Pc Gaming Is dying quickly..

[Strikere]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

[UrbsTheWord]

PS3.

PS3

[Staticenz]

If you're gonna do it, do it right:

PS3

[ADZ2991]

PS3, i play black ops with no issues on PS3.

[Mordwyrhta]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

[clonk]

I suggest you switch forums.

[Sifr]

As someone who owns all the consoles: XBox 360. There are, maybe, five platform-exclusive titles worth getting on the PS3. I've owned one since launch (yes, I paid $700 for a PS3. Yes, I'm an idiot. But hey, I get full backwards-compatibility for the metric ton of PS1 and PS2 games I own!).

The only real use it gets is as a Blu-Ray player. There have been extremely few times when I've felt compelled to purchase something for the PS3 over the 360.

[Staticenz]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

On the bright side, if you have the money to burn- You can get a near perfect kb+mouse experience on Xbox or PS3 with the XIM. Plus you get the added satisfaction of pissing off all the console gamers with lawl thumbstick controls (although they are better with those things than you might expect. aim-assist ftl)

[Razex]

a wii

[_S_E_R_G_]

dying? quickly?
ha!

p.s. PS3

[SS|-VoRTeX-|]

Xbox 360 > PS3 gaming wise.

[Muridias1]

http://i.imgur.com/77in1.jpeg

[TheFobb]

Sports.

[Zimzypoo]

The online experience on the xbox 360 is much better and the graphics are generally better, you don't get a blu-ray but the choice is yours. Also xbox has bigger community.
I recommend xbox if your going to switch, i have a ps3/xbox/pc

[Sifr]

The online experience on the xbox 360 is much better and the graphics are generally better, you don't get a blu-ray but the choice is yours. Also xbox has bigger community.
I recommend xbox if your going to switch, i have a ps3/xbox/pc

Hey, you can get an HD-DVD addon for the XBox! :)

[Staticenz]

Honestly, I own both, and I play my kid's Wii far more often than either of them.

[Plaguebeast]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

FPS on consoles; oh man. That is a great laugh. If you want to spend money so bad, invest in a firearm and go shooting with friends twice a month.

[WiLLmaTiC]

Xbox 360, unless your trying to be all MLG Prosauce then get a PS3 cause thats what MLG is using

[Drayzun]

The online experience on the xbox 360 is much better and the graphics are generally better, you don't get a blu-ray but the choice is yours. Also xbox has bigger community.
I recommend xbox if your going to switch, i have a ps3/xbox/pc

Don't even pay attention to this ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

PS3 has better AF, therefore better graphics.

[Sifr]

Honestly, I own both, and I play my kid's Wii far more often than either of them.

Yeah, things like Boom Blox are really fun. I have to admit my Wii sees a lot more use than my XBox or PS3. Right now, it goes like this at my house:

PS3: Blu-Ray movies
XBox: Netflix streaming
Wii: games

[Strikere]

PS3 vs Xbox 360 Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRaYXHHCgxo

Wow good video looks like ps3 rocks

[GMAN51]

Consoles lack quality inputs, powerful hard ware, good communication options, dedicated servers, and you pay monthly for that horrible p2p connection in games.

Basically, consoles blow.

[zezzex]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

What bizzaro world are you from? I love PC gaming, but to think pc gaming outsells console games...you must be living in you own little world.

No, consoles are not turning in pc's. They have pc like parts and interfaces, but the reason console are a common household item for non-tech people, is because it's simple to setup and with it's simple interfaces, any dummy can use it

I love pc gaming, and i hope it never goes away, but i'm not delusional and going to think console gaming is not the largest part of the gaming market.

[Zimzypoo]

Don't even pay attention to this ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

PS3 has better AF, therefore better graphics.

i assure you xbox 360 has better graphics in most cases, most of the time it may be negligible but look at some comparisons yourself. Besides the point even if the graphics on the 360 were worst, there online xbox live more than makes up for it, especially if you are a multiplayer gamer such as myself.

[Sifr]

PS3 vs Xbox 360 Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRaYXHHCgxo

Wow good video looks like ps3 rocks

All the features in the world mean nothing if the games you want to play aren't available for the console (or, in many cases, are cheaper for the XBox when it's available on both the XBox and the PS3).

[nuxxer]

If you are a half decent pc gamer or have been playing fps on pc for a while trying to play FPS on a thumbstick is just pathetic.. watch videos of 'pro' console gamers and its like they are robots.

Autoaim in fps.. ok.

[crawlgsx]

What bizzaro world are you from? I love PC gaming, but to think pc gaming outsells console games...you must be living in you own little world.

No, consoles are not turning in pc's. They have pc like parts and interfaces, but the reason console are a common household item for non-tech people, is because it's simple to setup and with it's simple interfaces, any dummy can use it

I love pc gaming, and i hope it never goes away, but i'm not delusional and going to think console gaming is not the largest part of the gaming market.

You forgot insanely cheaper. I spent as much on my Video card as what I could get both a 360 and ps3 for now.

I much prefer the 360, like mentioned above the PS3 is awesome if you need a blu-ray player anyway, but if its gaming experience you seek, 360 ftw. I sold my ps3 after a while, I just never used it.

[Mordwyrhta]

What bizzaro world are you from? I love PC gaming, but to think pc gaming outsells console games...you must be living in you own little world.

No, consoles are not turning in pc's. They have pc like parts and interfaces, but the reason console are a common household item for non-tech people, is because it's simple to setup and with it's simple interfaces, any dummy can use it

I love pc gaming, and i hope it never goes away, but i'm not delusional and going to think console gaming is not the largest part of the gaming market.

Actually it's true. The sales numbers we see don't account for online sales. Online sales make up the majority of PC gaming sales at this point by a colossal margin.

When they looked into online sales using estimates of D2D and Steam sales along with microtransactions and subscriptions, they found that PC games outsell any single console, but not all consoles combined.

WoW's sub numbers alone are a massive income of money.

[2IS]

Actually it's true. The sales numbers we see don't account for online sales. Online sales make up the majority of PC gaming sales at this point by a colossal margin.

When they looked into online sales using estimates of D2D and Steam sales along with microtransactions and subscriptions, they found that PC games outsell any single console, but not all consoles combined.

WoW's sub numbers alone are a massive income of money.

That's what I call bull♥♥♥♥. Who is "they"?

[Nethlem]

What bizzaro world are you from? I love PC gaming, but to think pc gaming outsells console games...you must be living in you own little world.

No, consoles are not turning in pc's. They have pc like parts and interfaces, but the reason console are a common household item for non-tech people, is because it's simple to setup and with it's simple interfaces, any dummy can use it

I love pc gaming, and i hope it never goes away, but i'm not delusional and going to think console gaming is not the largest part of the gaming market.

PC gaming is more then the AAA retail market, you might wanna check out this post:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18648025&postcount=20

And that's just the major third party publishers not even counting the huge asian MMO sector, social games, or countless indies. Full market studies show that PC gaming on it's own can easily compete with every single console platform out there.

PC Gaming is doing by far better then most "stock market analysts" wanna make you believe for their own sake.


To stay on topic:
If you like paying monthly money for P2P multiplayer go with an xbox360. But the XBL subscription alone makes the 360 my lesser choise, not to mention that the PS3 has imho a better and more diverse collection of exclusives you can't get on PC.

[Mordwyrhta]

That's what I call bull♥♥♥♥. Who is "they"?

The Gaming PC Alliance, a group of developers who are trying to dispell myths about PC gaming.

SAN RAMON, Calif. – August 2, 2010 – The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a nonprofit corporation dedicated to driving the worldwide growth of PC gaming, today unveiled its Horizons Hardware research report, an exclusive research study encompassing major aspects of the PC gaming hardware industry worldwide.
Among the key findings: Annual shipment volumes for the PC Gaming hardware market in 2009 were over two times larger than the combined Wii™, PlayStation® 2, PlayStation® 3 and Xbox 360® console units shipped in the same period. This trend for the PC Gaming hardware market to outpace all console shipments combined is expected to continue through the forecasted period of the research. In addition, revenues from consumer PCs capable of gaming that shipped with a discrete GPU (excludes Netbooks and integrated graphics-based PCs) totaled approximately $54.6 billion in 2009 and are forecasted to grow to $61.3 billion by 2014. These revenue figures are based on an estimated 61.5 million PCs (Desktop and Laptops) shipped in 2009 that can largely be associated with PC gaming as a key usage scenario.

That's the report that shows that PC gaming hardware outsells consoles by double.

Still trying to find the report on games I had seen quoted on this forum a week ago.

[bowlingotter]

I game primarily on PC, but I have a decent number of games for PS3 and Xbox 360 as well. As far as picking between the consoles, you wouldn't be disappointed with either one. Pick the one your friends play on.

[Nethlem]

Still trying to find the report on games I had seen quoted on this forum a week ago.

Not sure which one you are talking about but i can supply one of my own:

http://www.morgsys.de/Forschung_Projekte/PUR%20117.pdf

(it's german the important stuff is on page 28)

"Estimated global revenue: Ca. 40-50 Billion US-$ collective.

Ca. 27-35 Billion US-$ Console Games (including 8,5-10 Billion US-$ portable games.)

Ca. 9,5-12 Billion US-$ PC Games (including 6,5 Billion US-$ PC Online games)"

Or to sum it up:

All consoles: 18,5-25 Billion US-$ (these numbers also include Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube as these system still sell very well in some regions)

PC Games:
9,5-12 Billion US-$

[crazycanuck]

Its apparently been Dying since 2001...LOL..




