite the opposite of your's apparently... I've always found RO players to *not* be aforementioned ♥♥♥-hats.

me_loco
12-29-2010, 07:42 PM
I'm arma2 fan, when i learned about RO, i bought all the games from steams even though i don't play it as much as i do with arma2 but i wanted to support such a great game and developers.

I will be buying RO2 100%, i don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about price, game like this deserves $100 better than other ♥♥♥♥ty companies that sell half finished games then abandoned them for support.

RaranTroff
12-29-2010, 08:21 PM
When does this come out as I want it. I just bought the first one today and I love it. The spray and pray campers get slaughtered by my carefully aimed fire even from a bolt action rifle.

Finally a multi game that actually takes some skill instead of just spamming automatic weapons fire in a general direction. I am in heaven. The best part is its like shooting a real 91/30, it kicks like a bastard, is accurate to godly ranges, and you actually have to know what you are doing. I have found my new crack.

ganjabeard510
01-03-2011, 03:10 PM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

lol "just get team fortress 2..." hope you're joking on that one lol HoS is gonna be revolutionary. gfx look awesome, realism is through the roof. RO1 is a bad grafix mess of a game but RO2, everything ive seen demo'd on that game looks excellent. well worth w/e they price it at. (especially for being able to have 64 tanks rolling around and being able to see the action from inside of it \m/ )

ganjabeard510
01-03-2011, 03:12 PM
When does this come out as I want it. I just bought the first one today and I love it. The spray and pray campers get slaughtered by my carefully aimed fire even from a bolt action rifle.

Finally a multi game that actually takes some skill instead of just spamming automatic weapons fire in a general direction. I am in heaven. The best part is its like shooting a real 91/30, it kicks like a bastard, is accurate to godly ranges, and you actually have to know what you are doing. I have found my new crack.


yea agreed on the skill part (seems like this game takes skill to use the weaponry, not "conventional" fps spam shooting style...

bryanboomer
01-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Hell no played both tripwires games Killing floor and RO yeah both advertised single player and both sucked horribly, don't advertise single player as practice, practice isn't single player, not everyone wants to play MP all the time, and listen to 12 year old spew "pawn" every 4 seconds. And on top of that, yes the games are realistic, but they also need to be fun, I didn't see or feel the fun. Could have done without even knowing these 2 games exsisted and will never buy a tripwire game again. One because they false advertise their product and 2 their games just aren't fun. Just my opinion.

And for the guy below me Rarantroff, never played a COD product, I try and not support companies that make broken or crappy games.

RaranTroff
01-03-2011, 11:30 PM
......and the above poster is why cod makes record profits by making a crappier product than the year before, year after year. Its obvious from the post that a vast experience with the actual TWI community has been had........

I behoove anyone that thinks cod is the be all end all of fps gaming do not buy this game. We don't want you or your ADD infected attitudes. I am glad you don't like the RO games as that just makes sure the community for RO2 will be a place to chill.

gimboid
01-04-2011, 04:34 AM
and listen to 12 year old spew "pawn" every 4 seconds.

Can't say I've run into any 12 year olds playing RO. They're all probably too busy thumbing around in a console FPS where being juvenile and inane is accepted.

Sikotauti
01-04-2011, 11:05 AM
I like the concept, but with the other FPS games, and then you look at this one, with the information we have, which is not alot from such a close time till release, is upsetting. Sadly this won't be a "First day purchase" for me, because I'm not familiar with this series and secondly lack of information surrounding this game and it's development cycle. Maybe in a week / 2 week time after release and people are talking good about it, sure I'll gladly pay full price for a good product.

Actually, the game is not that close till release. The 1st quarter of 2011 that steam suggests is the release date is inaccurate; on other various sources the game is said to be released in Q2, maybe even in Q3!

Ontopic: I will be buying the game absolutely :). At this stage it looks amazing (from what I had seen in an interview with Tripwire president), and it is said to offer plenty of material.
Also, it has already 3 mods in development, as Tripwire has given code/data/stuff to mod developer teams before release!
The mods will therefore come out sooner than 1 year of the release of Ro:Hos, wich is great. I believe 1 of the mods takes place in the Pacific theatre (USAvs.Japan), one in WW1(awesome), and 1 in Vietnam. And lastly, this game is not ported from console, 100% for PC:cool:.

fishster
01-13-2011, 07:59 AM
I enjoy playing Darkest hour more than RO but most definately will be buying at full price on release (or preorder). I normally wait for games to be on special offer before buying 'cos I'm as tight as a crabs chuff.

This is my most anticipated game to date, Manic Miner included.

It's refreshing to deal with a company who have their customers at heart, not the back pocket.

Dr.Phibes
01-13-2011, 02:42 PM
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/drphibes138/340x.jpg

Tufelhunden
01-15-2011, 12:59 AM
I'm snagging a copy as soon as possible. As some one else said not sure how I missed the first but this looks excellent and is a Day 1 purchase. :)

Biskit64
01-15-2011, 04:51 AM
I will p reorder when it available , not even a hesitation.
I used to play the ut2004 mod version, and bought a gave away retail copy's of RO to fellow gamers.
So glad they are coming out with RO2.

derpburp
01-15-2011, 12:50 PM
I am preordering it.

Psycho Pigeon
01-15-2011, 08:41 PM
looking at all the awesome mods for it.. it's instant buy..

Abol65
01-16-2011, 03:24 AM
I will also preorder the game and i hope it will be released soon :D

HAO
01-16-2011, 05:29 AM
What about collectors edition?

Fozzy the bear
01-17-2011, 05:49 AM
What about collectors edition?

It's from my experience when you have a chick over, they love to snoop around your place. So if you have a collector's edition, you will for sure be in the friend's zone. But if you are married, I guess this advice doesn't matter.

