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megamike360
11-28-2010, 08:24 AM
EDIT again. Okay, I discussed it, and I'm willing to build a desktop, you can't imagine how tough that decision was for me, but I'm ready.

My new budget is $500 - $600, I want high power, but I would like the best bang for my buck. I'm new to building my own, I know I can do it, I have plenty of knowledge about how to build, I know what I'm doing there, I just don't know what parts are best. Should I get a powerful Dual core, or a less powerful quad core, is 4 GB of RAM enough, what about the monitor and speakers? What is an ideal system in between 500 and 600, and will that system sustain without upgrades for over a year. Thanks all.

EDIT: I'm just going to change this thread instead of starting a new one. I have a budget of around $600, I may be able to go a little more. I want a laptop, the best I can get for the money for gaming, I am currently looking at this for $620, (refurbished). http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Asus-G51VXRX05-Gaming-Laptop/
Also, I will not buy anything that does not have at least a 3 month warranty. Thank you.

madpistol
11-28-2010, 08:28 AM
The pentium 4 may keep you from achieving that goal. It's pretty weak on TF2 nowadays.

As for 7300LE, I wouldn't touch that video card with a 10 foot pole. Also, you're probably looking for an AGP card, not a PCIe.

Here's a list of AGP 8x cards on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007850&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

I would recommend staying away from Geforce FX cards and the Geforce 6200. Once you get above that, you should be fine.

megamike360
11-28-2010, 08:30 AM
The pentium 4 may keep you from achieving that goal. It's pretty weak on TF2 nowadays.

What if I got a new P4, but with a higher clock rate? My computer is from 2002, it's not very upgrade flexible.

madpistol
11-28-2010, 08:34 AM
What if I got a new P4, but with a higher clock rate? My computer is from 2002, it's not very upgrade flexible.

You're going to spend too much money doing that. Don't even bother. Any new system from a store shelf will be faster (by a mile) and will ultimately cost less than hunting down a faster compatible processor. The speed jump you might notice would be negligible by today's standards.

If you want to get playable framerates on TF2, the best way to achieve that is to get a new computer. I don't recommend upgrading that system any further.

Fatimmortal
11-28-2010, 08:36 AM
What if I got a new P4, but with a higher clock rate? My computer is from 2002, it's not very upgrade flexible.

I'd imagine you'd need at least a 3.0GHz P4 with HT. Also, RAM upgrades to at least 1GB.

Can you post what mobo you have? If the PC is pre-built, then please post the exact model.

T Rush
11-28-2010, 08:46 AM
what resolution are you wanting to run

but I think those 7300 cards only have 4 Pixel Pipelines

even something like an old 6600GT has 8

pretty sure in the old days, a card like the 7600GT with 12 Pixel Pipelines was about the minimum to run HL2/Source engine games well

a GeForce 210 has 16 or 24 Stream Processors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130536
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500162

but I would think more like 32 Pixel Pipelines would make things more comfortable
8600GT/8400GS/9500GT http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600035046&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

from ATI like a Radeon HD 4650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102907
Radeon HD 5550 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131361

megamike360
11-28-2010, 09:14 AM
I guess I'll just wait then. But while I'm here, how is this system for modern gaming, (Not just TF2, games like crysis and whatnot): http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Asus-G51VXRX05-Gaming-Laptop/
Scroll down for the SPECS, I think the Graphics card is beast, but the processor isn't, will the graphics card power make up for the processor? Also, using Set FSB you can safety OC it to 2.3 Ghz.

T Rush
11-28-2010, 09:28 AM
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Asus-G51VXRX05-Gaming-Laptop/
but its like 2 years old...a lot has happened in that time

Intel has totally new CPUs( Nehalem based with integrated memory controllers), and nVidia totally new GPUs(400 series Fermi)...both are nearly twice as powerful
example: http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Dell-XPS-14-Notebook-Review/

caveman26
11-28-2010, 09:54 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220700

ASUS G Series G51JX-X1 NoteBook Intel Core i7 720QM(1.60GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M

$1,174.99

megamike360
11-28-2010, 10:10 AM
Allow me to put it this way:

I wan't a screen at least 15"

My budget is less than $650.

That narrows it down quite a bit doesn't it? I'm buying refurbished as it is. If any of you can find something better for me, go for it, but I think that's as good as I'll get.