Links:
Is PC Gaming Dying? (http://pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html) [IGN, 2001]
Is PC gaming in trouble? Thoughts please (http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=719255&view=unread) [Ars Technica. 2003]
Is DOS Gaming Dead? (http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=89) [Monster Hardware, 2004]
Death of the PC? (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=150316) [CVG, 2006]
The Loop: Is PC Gaming Dead? (http://g4tv.com/videos/13454/the-loop-is-pc-gaming-dead/) [Attack of the Show, 2006]
PC Gaming is Dead (http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/18-12-2007-223.html) [Videogamer.com, 2007]
'Gears of War' Creator Update: Slams 'Insular' Game Developers, Puts Consoles As Epic's Priority #1, Confronts Consequences Of Loving 'Zack & Wiki' (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/13/gears-of-war-creator-update/) [MTV Multiplayer, 2008]
Epic's Mark And CliffyB Explains What PC Gaming Alliance Means For Gamers — 'Disarray' Dismissed (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/epics-mark-and-cliffyb-explains-what-pc-gaming-alliance-means-for-gamers-disarray-dismissed/) [MTV Multiplayer]
Is PC Gaming Dying? Or Thriving? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23800152/) [MSNBC, 2008]
Valve Interview Part 1: Doug Lombardi on PC Gaming (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=873) [Shacknews, 2008]
The Life Support (http://oakstout.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-support.html) [The Oakstout, 2009]

[Mordwyrhta]

Its apparently been Dying since 2001...LOL..




Links:
Is PC Gaming Dying? (http://pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html) [IGN, 2001]
Is PC gaming in trouble? Thoughts please (http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=719255&view=unread) [Ars Technica. 2003]
Is DOS Gaming Dead? (http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=89) [Monster Hardware, 2004]
Death of the PC? (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=150316) [CVG, 2006]
The Loop: Is PC Gaming Dead? (http://g4tv.com/videos/13454/the-loop-is-pc-gaming-dead/) [Attack of the Show, 2006]
PC Gaming is Dead (http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/18-12-2007-223.html) [Videogamer.com, 2007]
'Gears of War' Creator Update: Slams 'Insular' Game Developers, Puts Consoles As Epic's Priority #1, Confronts Consequences Of Loving 'Zack & Wiki' (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/13/gears-of-war-creator-update/) [MTV Multiplayer, 2008]
Epic's Mark And CliffyB Explains What PC Gaming Alliance Means For Gamers — 'Disarray' Dismissed (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/epics-mark-and-cliffyb-explains-what-pc-gaming-alliance-means-for-gamers-disarray-dismissed/) [MTV Multiplayer]
Is PC Gaming Dying? Or Thriving? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23800152/) [MSNBC, 2008]
Valve Interview Part 1: Doug Lombardi on PC Gaming (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=873) [Shacknews, 2008]
The Life Support (http://oakstout.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-support.html) [The Oakstout, 2009]

PC gaming took Second Chance.

[beerbeer]

If you're an old-time PC FPS gamer, you're going to cringe playing these types of games on a console control. It's miserable at first; you'll eventually get use to it, but it just feels so much slower and clunky. I guess if you never played on a PC to begin with you wouldn't notice the difference, but if you played both, you'll understand what I'm saying.

[11Bulletcatcher]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

2005 called,they want their x-box and dx9 graphics back..

PS: Is it me that have a faulty memory or do this cycle always sort of..repeat itself everytime the current generation of consoles is getting older?

in any case its the PS3 and xbox that you can contend is dying ..PC will always be the most flexible durable platform ,hell you cant even make a game without one.. when you think abt it the x-box and PS3 are actually nothing but small PC's with limited features..plus their not getting any younger exactly..by this time with the old xbox we had an announcement of the next gen console already..noticed the lack of that now?


Downside is that very much money is poured into console gaming,due to studios being bought up by big cooperations that DEMAND this and that game ..pronto tonto so they can please their shareholders.

And we get a sort of a technical quagmire like were in now ,with shoddy console ports and poor coding..

(Yes im looking at you treyarch,and hirering metrosexuals with an attitude to promote a game about the military doesnt exactly help your credibility,you people are making games out what real servicemen have really gone trough..and that includes in general several members of my family and myself ..so at least deliver what you promise your damn customers,the other issues is for another day)

[Cyzthur]

(Yes im looking at you treyarch,and hirering metrosexuals with an attitude to promote a game about the military doesnt exactly help your credibility,you people are making games out what real servicemen have really gone trough..and that includes in general several members of my family and myself ..so at least deliver what you promise your damn customers,the other issues is for another day)


Hahah, JD and 402 make you uncomfortable Bullet? Maybe you're...nevermind.

[VistaSStoned69]

On the bright side, if you have the money to burn- You can get a near perfect kb+mouse experience on Xbox or PS3 with the XIM. Plus you get the added satisfaction of jarateing off all the console gamers with lawl thumbstick controls (although they are better with those things than you might expect. aim-assist ftl)

Wait you can use keyboard mouse to play fps games on ps3 or X360?? ?? how since wen lol
That`s the only reason i don`t use a console

found some more info: http://obsiv.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!948789BF56FAF394!282.entry?wa=wsignin1.0&sa=849607150

BTW this is a mod and is not endorse (as fare as i know) by Xbox or PS3

I think this will be the future of gaming(i feel dirty for saying that) this way we will have no issues wen it come to compatibility with hardware and software as we all know, no two computers are the same..

But .. if there no more Pc gaming what will all the video card and cpu manufactures do? .. maybe this wont be the end, maybe game company will just find a new way of coding there game so we the user has less issues .. idk just throwing some ideal in the air..

[CrazyMaxil]

PS3 an Xbox, and PC so u'll play all game in the world, oh, i forgot Wii XD
and why are u asking? pc gamers using pc, console gamers holywaring xbox vs ps3

[BioFlakes]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

yeah pc totally outsells the consoles with its 5% total sales, is that why they focus on consoles more these days?

OT: I have both, a 360 and a ps3 and i have to say if you want a bigger community and usually slightly better graphics, go with a 360. But if you like games like lpb2, uncharted 2 or gt5 go with ps3.
and by the way, i'm not saying xbox has always better graphics, it's just for loads of multiplatform games like that, which is fact.

[Cyzthur]

yeah pc totally outsells the consoles with its 5% total sales, is that why they focus on consoles more these days?

I don't care if they focus on consoles...just make the pc game a worthy purchase, fix the bugs, sell us a quality product and not a shoddy port.

[BHC Drago]

PC Gaming is far better, I think the real question is, is SUPPORT for PC Gaming dead.

[11Bulletcatcher]

Hahah, JD and 402 make you uncomfortable Bullet? Maybe you're...nevermind.
But..I tought you loved me no matter how I turned out..:P

Oh and isnt metrosexuals the ones that doesnt take it up the yoo hoo?

[Spiny]

As well as a PC I have a PS3. Found that the exclusives on PS3 were more different to the PC than the 360, so the two systems complement each other better.

[M1dz]

Girlfriend

[Slomoshun]

THE ONLY

REASON

I would ever buy a console is for Killzone 3.

And I highly doubt I'll even do that

[11Bulletcatcher]

Girlfriend

Whatever you like to call that tennis-sock you keep under your bed,is your buisness..no need to post abt it..

[Fire488]

Its apparently been Dying since 2001...LOL..




Links:
Is PC Gaming Dying? (http://pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html) [IGN, 2001]
Is PC gaming in trouble? Thoughts please (http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=719255&view=unread) [Ars Technica. 2003]
Is DOS Gaming Dead? (http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=89) [Monster Hardware, 2004]
Death of the PC? (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=150316) [CVG, 2006]
The Loop: Is PC Gaming Dead? (http://g4tv.com/videos/13454/the-loop-is-pc-gaming-dead/) [Attack of the Show, 2006]
PC Gaming is Dead (http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/18-12-2007-223.html) [Videogamer.com, 2007]
'Gears of War' Creator Update: Slams 'Insular' Game Developers, Puts Consoles As Epic's Priority #1, Confronts Consequences Of Loving 'Zack & Wiki' (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/13/gears-of-war-creator-update/) [MTV Multiplayer, 2008]
Epic's Mark And CliffyB Explains What PC Gaming Alliance Means For Gamers — 'Disarray' Dismissed (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/epics-mark-and-cliffyb-explains-what-pc-gaming-alliance-means-for-gamers-disarray-dismissed/) [MTV Multiplayer]
Is PC Gaming Dying? Or Thriving? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23800152/) [MSNBC, 2008]
Valve Interview Part 1: Doug Lombardi on PC Gaming (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=873) [Shacknews, 2008]
The Life Support (http://oakstout.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-support.html) [The Oakstout, 2009]

I have been reading all of this since back then, but what has died for the most part is the "true" PC game. There are only a few titles out there that are PC only. ArmA, and the original BF series series are good examples to name a few and I support their efforts. Most of the new games are just console ports that translate to a very underrated gaming experience in my book.

I really don't like consoles because I can't use a controller. I wish they had mouse, keyboard support. I would miss vent, the websites, the dedicated servers, etc. plus I like the PC gaming community overall and I support them as well. I guess if people went over to the consoles the game developers would be very happy not having to produce a PC version of their games.

The day PC gaming comes to end I will just get a life and start living again. No consoles for me.

[leimone]

Another stupid thread.
CoD might be dying on the PC, but that's the _ONLY_ game.
CS still have millions of active people, and it will remain like that.
And now, to the best part.. all the "big" MMORPG games are PC only.
If you want to play CoD or Halo perhaps, then sure go and buy a 360 or PS3.

