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Omalley7
12-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Because TF2 = Sausagefest

And The Announcer doesnt count because shes old and wrinkly.

GabbyBob
12-09-2010, 08:59 PM
What? What does that have to deal with Pyro being a woman?

neelpos
12-09-2010, 09:29 PM
What about Miss Pauling?

En Ex
12-09-2010, 10:31 PM
I already explained this. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1506931)

The_Juggler
12-09-2010, 11:05 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

GuardianOfColor
12-10-2010, 04:28 AM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

So you are saying the pyro is either from Atlantis, or another planet... AWESOME
(of course, we only see the 3 dimensional part of the superior 4 dimensional pyro)

CondemnedMan
12-10-2010, 04:36 AM
I already explained this. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1506931)
That thread did not get trolled massively or anything like that.

Tis a Mystery
12-11-2010, 07:27 PM
But wait if the pyros a women.....then why has none of the other classes learned of her.

Spy Crab
12-11-2010, 10:58 PM
But wait if the pyros a women.....then why has none of the other classes learned of her.

I think I heard somewhere officially that that the Pyro NEVER takes of his/her/it's mask and suit.

Kinda nasty when you think about it.

@nti-tank
12-11-2010, 11:48 PM
Vintage Merryweather's description reads:
"Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell his flames."

Omalley7
12-12-2010, 08:55 AM
What about Miss Pauling?

Non-player character+anybody who hasn't read the comics doesn't know about her.

kiry23
12-12-2010, 11:48 AM
IM GONNA ♥♥♥♥ THAT ♥♥♥♥♥ AAAARGGHHHHHH

Corn
12-12-2010, 04:16 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.
Russia is in Asia.

Spy Crab
12-12-2010, 06:29 PM
Russia is in Asia.

Not really the part where anyone lives.

awkward
12-12-2010, 10:14 PM
spy domination line on pyro,

"well you scream like a girl" or something like that i dont remember..

Toenningar
12-14-2010, 04:47 AM
spy domination line on pyro,

"well you scream like a girl" or something like that i dont remember..

"Good lord, you fight like a woman!"

You were SO close.


Not.

intensefunkid
12-20-2010, 06:41 PM
Vintage Merryweather's description reads:
"Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell his flames."

because its community written, not valve written. if it was valves then EVERY hat would have a description.

Albion_the_bard
12-21-2010, 01:46 AM
i suspect valve will never tell us, and havent even decided themselves

PabloCP
12-26-2010, 04:03 PM
The pyro is a woman because "[Pyro Photo]why dont give her a shot?"

Interrobangin
12-27-2010, 02:17 AM
"Sorry, ma'am."

SnakeSkull
12-27-2010, 04:05 AM
Are you off your rocker?

The Pyro is clearly a robot.

Albion_the_bard
12-27-2010, 06:10 AM
Are you off your rocker?

The Pyro is clearly a robot.

but what GENDER robot?????????

/trollololol

Jorran
12-30-2010, 03:36 AM
The entire point of the pyro is that there's no defined gender. It will never be revealed.

On the subject of the race of the pyro, Asian sounds right, I'm guessing Japan?

Shining Wolf
12-30-2010, 06:22 PM
Because TF2 = Sausagefest

And The Announcer doesnt count because shes old and wrinkly.

Well, I guess it is true that the Pyro as a class is screwed against half decent players =/

jesterscript
01-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Well, I guess it is true that the Pyro as a class is screwed against half decent players =/

Hey-o!

Naw, but seriously, get better.

gen. DeGroot
01-03-2011, 10:03 PM
pyro is bill. or hes prawnboy101.

MaCCaR0N1M0N
01-04-2011, 01:02 AM
I don't think they will ever specify what the Pyro is. It would ruin the androgynous charm the class offers. Besides I don't want to kill women in video games! Just sayin'...

Shamps
01-04-2011, 08:42 AM
He is boobless fat woman with big hands. Just a fact that he has no boobs and has such big hands removes possibility of him being hot chick.

MrSage86
01-04-2011, 10:30 AM
He is boobless fat woman with big hands. Just a fact that he has no boobs and has such big hands removes possibility of him being hot chick.

Well, your twelve.


(Its the suit)

Evak
01-04-2011, 01:32 PM
Well, your twelve.


(Its the suit)

He has his own twelve? Awesome!

In case you dind't get it, you failed in english grammar.

In-topic: She's clearly a woman! I say it, spy says it, more than half of TF2 players don't care, so woman it is. She's a woman! Woman I say!

gen. DeGroot
01-04-2011, 01:52 PM
He is boobless fat woman with big hands. Just a fact that he has no boobs and has such big hands removes possibility of him being hot chick.

no, gaben is not the pyro. where did you get that idea?

Bukkithead
01-04-2011, 03:54 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

I'm a little surprised that there's nobody British in the game, though, especially as there are 3 Americans.
The Pyro's tie-in with the overly-British Killing Floor has made me consider that he/she's British.

