Intel settles patent disputes with Nvidia and will pay Nvidia $1.5 billion over the n

[brianwitt]

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/11/chip-sector-news-intel-settles-with-nvidia-amd-chief-departs-marketnewsvideo.html

Thats a crap load of money !!!

[Baron_Fel]

we talked about that a bit in this thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1710823)

[bes]

All I can say about this is that AMD might be in trouble ..since now Nvidia and Intel will team up and share tech...


Even though the AMD board seems pretty confident that they are on the right track ...

[roxim5]

Looks like AMD will be having to innovate even more to stay ahead of the game. Can't wait to see what Bulldozer has in store for us.

[gestures468]

i think all the tech companies should just team up... and become gods!

[Gone'Postal]

i think all the tech companies should just team up... and become gods!

Bad idea, I don't want to spend 5K on a graphics card :(

[crunchyfrog555]

i think all the tech companies should just team up... and become gods!

Bad idea. More companies = more competition = more choice (and better prices) for us end users.

[Majesty of War]

Bad idea, I don't want to spend 5K on a graphics card :(

Fallacy

There are several monopolies within the technology sector and that doesn't equate to outrageous pricing.

I wouldn't like anything better than to see AMD annihilated by Intel. They basically made their own bed when they were bought up by Abu Dhabi.

[rotNdude]

$300M a year over a five year period is peanuts for Intel considering they get to use patents that nvidia has included in this settlement.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=INTC+Income+Statement&annual

[divine_skills]

I wouldn't like anything better than to see AMD annihilated by Intel. They basically made their own bed when they were bought up by Abu Dhabi.
So you're saying it's better for the consumers without any competition from other CPU manufacturers?

Are you an Intel shareholder?

[308]

I wouldn't like anything better than to see AMD annihilated by Intel.

moron detected

[dosbox]

So you're saying it's better for the consumers without any competition from other CPU manufacturers?

Are you an Intel shareholder?

You're missing the bigger competitive landscape. For a lot of people, their primary computer platform is moving away from a Windows desktop with Intel-compatible inside. Instead, they're surfing on mobile devices powered by Arm-architecture and running Android/iOS.

[Baron_Fel]

$300M a year over a five year period is peanuts for Intel considering they get to use patents that nvidia has included in this settlement.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=INTC+Income+Statement&annual

they get to use patents they already had access to, that agreement was set to expire soon though.

[Phayze1337]

From what I've read it seems as if intel was trying to completely shut down 3rd party graphics acceleration on their chipsets, making a monopoly on graphics acceleration on any intel based board. This kind of concurs with their new sandy bridge processor having integrated graphics, perhaps sandy bridge was designed as a test platform for more full scale 3d gaming processor integrated graphics down the line, with a plan to remove 3rd party graphics cards entirely and ramp up the costs of their own processors. The outcome of their dispute with nvidia seems to halt this completely.

[richei]

Bad idea, I don't want to spend 5K on a graphics card :(
lol, but you're willing to spend $600+ on one?

[divine_skills]

You're missing the bigger competitive landscape. For a lot of people, their primary computer platform is moving away from a Windows desktop with Intel-compatible inside. Instead, they're surfing on mobile devices powered by Arm-architecture and running Android/iOS.
I don't really think people want to pay their bills using a touch screen :rolleyes:

[dosbox]

I don't really think people want to pay their bills using a touch screen :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes back into your head. People already do - just look at the iphone apps for online banking (http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/bankofamericamobilebanking.html).

[divine_skills]

Hmm..

I'll be searching for an online banking app for Android, gonna pay my next bill using it. Who knows, maybe I'll be surprised :)

I still think it's gonna a (very) long time before smartphones and tablets will supersede laptops and desktop PC's in popularity and internet usage.

[borg_7_of_9]

Seam to me Intel like to breach thing's then pay for it they Had to Payout AMD last year 1.? Bil for not shearing x86 tech (Intel and Amd both have too)

Maybe they do it to keep the comp going :cool:

[vashts1985]

these patent shares are not new, though they may involve new technology.

long story short, Intel and Nvidia get into a pissing match. Intel tries to deny Nvidia the right to produce chipsets based on their patents which were previously agreed upon. Nvidia counter sues to be able to continue producing the chipsets as agreed upon. Nvidia wins legal battle. Intel decides to play nice and offers to buy rights to some more of Nvidia's patents.

business as usual.

[FгедкѕнФш]

Roll your eyes back into your head. People already do - just look at the iphone apps for online banking (http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/bankofamericamobilebanking.html).

I use the Royal Bank Of Canada iPhone app to do all of my banking, I also have the "My Account" app that I use to pay my Rogers Wireless telephone bill.

[Dirtman73]

Intel is a horrible company. They continuously make sadsack attempts at stifling their competition, and when they're caught they claim innocence and try to cover it up with a big payout.

It's pretty sad that so many people still support them as a company.

[richei]

Everyone steals from someone else. its the way things are done in every country. If it didn't happen, we wouldn't have any need for overpaid lawyers.

[crunchyfrog555]

lol, but you're willing to spend $600+ on one?

If you can't see the difference between $5000 and $600 you've got some problems there.