[stillmatic07]

Sega Genesis

[11Bulletcatcher]

I have been reading all of this since back then, but what has died for the most part is the "true" PC game. There are only a few titles out there that are PC only. ArmA, and the original BF series series are good examples to name a few and I support their efforts. Most of the new games are just console ports that translate to a very underrated gaming experience in my book.

I really don't like consoles because I can't use a controller. I wish they had mouse, keyboard support. I would miss vent, the websites, the dedicated servers, etc. plus I like the PC gaming community overall and I support them as well. I guess if people went over to the consoles the game developers would be very happy not having to produce a PC version of their games.

The day PC gaming comes to end I will just get a life and start living again. No consoles for me.

The trick is to combine gaming and your life..hell I see video games as just another thing making civvie street inhabitable:P

As for the doom and gloom links from 01..what i say..were going trough this every time the consoles are starting to live on borrowed time..
ay

[Sifr]

Sega Genesis

Bah. Dreamcast, with the VGA adapter and Ethernet connector.

[Von Hammler Koq]

Its apparently been Dying since 2001...LOL..




Links:
Is PC Gaming Dying? (http://pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html) [IGN, 2001]
Is PC gaming in trouble? Thoughts please (http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=719255&view=unread) [Ars Technica. 2003]
Is DOS Gaming Dead? (http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=89) [Monster Hardware, 2004]
Death of the PC? (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=150316) [CVG, 2006]
The Loop: Is PC Gaming Dead? (http://g4tv.com/videos/13454/the-loop-is-pc-gaming-dead/) [Attack of the Show, 2006]
PC Gaming is Dead (http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/18-12-2007-223.html) [Videogamer.com, 2007]
'Gears of War' Creator Update: Slams 'Insular' Game Developers, Puts Consoles As Epic's Priority #1, Confronts Consequences Of Loving 'Zack & Wiki' (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/13/gears-of-war-creator-update/) [MTV Multiplayer, 2008]
Epic's Mark And CliffyB Explains What PC Gaming Alliance Means For Gamers — 'Disarray' Dismissed (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/epics-mark-and-cliffyb-explains-what-pc-gaming-alliance-means-for-gamers-disarray-dismissed/) [MTV Multiplayer]
Is PC Gaming Dying? Or Thriving? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23800152/) [MSNBC, 2008]
Valve Interview Part 1: Doug Lombardi on PC Gaming (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=873) [Shacknews, 2008]
The Life Support (http://oakstout.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-support.html) [The Oakstout, 2009]

LULZ, yeah, I remember getting, I think it was Edge, a magazine back when the PSX was first announced in 95 I believe. I was rocking a Computer and a SNES, my sister a Mega Drive, and all the talk was with the new Digital disc console platform, PC gaming was about on its last legs (they included Amiga and so on with PC gaming).

Well, who can name all the amazing games since 95? Point is PC gaming is always dying for some reason. I used to think publishers wanted everyone on consoles because its cheaper and easy to control (it isnt, I know loads of people selling pirated PS3/360 games), but the insane money in PC gaming is still wanted.

Who is going to turn away from PC gaming when PC players are paying in the billions for games? ♥♥♥♥, I will make PC games, give me your BILLIONZ!

[Mordwyrhta]

yeah pc totally outsells the consoles with its 5% total sales, is that why they focus on consoles more these days?

OT: I have both, a 360 and a ps3 and i have to say if you want a bigger community and usually slightly better graphics, go with a 360. But if you like games like lpb2, uncharted 2 or gt5 go with ps3.
and by the way, i'm not saying xbox has always better graphics, it's just for loads of multiplatform games like that, which is fact.

Those sales numbers are RETAIL sales.

No self respecting PC gamer buys a boxed game anymore, it's ALL online and it crushes any single console in sales.

PC gaming has matured into a totally virtual realm and since the NPR sales charts don't track online sales, they're worthless for determining the popularity of a given platform.

[11Bulletcatcher]

Bah. Dreamcast, with the VGA adapter and Ethernet connector.

My Nintendo 8 bits mops the floor with those two:P

[Sifr]

My Nintendo 8 bits mops the floor with those two:P

My VHF Pong console laughs at your nintendo.

[rusik84]

I will probably never understand how people can play FPS on consoles!? :/
My brother has PS3 and he plays Blops all the time. I tried a few times too, but it sucks! But it is nice to have console, to play for example Mortal Kombat :)

[SpunkyKuma]

Been a PC gamer for 15+ years (C64 and Apple II before that), in the late 90's-early 2000's PC gaming was huge but in the past few years (actually since 2005-6 with the boom of the XBOX 360 and PS3), the number of PC gamers and PC game sales has been slowly dropping. What keeps PC gaming alive are those MMORPG games, there aren't as many FPS games to choose from on PC anymore and there certainly aren't that many sports and racing games compared to console. Back then there was UT2K*, RTCW, ET:W, Quake series, Half-Life and its mods, HL2 and its mods, Madden and NHL series every year. But these days the only thing that really sells on PC are the Call of Duty series and World of Warcraft, everything else is hardly competition.

I got my 360 so I can play the EA sports series (EA sports for PC got worse over the years, not better) and good racing titles as well as console exclusive titles like Bad Company, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and Call of Duty 3.

I much prefer PC for FPS gaming, but if the next generation console allows mouse/keyboard, I'm all for it, I'm not into upgrading my fricking PC every 6 months anymore and I've self-built PC's since the 90's and it gets a bit consuming.

Oh yeah the Dreamcast, I still have it in my closet with the mouse & keyboard, I used to fire up the web browser and IRC chat on it and I even have a NetBSD port DVD-R for it. I owned a NES, SNES, Sega, Genesis, PS1, Dreamcast and now XBOX 360.

[11Bulletcatcher]

My VHF Pong console laughs at your nintendo.
You win this round VHF pong...you win this round..

[11Bulletcatcher]

I will probably never understand how people can play FPS on consoles!? :/
My brother has PS3 and he plays Blops all the time. I tried a few times too, but it sucks! But it is nice to have console, to play for example Mortal Kombat :)

FPS on console is like a bicycle with the small wheels attached on the side..

[Mordwyrhta]

Been a PC gamer for 15+ years (C64 and Apple II before that), in the late 90's-early 2000's PC gaming was huge but in the past few years (actually since 2005-6 with the boom of the XBOX 360 and PS3), the number of PC gamers and PC game sales has been slowly dropping. What keeps PC gaming alive are those MMORPG games, there aren't as many FPS games to choose from on PC anymore and there certainly aren't that many sports and racing games compared to console. Back then there was UT2K*, RTCW, ET:W, Quake series, Half-Life and its mods, HL2 and its mods, Madden and NHL series every year. But these days the only thing that really sells on PC are the Call of Duty series and World of Warcraft, everything else is hardly competition.

I got my 360 so I can play the EA sports series (EA sports for PC got worse over the years, not better) and good racing titles as well as console exclusive titles like Bad Company, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and Call of Duty 3.

I much prefer PC for FPS gaming, but if the next generation console allows mouse/keyboard, I'm all for it, I'm not into upgrading my fricking PC every 6 months anymore and I've self-built PC's since the 90's and it gets a bit consuming.

Oh yeah the Dreamcast, I still have it in my closet with the mouse & keyboard, I used to fire up the web browser and IRC chat on it and I even have a NetBSD port DVD-R for it. I owned a NES, SNES, Sega, Genesis, PS1, Dreamcast and now XBOX 360.

One thing to point out: There's just less shooters in general.

It's not like consoles have a bunch of good shooters we'd want on PC.

The shooter market got over saturated in the early 2000's so now we just have a handful of big franchises.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't play Halo or Killzone on my PC even if I could. They're fundamentally bad games.

[BlazingNova]

The graphics are generally better on 360

Don't spread lies :(

[SpunkyKuma]

One thing to point out: There's just less shooters in general.

It's not like consoles have a bunch of good shooters we'd want on PC.

The shooter market got over saturated in the early 2000's so now we just have a handful of big franchises.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't play Halo or Killzone on my PC even if I could. They're fundamentally bad games.

There's a handful of shooters on console, not that I'd play them but besides the COD series there's obviously the Bad Company series (and BF1943), Gears of War and Halo series, Fallout and Farcry, Uncharted, etc.

Not really a shooter, but GTA4 is the bomb on XBOX 360, on PC it runs like ♥♥♥♥.

[Mordwyrhta]

There's a handful of shooters on console, not that I'd play them but besides the COD series there's obviously the Bad Company series (and BF1943), Gears of War and Halo series, Fallout and Farcry, Uncharted, etc.

Not really a shooter, but GTA4 is the bomb on XBOX 360, on PC it runs like ♥♥♥♥.

Most of those are also on PC (BC2, Gears of War, Fallout and Farcry).

I was just saying that there aren't really any shooters only on console that are any good. The best shooters end up on both PC and console.

[Format-je]

atari

oh no the dont make that anymore ROFL

Nothing beats the keyboard and mouse of a pc

[bowlingotter]

Don't spread lies :(

For cross-platform titles, the Xbox 360 version generally have better lighting, framerate, textures, and less screen tearing. There are exceptions like Dragon Age: Origins and Final Fantasy XIII, but more often than not, the Xbox 360 version of cross-platform titles just look better and often perform better.

www.lensoftruth.com for anyone stubborn enough to disagree

[Smoglet]

OP, no it isn't, now off and away and buy a console to play with......'We' the PC community will be better for this decision of that I am sure.

[EviLCorsaiR]

You mean Call of Duty is dying on PC. There are plenty of other great FPS games on it.