Χάρης
01-17-2011, 06:06 AM
Yep i'm gonna buy it.

divine_skills
01-17-2011, 03:37 PM
Never played Red Orchestra but this game looks very interesting. It's PC only and I will support companies that make such a brave decision.

Is it anything like BF?

Psycho Pigeon
01-17-2011, 04:18 PM
Never played Red Orchestra but this game looks very interesting. It's PC only and I will support companies that make such a brave decision.

Is it anything like BF?

lol no. it's a realism fps.

Haupman
01-17-2011, 04:27 PM
I'll be buying it as well.

WingmanSR
01-18-2011, 08:11 PM
I check for the preorder button everyday. I can't wait. Tripwire and Bohemia Interactive(Arma 2) are the mature gamers choice for...uh...mature gaming! I look forward to teaming up with and facing off against the like-minded on the battlefield.


As an aside, my ultimate gaming related fantasy is something Co-Developed by Bohemia and Tripwire. They would call it, "The Greatest Game Ever" but then I would have to wear adult diapers and quit my job, not to mention the heavy duty reinforced desk chair I would need to purchase to support my unavoidably enormous and ever increasing girth from being completely sedentary. My mouse arm would be RIPPED though.

krazyxazn
01-19-2011, 09:27 AM
I'm buying it and I keep two forums I frequent up-to-date with the game.

Jedimasterone1
01-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Yep, plan on getting it as well. Loved the first one, played it recently so servers are alive and well, so the sequel is an easy addition to my gaming library. Can't wait for it!

Maizel
01-21-2011, 10:25 AM
I'll get it as soon as it is released, though I doubt it'll be Q1.

Mais Genre !!2
01-23-2011, 07:49 AM
Day 1 for me !

Dustenza
01-23-2011, 02:55 PM
1st day buy for me!

Tomoj
01-24-2011, 09:21 PM
Treyarch is behind BO. Not Activision. BO uses the enhanced WaW engine. They can't be compared. Even through it is still a CoD franchise. MW2 is ♥♥♥♥ compared to BO




How are you so sure this game doesn't suck like many other FPS games out there? - Seriously, we've all been dissapointed like usual. Why have great hopes for this one then? Many are going to be "OH ♥♥♥♥, BO IS GREATER THAN RO" and others will be like "♥♥♥♥ BO, RO is all about tactics"
- Tactics, tactics, tactics... My ♥♥♥. The only reason people wants tactics are because they want to have a free camping game with no cheats, etc. That's why the are so overhyped over a game, and it's still gonna suck anyway, because people don't know how to play anyway.

Dude, get over yourself. Have you ever ****ing played the game? And there's no such thing as "knowing how to play it". And for me, it's not tactics, it's the realism, if your hands get shot, you drop your weapon. If your leg gets shot, you go slower. I love realism in games. It's one of the reasons STALKER: Call of Pripyat is my favorite game.

Arttemis
01-25-2011, 12:52 PM
I'm definitely getting this. I tried the original RO just a few months ago, and I found the realism to be very rewarding. I really can't wait to see that style of gameplay brought into the more modern engine of today's FPS!

Also, I'm really excited to play the single player campaign.

Pinball99
02-01-2011, 09:34 AM
I am really looking forward to this!

It is hard for me to put my finger on it, but there was just "something" about the gameplay in RO Ost Front which kept me glued to that game for over two years, despite the dated graphics and such. I haven't found anything nearly as satisfying in the genre since then.

If Tripwire can recreate that magic in RO2, I will be extremely grateful.

Skopjanec
02-02-2011, 05:23 AM
i will buy this game if it is going to have normal price in my country,coz here all the games have bigger prices like call of duty 69 euros,not 59*!

Desi
02-04-2011, 01:09 AM
I'm buying it. ♥♥♥♥ yeah, guys, I'm buying it. I'll buy the ♥♥♥♥ out of it. :D

bmickey
02-04-2011, 02:28 AM
I'm definitely buying it. Although I'm not playing the original anymore, I've so many hours of quality fun with Red Orchestra, and after watching the trailers of RO:HoS it's out of question wether I'm buying it or not: of course I do, and I wish I could pre-purchase it already.
It has everything to be a major hit, it could reinvigorate the multiplayer shooter genre with a move towards a more thoughtful, but fun activity.

Desi
02-05-2011, 12:09 AM
I'm definitely buying it. Although I'm not playing the original anymore, I've so many hours of quality fun with Red Orchestra, and after watching the trailers of RO:HoS it's out of question wether I'm buying it or not: of course I do, and I wish I could pre-purchase it already.
It has everything to be a major hit, it could reinvigorate the multiplayer shooter genre with a move towards a more thoughtful, but fun activity.
I sadly missed the boat on Red Orchestra, but I won't miss it this time!:D

derpburp
02-05-2011, 09:44 AM
Trippwire makeing a game
Mod support and mods already in progress
64 player maps that change to fit amount of clients
A developer that knows how to care for the people that made them big

Check, check, check, check


Yeap, they are getting my do$h.

Choster
02-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Was going to buy it until I heard about the leveling system. Don't have the free time necessary to unlock all the games content.

Benjamin Breeg
02-10-2011, 04:46 AM
Was going to buy it until I heard about the leveling system. Don't have the free time necessary to unlock all the games content.

1) You don't know how long it will take to unlock everything.
2) You don't have to unlock anything to be competent, even at the lowest level, your bullets will be as good as everyone else's.

Forrest GIMP
02-11-2011, 10:31 AM
will I buy this? yeah gee, let me think. The only MP FPS in the last 5 years that is going to offer a hardcore, large scale, PC centric, mod friendly gaming experience (other than perhaps ArmA 2-which is far more sim than typical fps).