Diamondback96
01-04-2011, 03:56 PM
I'm a little surprised that there's nobody British in the game, though, especially as there are 3 Americans.
The Pyro's tie-in with the overly-British Killing Floor has made me consider that he/she's British.Except the Demoman is British. (FYI, England != Britain)

Bukkithead
01-04-2011, 05:46 PM
Except the Demoman is British. (FYI, England != Britain)

Yeah, sorry. Mindfart.
I meant English.
And yes, I know, I live there. :P

TF2Merch
01-04-2011, 07:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJyqaVLnl8&feature=related

Leighnov
01-06-2011, 02:55 AM
Except the Demoman is British. (FYI, England != Britain)

He's Scottish, and the only people who like being called British are the English.

I hate being called British.

quarelin
01-06-2011, 06:08 AM
The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.


excuzÚ mo┴ but who is from eastern europe???

kitsunechao
01-06-2011, 07:53 AM
excuzÚ mo┴ but who is from eastern europe???

Le spy! :3

donkey rhubarb
01-06-2011, 10:24 AM
Le spy! :3

pretty sure spy is either french or from french-canada.

gen. DeGroot
01-06-2011, 10:40 AM
pretty sure spy is either french or from french-canada.

its called quebec, dude

adislavchev
01-06-2011, 10:54 AM
I think that the pyro is a fat mexican but he/she can be a sexy hot girl but nothings so sexy like miss pauiling

ProSpy1111
01-27-2011, 05:37 PM
Well,there's the possibility of the pyro being Brittish,what would explain other classes saying that he fights like a ''girl''.

Smashbrother101
01-27-2011, 06:04 PM
I know that TF2 has too many male characters, but it would be too awkward to throw a female character on the seen (not that I have anything against girls). I would think that he is most probably Asian, since they don't have an Asian character (this might be also plausible considering that he's the second shortest class in the game [Not trying to be racist but I think the average height is actually shorter in East Asia]).

But recently I heared another theory that the Pyro actually might be a robot made by the Engineer. The evidence seemed pretty outstanding so I'm going add that as a possibility.

But my own theory (which relates to my Meet the Pyro script... or one of 'em) is that the Pyro is an alien, who has bad english and cannot breath oxygen, but has awesome fire capabilities. The Pyro was a new born baby on his planet, until his parents had to send him away when the planet was being destroyed. He landed on Earth, where he was discovered in a corn field by a farmer and his wife (I'm sure by now you've figured out what I'm referencing), he grew up to become a local hero, until Mann co. took him away and began breeding a new race of Pyros... for the war effort.

Let's face it, the Pyro is just like Superman! I mean for one: There both overpowered like heck... no? nevermind...

But no... Pyro is NOT girl... just a little feminine.

bloodfox1222
01-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Its obvious the pyro is a living flame. You guys can't see it but whatever.

Edit:Wanted to point out that the reason pyros mask has the bird with the ! is to make it look like

"The pyros a chick!"

wafflesmart
02-08-2011, 04:10 PM
they call pyro him and her
only one explaination...
pyro is an alian!!!!!!!! and the little head monster thing is pyros baby

TerribleKnight
02-08-2011, 08:13 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

the original spy was asian

(J.)
02-11-2011, 06:54 AM
Maybe the pyro is senor Rodrigo, whose flames are just as hot as his cooking. (Old Guadalajara)

GabbyBob
02-11-2011, 04:51 PM
I hate even saying this, but what if Pyro was a woman? Think of all the nerfs the Pyro has recieved.

Back then, women were supposed to be weaker then men, the non-working housewives who do nothing but make sure that the house is clean(spy-checking) and Dinner is on the table for the man when he comes home(where else would Heavy get his sanvich?).

VideoGameGeek
02-11-2011, 06:29 PM
I hate even saying this, but what if Pyro was a woman? Think of all the nerfs the Pyro has recieved.

Back then, women were supposed to be weaker then men, the non-working housewives who do nothing but make sure that the house is clean(spy-checking) and Dinner is on the table for the man when he comes home(where else would Heavy get his sanvich?).

The Heavy gets his Sandvich from Mann. Co, duh. It's not even a real sandwich; according to Poker Night the Sandvich makes him an unstoppable killing machine.

And considering how there are multiple Pyros, there could be male and female ones.

C_West
02-15-2011, 10:52 PM
I also think that pyro is a woman too cause of the Madame Dixie hat lol

Level0Ubersaw
02-16-2011, 12:13 AM
I also think that pyro is a woman too cause of the Madame Dixie hat lol

If we're going by this logic, I'm going to say the Soldier is secretly an ancient British Greek Samurai Viking Native American Warrior out of a Doctor Seuss Christmas book.

SCi-Fi
02-16-2011, 02:15 AM
The Pyro is the Scouts mother, who's only purpose is to make the Spies life a misery and to burn his very soul to ashes after he dumped her..

SmeckDevil
02-16-2011, 02:54 AM
The animation of Pyro says otherwise. There's not enough hip in his walk.
Heavy has more of a woman walk than Pyro does. (in his hips anyway)

*coming from a woman*

HawkeSolaris
02-16-2011, 03:44 AM
Heavy in the poker game states "HIS name is Pyro".
Concept art shows Pyro was to be male.
Some file in the game states that Pyro uses a male skeleton.
The Orange Box manual states Pyro as male.
Pyro uses a male voice actor (the same man ironically that voices Spy).