And you're forgetting all the other game genres. MMORPGs are absolutely thriving on PC. I mean, look at WoW, it's got, what, 11 million active subscribers paying Blizzard money every month? Do the maths, it's like $10-$15 a month...that's a hell of a lotta money.

[Timmeh317]

PC gaming has been dying quickly for how many years now?

[bowlingotter]

PC gaming has been dying quickly for how many years now?

Approximately 9 and a half. It's kind of like in the 80s when they said that rap music was a passing fad.

[GeZoR]

http://i.imgur.com/77in1.jpeg

This.

[UOGSammich]

I disagree with the title of your thread, have fun with your terribad graphics.

[fawker]

I suggest you switch forums.

THIS!

got to admit it is a half decent troll though..

that being said if you want your console to last as long as possible go ps3.. xbox 360's just aren't manufactured / designed as well as the ps3

[Mordwyrhta]

Approximately 9 and a half. It's kind of like in the 80s when they said that rap music was a passing fad.

I can remember when death metal was "just a phase".

[Icey_Pain]

Buying a console for black ops is like buying a car for the rims.

Seriously, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are obviously outdated themselves, with hardware going back to 2006/2007. The only real adjustments that have been made to them so far is heat reduction.

The Cell core of the PS3 does have 8 cores, but do note that these so called cores are not cores that can do the same as a core from a desktop computer CPU.
They pretty much only specialise in double floatingpoint calculations.

The rest of the hardware in both the PS3 and Xbox360 is not all that good, that's why the console games always have this rediculous blur to them.

[Crashman]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

I disagree about PC Gaming dying, but for a console, I would suggest PS3. I have both and tend to prefer PS3. Xbox has a yearly charge if you want to play online, PS3 does not. On the other hand, I think the 360 controller is better for FPS games.

[kreed_uk]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii

You are gonna find that extremely difficult to backup.

[11Bulletcatcher]

Buying a console for black ops is like buying a car for the rims.

Seriously, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are obviously outdated themselves, with hardware going back to 2006/2007. The only real adjustments that have been made to them so far is heat reduction.

The Cell core of the PS3 does have 8 cores, but do note that these so called cores are not cores that can do the same as a core from a desktop computer CPU.
They pretty much only specialise in double floatingpoint calculations.

The rest of the hardware in both the PS3 and Xbox360 is not all that good, that's why the console games always have this rediculous blur to them.

2005 for the damn xbox..damn a five year old mini EZ-bake oven computer is able to run this game flawlessy and people with top notch PC's now or even meet the req etc.. etc cant run this or have problems..this is pretty insane if it aint getting fixed..a 5 year old high end PC from 2005 should technically be able to run this game..that would be like a single core or something? and 1gb ram etc

So yeah..consoles do kinda stagnate the development of new truly groundbreaking stuff..wich is a bummer to think of as a gamer.

[Mordwyrhta]

You are gonna find that extremely difficult to backup.

How about Steam, just Steam, knocking down 73 million dollars in a single month?

Market research firm Forecasting & Analyzing Digital Entertainment (FADE) released its October Steam sales report this morning, estimating Valve's digital platform generated more than $73 million in revenue for the month

That was just October, before Black Ops came out.

That's ONLY Steam.

[kreed_uk]

How about Steam, just Steam, knocking down 73 million dollars in a single month?


And you point is?? Call of Duty BO probably made more money on the consoles than Steam does in a month and at one point the xbox 360 had more BO players online than Steam has ever had.

PC gaming may not be dying but it's significance certainly is.

[Continental]

Because the major of the companies don't have any interest in PC.
Soo f*** them.

[Crickets]

I've had them all at this point. Xbox died awhile back, but the PS3, Wii, and PC are still doing fine. No plans of getting another Xbox, as the PS3 covers everything I need it to. Netflix, Blue-ray, Free online service (xbox charges).
Most of the exclusive games I want are also on PS3 (not that there are many exclusives these days). I think the xbox's biggest exclusive is HALO, but since I don't play FPS much on console its not a factor.
Another small note, I just like the PS3 controller better, as I played the hell out of my buddies PS1 back in the day, and got used to it.

[Encryption767]

PC gaming isn't dying. PC in general is evolving from being a tool for work that you must sit in front of a desk for to a home theater PC that you can use in the comfort of your living room. With more and more HD media becoming available over the internet you can bet that more and more people will start investing in HTPCs and since consoles by nature is a very closed system which cant be upgraded or controlled by the user then that will push them even further out of mind. To be honest consoles where obsolete the day they were sold on the market and if you were to buy all the gadgets you would need for most of the consoles then you might as well have bought a budget HTPC that can do that and more.

[SpunkyKuma]

$73 million just from Steam, when most of Steam's games are an average of $50-60 and that's about 1.2-1.5 million sales per month while console versions of the same games being sold on Steam are usually in around 5-6 million sales per month per game (console games costs $69 here, PC games are usually $49-59).

Console is on the rise and XBOX 360 games outsells the other platforms, the Wii is the highest selling console because it appeals to casual families which is why Microsoft and Sony came up with the human interaction additions in the past month so they can try and attract those Wii type players.

[Burbots Revenge]

no as long there a games like Civ 5 or other Sims for me its not dying..

[Cyzthur]

Pc gaming isn't dying. Counter Strike is the number one shooter in the world.

[Symbian]

COD isn't the only game on PC

[anwaypasible]

i think pc gaming is dying only because the graphics havent been upgraded in a while.

[ethicks]

PC gaming is not dying because of this one ♥♥♥♥ty console port. Games like diablo and starcraft, guildwars. There are so many games that are created for a keyboard and mouse that PC gaming is actually growing. Not to mention the "gaming" PC has been (and still is) the most sold "console" for the last 5 years.

[Nethlem]

You are gonna find that extremely difficult to backup.

How about you read everything that has been posted so far to see that there is actual data out there to back it up instead of claiming there isn't?

PC easily outdoes each single console system out there.
Sure if you add ALL console sales together and compare them vs PC then the picture looks different but it doesn't work that way. You don't combine the sales of 3 platforms and compare them to that of one 1 platform. You compare platform against platform and not "your favourite selection of platforms" vs 1 single platform.

Because believe it or not: Just because an game is out on wii doesn't mean it ends up easily on the 360. They are different systems alltogether that also require porting.

[Hi2u! Tw1TcH]

I consider myself a pretty hardcore PC guy, and I don't think that Black Ops disappointed at all.

Sniping is borderline pointless, although thats more of a gameplay criticism rather than having anything to do with consolization.

I can change my FoV to 80 (reasonable enough), there are dedicated servers (lacking some better admin tools, but reasonable), the actual ping number shows in servers for players (green bars are insulting), I can enable console and use commands like lagometer, rate, maxpackets, etc, there is no forced mouse accel or xbox button contexts left in.

It really doesn't take much to satisfy most of the PC players, which is also why most of us get so insulted when these basic fundamentals are lacking.

There is a lack of mod tools, so no custom maps are mods yet. Personally, I don't care much about those for CoD series as I prefer the core game untouched, which ironically is what I enjoyed about them locking down the server admin options so much. But I can definitely understand how that could be a turn off, having made maps for Source games before. If it wasn't for custom content in Source games, then I would have never gotten so much enjoyment out of them.

Overall, I don't view Black Ops as an insult to the PC community, it corrected alot of the errors that MW2 blatantly showcased. MW2 is an insult to PC gaming, hands down, probably alot of that is still lingering, but Black Ops is good enough in my opinion.

[DarkLiberator]

PC gaming isn't dead.

SUPPORT for PC Gaming is dead.

[NiNjAjs]

PC gaming will die when the PC dies.

Enough has been said.

... What doesn't help is when games like assassins creed get sold 5 months after xbox/ps3 releases.

[ShadowMan]

Just do yourself a favor and get yourself a Sega Saturn and don't let the door hit you behind the head again on your way out...

[Wreshles McGoo]

I would play on my PS3, but I just can't get into FPS on consoles. The only one I ever enjoyed was Goldeneye. Nothing beats the ol keyboard and mouse in my opinion. If we were able to use the ol k&m on consoles then I'd be all over it.

[kreed_uk]

How about you read everything that has been posted so far to see that there is actual data out there to back it up instead of claiming there isn't?

PC easily outdoes each single console system out there.
Sure if you add ALL console sales together and compare them vs PC then the picture looks different but it doesn't work that way. You don't combine the sales of 3 platforms and compare them to that of one 1 platform. You compare platform against platform and not "your favourite selection of platforms" vs 1 single platform.

Because believe it or not: Just because an game is out on wii doesn't mean it ends up easily on the 360. They are different systems alltogether that also require porting.

Huh??? where did I say I was combining?? I'm just talking about the Xbox 360 here. There's no point combining. Just look at Black Ops for instance.. Currently, it's the most popular title on Steam. I haven't seen the peak for players online reach more than 100,000. I'm obviously not saying the player peak equal total sales but compare that number to the xbox 360 2.2 million and I've seen numbers of 3 million.

http://www.1up.com/news/modern-warfare-2-breaks-sales

you do the math. In fact.. don't... Clame I said something else and argue against that instead.

[yooz1e]

COD BO is the only good sale on xbox? :)
So stupid to compare just one game. But love when the casual console players try to "convert" PC players.

xbox might have more COD players then PC, but I rather go for the quality of players rather then quantity :)

then again, why are the console gamers always on PC forum trying to lie to us that PC gaming is dying when it's not.The evidence is there - PC gaming is very much alive.

[BehindTimes]

Of course PC gaming is dying. It's been dying since at least 1981. One of my issues of Compute! even states this, so it must be true! And this was slightly before the release of the IBM PC, when the Apple II was all the rage! And we all know how gaming on Apple Computers is today!