This has a ton of hype behind it in the PC community. If it's half as good as it looks like it's going to be, then it will sell incredibly well.

tinwhisker
02-11-2011, 11:27 AM
I had the chance to playtest it last week.
Quality quality quality through and through.
Nothing feels dated and the game is eminently playable.
My live cast from TWI can be seen heard here http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
For all you guys who have waited so long I feel that you are in for a real treat.

skingrad111
02-11-2011, 05:01 PM
I see nothing else that surpasses the gameplay of this game... I am a old Battlefield series player and the upcoming Battlefield 3 looks horrible (mostly due of being multiplatform) this is what most BF vets have been waiting for a team based game, with some kind of realism. First day buy for me

mestido
02-13-2011, 12:54 PM
I will for sure + some of my friends.
Wondering when RO2 will be out...

Mac O'Connor
02-23-2011, 01:41 AM
O definitely i will as well buy this game.

One request please post the official release day for this game.And as suggestion put more effort in to PR this game needs to be advertised more.

divine_skills
02-23-2011, 04:29 AM
And as suggestion put more effort in to PR this game needs to be advertised more.
Why? Let the mass market fools play CoD.

Relicc
02-25-2011, 07:39 AM
Yes, I'm buying it. I've been a fan of RO for quite some time.

I hope there are going to be map kit restrictions again. I know its a scramble for the sniper/MG/Sturm spot, but I think it makes the game better.

flarp
02-26-2011, 04:19 PM
I dont prepurchase games anyone (thanks to a string of disappointments), but i will certainly keep my eye on this title.

breadtruck
02-28-2011, 06:24 PM
Of course Im buying it. Day 1

DrFirepants
03-01-2011, 04:41 PM
im directing all the bitter people from the crysis 2 dumbing down crap to buy this game instead. even if they dont like it, its more money for tripwire.:D

spread the word. buy a real hardcore shooter.

Kewp
03-01-2011, 09:04 PM
im directing all the bitter people from the crysis 2 dumbing down crap to buy this game instead. even if they dont like it, its more money for tripwire.:D

spread the word. buy a real hardcore shooter.

QFT

ive got at least 3 ppl buying this one so far and pushing a few others in the right direction ;)

Cut2TheChase
03-02-2011, 01:51 PM
Heck YES I will be buying this, I will pre-order when I can. This is a PC only title so I will support this game all the way. No crappy consolitis.

fedaykin6
03-05-2011, 11:17 AM
I very rarely preorder, but based on what we know so far I think I'll preorder this. The gameplay footage shows a very solid game.

Why? Let the mass market fools play CoD.
You don't want more people to like the game you like? o_O

HAO
03-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I hate preordering and I hate Collectors Editions but for this game I want both. I own the other tripwire games and if any company deserves my money at full price it's these cats.

louchy
03-07-2011, 06:43 AM
Without a doubt people will be getting this. If anyone remembers when Ostfront came out or even the original UT3 mod...there was PLENTY of players and I'm imagining most of them will be coming back for HOS.

Yoshiro
03-07-2011, 08:34 AM
The RO community is fairly loyal. As long as we don't "ruin" "their" game I think we'll see many of the old fans return with many new fans as well :)

Duttebayo
03-07-2011, 11:22 AM
I just hope that they will not remove the "Camera on face" when you die.
going 3rd person when dyeing sucks.

AlHudson1
03-07-2011, 11:59 AM
I'm looking forward for this game but Gamespot release date says TBA 2011 not specific date yet?

OrWarrior
03-09-2011, 06:24 PM
Well I will definitely buy the game no matter what price tag you guys are gonna put on it. (hopefully lower then 50$ though :P)
I'm a huge fan of your work, and loved both killing floor and red orchestra :)

lt bob
03-09-2011, 09:52 PM
RO 1 is dead in australia lucky to get a good game on fri/sat night, but im certain we'll have enough people to play RO2.I will be getting it.

tunguska47
03-13-2011, 07:18 AM
I was surprised to see this on steam-- I bought the original game and played for no more than 5 hours. Just couldn't get into and the servers were dead.


probably because there playing the mod for it

cheeseus
03-29-2011, 03:29 AM
Well the OP is definitely a troll but yes, I will buy it, I have been waiting for this since they announced it and getting more and more excited when the release date is getting closer :D

HAO
03-29-2011, 04:12 AM
when the crap are we going to be able to preorder a collectors edition???????

Soulsick82
03-29-2011, 08:50 AM
been playing since release 4 years ago, and the servers are definitely not dead.

BTW, troll OP

Depends on where you live.
It's been pretty hard to find servers in Australia. I played for about 3 months and there was only 1 server with < 200 ping and it only played the one god forsaken map over and over. I see many other populated servers but the pings are well beyond what would be considered enjoyable.

Xtuhc
04-02-2011, 08:51 AM
i'm sold to the fact that its a realistic WW2 shooter :D

Suomis
04-02-2011, 10:48 AM
I'll be buying it as soon as possible :p

Dr Rockzo
04-03-2011, 09:00 PM
I'll probably get it, even though I stopped playing Ostfront about a year and a half after its release when they patched in grenades causing the screen to shake. That just bugged me a lot for some reason. Other than that I still love the game. If Stalingrad doesn't have that aspect in it, then it's a definite buy.

Duttebayo
04-04-2011, 05:38 AM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

How about Go die in a hole?
Graphics is good-looking, im not a ♥♥♥♥♥ after graphics. Graphics is for little kids to ♥♥♥♥ in their panties...
RO doesn't look good, but its one of the funnest games i know...

Wilsonam
04-04-2011, 01:53 PM
I hate preordering and I hate Collectors Editions but for this game I want both. I own the other tripwire games and if any company deserves my money at full price it's these cats.

Only just saw this one... thank you for the sentiment, but my dog (Tallulah) might take offense. She would eat any cats in the office...

Suomis
04-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Only just saw this one... thank you for the sentiment, but my dog (Tallulah) might take offense. She would eat any cats in the office...