~Hawke

Corn
02-18-2011, 05:04 PM
Heavy in the poker game states "HIS name is Pyro".
~Hawke

...which is non-canon.

stereophonical
02-19-2011, 05:57 AM
The pyro is not a woman. Nor female.

Lexar
02-19-2011, 09:43 AM
I heard somewhere that valve already has a version of "Meet the Pyro" wich they are quite content with, but for some reason they want it to be the last "Meet the" Video

Noremac77
02-20-2011, 02:27 AM
If we're going by this logic, I'm going to say the Soldier is secretly an ancient British Greek Samurai Viking Native American Warrior out of a Doctor Seuss Christmas book.

I lol'ed

Joesmonkeyland
02-22-2011, 08:35 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

I think that the Pyro is British, and I can't remember which line (I'll find it), but he says "mate" in it, and they already have 2 characters from Australia (sniper and Sax. Hale).

Joesmonkeyland
02-22-2011, 08:37 PM
Heavy in the poker game states "HIS name is Pyro".
Concept art shows Pyro was to be male.
Some file in the game states that Pyro uses a male skeleton.
The Orange Box manual states Pyro as male.
Pyro uses a male voice actor (the same man ironically that voices Spy).

~Hawke

Valve said they wanted a female character. In Valve blogs, they refer to it as both a He and She. I still think it's a he, but you can never know until they officially tell us (which they wont).

Joesmonkeyland
02-22-2011, 08:57 PM
I have also considered that the Pyro might be Asian.

The TF2 team represents people from all over the world (apparently set in 1970). There are characters representing the US, USSR, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Australia/Oceania.

But no Asia, South America, or Middle East.
It's possible that the Pyro is from one of these places.



However, the Pyro's theme has always been "unusual" or "weird".
The duck for the Halloween mask, all the odd hats.
So it's also possible that the Pyro is from some unusual place too.

We know the Pyro is British because it says "Thanks for the healing, mate!"

redbear
02-23-2011, 06:29 AM
http://img560.imageshack.us/i/pyrogress.jpg


end of discussion. hes a bloke.

Johnster1
02-23-2011, 08:01 AM
http://img560.imageshack.us/i/pyrogress.jpg/sr=1

Unless "she" is a hermophredite....

UKMD Merry
02-23-2011, 12:51 PM
Would be funny, thats why!

Jagblade
02-24-2011, 06:56 PM
They should just use Meet the Pyro to show the "current" Pyro is male, but also to introduce the cast of female class variants. I believe a few players have already made custom models for such anyway. Maybe the Pyro get's love struck and sets someone from his team on fire? :D

9600bauds
02-25-2011, 10:59 AM
When I got TF2, I liked the idea of an androgynous character whose sexuality made people argue about on forums.
Sadly, as soon as I played against or as pyros, I never saw anything really feminine about them. I just don't feel that the Pyro is female from my point of view.

http://img560.imageshack.us/i/pyrogress.jpg


end of discussion. hes a bloke.
http://img560.imageshack.us/i/pyrogress.jpg/sr=1

Unless "she" is a hermophredite....

No, that is Pyro's concept art, and an unofficial model.
If you want to play like that, then this is the scout (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5899/scoutcon1.jpg), this is the demoman (http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7206/dmconcept2.jpg), and this is Heavy and Medic (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2310/tf2oldstlye.jpg).

MacMallian
02-26-2011, 06:28 AM
Demoman calls Pyro 'Lassie' in one of his Domination lines.

Smashbrother101
02-26-2011, 10:25 AM
Demoman calls Pyro 'Lassie' in one of his Domination lines.

I wouldn't say consider that fact for two reasons:

1) He's drunk, so I'm sure he has no idea what he's saying and

2) It's probably supposed to be an insult and not taken literally (eg. Heavy says, "Who sent all these babies to fight?!" He doesn't mean the enite team is literally babies, he means their... I really don't know... something...)

Robalo Voador
02-28-2011, 06:23 AM
Anyone saw Spy x Pyro anymation? Sexually explicit

And pyro is mexican, a fat mexican women, as you can see in that video

If scout was afrodescent, he'd be brazilian... wow that would be nice

Sielys
02-28-2011, 08:05 AM
Pyro is Kim Jong-il. It's the only reasonable explanation. Somehow.

SmeckDevil
03-01-2011, 03:30 AM
When I got TF2, I liked the idea of an androgynous character whose sexuality made people argue about on forums.
Sadly, as soon as I played against or as pyros, I never saw anything really feminine about them. I just don't feel that the Pyro is female from my point of view.




No, that is Pyro's concept art, and an unofficial model.
If you want to play like that, then this is the scout (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5899/scoutcon1.jpg), this is the demoman (http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7206/dmconcept2.jpg), and this is Heavy and Medic (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2310/tf2oldstlye.jpg).