[Sifr]

Of course PC gaming is dying. It's been dying since at least 1981. One of my issues of Compute! even states this, so it must be true! And this was slightly before the release of the IBM PC, when the Apple II was all the rage! And we all know how gaming on Apple Computers is today!

Hey, I've got a //e sitting right here, with a CP/M card, homebrew Ethernet card, hard card, and a bunch of Infocom and EA games in their original boxes! Oh, and Wizardry 1 and 2. Still runs fine!

I think I'm gonna go play a round of Choplifter.

[matvaynard]

PC gaming isn't dead.

SUPPORT for PC Gaming is dead.

I agree, PC Gaming is still strong and has been with us since the beginning. Also, the PC has more potential.

Sadly devs nowadays support consoles more, maybe for profit, as the market is more large on console gaming.

P.S. Choose PS3 for the question of the thread starter

[Erie Ed]

To the OP don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out...

[Strikere]

COD BO is the only good sale on xbox? :)
So stupid to compare just one game. But love when the casual console players try to "convert" PC players.

xbox might have more COD players then PC, but I rather go for the quality of players rather then quantity :)

then again, why are the console gamers always on PC forum trying to lie to us that PC gaming is dying when it's not.The evidence is there - PC gaming is very much alive.

where do see it alive 100,000 users on pc is alive?

[BC2 Cypher]

Consoles are slowly becoming pc's, so when the ps4 comes out I'm gettin off pc for good and gettin that.

I have have a ps3 and an xbox though as well.

PS3 is best.

[Undead]

Consoles are slowly becoming pc's, so when the ps4 comes out I'm gettin off pc for good and gettin that.

I have have a ps3 and an xbox though as well.

PS3 is best.

Consoles are older generation while PC's are newer generation.
PC's will have newer hardware available monthly while you can't exactly "upgrade" a console.

Kind of difficult basing your decisions solely on Black Ops, however I'm not saying that's exactly what you're doing. ;)

[FourTwenny]

PS3 is superior. The ports seem to work better on xbox, but the ps3 exclusives out perform pc games. I am not a fanboi. I have a i7-930 overclocked and watercooled and a GTX480. I know my gaming. The ps3s cell processor is so far ahead of it's time that most people just don't even understand it. Graphics are blah, but the overall physics the ps3 can dish out is insane. PC is so so so far behind. Crysis 2 is going to demonstrate this beyond any doubt. MAG already shows it. Move is the most accurate intuitive controller i have ever used. It is going to replace the mouse IMO.

There is no reason to not get a ps3 to be perfectly honest. Even if you are a pc gamer.

[backie]

ps3 isnt anything special crysis 2 is most likely going to be a shadow of its former self on the consoles, if the ps3 was so amazing then why did even crytek say the pc is going to have much better graphics/features then consoles + my core 2 cpu is better then some scrubby ps3 rofl

[TheOnerf]

Ps3 has better gfx than xbox 360, including black ops, it has better processing power, still nowdays they haven't really used all of it, while the xbox is already at its limits.

pc gaming isn't dead, and ain't gonna be dead anytime soon, just look at all the mmo's, specially world of warcraft, it beats anything console.(btw i don't play wow, think its pathetic to pay for a game and also have to pay to play it, sorta like 360's fees)

all devs go for the easy money, like providing dlc, pc gamers never really had to pay for new maps or dlc content, it all came in a patch of sorts, since consoles are locked down they can now charge for all that stuff. its just simple economics.

All the n00bs who can't win on pc decide 2 things, either cheat, or play on consoles. I find console gaming(primarily fps) to be on the rather easy side vs playing on the pc side, the devs dumb down the console game to make it easier for eveyone to play.

[backie]

also u must be pretty ♥♥♥♥ing bad to want to play an fps on a console its insulting that the xbox version has outdone the pc if only kids these days had half a brain

[aforumtotalkon1]

Actually it's true. The sales numbers we see don't account for online sales. Online sales make up the majority of PC gaming sales at this point by a colossal margin.

When they looked into online sales using estimates of D2D and Steam sales along with microtransactions and subscriptions, they found that PC games outsell any single console, but not all consoles combined.

WoW's sub numbers alone are a massive income of money.

PCs only make 10% of the sales.

I love PC gaming, but see the facts man.

[Undead]

LoL if you think PS3 is superior to PCs...

I got a PS3 when it first came out and enjoyed Resistance: FoM, until my console got stolen... However, I never left PC... PC is so much better and easier to use and can run games that blow PS3 away.

[breakd0wn]

PCs only make 10% of the sales.

I love PC gaming, but see the facts man.

10% of Black Ops sales. Not game sales overall. PC gaming is doing very well.

[FourTwenny]

ps3 isnt anything special crysis 2 is most likely going to be a shadow of its former self on the consoles, if the ps3 was so amazing then why did even crytek say the pc is going to have much better graphics/features then consoles + my core 2 cpu is better then some scrubby ps3 rofl

Most likely..... This is the problem with perceptions. You have made your decision before you have even made an observation. Graphics are like a paint job on a car. Simple people only see graphics are think that is everything. My i7-930 is not even fit to sit in the shadow of the ps3's cpu, so i am not sure how your c2d is.

You see, the ps3 has a cell processor. One main cpu clocked at 3.2ghz, and 7 active processors being commanded by the main. Each spe has it's own memory cache, and each can perform it's own task. They can be commanded to work together on a task as well. This is why the ps3 has a fps game that holds 256 on 1 map. It doesn't pooch out when tanks, bullet trails, smoke grenades, frag grenades, ect ect are all being used at once, by 256 different people.

If that was possible on PC, we would have it on PC. It is not possible with current PC technology though. The market is there, but developers can not make it happen on standard core based processors. As i said, PS3 is so far ahead of the curve, most people fail to see it.

When you look past the graphics, you realize that what is really important is the physics. How much can be happening at once. That is what the PS3 is boss with.

[backie]

the ps3's cpu dosnt even compare to an i7...seriously learn about hardware just cause it has 8 cores dosnt mean its x2 more powerfull look at amds 6 core its way behind the top i7s + it has been done on the pc there was planetside and that was ages ago on single core pcs that seem ancient now

[Meester Sneeky]

Don't leave the PC. It's not dying, and it's never going to die.

If you really insist on it though, go to the PS3. I can name LOTS of reasons why the PS3 is better than the xbox.

[kirbeh]

Go to console? That's treason.

[FourTwenny]

the ps3's cpu dosnt even compare to an i7...seriously learn about hardware just cause it has 8 cores dosnt mean its x2 more powerfull look at amds 6 core its way behind the top i7s + it has been done on the pc there was planetside and that was ages ago on single core pcs that seem ancient now

You do know that the i7s are 8 core processors in reality right? 4 physical cores and 4 virtual cores. That is why, well one of the reasons why, they smash the hexcore. The ps3 is not a core based processor at all though. It is a ppc processor. I do know my hardware, inside out. The cell processor has 1 core, and 8 spes. 7 active, 1 redundant in case of failure.

When a programmer develops something for the cell, it can not be done on a core based cpu. It is like apples and oranges. That is why a lot of ps3 games suck ♥♥♥. Lazy developers port them over and only make use of the 1 main 3.2ghz cpu inside the cell.

When you get past desktop computers, and start looking at super computers designed for specific tasks, you no longer deal with intel or amd based cpus. It's all IBM power. Intel's main pull is its flexibility. When all you want to do with your cpu is game.....how flexible do you really need it to be?

[Fatfinger]

PS3 and x360 are also PC, just lack of M/K and not upgradeable.
I play Bo on PS3 and PC, the low definition of texture on PC sucks. You can even see the 2D environment on PC version.

PC gaming is not dying, "Some" PC FPS might be. Don't forget MS transformed many PC FPS gamers to console via 1st Halo on original xbox.
It's true there are more FPS gamers on console.

[RSt]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

I'll never buy a console. They are, as posted ealier, just a weak PC. That said, a lot of people who use consoles seem to like the PS3, but, I would wait until 2011 to see what M$ comes out with on Kinetic, or whatever their new console is going to be. Also, you might want to research the pros/cons of the various consoles in Cosumers Reports-a subscriber only fueled mag; no ad support at all. They also have a web page here (which I have been suscribed to for 5 years):
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm
that costs $19.00 CDN anually to subscribe-more current than the magazine subscription and, at the very least, will arm you with the tools you need to make an informed purchasing decision.

[Fatfinger]

No, x360 and PS3 will last longer than expected. That's why Kinetic and PS move came out.

[PoIson895]

If you're an old-time PC FPS gamer, you're going to cringe playing these types of games on a console control. It's miserable at first; you'll eventually get use to it, but it just feels so much slower and clunky. I guess if you never played on a PC to begin with you wouldn't notice the difference, but if you played both, you'll understand what I'm saying.

Well obviously. Playing with a console controller has physical limitations. Mouse and keyboard, not so much, or at least not to anywhere near the same extent. I don't like being handicapped by crap like that. If I lose, it should be my fault, not the hardware's.

[PoIson895]

Most likely..... This is the problem with perceptions. You have made your decision before you have even made an observation. Graphics are like a paint job on a car. Simple people only see graphics are think that is everything. My i7-930 is not even fit to sit in the shadow of the ps3's cpu, so i am not sure how your c2d is.

You see, the ps3 has a cell processor. One main cpu clocked at 3.2ghz, and 7 active processors being commanded by the main. Each spe has it's own memory cache, and each can perform it's own task. They can be commanded to work together on a task as well. This is why the ps3 has a fps game that holds 256 on 1 map. It doesn't pooch out when tanks, bullet trails, smoke grenades, frag grenades, ect ect are all being used at once, by 256 different people.