He should eat the guy who programs the achievments ;)


Just kidding :D

xruiner89
04-07-2011, 01:56 PM
Need more info :(
It would make my day for them just to announce a day when they will announce the release day :(

cajun47
04-16-2011, 05:27 AM
im building a pc just for heroes and the old republic maybe.

lallous
05-08-2011, 02:12 AM
Day 1 purchase for me too !!
TW is becoming one of my favorite studios.

Toad213
05-08-2011, 08:56 PM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

The graphics are amazing but the game isn't really that fun :\

deafbystyle
05-09-2011, 08:09 AM
Ill be buying on day one. This game doesn't need comparing to other arcade FPS. Obviously this type of game isn't for everyone. I however think that RO, right from the mod version is one of the best FPS games ive ever played.

YpSan
05-10-2011, 06:09 PM
Ofc I'm buying. This game has everything I want from FPS. Honestly I got tired of arcady FPS back in the 90s.

lt bob
05-10-2011, 08:28 PM
I still play RO/DH. Ill be getting this one.

Maizel
05-12-2011, 12:11 AM
I'll be buying it.

Monty Waged War
05-12-2011, 10:59 AM
RO 1 is dead in australia lucky to get a good game on fri/sat night, but im certain we'll have enough people to play RO2.I will be getting it.

Pretty much this. Except I'm in SEA region. Probably will be playing on Australian servers too.

eightohfive
05-13-2011, 12:50 PM
i mean the graphics are not cutting edge as they said and red orchestra is old almost no one knows about it, and if it cost more then 20 dollars almost on one will buy they just get team fortress 2.

What you said makes perfect sense, I mean TF2 has often been praised for how realistic it is in terms of graphics and gameplay, plus all those huge vehicle battles...That just naturally makes it a great replacement for RO!

Have you ever considered a job in marketing? Possibly for the cigarette companies.

smokeythebear
05-20-2011, 12:14 AM
I was surprised to see this on steam-- I bought the original game and played for no more than 5 hours. Just couldn't get into and the servers were dead.

The US and EU servers are always full except past 3-4 am. There are a lot of people including myself who still play and even more who are looking forward to HoS.

wooki
05-20-2011, 01:49 AM
What you said makes perfect sense, I mean TF2 has often been praised for how realistic it is in terms of graphics and gameplay, plus all those huge vehicle battles...That just naturally makes it a great replacement for RO!

Have you ever considered a job in marketing? Possibly for the cigarette companies.

TF2 is the best milsim on the market! :D

schull
05-20-2011, 06:18 AM
I am both eagerly awaiting HoS and dreading it at the same time. I had to uninstall RO a few months ago because I was spending way too much time playing instead of working on my school assignments :eek:. And honestly I simply do not have the will to resist the temptation to play a round, one round becomes 2, then a whole evening. When I noticed on the steam page that I had played over 1200 hours of Darkest Hour mod, I wished I was a paid game tester lol, even a couple of dollars an hour would make a pretty nice payday :P. I have been saving up vacation time from work to splurge when HoS is released. I just hope I don't have any major essays or exams at school when it does though because I will be in a major pickle :(.

MRLebanon
05-28-2011, 11:10 AM
buying it as soon as the prepurchase option shows up

MjrEtr
05-30-2011, 01:58 PM
I remember playing around with RO back in the day when it was a mod, but not much. However I'm looking at HoS for a potential multi-player competitive ability. Is there a list somewhere of what mutators will come with the stock game?

At first I figure a simple arena one would suffice for what I need. I dont remember their names but there were a few community made ones for UT2004 that were much better. But we cant have it all on the first day of release. :D

tixe
05-31-2011, 07:57 AM
Its unreal engine 3. You dont play many games do you?

That's pretty good graphics for an indie game... For sure good enough for a great multiplayer game.

I'm playing terraria and it's the top selling game right now on steam. GAmeplay is everything and the graphiclovers move more and more to the ps3/xbox.

I'm guessing that the game price will be 19.99. But we will see... Killing floor cost 17.90 or something. I think they use unreal3 too.

flarp
05-31-2011, 08:15 AM
GAmeplay is everything and the graphiclovers move more and more to the ps3/xbox.


This makes no sense.

I'm a notorious graphics wh*re, and sole reason i DONT play on consoles is because the visuals are not appealing.

while i agree with you in some ways, i dont really think gameplay is everything.

people play games for different reasons. some play to engage a competitive environment, others play to enjoy the story, and some play to relax or unwind. I on the other hand, play to marvel at the visual aesthetics and advancement of graphics technology...

there is really no right or wrong answer. that said, i'm really looking forward to HoS; but seriously, when the f*** is this game coming out already?

tixe
05-31-2011, 08:41 AM
This makes no sense.

I'm a notorious graphics wh*re, and sole reason i DONT play on consoles is because the visuals are not appealing.

while i agree with you in some ways, i dont really think gameplay is everything.

people play games for different reasons. some play to engage a competitive environment, others play to enjoy the story, and some play to relax or unwind. I on the other hand, play to marvel at the visual aesthetics and advancement of graphics technology...

there is really no right or wrong answer. that said, i'm really looking forward to HoS; but seriously, when the f*** is this game coming out already?

It makes sense a bit. Most of those "super graphics" are used in big budget games such as modern war blablabla and these are always released on ps3. There are a few games like crysis2 that are impossible to play with highest settings but most of the studios release games because it's fun to play not because of the graphics. The big budget cool graphic games are not selling that well and are very expensive to make. I can imagine that there will be less games like that in the future because indie games take more and more money from the big studios.

These big budget games ruined this pc game industry a lot lately. We still play counter-strike not because it's a good game but because it's still more fun to play than any of the new multiplayer fps games that has been released the last few years. They invest all money in advertising and graphics but the game is still not fun to play. As a singleplayer maybe, not multiplayer.

Well, I don't think you should wait for indie games if you expect super graphics xD

Unreal3 is the today's answer on Valve's source. It's better looking and it's more modern.