Ginger Demoman. :D

fodi
03-02-2011, 06:43 PM
pyro is not a girl :O

ICE-9
03-06-2011, 09:45 AM
I think that the Pyro is Vietnamese. Think about it. In 1968, when TF2 takes place, the Vietnam war had reached its peak. And what was one of the most widely used weapons in Vietnam? Napalm.

HawkeSolaris
03-06-2011, 11:01 AM
Demoman calls Pyro 'Lassie' in one of his Domination lines.

And how is Demoman a reliable source of information exactly?


~Hawke

<Witty name>
03-06-2011, 12:30 PM
I think the Pyro is nongendered.

Answers quite a few questions = D

Demon! Teh 117
03-06-2011, 11:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the Pyro is either a Demon, or the Devil.


I mean, all the fire, his strange mannerisms, it fits!

hawkshadow741
03-07-2011, 01:26 PM
"Good lord you fight like a Woman!" Spy
"Sorry Ma'am" Engineer
"HA! You fight like a girl!" Soldier
"Hello Fraulein!" Medic

SmeckDevil
03-07-2011, 05:08 PM
"Good lord you fight like a Woman!" Spy
"Sorry Ma'am" Engineer
"HA! You fight like a girl!" Soldier
"Hello Fraulein!" Medic

"Too slow Medicine Woman!" -Sniper to Medic
"This is not a camping trip Sheila, this is war, and I love it!" -Soldier to Sniper
"Oh you're a wee little miss, you are." -Demoman to Scout
"That's a right pretty bra-washer you built, you big ugly girl!" -Demoman to Engineer

What's your point? :P

hawkshadow741
03-08-2011, 06:54 AM
"Too slow Medicine Woman!" -Sniper to Medic
"This is not a camping trip Sheila, this is war, and I love it!" -Soldier to Sniper
"Oh you're a wee little miss, you are." -Demoman to Scout
"That's a right pretty bra-washer you built, you big ugly girl!" -Demoman to Engineer

What's your point? :P

Ah, but MINE come from lines aimed at the PYRO
to the other classes, it's an insult, maybe the Pyro enjoys the mockery

SpiritOfB.Mays
03-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Why does no one consider he's a sassy gay man?

He is quite the FLAMER after all.

Strawbiter
03-18-2011, 03:20 PM
Merryweather's Description Says Pyro is Man

haloninjaman808
03-18-2011, 03:59 PM
Everyone still negects the fact its probably still Abe Lincolin.

el_pesca
03-18-2011, 04:56 PM
Ah, but MINE come from lines aimed at the PYRO
to the other classes, it's an insult, maybe the Pyro enjoys the mockery

Keyword: MAYBE.
Hes argument is valid and smashed yours.

Chaaaad
03-20-2011, 07:28 AM
Its obvious the pyro is a living flame. You guys can't see it but whatever.

Edit:Wanted to point out that the reason pyros mask has the bird with the ! is to make it look like

"The pyros a chick!"

I never realized that lol.

Corn
03-20-2011, 11:08 AM
Everyone still negects the fact its probably still Abe Lincolin.

Four score and seve-HUDDA HUDDA HUH

Hex Aston
03-20-2011, 12:52 PM
So a woman is not a woman, once she gets old ? ... I guess this thread was created by some wanker, who really wants pyro as his fap material ... Stupid, bloody, disrespectful pervert ...

thatoldcyrus
03-21-2011, 07:02 PM
Pyro is CINDER! (lol Killer Instinct)

xephslayer
03-30-2011, 04:11 PM
The pyro is a man,
Proof:

Vintage Merryweather
Level 1 - 100

Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell HIS flames.

hawkshadow741
03-31-2011, 08:07 AM
The pyro is a man,
Proof:

Vintage Merryweather
Level 1 - 100

Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell HIS flames.

Madame Dixie would like to have a word with you

HawkeSolaris
03-31-2011, 10:38 AM
The pyro is a man,
Proof:

Vintage Merryweather
Level 1 - 100

Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell HIS flames.
Add to that the Orange Box manual, Pyro's walk animations, Pyro's voice actor gender, Pyro's actual voice pitch, and Pyro's concept art along with probably more proof that I don't remember at the top of my head but those being the most solid pieces of proof one can get.
Compare that to the proof of Pyro being a woman: none that isn't based on speculation or maybes.

Maybe some people skipped logic for first-grade classes?


~Hawke

Grandy
03-31-2011, 03:09 PM
Add to that the Orange Box manual, Pyro's walk animations, Pyro's voice actor gender, Pyro's actual voice pitch, and Pyro's concept art along with probably more proof that I don't remember at the top of my head but those being the most solid pieces of proof one can get.
Compare that to the proof of Pyro being a woman: none that isn't based on speculation or maybes.

Maybe some people skipped logic for first-grade classes?


~Hawke

There are male characters with female voices and (albeit rare), vice-versa as well, and I'd say his/her voice pitch is ambiguous.

Concept art means nothing if it didn't make it into the final cut of the game, otherwise I claim Demoman is in fact white.

http://www.giantbomb.com/team-fortress-2/61-18162/concept-art/52-101874/dm_concept5a/51-747369/

"Speculation and theories" are definite uses of the word "her" to refer to the pyro in-game. Not some box manual, actual game.