If that was possible on PC, we would have it on PC. It is not possible with current PC technology though. The market is there, but developers can not make it happen on standard core based processors. As i said, PS3 is so far ahead of the curve, most people fail to see it.

When you look past the graphics, you realize that what is really important is the physics. How much can be happening at once. That is what the PS3 is boss with.

Thats odd... Why do games run slower on PS3 than they do on my crappy amd phenom I/ATI desktop, or my laptop for that matter?

By the way, you like, completely changed your reasoning in the 2nd post below that........you do realize that, right?

THe PS3 chokes in Half life 2: Episode 2, at 640x480 or 1080, in a lot of closed off areas. What gives? Maybe its because its a port from PC? That can't be right either, since Resident evil 5 does the same crap, and I run it MUCH better on my desktop.

[BC2 Cypher]

Consoles are older generation while PC's are newer generation.
PC's will have newer hardware available monthly while you can't exactly "upgrade" a console.

Kind of difficult basing your decisions solely on Black Ops, however I'm not saying that's exactly what you're doing. ;)

I'm really not basing my decision on just black ops, but while computers are superior, games are optimized more for consoles.

No matter how good your pc is if the game isn't optimized it's gonna run like crap. Cod BO is just an example.

[Strikere]

I'm really not basing my decision on just black ops, but while computers are superior, games are optimized more for consoles.

No matter how good your pc is if the game isn't optimized it's gonna run like crap. Cod BO is just an example.

TRUE THAT..

[Pandemic89]

Hey, you can get an HD-DVD addon for the XBox! :)

Or buy a blu-ray player for a little bit more. That addon is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ from what I have heard.

I have been a PC gamer for a long time and over time I have noticed many developers getting lazy when it comes to PC games. Seems like if you want a quality and playable game anymore you need a console. Don't get me wrong here I will always play PC games but having a console as well doesn't hurt. I was all for the PS3 at first, it seemed like the best option. This was the case until i realized that the PS3 games were just not my style. I have done a lot of reading about both consoles and what it comes down to is the games. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 are great systems in their present generations. What I mean by that is PS3 has gotten smaller and Xbox 360 red ring of death is said to be fixed. I already have a blu ray player and a computer for web browsing, so the more I looked into it the more I realized I didn't need all of the features that I thought were so cool on the PS3. What I did to decide which was right for me was to go to gamestop.com, see which console has the most games that fit your style. Add them to the cart and compare. Although if you want a blu ray and have a good tv for it or you do not want to pay to play online then PS3 is best.

[FourTwenny]

Thats odd... Why do games run slower on PS3 than they do on my crappy amd phenom I/ATI desktop, or my laptop for that matter?

By the way, you like, completely changed your reasoning in the 2nd post below that........you do realize that, right?

THe PS3 chokes in Half life 2: Episode 2, at 640x480 or 1080, in a lot of closed off areas. What gives? Maybe its because its a port from PC? That can't be right either, since Resident evil 5 does the same crap, and I run it MUCH better on my desktop.
EA did a garbage job porting The Orange Box. Common knowledge. That's why valve refused to release L4D on ps3. To much work they said. To hard to program.

That is why a lot of ps3 games suck ♥♥♥. Lazy developers port them over and only make use of the 1 main 3.2ghz cpu inside the cell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHY_VnuDdE

This has little cartoons. Makes it easy to understand.

[frontline]

EA did a garbage job porting The Orange Box. Common knowledge. That's why valve refused to release L4D on ps3. To much work they said. To hard to program.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHY_VnuDdE

This has little cartoons. Makes it easy to understand.

That does nothing to demonstrate that the PS3's cell processor is more useful for gaming or multi-tasking apps than a Core i7 cpu or even a Phenom II X4 or Core 2 Quad. Yes, it has some powerful compute performance, however it is more akin to the compute performance of today's GPU stream processors - even then a Radeon 5870/6870 card or Nvidia 580 card have far greater compute 'grunt' than the PS3 (check out the performance of folding@home on a PS3 compared to a current GPU client).

[strelok0017]

Nothing is dying. Maybe Black Ops PC Community is but there are millions of other games. I can think of at least 10 that I would play anytime before Call of Duty (S.T.A.L.K.E.R., BF2 Project Reality, Mass Effect (1,2) etc). If the game isn't working for u wait for the good optimization patch and go play something else. Leave PC if u want but if thats jut because of 1 game, ur doing a big mistake. But thats just my opinion.

[w0zza]

I got an xbox360, but if i would buy a new console now, it would buy PS3,
because of the monthly bull♥♥♥♥ cost you gotta pay to play online.
I love the xbox controllers though.

[Ecaz]

Consoles have auto-aim therefor you suck at all the games.

PC gaming is not dying. LOL!

[Nutlink]

I got an xbox360, but if i would buy a new console now, it would buy PS3,
because of the monthly bull♥♥♥♥ cost you gotta pay to play online.
I love the xbox controllers though.

I've never paid more than $40 for a years subscription, and that hasn't changed even with the official jacked up $60. That comes out to $3.33 a month or less that I've paid. It's well worth it compared to what I had to put with with the PS3 when it first came out. I've heard it's gotten better, but mine currently sits there as an overly expensive Blu-Ray player that occasionally gets some use with Demon Souls and such.

[carson_uk]

actually I've just bought a PS3, not because I'm switching, I still love PC gaming and thats what I will do most of. Its more for the social reason that pretty much all of my friends have one and I wouldn't mind playing a few games with them now and then... I wouldn't get a x360 due to the fact you hav eto pay for Live.

Plus its been said Steam will come to PS3 for Portal 2, thats got to be something to check out.

[mr.mclane]

@FourTweeny

Don't know if somebody has posted this already but.
http://www.techspot.com/news/41323-crytek-the-pc-is-a-generation-ahead-but-ps3-and-360-holding-it-back.html

oh and in regards to not having games with mass players on PC...why were there 128 player servers for killing floor (A UT2003 engine game)? or why did you choose to ignore every single MMO-FPS that is available for PC that destroys MAG both in graphics and player count, unless you know something I dont?

*back to topic*

as an owner of ps3/xbox360/Wii and PC, I will 9/10 times always prefer the PC version over consoles.

Why?

Better graphics - running the game above an up-scaled resolution alone trumps a console version...lets not go down the path of AA/AF etc.

Better performance - when they have NOT been poorly ported.

Better community - Generally, although the maturity of players these days between consoles and PC gamers is starting to slim IMO.

Not to mention dedicated servers, which the advantages alone are too many to list. Although in consoles defence there are a couple of ps3 titles that have dedicated servers (war hawk was one of them I believe correct me if I'm wrong).

To answer your question, I would take my ps3 over the xbox any day. Although the fact is most multi plat games for consoles start from the xbox 360 and are ported, usually poorly, to the ps3 later (see HL2 as an example) with a few exceptions of course (Final fantasy).


PC gaming is far from dying (for evidence please see WoW, starcraft 2, CS, the ENDLESS amounts of community made content, etc), don't base it from the state of this sub-par console port of a game.

Game runs more than fine for me btw before somebody points the flamethrower at me, but you've got to be arrogant to ignore the many posts and even reviews slamming this game. I would be joining the rage if my I7 and gtx 480 system even hiccuped for a second in this Quake 3 engine game *Hint* no excuse that this game uses such a dated engine(which runs poorly for many) when you make a ridiculous amount of profits on this series, Activision :mad:.


for the TLDR people: PC gaming is far from dead, don't base this game as a representation of PC gaming's current standing. I would choose ps3 over xbox, and even then a pc over all consoles for FPS games.:)

[PhamousVegas]

If you are going to use a silly console, get a PS3. That way if you ever decide to go back to PC you didn't completely waste your money and still have use for it as a Blu Ray player ;)

Anyway, PC gaming is far from dead. I guess I would kinda agree that it's 'dying', but definitely not quickly.
Developers are paying much more attention to the consoles lately, but I'm sure this won't be FOREVER. Let's just hope the devs and publishers see the potential of PC Gaming once again and start paying more attention to us.

Though as long as we have VALVe, and I would even go so far to say Blizzard (though lightly as they are with Activision), PC Gaming will NEVER truly be dead.

[3v1lG3n1us]

I would strongly advise the OP not to run out and buy a console just because this Black Ops game is a p*ss poor attempt at a PC game.
Why should users who prefer PC gaming make life easier for the developers just so that they can just release yet more console only or primarily console orientated games?

I don't think PC gaming will die, but it won't get any better while developers sway more towards consoles than PCs.
What they should do is spend some of that $400 million+ they just made out of Joe Bloggs' through buying this game and spend it on a decent PC developmental department instead of "dumping" console games any old how to PC.

I wont gripe on about the faults of this Black Ops PC release, god knows there's been plenty of them, but I will say that the PC release was a botch from beginning to end and to release it in the state they did, knowing people would rush out and buy it withouth the possibility of a refund is just a blantent kick in the face to PC gamers if I'm honest. Especially in light of all the waffle insisting this release would be orientated towards PC gamers. Was it hell as like. Anyone with half a brain could see that they didn't exstensively test it enough. This becomes obvious with the faults spanning a range of hardware including those that exceeded the recomended specifications.

Anyway, my point being that we need to keep the pressure on these developers and not let them slope off into console only world which they seem to be doing. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if these sloppy releases turned out to be a sly attempt at driving gamers over to consoles having got fed up with dodgy releases time after time like the OP clearly has.