DeadPhoenix86
11-28-2010, 10:24 AM
Allow me to put it this way:

I wan't a screen at least 15"

My budget is less than $650.

That narrows it down quite a bit doesn't it? I'm buying refurbished as it is. If any of you can find something better for me, go for it, but I think that's as good as I'll get.

for that kind of money, you build a excellent PC, that could max out everything, at a descent resolution ;)

don't waste your money, on a laptop. for 650 you won't get a laptop, that is capable to play games ;)

megamike360
11-28-2010, 10:31 AM
for that kind of money, you build a excellent PC, that could max out everything, at a descent resolution ;)

don't waste your money, on a laptop. for 650 you won't get a laptop, that is capable to play games ;)

I know, but I can't get a desktop nor build one. I have no place to put it and I need the portability. I don't care if some games need to be set on minimum settings. My main goal is to play games like L4d on med - high, which the one I listed above is capable of doing no?

lo3.explicit
11-28-2010, 10:34 AM
Alienware m11x on sale starting at 599. 50 dollar upgrade to 4gb of RAM. Saw it this morning.

megamike360
11-28-2010, 10:36 AM
Alienware m11x on sale starting at 599. 50 dollar upgrade to 4gb of RAM. Saw it this morning.

That's good and all, but there's no way in hell I'm gaming on an 11 inch screen. Thanks anyway. 15.6 is ideal for me.

DeadPhoenix86
11-28-2010, 10:53 AM
I know, but I can't get a desktop nor build one. I have no place to put it and I need the portability. I don't care if some games need to be set on minimum settings. My main goal is to play games like L4d on med - high, which the one I listed above is capable of doing no?

you can, get let it build online ;)

Spirit5
11-28-2010, 11:58 AM
For $100 more you can get this..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214043

It doesn't have the greatest CPU, but games are more GPU dependent than CPU so it should be fine.

They also have this one on NewEgg but it's sold out right now and by the time they get more in, it may be regular price...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115860

megamike360
11-28-2010, 12:09 PM
For $100 more you can get this..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214043

It doesn't have the greatest CPU, but games are more GPU dependent than CPU so it should be fine.

They also have this one on NewEgg but it's sold out right now and by the time they get more in, it may be regular price...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115860

The second one is much worse than the one I'm aiming for, the first one, well, it's probably about the same, the graphics card isn't as good, but the processor is better. I'll keep the first one in mind while I'm narrowing my selections down.

DeadPhoenix86
11-28-2010, 01:45 PM
just bear in mind. you might need to play games on lower settings, if you plan on getting a laptop.

megamike360
11-28-2010, 05:47 PM
just bear in mind. you might need to play games on lower settings, if you plan on getting a laptop.

Yes, I understand that, I'm one of those people who is satisfied with lowest settings and 30 FPS. I used to have a laptop with an HD 3200, I played tons of games on that just fine.

Rusty Silver
11-28-2010, 05:54 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114907 It's a little more but looks decent spec wise.

megamike360
11-28-2010, 06:14 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114907 It's a little more but looks decent spec wise.

Thanks Rusty, that one looks relatively decent, I'll keep it in mind as well providing I can still get one at that price.

NotYourHero
11-28-2010, 06:15 PM
>laptop
>gaming

Pick one.

Now a 600 USD budget for a gaming desktop, thats plenty.

megamike360
11-28-2010, 06:47 PM
>laptop
>gaming

Pick one.

Now a 600 USD budget for a gaming desktop, thats plenty.

If one more person tells me to get a desktop I'm going to flip.

I cannot get a desktop! I need the portability! I do not care if I need to set settings lower! I can play flipping crisis on high with that one I listed up there for 620, look at my game list, not one of those games besides AvP needs to be set to anything lower than high detail on that! I just can't get a desktop. I have $400 right now to spend, if I wanted a desktop I'd build one right now.

DOE_JOHN88
11-28-2010, 08:36 PM
you'd be better off with buying a 600$ gaming computer, no point in throwing money at a old system.

iGaming | Chaos
11-28-2010, 09:10 PM
The second one is much worse than the one I'm aiming for

It's actually quite a bit better than the laptop you linked in your first post. I think you're stuck in the past somewhat, computers have moved on a fair bit in the past year or two.

megamike360
11-29-2010, 06:02 AM
It's actually quite a bit better than the laptop you linked in your first post. I think you're stuck in the past somewhat, computers have moved on a fair bit in the past year or two.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-420M.35837.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-260M.14559.0.html

Yeah, most of those were tested with an i5, at 2.5 ghz not an i3 at 2.4. It's not as good.