I'm not saying Pyro is definetely a woman, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so adamant s/he's not.

HawkeSolaris
03-31-2011, 03:34 PM
There are male characters with female voices and (albeit rare), vice-versa as well, and I'd say his/her voice pitch is ambiguous.
I've listened to a woman with a deep voice talk through a gas mask. Sounded nowhere near as deep and gravelly as Pyro's voice. It's about as ambiguous as you wish it to be- you want female, you hear female. You don't care, you hear male (I played some of the Pyro's sounds to someone who never even played TF2 and he thought that a guy talking through a gas mask in a fight was hilarious, note: guy).

Concept art means nothing if it didn't make it into the final cut of the game, otherwise I claim Demoman is in fact white.
Skin colour changes isn't as radical as a complete gender change (especially when using a man to record the vocal lines on top of that).

"Speculation and theories" are definite uses of the word "her" to refer to the pyro in-game. Not some box manual, actual game.
The manual is part of the game. And the "her" "him" in game is actually VALVe once again trolling the community members who believe Pyro to be a woman. They never intended it to happen, but the moment somebody questioned it with the purse and started this whole craze, VALVe have lept on the opportunity to troll everyone left right and centre where appropriate. The "him" her" is useless as evidence to either confirm or deny male or female so can be removed from any evidence contributing to Pyro's gender.
And if we do that, there's still plenty of solid evidence confirming male and still no solid evidence at all for female, only speculation and wishes from people who seem to want Pyro to be female for reasons I just can't understand.

I'm not saying Pyro is definetely a woman, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so adamant s/he's not.
I'm adamant because of the evidence.

You find a man, with blood on his clothes, the knife in his hands, standing over the dead body of a murder victim. The blood spattered all over his clothes matches the patterns created if you stab someone. The man never confirms or denies he commited the crime. He had a motive, he has all the solid evidence pointing to him having done it. Did he do it? It's essentially the same here. The evidence all points to Pyro being male. Only speculation states otherwise- speculation in this case being he could have found the body. Now both cases can be argued all day long but I stand where the evidence points- Pyro is male but is left ambiguous to allow for VALVe's trolling.


~Hawke

Grandy
03-31-2011, 04:21 PM
I've listened to a woman with a deep voice talk through a gas mask. Sounded nowhere near as deep and gravelly as Pyro's voice. It's about as ambiguous as you wish it to be- you want female, you hear female. You don't care, you hear male (I played some of the Pyro's sounds to someone who never even played TF2 and he thought that a guy talking through a gas mask in a fight was hilarious, note: guy).

"You don't care, you hear male". If I don't care, I hear Bart Simpson as a male even if his VA is female. Does that makes Bart a girl? Besides, there is such a thing as deep-voiced women.

Skin colour changes isn't as radical as a complete gender change (especially when using a man to record the vocal lines on top of that).

"As radical" or "not as radical" doesn't factor into it. It was changed, therefore it is not anymore.

The manual is part of the game. And the "her" "him" in game is actually VALVe once again trolling the community members who believe Pyro to be a woman. They never intended it to happen, but the moment somebody questioned it with the purse and started this whole craze, VALVe have lept on the opportunity to troll everyone left right and centre where appropriate. The "him" her" is useless as evidence to either confirm or deny male or female so can be removed from any evidence contributing to Pyro's gender.


The "him/her" is as useful as anything on the manual. Otherwise please explain why the manual is a good example and the in-game messages are not.

And if we do that, there's still plenty of solid evidence confirming male and still no solid evidence at all for female, only speculation and wishes from people who seem to want Pyro to be female for reasons I just can't understand.

I'd like to hear those, please.

You find a man, with blood on his clothes, the knife in his hands, standing over the dead body of a murder victim. The blood spattered all over his clothes matches the patterns created if you stab someone. The man never confirms or denies he commited the crime. He had a motive, he has all the solid evidence pointing to him having done it. Did he do it? It's essentially the same here. The evidence all points to Pyro being male. Only speculation states otherwise- speculation in this case being he could have found the body. Now both cases can be argued all day long but I stand where the evidence points- Pyro is male but is left ambiguous to allow for VALVe's trolling.

What evidence? You mentioned it before, and I admit I'm no Pyro specialist, but I don't see anything hinting that he is male at all, other than a few sentences that refers to Pyro as a "he" - and that is the exact same kind of 'evidence' you refuted earlier as being inconclusive.

Pyro's bodybuild is ambiguous as the suit is so oddly shaped.
Pyro's voice is ambiguous since as you yourself pointed, you can hear both genders if you try.
In-game messages are ambiguous, refering to Pyro in both genders.

Yet you seem sure he is male, which I presume must be because there are other details, less ambiguous ones, that I'm missing, and if so I'd like to hear them.

I don't doubt he was originally intended to be male, but since Valve gave it a thumbs up (read: trolling), he's became both male and female at the same time, until someone unmasks hir. You know, like the cat inside the box with poison thing.