We are the ones paying out $60 for a pile of pants, so I think it's fair we are allowed our say. After all, what's the point of making a game if its not how the people that are buying it want it?

Just my thoughts.

[reactioN]

"Playing on console with controller is like trying to play PC with boxing gloves."

[Yuri4004]

Take New Pc...

[Nacio]

Really,

PC gaming has always been on the front lines. Its the money hungry developers who have abandoned PC gaming. Don't let BO turn you off to such a rich platform

[Lindy]

Don't even pay attention to this ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

PS3 has better AF, therefore better graphics.

You are so wrong. Each game is different. COD games are Xbox 360 developed and then ported. Euro gamer or some site did a comparison. CODBO runs at 1024x650ish on the 360, 900ishx550ish on the PS3. Not only that they found that the frame rates drop much more on the PS3 vs 360.

Now the Battlefield series games, including MOH (uses bfbc2 mp engine) are developed on the PS3 and ported.

So it really depends on which game. I think PC gaming is getting stronger. I left PC gaming in 2005 and now I am coming back. The PS3 and 360 (I own both) are starting to get old and its starting to show.

[tet5uo]

Alot of it is due to ps3 being absolute hell to code for. Many games could theoretically run better on it if they were coded to natively support it's crazy asymmetric multi-threaded nature.

[wisertime]

Approximately 9 and a half. It's kind of like in the 80s when they said that rap music was a passing fad.

lol...I'm still waiting for that crappy fad to pass. Now we have DJ hero...that looks fun......not

[Lindy]

PS3 is superior. The ports seem to work better on xbox, but the ps3 exclusives out perform pc games. I am not a fanboi. I have a i7-930 overclocked and watercooled and a GTX480. I know my gaming. The ps3s cell processor is so far ahead of it's time that most people just don't even understand it. Graphics are blah, but the overall physics the ps3 can dish out is insane. PC is so so so far behind. Crysis 2 is going to demonstrate this beyond any doubt. MAG already shows it. Move is the most accurate intuitive controller i have ever used. It is going to replace the mouse IMO.

There is no reason to not get a ps3 to be perfectly honest. Even if you are a pc gamer.

Those cores on the PS3 are only used by a small handful of PS3 exclusive games. The PS3 is overhyped, sorry it is.

You say nothing about the Nvidia 7800GT the PS3 has, now 5 year old tech. Nor do you speak of the massive amount of RAM the PS3 has (512meg).

The PS3 is great, but its old now. Good enough for the average gamer for sure. However a game uses, CPU, GPU and RAM. Most games dont use more than 3 cores, because so many are developed on the Xbox 360 first, since game sales vs the PS3 is 5x or better on the 360.

The PC is way more powerful, than either console, but games are built for consoles first and more so on the 360 then ported.

[axel1991]

Xbox 360

[Garrett2112]

Intel did a very good IMO article (excerpts below & underline emphasis mine...) on PC Gaming and the myth that 1. it's dying and 2. that it doesn't generate good revenue. One big point is that worldwide there's ~300 million PC's capable of running games (with a DX10 Card) & consoles compared to that number is small to say the least. ;)

Hear that knocking sound? It’s PC gaming!
By Mandy Mock (Intel) April 19, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Do you know what the opportunities are in PC gaming? They’re probably better then you think – the PC gaming market is much bigger than consoles, both in installed base and in money made.

What’s interesting to see is just how much larger the PC base is than any of the consoles. To tell you the truth, I really hadn’t realized how large a difference it is until I put this chart together. Enthusiast PCs are 62% of the total market, and there are 4PCs out there for every Wii, 7 PCs for every Xbox360 and 8 PCs for every PS3. Wow.

Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

It’s interesting to see that the growth in PC gaming revenue is predicted to come from the newer business models – subscription and online transactions. This matches my intuition – with piracy being difficult to overcome in the traditional games model, the newer business models are increasingly attractive. And a good chunk of that growth in the number of units of PCs out there is due to growth in developing markets. In those markets in particular, lower upfront cost models are extremely popular.

So, there are our estimates for the number of PCs out there versus consoles and the revenue generated from PC games. We think it paints a pretty compelling picture for developing games on the PC.

Intel Article Link (http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/)

[SpunkyKuma]

Sounds to me they're counting the 8.5 million World of Warcraft players.

Otherwise most titles that releases on multi playforms show about 5-10% sales on PC version.

[morbid_artist]

To anyone who said xbox, you're a bunch of idiots. to anyone that said xbox has better graphics you need to go kill yourselves. PS3 is obviously the superior console. HOWEVER! pc gaming is not dying, /thread "COOL STORY BRO!"

[BehindTimes]

Those cores on the PS3 are only used by a small handful of PS3 exclusive games. The PS3 is overhyped, sorry it is.

You say nothing about the Nvidia 7800GT the PS3 has, now 5 year old tech. Nor do you speak of the massive amount of RAM the PS3 has (512meg).

The PS3 is great, but its old now. Good enough for the average gamer for sure. However a game uses, CPU, GPU and RAM. Most games dont use more than 3 cores, because so many are developed on the Xbox 360 first, since game sales vs the PS3 is 5x or better on the 360.

The PC is way more powerful, than either console, but games are built for consoles first and more so on the 360 then ported.

Well, to get into a more techincal discussion:

The Geforce 8 series, from http://www.behardware.com/articles/678-2/nvidia-cuda-practical-uses.html:


When we want to properly use a GeForce 8 type GPU, its program and data should be structured in a way to give the GPU the highest possible number of threads while remaining within hardware limits, which are:

threads per SM: 768
warps per SM: 24
blocks per SM: 8
threads per block : 512
32 bit registers per SM: 8192
shared memory per SM: 16 KB
cached constants per SM: 8 KB
1D textures cached per SM: 8KB

The arrangement of threads in blocks and blocks into grids of blocks (65536x65536x65536 maximum blocks) is up to the developer. A GeForce 8 class GPU can therefore execute a program of a maximum 2 million instructions on close to 150 billion (10^15) threads! These of course are only the maximum.


Now, if we want to get into a discussion of massively parrallel programming, and the direct quality of the output comapring the PS3 versus an Intel i7 & Geforce 580, the PS3 won't stand a chance regardless of if you bumped it's memory up from 512 MB.

[Avenger.at]

I suggest you switch forums.

You're right, mate.

Valve, Steam it's all made for PC. Now someone might say Team Fortress, Left4Dead and so on is for consols too. Yeah, that's true, but did you ever played the Xbox-version of TF2? I'll leave it with this one, think about it.

As the head of Crytek recently said; "Consoles stop game-development". He's right. The nowadays PC's hardware is much better than the hardware of Xbox360/PS3.

You might say now - because of Black Ops - but the consols game at least work! Just beacause Activision focused on cosoles! Activision is a company and a company is interested in money and nothing else! They saw console games sell better than PC-games and now they focus on consols.

I bet if you ask Treyarch, they'd say that the possibilities on the PC are much bigger.

If you'd port Crysis onto a consle it would explode 'cause it jsut can't handle the game.

[Garrett2112]

I DO HOWEVER agree with Crytek's CEO's comments (edit: same Avenger alludes to above I believe..) recently (excerpts below and underline emphasis mine...) that consoles are holding back PC gaming because of the older console technology & developers having to force their coding down to run on it. I don't blame them for doing so to sell the game(s) - just a sad fact of where we are IMO.

I'm guesstimating that Crytek is running into technical road blocks in the Crysis 2 development - that should IMO look mega amazing (like Crysis did) mostly on a PC.

Crytek boss Cevat Yerli has claimed that developers' focus on PS3 and 360 is holding back game quality on PC - a format he believes is already "a generation ahead" of modern day consoles.

Crytek is currently beavering away on Crysis 2 for all three platforms - a move away from the PC exclusivity of its predecessor.

However, Yerli admits that the "creative expression" of Crytek and other studios is being "limited" by the prevalence of Sony and Microsoft's current-gen systems.

"As long as the current console generation exists and as long as we keep pushing the PC as well, the more difficult it will be to really get the benefit of both," Yerli told the latest issue of Edge.

"PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks."

Yerli added that multi-format games not reaching their technical potential on PC couldn't be squarely blamed on consoles, however.

"I generally think it's still developers' mentality [that is to blame]," he added. "A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game."

Just as well Crysis 2 is looking stunning across the formats, then. But could the PC version have looked even better? We await its arrival in March next year with baited breath...

ComputerAndVideoGames.com Article Link (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=277729)

[SpunkyKuma]

If you'd port Crysis onto a consle it would explode 'cause it jsut can't handle the game.

It's being ported if I'm not mistaken.

[lobstrosity]

ZOMG ONE GAME DOESNT WORK FOR ME PC GAMING IS DYING.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nintendos-magic-number-for-its-next-console-is-15-million/

Have fun with your outdated consoles while PC hardware continues to out pace it.

[DEDloc]

You're right, mate.

Valve, Steam it's all made for PC. Now someone might say Team Fortress, Left4Dead and so on is for consols too. Yeah, that's true, but did you ever played the Xbox-version of TF2? I'll leave it with this one, think about it.

This. I played TF2 on PS3 very briefly. That game is not a good console game and it shows in the fact that nobody is playing it. Maximum of about 4-6 people in a busy server. Honestly the game isn't worth playing at that size. I routinely play at a server that is packed to the gills 24/7 with 32 people and that is how that game is meant to be played...with alot of players it goes from being a bunch of pointless 1v1s to being an all-out war. This all seems to leave the console jockeys saying "that game is crap" when actually ...it's far from it. But I understand why they think so...I wouldn't play it like that either.