I'm sure there will be a new engine indie devs can use in the future but for now it's unreal. I've played the ball and singularity, these games are good looking and use unreal.

Shepss
06-14-2011, 09:09 AM
Tripwire can do no wrong. RO was amazing, Killing Floor was amazing. Heroes of Stalingrad should be no different.

Shadowwarrior
06-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Any demo to be released? because I'm not sure whether my laptop can handle the game or not.

My laptop is an Acer Aspire 5742G
Intel Core i5-460M 2,53 GHz
4 GB DDR3 Ram
Nvidia Geforce GT 540M 1024 MB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

DEAD.JO
06-15-2011, 12:55 AM
This game looks awesome, i am looking forward it

The Algerian
06-15-2011, 07:11 AM
Any demo to be released? because I'm not sure whether my laptop can handle the game or not.

My laptop is an Acer Aspire 5742G
Intel Core i5-460M 2,53 GHz
4 GB DDR3 Ram
Nvidia Geforce GT 540M 1024 MB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I think you're gonna be fine.

WildBill
06-15-2011, 03:07 PM
This is one of maybe three games that are coming out this year which I absolutely will be buying or pre-ordering the instant it's possible for me to do so on Steam, without any consideration of price or waiting for sales, etc. The time I've spent playing the original RO and Darkest Hour mod combined is higher than any other game I have, and I've got a lot of them. I'm not even sure of the exact number of hours, because I played it a ton before Steam started permanently tracking total played hours, but it must be well over 300 hours. Since I bought it for $5 it was probably the best price/entertainment ratio of anything in my whole life. :) The new one will easily look like a good deal to me even if it's $50.

mr138
06-15-2011, 03:53 PM
Awww yeeeah I'll be buying this. Tripwire is a solid dev, you should support them.

666Ninja666
06-17-2011, 04:05 PM
I'm hoping that Tripwire has a special sale the same day so I can get both games at once (I've been holding back on the first RO because I don't have any money on my paypal)

HAO
06-17-2011, 10:03 PM
Tripwire can do no wrong. RO was amazing, Killing Floor was amazing. Heroes of Stalingrad should be no different.whoa whoa whoa lets not get out of hand here, killing floor was boring, no objective just shoot and run or like most of the maps, camp a spot and steal as many kills as possible.

-Sugar_Wolf
06-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Beta or no sale.

Stevecouch
06-20-2011, 04:50 AM
Beta or no sale.

Then you are buying!! The Beta has been released (just not to you yet)

Unlike other game makers they are making sure that all the bugs are worked out before release, and a lot of people forget what a BETA TEST is, hint: it is in the name.

I would love to get my hands on an early release, and if the game is everything that RO is and more, I will be happy to support my local game developer, my clan does mapping and modding so this will be a nice addition to our game list.


Tripwire FTW!!

cybertario
06-20-2011, 09:25 AM
Well, i bought RO cause it was ww2 and i really enjoy for a while DOD classic, but after a while i stop playing online multiplayers at all, so at first i was not thinking about this, but then i read this (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22535525&postcount=19), and now I really want it... just the German campaign will be a fresh option in this kind of games.


:):)

HAO
06-20-2011, 08:28 PM
we need new news or im leaving :(

gijas04
06-21-2011, 03:29 PM
I do miss the URT mod days when we played for free back in 2004. I will say this though. This is not a COD clone. Done. There's your answer.

Stevecouch
06-22-2011, 04:50 AM
I do miss the URT mod days when we played for free back in 2004. I will say this though. This is not a COD clone. Done. There's your answer.

hmmm, I agree. If I wanted COD I would buy it, but that is not what I want.

A modifiable game out of the box... TRIPWIRE FTW!!!

lallous
06-22-2011, 07:05 AM
Getting it on Pre-order day :)

Anthraxed
06-23-2011, 05:05 AM
I'm getting this game to probably, Red orchestra 1 was a unique ww2 shooter, very realistic, however some maps were way to big to be fun.
And about the graphics..I think they look fine, ofc there are games that look way better, but when graphics are not bad, It's oke for me.

But im not going to pay 50 euro for this game when it comes out

jonnyohio
06-23-2011, 08:28 AM
I just heard about this game, and was reading about it. Holy crap, does this game look like it could be great! And for $40, yeah I think I'm going to buy it! I've been wanting a good WW2 FPS for awhile now! Ever since COD went into modern times and got consolized I have been left wanting. Looks like this might scratch the itch!

Wolfseven
06-23-2011, 10:36 AM
Love the Work will buy?

stayBlind
07-04-2011, 01:53 PM
I will. :)

TheWeatherman
07-04-2011, 02:48 PM
this game is NOT about the GFX its about the realism of the gameplay (not ARMA2) enjoy RO Osfront and i am going to buy this for sure,this guys put lots of effort on this one plus they didnt forgot about the comunity at any time prove is that they already making some MODs for it and they are helping with it,not the case with BF3 or ♥♥♥♥ty MW3,i think this is goimg to be like an uppercut for some other FPS with lots of hipe this year,sorry for my english wen i got exited i forgot it :D

bugtrip
07-04-2011, 07:14 PM
I am buying TWO :)

TrOOper
07-05-2011, 08:18 AM
i will buy it! I only hope they have remained true to the original and havent dumbed it down.... the depth of play was always the strong suit...

Mgp
07-05-2011, 08:48 PM
Looking forward to bf3 but RO 2 is my most wanted game of 2011. Been playing RO on and off since it first won the "make something unreal" contest.

No one makes shooters like Tripwire interactive. Since Americas army died with the release of the failure that is AA3, I have been looking to this game for a similar fix.

Death_Masta187
07-07-2011, 08:40 AM
I will be buying 2 copies day 1 if the price is ~$20. or 1 copy day 1 and a 2nd on the first steam sale.