HawkeSolaris
04-01-2011, 09:51 AM
"You don't care, you hear male". If I don't care, I hear Bart Simpson as a male even if his VA is female. Does that makes Bart a girl? Besides, there is such a thing as deep-voiced women.
Women, girls and boys all sound the same, so you can get away with using a woman to voice-act as a boy in cartoons. Men and women sound completely different and you can't reasonably get away with using a voice (especially one like Dennis Bateman's) for a woman in any form.

"As radical" or "not as radical" doesn't factor into it. It was changed, therefore it is not anymore.
Skin colour affect one thing: visual look of the character.
Gender affects everything: animation, voice recordings, visual look of the character.
You tell me radical isn't applied when changing either. One is a minor inconvenience that can easily be dealt with (change the colour of the skin on the texture files, easy). One is a major change that affects everything to do with the character. Pyro to all intentions was designed to be male. It's very unlikely VALVe would just suddenly decide to change everything about the character and have to redo virtually everything with the Pyro.

The "him/her" is as useful as anything on the manual. Otherwise please explain why the manual is a good example and the in-game messages are not.
The manual is designed to give a new player insight on how to play the game. The "him/her" message for the Pyro is put in to deliberately mislead the player. One is giving honest facts about the game, the other is deliberately trolling the player. Hence the manual is a good example, the messages aren't.

What evidence? You mentioned it before, and I admit I'm no Pyro specialist, but I don't see anything hinting that he is male at all, other than a few sentences that refers to Pyro as a "he" - and that is the exact same kind of 'evidence' you refuted earlier as being inconclusive.

Pyro's bodybuild is ambiguous as the suit is so oddly shaped.
Pyro's voice is ambiguous since as you yourself pointed, you can hear both genders if you try.
In-game messages are ambiguous, refering to Pyro in both genders.

Yet you seem sure he is male, which I presume must be because there are other details, less ambiguous ones, that I'm missing, and if so I'd like to hear them.
Okay, lets disregard the deep voice, the male voice actor (both by the way are solid evidence for male, not female), the body structure (even though the files state Pyro uses a male skeleton for animation, not female, again more solid evidence pointing to male that we shall choose to ignore for argument's sake), the in-game messages (can't really be regarded as evidence since it's deliberate trolling on VALVe's part).

Pyro's walking and running animations. When a man runs, there's less hip action when compared to a woman. Pyro's hips barely move when he runs, so his actual animations in game point to male. Before you pull the humiliation animations- ambiguous, can be done by male or female, disregarded due to ambiguity. It is interesting at this point to note that Heavy is more female in terms of animations but that's due to his disproportionate legs causing his hips to be used more to move around.

Pyro's physical capabilities. Sexist jokes and claims you will undoubtedly throw at me aside. Pyro is more physically capable than half the team of toughened male mercenaries. He's stronger than a roughened Australian from the outback, a secret agent, a young adult male who's been in a lot of fights in the past against undoubtedly much tougher males, a redneck who is capable of lifting huge machinery and a doctor with a dark past. He's more capable of enduring pain than said people, as enduring as a drunk Demolitions expert and only just less enduring than a Soldier who's used to war. And he runs at a rapid pace whilst carrying his flamethrower and gas tank with him, as fast as the redneck, agent and Australian can run whilst he's got all this weight on him.
Now, admittedly women can be strong, but Pyro's far tougher than a lot of these men who are undoubtedly tougher than most men you'll meet. A woman is very unlikely to be able to perform these physical tasks due to pure biology. A man is much more capable of doing all of that.

Just to note by the way, you hear both genders, but you only hear female if you REALLY REALLY REALLY want Pyro to be female. You hear male every other time.

So yeah, heavy evidence points to Pyro being male. No evidence outside of maybes and hopeful dreams point to Pyro being female. You either side with evidence or you keep dreaming.


I don't doubt he was originally intended to be male, but since Valve gave it a thumbs up (read: trolling), he's became both male and female at the same time, until someone unmasks hir. You know, like the cat inside the box with poison thing.

Exactly- he was intended to be male. He's got male voice recordings, male animations, everything about him is male. To make a change so late after development just to satisfy a dream and wish whilst going against everything they've done for him is just ridiculous.
The cat inside the box whilst being poisoned so you don't know if its dead or not is a poor example in my personal opinion for the current topic at hand.



~Hawke

Corn
04-01-2011, 04:36 PM
Pyro is neither male nor female.
/thread

Grandy
04-01-2011, 05:50 PM
Women, girls and boys all sound the same, so you can get away with using a woman to voice-act as a boy in cartoons. Men and women sound completely different and you can't reasonably get away with using a voice (especially one like Dennis Bateman's) for a woman in any form.


Skin colour affect one thing: visual look of the character.
Gender affects everything: animation, voice recordings, visual look of the character.
You tell me radical isn't applied when changing either. One is a minor inconvenience that can easily be dealt with (change the colour of the skin on the texture files, easy). One is a major change that affects everything to do with the character. Pyro to all intentions was designed to be male. It's very unlikely VALVe would just suddenly decide to change everything about the character and have to redo virtually everything with the Pyro.