[leimone]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

this
there's no such thing as PC dying.
PC is the #1, and will remain #1 for a good while

[McCrank]

starcraft 2 sold quite a bit and tournies are being held all the time with huge cash prizes. so PC gaming is not dying.

[Nemi]

Ive owned both Xbox & PS3 and i say:

PS3

Why? 3 words:

God Of War

End of discussion.

[GMAN51]

1. Your premise is wrong.
2. I would rather take up a sport to get my competition in than play a console.

[alvaroga91]

To make PC industry more important, videogames company should make more amazing games for PC exclusively... I'm still waiting Halo 3 or Gears of War 2 for PC (without any kind of faith but it really pisses me off).

What's the point (apart from having more sales of course) to put an exclusive PC series on consoles? They've destroyed (apart from your sentry gun) PC indutry and fuc*ed PC gamers...

[Firzenizer]

PC games outsell PS3, Xbox and Wii and consoles are slowly just turning into PCs.

PC gaming is stronger than it has ever been, don't waste your time on a console, they all suck.

Consoles are computers made for people unable to handle PCs. Its like kids version of a PC. Kids have pedal cars and adults have real cars x)

The only problem Black Ops has is the fact that it was never made for PC. Its a console game... If it was a PC game we would have proper hitboxes. Balanced, unique weapons not weapons like we have now all have same stats and there is no variety. Man I would like to see BO with proper DMG multipliers. 1.0x DMG on all body parts except head is just lame. I understand that it would be hard for console gamers to aim for head and neck instead of spraying all over the body.

[T@rty]

Sorry gotta say I laugh when people say the xbox has better graphics than the PS3. I have neither personally but as an IT tutor on a game development course I have access to a range of consoles for my students.

Run the same game on both consoles and you will see a noticeable difference in drawn distance for example. The xbox has a custom built 500mhz ATI card with 10Mb of embedded DRAM, whereas the PS3 is using tech based on an nvidia geforce, running at 550mhz and has 256Mb of GDDR3. Quite a difference

Granted the xbox has more system RAM, 512mb DDR3 and the poor PS3 only has 256Mb. However the PS3 is running Rambus (roughly 10x faster than DDR3).... hmmm so which is better hardware wise... and don't even get me started on the CPU's.

It is sad that the PC market is in decline but understandable, mainly due to the low tech to setup and run a console as already said. The down side to developers not using the PC's potential is that games are not moving with the technology that is available. Xbox uses DX10 as its API, whereas the PS3 uses PSGL (based on OpenGL ES), anyone running Windows 7 has DX11 (for a comparison of the two look HERE (http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=127080)) but you will not see this kind of eye candy in a game unless its a dedicated PC game. Net result, I still running a card that's two years old and can play my games at silly res and detail level (except GTA4.... grr, lol)

[bigsby_major]

PS3 all the way. Don't get an Xbox unless you like paying for things you don't have to pay for...
You should have that console for around 4-5 years thats 200 pound in LIVE fees (and I think there going up...) so make sure you factor that into your purchase. Sorry to see you go, have fun!

[Lindy]

Well, to get into a more techincal discussion:

The Geforce 8 series, from http://www.behardware.com/articles/678-2/nvidia-cuda-practical-uses.html:



Now, if we want to get into a discussion of massively parrallel programming, and the direct quality of the output comapring the PS3 versus an Intel i7 & Geforce 580, the PS3 won't stand a chance regardless of if you bumped it's memory up from 512 MB.

7800

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27

"Based on NV47 Chip (Nvidia GeForce 7800 Architecture)"

Basically OLD. Compare it to something like the GTX-460 and its really old.

[hlve]

I suggest you switch forums.


pretty much as bold and as loud as I can repeat that one

[2IS]

What's the point (apart from having more sales of course) to put an exclusive PC series on consoles? They've destroyed (apart from your sentry gun) PC indutry and fuc*ed PC gamers...

You essentially asked "whats the point of making money"

[Lindy]

Sorry gotta say I laugh when people say the xbox has better graphics than the PS3. I have neither personally but as an IT tutor on a game development course I have access to a range of consoles for my students.

Run the same game on both consoles and you will see a noticeable difference in drawn distance for example. The xbox has a custom built 500mhz ATI card with 10Mb of embedded DRAM, whereas the PS3 is using tech based on an nvidia geforce, running at 550mhz and has 256Mb of GDDR3. Quite a difference

Granted the xbox has more system RAM, 512mb DDR3 and the poor PS3 only has 256Mb. However the PS3 is running Rambus (roughly 10x faster than DDR3).... hmmm so which is better hardware wise... and don't even get me started on the CPU's.

It is sad that the PC market is in decline but understandable, mainly due to the low tech to setup and run a console as already said. The down side to developers not using the PC's potential is that games are not moving with the technology that is available. Xbox uses DX10 as its API, whereas the PS3 uses PSGL (based on OpenGL ES), anyone running Windows 7 has DX11 (for a comparison of the two look HERE (http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=127080)) but you will not see this kind of eye candy in a game unless its a dedicated PC game. Net result, I still running a card that's two years old and can play my games at silly res and detail level (except GTA4.... grr, lol)

The RAM in the 360, all of it can be given to the CPU or GPU. The 10meg is just a cache. The PS3 has fixed memory for CPU and GPU.

Black Ops runs better on the 360 vs the PS3, at slightly higher res and better FPS. Both are crushed by a proper PC.

[Sheepdawg]

PS over Xbox anyway. Esentially you already have a super powered Xbox.

Not to mention Live for Xbox is a monthly $ and PSonline is free.

Have fun buying a console tho. used to 100% console game it up. Loved it. Now, i hate it. I dont want no stupid as RROD, or whatever the equivilent is to Sony. Your exbox fries....RMA that ♥♥♥♥♥ and get it back in weeks. My gfx card dies...could have a brand new one shipped to me tomorrow, or better yet, head over to the local bestbuy. Pick one up. Use it. Order a new card, repackage the gfx card and return to bestbuy one my new one comes.

Try doing that with PS3 or Xbox.

And the Wi....lol well u can just give me that money then if u are going to buy some POS motion detecting system.

[iwatchanime]

the day they make a mouse and a keyboard for console is the day PC die

[skidatel]

can i have your pc?

[Chrislololol]

There's over 12 million ACTIVE WoW subscriptions. COD makes up half of the total ACTIVE XBOX LIVE uses which is around 5million. So no, PC isn't dying. 1 PC game has over DOUBLE the amount of uses online for the biggest most played console game.

[The_Fool]

So what u guys think i should get a ps3 or an xbox360..Its time for me to leave the pc and move on..Oh yeah and i mostly like playing online ..What u guys suggest and why..

This is only because there are so many bad console ports like this game. I'm tired of them and their major issues.

[BehindTimes]

the day they make a mouse and a keyboard for console is the day PC die

The PS3 has mouse & keyboard support, but PC gaming is still alive and kicking.

[BehindTimes]

There's over 12 million ACTIVE WoW subscriptions. COD makes up half of the total ACTIVE XBOX LIVE uses which is around 5million. So no, PC isn't dying. 1 PC game has over DOUBLE the amount of uses online for the biggest most played console game.

Unfortunately, WoW is an exception to the rule. At the same time, WoW is also a part of the reason other games aren't doing well. Many people tend to only buy games that they'll play. If your time is devoted to one game in particular, why buy other games? This is a reason you won't see certain genres on the console. Because of license fees and profit margins, many game companies want games to be disposible so you're always moving onto the next game.

[Shadow11792]

I play on the PC but I also own the PS3.

I would strongly recommend going for the PS3.

The BLURAY capabilities are are win for me

[SpunkyKuma]

Most of what keeps PC gaming alive are MMORPGs while FPS, racing and sports games are only a minority on PC compared to console.

[equalstatus]

Bruh, get a gamegear

[equalstatus]

the day they make a mouse and a keyboard for console is the day PC die

XIM360 : you can use a mouse and keyboard already for the 360

and i'm sure there is support for the PS3 is well.

don't be a nub

[Staticenz]

XIM360 : you can use a mouse and keyboard already for the 360

and i'm sure there is support for the PS3 is well.


Sure is. XIM1 works like a charm. Mice and keyboards don't fix the craptastic console graphics though :(

[R3MaK3R]

in general "console" games, yes PC is dying. But then if you look at MMO's, it's still healthy and strong. And if you count zynga as PC(which technically it is) than you can count on PC not being dead at all.

It's just that the larger PC community is not what it "used to be".

I would recommend PS3, I have it and it's great. Have tried X-Box 360 before, probably one of the best online services, MUCH better than Playstation Network(but it's expected since you are paying for it).

[AKASNM]

the day they make a mouse and a keyboard for console is the day PC die

I'd like you to meet OnLive.

[undauntedspirit]

The online experience on the xbox 360 is much better and the graphics are generally better, you don't get a blu-ray but the choice is yours. Also xbox has bigger community.
I recommend xbox if your going to switch, i have a ps3/xbox/pc


This. Games are better optimized on average for the Xbox - for instance it runs Black Ops at a higher resolution than the PS3.

(Personally I have the 360.)

[SpunkyKuma]

I have a 360 myself, my nephew has a PS3 and I think 360's online is better. I wouldn't play FPS games on it unless it's an exclusive title like Bad Company and COD3.

[eaB]

Wishful thinking at best.
At attempt to "console" himself for not being a PC gamer most likely.

Controllers are for racing games.
In FPSland, mouselook is god.

[Strikere]

Wishful thinking at best.
At attempt to "console" himself for not being a PC gamer most likely.

Controllers are for racing games.
In FPSland, mouselook is god.

U funny