Mgp
07-09-2011, 09:59 PM
When does it go on sale on steam, anyone here know?

gwenavered
07-10-2011, 04:46 PM
idiots won't buy this, they'll just buy call of duty or battlefield for their run and gun fix.

fobban
07-11-2011, 02:31 AM
I'll buy it simply because Tripwire are the developers. One of few companies still out there that doesn't piss on us pc gamers.

Add to that that the game seems to be awesome.

Killing Floor's graphic isn't the best, but the feeling, and weapon models, are the best.

Gameplay and feeling far outweights graphical goodies. Imo the UT3 engine is good enough.

fedaykin6
07-11-2011, 09:22 AM
I am curious, though, what the network performance will be like. I mean the pings. AA3 is a UE3 game and it starts lagging like hell whenever more than 18 players are on a server. RO2 is also UE3, but 64 players are promised. I hope that Tripwire proves that AA3's developers are just incompetent and it's not UE3's fault. Anything else would be a disaster.

Friend-or-Pho
07-11-2011, 02:24 PM
Will certainly be buying this one. To the OP there are a surprising number of people out there that have heard of Red Orchestra, and to this day there atleast a couple hundred people that play the game regularly. So I'm not at all suprised HoS is on Steam, if anything gamers should be happy that "indie" teams like TW can make it on thier own instead of sucking on the teet of EA or the like.

Ssential
07-11-2011, 02:41 PM
Sure, because it's one of those last pc-focussed games and will feel different to all those dumbed down games which want to attract the masses and will be replaced one year later. Over and over again.

cato911
07-11-2011, 02:51 PM
My brother in law and I will both be buying it. I could talk about the realism,the mods that will come out,the support and what seems to be the only developer that cares about the PC community.....but you've all said it better than I could. OH and there's CO-OP. Just hope it aint 50 bucks.

Captain Chirac
07-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Wow, 15 pages already. Successful troll is successful.
You'd think the RO audience, which is more mature than average, would have enough experience and know how to handle trolls.
Well, congrats OP anyway.

fedaykin6
07-13-2011, 05:22 AM
The only troll in this thread so far is you, Cap'n Crunch.

AeneasXI
07-18-2011, 05:01 PM
Wow, 15 pages already. Successful troll is successful.
You'd think the RO audience, which is more mature than average, would have enough experience and know how to handle trolls.
Well, congrats OP anyway.

Rofl your a fool. As a matter of fact, this thread helps spread the word of HoS2 even more since already tons of ppl here said they will buy.
PPL will look at this thread and see that this game already got a huge fanbase even BEFORE its release. Which garantees a good playerbase for the game!

HOS2 will rock! Buying it as soon as pre-ordering starts!:cool:

oliathsg
07-20-2011, 05:12 AM
I have never heard of Red Orchestra and I am relatively new to PC gaming... but one thing is for sure. Twipwire's name is on this game which means instabuy for me.

Killingfloor and the Ball were two amazingly put together and amazingly well supported games. Tripwire are an awesome company and I'll take anything that they put out since they show that they care about their work and support the game long afterwards.

AeneasXI
07-20-2011, 10:24 AM
I have never heard of Red Orchestra and I am relatively new to PC gaming... but one thing is for sure. Twipwire's name is on this game which means instabuy for me.

Killingfloor and the Ball were two amazingly put together and amazingly well supported games. Tripwire are an awesome company and I'll take anything that they put out since they show that they care about their work and support the game long afterwards.

Red Orchestra was infact their first full game and also the mod with whom they once started ;) It is their main project so be assured you won't go wrong buying this. xD Hell you should even still buy Red Orchestra 1 because there are still enough people playing online. Just to get a glance at how awesome Red Orchestra 2 will be xD

Autocrat
07-21-2011, 05:01 AM
Prolly not, as more people see for what it is.

http://pcgamingtips.blogspot.com/201...ieve-hype.html

Autocrat
07-21-2011, 05:04 AM
Graphics is not everything, gameplay is.

I'll play RO over ANY other game because of the awesome gameplay.
Servers are anything but dead, i have a hard time joining them because they are always full.
Have you seen the last videos?
Gameplay is that of CoD. Look closely.

AeneasXI
07-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Have you seen the last videos?
Gameplay is that of CoD. Look closely.

LOL just be quiet you silly troll
Go back to your trollcave :eek:

RO is nothing like COD. The maps are bigger and the game is much more complex then COD ever will be. COD is just some silly arcade shooter. RO is far more than that. If you would have played Red Orchestra 1 you would never make such stupid statements.

I would never play one of the newer cod games, but I can't wait for Red Orchestra 2 :cool:

Silverkite
07-22-2011, 04:58 PM
LOL just be quiet you silly troll
Go back to your trollcave :eek:

RO is nothing like COD. The maps are bigger and the game is much more complex then COD ever will be. COD is just some silly arcade shooter. RO is far more than that. If you would have played Red Orchestra 1 you would never make such stupid statements.

I would never play one of the newer cod games, but I can't wait for Red Orchestra 2 :cool:

It is true that RO maps are bigger than CoD maps but at least on CoD maps if you are not wasting your time on that stupid S&D modality you can fight on every corner of the map,while on RO with the exclusion of bigger combined tank maps the are no maps that are offering this.Most of the times you are forced to fight for one cap,then once is lost or conquered you move forward and forget about it.

Problem is that the devs maybe because some CS turkey complained or maybe I don't know why made the map following the lame rule of who control the 3 windows owns the map,and you have crap maps like Danzig or Leningrad or Zhitomir where 3 soldiers and sometimes one MGer well placed and covered behind a mere door or some bump in the sewers is or are able to block the entire enemy team for a good amount of time.