The manual is designed to give a new player insight on how to play the game. The "him/her" message for the Pyro is put in to deliberately mislead the player. One is giving honest facts about the game, the other is deliberately trolling the player. Hence the manual is a good example, the messages aren't.


Okay, lets disregard the deep voice, the male voice actor (both by the way are solid evidence for male, not female), the body structure (even though the files state Pyro uses a male skeleton for animation, not female, again more solid evidence pointing to male that we shall choose to ignore for argument's sake), the in-game messages (can't really be regarded as evidence since it's deliberate trolling on VALVe's part).

Pyro's walking and running animations. When a man runs, there's less hip action when compared to a woman. Pyro's hips barely move when he runs, so his actual animations in game point to male. Before you pull the humiliation animations- ambiguous, can be done by male or female, disregarded due to ambiguity. It is interesting at this point to note that Heavy is more female in terms of animations but that's due to his disproportionate legs causing his hips to be used more to move around.

Pyro's physical capabilities. Sexist jokes and claims you will undoubtedly throw at me aside. Pyro is more physically capable than half the team of toughened male mercenaries. He's stronger than a roughened Australian from the outback, a secret agent, a young adult male who's been in a lot of fights in the past against undoubtedly much tougher males, a redneck who is capable of lifting huge machinery and a doctor with a dark past. He's more capable of enduring pain than said people, as enduring as a drunk Demolitions expert and only just less enduring than a Soldier who's used to war. And he runs at a rapid pace whilst carrying his flamethrower and gas tank with him, as fast as the redneck, agent and Australian can run whilst he's got all this weight on him.
Now, admittedly women can be strong, but Pyro's far tougher than a lot of these men who are undoubtedly tougher than most men you'll meet. A woman is very unlikely to be able to perform these physical tasks due to pure biology. A man is much more capable of doing all of that.

Just to note by the way, you hear both genders, but you only hear female if you REALLY REALLY REALLY want Pyro to be female. You hear male every other time.

So yeah, heavy evidence points to Pyro being male. No evidence outside of maybes and hopeful dreams point to Pyro being female. You either side with evidence or you keep dreaming.




Exactly- he was intended to be male. He's got male voice recordings, male animations, everything about him is male. To make a change so late after development just to satisfy a dream and wish whilst going against everything they've done for him is just ridiculous.
The cat inside the box whilst being poisoned so you don't know if its dead or not is a poor example in my personal opinion for the current topic at hand.



~Hawke

Look, this is going nowhere. I won't change my opinion, and I believe I don't have good enough arguments to make ou change yours, so how about we both go our own ways thinking what we were originally thinking before this gets too out of hand?

Pogiforce
04-05-2011, 12:36 PM
The manual is designed to give a new player insight on how to play the game. The "him/her" message for the Pyro is put in to deliberately mislead the player. One is giving honest facts about the game, the other is deliberately trolling the player. Hence the manual is a good example, the messages aren't.

~Hawke


I'm sorry but that's flawed right there. The manual can be just as misleading with it's pronouns and stil inform the player on how to play the game. Knowing the Pyro's gender is not a crucial part to playing TF2.

Aside from that anyway, when I click "player manual" on TF2 in my steam library, I get a " how to build a sentry" guide with directions on how to upgrade your sentry by "swing your wrench violently". The supposed manual is as much a trollololol as the in game messages, so it can't be taken as some higher authority on this matter, especially on something in inconsequential as a character's gender.

As for me, I personally don't know the Pyro's gender. There's been clues either way. And I don't CARE. Seriously, why are you guys arguing over something like this? The Pyro's gender has no impact on gameplay, or how the class is played. If you want to put a Madame Dixie on the Pyro and call it a girl that's your prerogative, if you want to put a Whiskered Gentleman on the it and call it a boy that's also your prerogative. The androgyny of the character is part of it's charm anyway, so just take it for how it is and quit trying to look the gift horse in the mouth.

hawkshadow741
04-05-2011, 01:10 PM
Pyro eez Spah
SPYRO

so it's a dragon?

obsession with fire...maneuverability, showing up in odd places...

Paper Robot
04-06-2011, 01:45 AM
The BLU Pyro is male the RED Pyro is female.

sylviu22
04-06-2011, 03:15 PM
i guess pyro is a SHE cuz it s the only TF2 character that has a hat for women: madame dixie

SmeckDevil
04-07-2011, 12:06 AM
i guess pyro is a SHE cuz it s the only TF2 character that has a hat for women: madame dixie

Medic's Geisha hair.

Tehbacon
04-07-2011, 01:57 AM
Pyro is quite obviously batman during a different stage of his mental problem that causes him to dress as a bat (And now a pyro) and beat up other guys dressed with stupid themes. All of a sudden, it makes so much sense.

Echou
04-07-2011, 03:40 AM
What if there are both female and male pyros?