Each to their own. I wouldn't spend £100 on a graphics card, personally, but I'd have to be a complete prat to say that's how everybody else should think. Maybe you should open your eyes a little.

Everyone steals from someone else. its the way things are done in every country. If it didn't happen, we wouldn't have any need for overpaid lawyers.

Hmm, glad I didn't see this when I had my libel case....

[richei]

I never said it was right or legal, i just said it happens.

lol, the most i'll consider spending on any part is $200, maybe $250 depending on what it is. I'm not niave enough to think people wouldn't spend 5 grand on parts. I think they're just plain nuts though. I can't see spending that much money on something that's completely obsolete a week after its put together.

[wuliheron]

This is just Intel finishing the last boxing round and preparing for the next.

They came close to running AMD into bankruptcy causing them to spin off their fabrication facilities and now they have an agreement with nvidia that they won't step on their x86 cpu/gpu territory. This leaves Intel with a significant lead in fabrication which they can now leverage to stay ahead of the competition even if they come out with better designs.

Considering the rapidly increasing cost of fabrication facilities this is a huge advantage.

[brianwitt]

So now if they are starting to make GPU with CPU, does this mean that they will sell the processors in the near future closes to a grand? I know Intel has sell CPU for a grand but do you think it will give them every reason to sell them for that price if it happens? Will they stop making GPU in the near future cause it comes with that CPU technology ?

[rotNdude]

Intel has been making onboard GPUs for quite some time. They dominate the market for GPUs on the motherboard and have also put GPUs into the CPUs. Their solutions are cheap and affordable, but really stink for gaming. The pricing of something cheap won't make their CPUs expensive. You can check here for Intel CPUs with built in GPUs:

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-031174.htm

[AlHudsonFX]

I like Intel CPUs however I hate the fact that Intel Integrated Video comes in around 60% of all new PCs harming the platform for gaming.

[brianwitt]

I like Intel CPUs however I hate the fact that Intel Integrated Video comes in around 60% of all new PCs harming the platform for gaming.

Thats what I mean..I dont want it to kill gaming. Its like they want all the credit from there name. Would not make sense to go backwards. You dont think they would do that...

[Baron_Fel]

I like Intel CPUs however I hate the fact that Intel Integrated Video comes in around 60% of all new PCs harming the platform for gaming.

It was in the past, now its really uplifting the overall specs out there. Sandy Bridge graphics are a bit better than last gen AMD/Nvidia integrated which is saying alot.

[DARKNIGHT]

these patent shares are not new, though they may involve new technology.

long story short, Intel and Nvidia get into a jarateing match. Intel tries to deny Nvidia the right to produce chipsets based on their patents which were previously agreed upon. Nvidia counter sues to be able to continue producing the chipsets as agreed upon. Nvidia wins legal battle. Intel decides to play nice and offers to buy rights to some more of Nvidia's patents.

business as usual.

So this may lead to Nvidia producing their own chipsets for the intel platform again?

I hope nvidia wont though, their chipsets run piping hot, cant overclock as well and usually have less memory listed in the QVL list.

[brianwitt]

It was in the past, now its really uplifting the overall specs out there. Sandy Bridge graphics are a bit better than last gen AMD/Nvidia integrated which is saying alot.

I agree what you are saying and people would think they are saving themselves some money if they did buy integrated cause not having to buy a GPU. I think they would keep the option to have CPU and GPU seprate just for people that are gamers for upgrading purposes or for anybody's reasons.

[richei]

It all depends on what the application is. my computer at work doesn't need a dedicated video card, so the intergrated video would work just fine. but at home, that's another story.

But most boards that have built in video usually have at least 1 slot for a video card.

[wuliheron]

The hot market is the portables right now. Intel wants to compete with AMD for notebooks and laptop graphics. Although AMD has the lead with more advanced graphics that doesn't count for much when you are talking integrated graphics on a notebook. What matters more is energy efficiency which the new sandy bridge architecture has in spades. It will be many years before Intel needs to match AMD for advanced graphics and they've already mastered dx 10.

We're going to see a huge change in the market in the next few years. When the first desktop calculators came out they weighed a ton, had to be plugged into the wall, and cost $800.oo. Now its time for the first cheap and portable full fledged computers that play decent 3d games. It will take a few years to get there, but the race is already on to dominate the market.

[richei]

Hopefully this means smaller price tags as well. I was looking forward to an upgrade, but now i'm going to have to wait since it means a new board, processor, ram and another win7 license.

[wuliheron]

Hopefully this means smaller price tags as well. I was looking forward to an upgrade, but now i'm going to have to wait since it means a new board, processor, ram and another win7 license.


Cheap is good, but what it really means is you'll be able to afford more computers.

[Baron_Fel]

So this may lead to Nvidia producing their own chipsets for the intel platform again?

I hope nvidia wont though, their chipsets run piping hot, cant overclock as well and usually have less memory listed in the QVL list.

Nvidia has stated they are done with chipsets, and this agreement wouldnt allow them to anyway on current platforms. Only extends Nvidia's pre existing ability to make chipsets for 775, and about the only OEM still selling those would be Apple. That will soon end though.