Even on other custom maps have the same problems.They are big,maybe you are going to see or drive through a good portion of it but nothing more.Plus if there are cap-skippers or people camping on lost caps because the devs or the makers forgot about minefields it gets even worse

Now RO is approaching Modern Warfail,Battlecrap and WOW brand by adding stupid unlocks,stats including K/D and other crap,for sure SAM will do the trick for the unlocks and weapons,for sure I'm not going to purchase the game for stock maps or for tank maps cause 2 tanks + 2 other useless tanks in the future is a mere joke,plus I smell that we are going to see some new ping-pong matches if they screw with the tank code for balance purposes,but for custom sniper maps and maybe for other custom maps,cause I smell Danzing and other stock map crap comming

breadtruck
07-22-2011, 06:42 PM
Day 1 buy here.

MA6200
07-22-2011, 08:14 PM
I can't wait for the next RO. It's all been said but I'll repeat it anyhow—RO is great, and Tripwire are my favorite devs. I figured it'd be available for pre-order by now.

When will you let us throw our money at you Tripwire!?

obrekat'
07-22-2011, 11:53 PM
I already have money set aside to buy it on the day it comes out. Eagerly anticipating it!

Autocrat
07-23-2011, 04:55 AM
LOL just be quiet you silly troll
Go back to your trollcave :eek:

RO is nothing like COD. The maps are bigger and the game is much more complex then COD ever will be. COD is just some silly arcade shooter. RO is far more than that. If you would have played Red Orchestra 1 you would never make such stupid statements.

I would never play one of the newer cod games, but I can't wait for Red Orchestra 2 :cool:
Look for yourself. ROHOS is nothing like ROOST anymore, and alot more like CoD.
It's not difficult to notice. Catlike agility of the soldiers jumping out of windows, the ultra fast proning and strafing of the MG34 gunner...

The nading..the statistics..its cod all over again.

Autocrat
07-23-2011, 04:58 AM
It is true that RO maps are bigger than CoD maps but at least on CoD maps if you are not wasting your time on that stupid S&D modality you can fight on every corner of the map,while on RO with the exclusion of bigger combined tank maps the are no maps that are offering this.Most of the times you are forced to fight for one cap,then once is lost or conquered you move forward and forget about it.

Problem is that the devs maybe because some CS turkey complained or maybe I don't know why made the map following the lame rule of who control the 3 windows owns the map,and you have crap maps like Danzig or Leningrad or Zhitomir where 3 soldiers and sometimes one MGer well placed and covered behind a mere door or some bump in the sewers is or are able to block the entire enemy team for a good amount of time.

Even on other custom maps have the same problems.They are big,maybe you are going to see or drive through a good portion of it but nothing more.Plus if there are cap-skippers or people camping on lost caps because the devs or the makers forgot about minefields it gets even worse

Now RO is approaching Modern Warfail,Battlecrap and WOW brand by adding stupid unlocks,stats including K/D and other crap,for sure SAM will do the trick for the unlocks and weapons,for sure I'm not going to purchase the game for stock maps or for tank maps cause 2 tanks + 2 other useless tanks in the future is a mere joke,plus I smell that we are going to see some new ping-pong matches if they screw with the tank code for balance purposes,but for custom sniper maps and maybe for other custom maps,cause I smell Danzing and other stock map crap comming
Yes, and the worst thing is, the developer seems to think that it makes the game 'better'.

AeneasXI
07-23-2011, 12:50 PM
Yes, and the worst thing is, the developer seems to think that it makes the game 'better'.

You guys simply don't know what you are speaking of. Tripwire has a way better understanding of how their game is supposed to work than you will ever have.

Saying RO2 will be like COD only because of unlockables is simply a sign of ignorance! Or do you think COD or even battlefield invented unlockables? They didn't so cut the crap.
And only because you can leap out from behind cover doesn't mean it will be anything like COD. Also if anything then battlefield stole the long running mechanism from Red Orchestra, because since RO hit the shelfs all FPS started to have longer(or even unlimited like in BF:BC2) stamina.

Believe it or not, but Tripwire is listening to its fanbase and is NOT going to release a freaking COD clone! Also the tankbattles will be nothing like in battlefield and you would know that if you would have played Red Orchestra Ostront

Autocrat
07-23-2011, 01:54 PM
You guys simply don't know what you are speaking of. Tripwire has a way better understanding of how their game is supposed to work than you will ever have.

Saying RO2 will be like COD only because of unlockables is simply a sign of ignorance! Or do you think COD or even battlefield invented unlockables? They didn't so cut the crap.
And only because you can leap out from behind cover doesn't mean it will be anything like COD. Also if anything then battlefield stole the long running mechanism from Red Orchestra, because since RO hit the shelfs all FPS started to have longer(or even unlimited like in BF:BC2) stamina.

Believe it or not, but Tripwire is listening to its fanbase and is NOT going to release a freaking COD clone! Also the tankbattles will be nothing like in battlefield and you would know that if you would have played Red Orchestra Ostront
No. Believe it or not but Tripwire cares for its profits.

AeneasXI
07-23-2011, 02:24 PM
No. Believe it or not but Tripwire cares for its profits.

Believe it or not but caring about your profits doesn't mean you will do a COD clone or make your game into one.

Silverkite
07-23-2011, 02:57 PM
You guys simply don't know what you are speaking of. Tripwire has a way better understanding of how their game is supposed to work than you will ever have.

Saying RO2 will be like COD only because of unlockables is simply a sign of ignorance! Or do you think COD or even battlefield invented unlockables? They didn't so cut the crap.
And only because you can leap out from behind cover doesn't mean it will be anything like COD. Also if anything then battlefield stole the long running mechanism from Red Orchestra, because since RO hit the shelfs all FPS started to have longer(or even unlimited like in BF:BC2) stamina.