What if Meet the Pyro is an PSA? :P
*montage of spies killing engineers with sad piano music playing*
Every year thousands of helpless engineers get killed by the invisible death. It's a problem, a problem which isn't that easy to solve.
*engineer crying in corner while tiny sentry is slowly getting destroyed by a sapper. Suddenly, a Homewrecker smashes the sapper*
But we have the solution:
*Pyro's captain morgan-pose on Spy's corpse.*
The Pyro.
*shows a group photo of women and men in their oversized rubber suits, helmets off*
We Pyros are the clan of brothers and sisters who are destined to destroy the crouton-munching, wine-glugging bastards, who terrorize this world with their knives, vile slurs and dangers of passive smoking.
*camera zooms out, showing groups of Pyros piling up Spy corpses*
Become a Pyro. Become the Justice!

.......or something like that. :D

Shamps
04-07-2011, 05:50 AM
Actually, pyro is only class desgined to be played by both male and female players. Valve is not trolling the community they just simply made a character without real personality and gender so both males and females can actually become him/her and be seen as that by other players.

MrSage86
04-08-2011, 10:19 AM
The BLU pyro is a man and the RED pyro is a woman.

Each of the characters have a backstory. Maybe the two are siblings that hate eachother or at one point had a relationship (my theory)


Edit: Ninja'd by a lot

Milkow
04-12-2011, 04:06 PM
Well, it would make sense, since at that time, female mercenaries were a crazy idea, so she would have to wear a mask.

Jack Pipsam
04-18-2011, 11:16 PM
Well there isn't much in the store for the Pyro and the store is "MANN. CO"

Zombie Hugger
04-22-2011, 02:54 PM
spy domination line on pyro,

"well you scream like a girl" or something like that i dont remember..

Just like how he taunts a class about how they fight like a woman? Don't ask what class because I forgot.

ninjajoeman
05-07-2011, 09:20 PM
MY theory might be a little weird and have no actual backup

-hes a bit chubby in the chest
-he wears suspenders
-he obviously gets high off the propane in his back tank
-seriously the pyro is really upbeat

so hes either
-a hippy.
-a british guy (makes sense in my head)
-the civilian.

Echou
05-21-2011, 05:42 AM
Or the "Pyro" is actually a secret society of all kinds of people, men and women. Their thick suits, voice-masking...masks help them be anonymous. Now this idea splits into 2 other theories:

1. When picking/respawning as Pyro, it's a random member of that society. So it could be either man or woman.

2. YOU are the Pyro. You decide his/her gender and personality by hats, weapons and accessories.


Eh? Eh?

Fieldmarshall3
05-22-2011, 07:36 AM
i suspect valve will never tell us, and havent even decided themselves

^^^^^

Luckysanta
05-23-2011, 01:24 PM
I think Pyro is a terrorist, since he likes to play with fire and burn the other Classes :D

Me2nice
05-23-2011, 01:39 PM
MY theory might be a little weird and have no actual backup

-hes a bit chubby in the chest
-he wears suspenders
-he obviously gets high off the propane in his back tank
-seriously the pyro is really upbeat

so hes either
-a hippy.
-a british guy (makes sense in my head)
-the civilian.

I'm going to go with hippy. :D

Domomuffin
05-23-2011, 02:16 PM
so hes either
-a hippy.
-a british guy (makes sense in my head)
-the civilian.

Lol at the civilian. I kinda like that idea :)

But honestly I'm fine with not knowing for now. And anyway, Meet the Pyro still isn't out. If it's ever released then they may hint at an answer to if it's a guy or girl.

ojcoolj
06-15-2012, 01:09 PM
Because TF2 = Sausagefest

And The Announcer doesnt count because shes old and wrinkly.

How do you have more rep than me?

TheHoboGod
06-20-2012, 04:02 PM
Pyro can't be a woman because Valve knows that if they add a woman there will be a huge pr0nstorm. Pyro also can't be asian due to the various tentacle-related things that originate in Asia.


So Pyro is either:
1) Abraham Lincoln
2) a Hispanic male
3) a Robot
4) an English male
5) a Middle Eastern male
6) a male Islander (like Hawaiian)

tomato+
06-21-2012, 06:17 PM
I always imagined the Pyro was a middle aged, balding, slightly overweight guy with a mundane office job that drove him crazy. He ended working on and wearing the Pyro "persona" to become "someone else" and has strange obsessions like women's items (purses, hats) and is basically insane over all. Also, he built his flamethrower in his garage over the course of years. Sort of like an average Joe by day, insane person by night thing. Like leading a double life. I just think it would be interesting for one of the characters to not be a trained assassin/mercenary, just some nutcase.

As far as his race, anything would work for this interpretation. I imagine either American or perhaps a dopey looking Japanese guy that works in some giant corporation in Tokyo. XD

Also he burns his office to ground like a boss.

Now I really hope this is the true story.

╗Sayakaź
06-21-2012, 07:31 PM
Vintage Merryweather's description reads:
"Pyro wears this in tribute to the many firefighters who have perished trying to quell his flames."

Yet back in the good ol days when there where tips when you launched up tf2 around the polycount update, it said why don't you give HER a try.

GwenBust
06-23-2012, 08:19 AM
Pyro needs to be a woman because I have a gas mask fetish