Spirit5
11-29-2010, 07:59 AM
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-420M.35837.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-260M.14559.0.html

Yeah, most of those were tested with an i5, at 2.5 ghz not an i3 at 2.4. It's not as good.

Yeah but for $600 your only options are to get an older refurbished model that may have problems, overheat (which gaming laptops..especially older ones with GTX 260M's do) or get one that will not quite be able to max games out or play at high resolutions, but will probably produce a lot less heat (thus the components will last longer), have much better battery life, be lighter and use modern technology. The i3 is still quite a bit better than that P7350 in the laptop your looking at.

Besides if you look at what settings they tested most of the games with the GTX 260M at (1024 x 768, no AA or AF, some with high AA or AF) you will see that even a GPU like that will not be able to play games at the same settings you would be able to do on a desktop. The GTX 260M is just a re branded 9800M GT. And Crysis on high, well if you keep the resolution lower, but again, your not going to be able to play it above 1024 x 768 smoothly. So again, is it worth it?

NotYourHero
11-29-2010, 08:38 AM
If one more person tells me to get a desktop I'm going to flip.

I cannot get a desktop! I need the portability! I do not care if I need to set settings lower! I can play flipping crisis on high with that one I listed up there for 620, look at my game list, not one of those games besides AvP needs to be set to anything lower than high detail on that! I just can't get a desktop. I have $400 right now to spend, if I wanted a desktop I'd build one right now.

There is no point to a portable gaming laptop. They are either over weight, over priced, or over heating. Why not just strap a damn tv to your chest and play a damn xbox while you walk? If you wouldn't use a portable ps3 or 360 why would you use a portable GAMING laptop? Its just silly and you are SOL if you do not double your budget.

megamike360
11-29-2010, 09:02 AM
There is no point to a portable gaming laptop. They are either over weight, over priced, or over heating. Why not just strap a damn tv to your chest and play a damn xbox while you walk? If you wouldn't use a portable ps3 or 360 why would you use a portable GAMING laptop? Its just silly and you are SOL if you do not double your budget.

Look. I'm a junior in high school. I do online school. I have 0 time for a job. I have to stay at home with my 68 year old mother and my totally blind sister. I can't double my budget, it's very hard for me to earn money as it is. Now do you people understand?

Spirit5
11-30-2010, 08:01 AM
Look. I'm a junior in high school. I do online school. I have 0 time for a job. I have to stay at home with my 68 year old mother and my totally blind sister. I can't double my budget, it's very hard for me to earn money as it is. Now do you people understand?

Well then you'll probably be much happier with a lighter laptop that produces less heat that is actually portable. That way, if you do go to college, you'll have a laptop you can take to classes. Gaming laptops are a joke and are not economical if you want something that will last you. People don't just use laptops (or desktops) for gaming. If you need to game and need portability, then your better off with something like an M11X but that is more expensive and quite a small screen.

maime
12-08-2010, 12:25 AM
There are some pretty good gaming laptops out there, but I don't think you'll be able to find one under $600... Maybe if you wait a while and raise at least $7-800, you'll be getting somewhere.

Anyway, there is a website that reviews gaming laptops by price, and there are some good laptops there that are under $1000 - check it out: best gaming laptop (http://www.best-gaminglaptop.net/).

Bad_Motha
12-08-2010, 12:45 AM
Alienware m11x on sale starting at 599. 50 dollar upgrade to 4gb of RAM. Saw it this morning.

Yea grab this deal quick if u want one, the $200 off the regular $799 bare-price ends Dec 18th

I got one as a XMAS present for a family member who's in college.
Total was $740 after tax, plus I upgraded from 2GB > 4GB RAM and 160GB 5400rpm > 250GB 7200rpm HDD. Not bad deal. Shipping was free.

This will be good for her. Light weight and compact, yet powerful enough to play games on too and a 720p screen.

She had a Netbook but we ended up returning it, total POS if u ask me. Not powerful enough for Win7 unless you really spend time to tweak and turn things off and disable Aero.

Dell wanted $80 for a slim external DVD+RW drive. I decided that was a bit much and grabbed one off Newegg for half that price.

I know the Alienware M11x isn't the best deal, but overall it's a solid laptop, especially if you need something small, yet powerful.