Believe it or not, but Tripwire is listening to its fanbase and is NOT going to release a freaking COD clone! Also the tankbattles will be nothing like in battlefield and you would know that if you would have played Red Orchestra Ostront

I used to play on tank maps only servers both on Red Orchestra and Darkest Hour and leaving DH apart I can say that vanilla tanking system on Red Orchestra is crap,once your T-34/85 is parked and well angled there is no way to took it out with a Tiger or a Panther,is even worse if you are facing an IS2.The AB mutator managed to cool down some aspects of the ping pong matches that were happening with vanilla but still a mere T-34/76 was able to substain and survive to multiple 88 rounds fired from point blank,not to mention that a single shot fired from it was enough to destroy a Tiger or a Panther.Really the tank system on Red Orchestra was and still is a mere joke.Darkest Hour tank code is or better say was a tad better at least on 4.0,now on beta 5.0 the lolpapercats are back and there are some bugs here and there for british vehicles that were present on Beta 3.0 and removed on Beta 4.0,they said that 4.0 code was compromised,that guns and armor were not working as they were supposed to be but now angling a Tiger doesn't mean too much,plus is full of clowns that were on Red Orchestra.So as for now playing DH it's just playing Alte Zieglei,Debrecen or other maps that were good until someone started to clown or give advantage to one side.

Who started with unlocks?Well I don't know,maybe WOW?Maybe America's Army with their training schools?Maybe Battlecrap 2?I don't know,at that time I was too busy playing Operation Flashpoint and Armed Assault,away from unlocks,away from stats padders,away from anything but the first Call of Duty cause for me it lasted til CuF guys closed their Base Assault servers.Other CoDs were a no buy for me cause the lack of tanks and Base Assault mode.

Having unlocks,having to follow a strict set of rules or forced to play on certain servers with a certain amount of people,on whitelisted maps only to farm or grind a mere bayonet,a weapon,a medal or whatever on a FPS for me is a joke or an invitation to break their rules and unlock things using SAM or playing on certain maps or servers like people do/did on Killing Floor.

Why I have used SAM with Killing Floor?Simply because I wanted to enjoying the game as it was supposed to be,so noobing around with higher difficult settings,going on a rampage or wanking around without worring to farm or grind anything.The farming part for me lasted two hours,then I used SAM to maximize my perks and forget about it.

Do you think that I'm going to farm points on ROHoS to get a bayo or some optics?I really don't think so,even if they have found a way to disable SAM I will wait for some other application to get them and enjoy the game on custom sniper servers,sadly I can't say custom tank servers cause as I have said 2 tanks even if there are going to be 32vs32 tank battles is not enough/good for me.

Yoshiro
07-23-2011, 03:08 PM
We take cheating very seriously.

But at the same time we like to provide our users options. In RO 2, if you don't want to use the ranking or advancements systems you do not have to. You can use a mutator to play the game however you like as well if you do not find the options to play the way you like.

Here is a recent post by Ramm on the realism settings as well:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=774376&postcount=43

But two on topic pieces of information:

5) In Realism/Custom mode without unlocks/rare weapons will the players be issued common equipment such as bayonets and PPSH-41 drums? Will servers be able to choose which specific weapons or unlocks are unavailable?
In custom mode you have a lot of different options. You can limit which weapons, and which levels of ranking are available. So if you don't want the rare weapons, you can tell the server not to allow them. If you don't want guys to have "perks" or any ranking benefits, then you can limit that. I don't think there are any settings to force things on though. In realism mode however, it is going to be set up where only the historically correct classes are equipped with pistols.


6) Are there any plans for an "RO Classic" game mode (Realism but with no player progression, no rare weapons and no unlocks)? Or is this what the Realism mode is going to be?
No there is not a plan for this. To be perfectly honest with you, most of the RO1 players coming into the beta love the new game so much it doesn't really seem necessary. Although you can accomplish most of these things with different settings in the Custom mode.

FreeIL
07-23-2011, 03:52 PM
We take cheating very seriously.

But at the same time we like to provide our users options. In RO 2, if you don't want to use the ranking or advancements systems you do not have to. You can use a mutator to play the game however you like as well if you do not find the options to play the way you like.

Here is a recent post by Ramm on the realism settings as well:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=774376&postcount=43

But two on topic pieces of information:

5) In Realism/Custom mode without unlocks/rare weapons will the players be issued common equipment such as bayonets and PPSH-41 drums? Will servers be able to choose which specific weapons or unlocks are unavailable?
In custom mode you have a lot of different options. You can limit which weapons, and which levels of ranking are available. So if you don't want the rare weapons, you can tell the server not to allow them. If you don't want guys to have "perks" or any ranking benefits, then you can limit that. I don't think there are any settings to force things on though. In realism mode however, it is going to be set up where only the historically correct classes are equipped with pistols.


6) Are there any plans for an "RO Classic" game mode (Realism but with no player progression, no rare weapons and no unlocks)? Or is this what the Realism mode is going to be?
No there is not a plan for this. To be perfectly honest with you, most of the RO1 players coming into the beta love the new game so much it doesn't really seem necessary. Although you can accomplish most of these things with different settings in the Custom mode.



All RO1 players will come to the beta?
i just have to play this game :D:D:D:D

Socialist Ninja
07-25-2011, 03:49 PM
A couple years ago I did the battle of Stalingrad as a school project in my German class.I have always found this battle interesting and have had a lot of fun with RO1. I will probably preorder if there's a discount or a killing floor character like the ball.

Imlunch
08-01-2011, 08:56 PM
I have never heard of Red Orchestra and I am relatively new to PC gaming...

Well save up that paper round money it's a great game and still worth getting.

Toad213
08-02-2011, 05:54 AM
I was surprised to see this on steam-- I bought the original game and played for no more than 5 hours. Just couldn't get into and the servers were dead.

Servers werent dead when I bought it, it just had different gameplay

AeneasXI
08-08-2011, 04:19 PM
A couple years ago I did the battle of Stalingrad as a school project in my German class.I have always found this battle interesting and have had a lot of fun with RO1. I will probably preorder if there's a discount or a killing floor character like the ball.

yeah exactly. it is nice that they concentrate on Stalingrad.
RO1 was great and the best map in my opinion was the Stalingrad map! =]