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JP2k
02-22-2011, 03:31 PM
hello,
I recently purchased M2TW Gold and I started a campaign with the Holy Roman Empire. Everything was going well, the pope called for a crusade, I took my 2 biggest armies and loaded them on boats and sent them to Antioch. Bang, France tries to ♥♥♥♥ me. They take one of my city, as I try to take it back, the pope tells me to stop attacking France or I'll be excommunicated, I'm like screw you I want my city back, the pope then excommunicates me and my 2 armies on the boats can't keep crusading so they vanish. This is ♥♥♥♥ing unfair and illogical, what a piece of crap AI. What should I do next time?

KillThenLOL
02-22-2011, 06:20 PM
1- dont join the crusade;
2- Dont waste your armies;
3- Attack the rebels cities;
4- build a stronger army and attack another faction;
5- Dont leave your cities/castles without an army (archers it's a good unit).

chrs3
02-23-2011, 09:17 AM
When you joined a crusade but during you get excommunicated you are not further allowed to participate the crusade. The pope doesn't want christian country's to fight eachother during crusades.
What you could have done is just wait untill the turns not allowed to attack are over. In that time you can build up an army to attack the french. Or if you had strong enough army in the region you could try provoce the french to attack you.. then they would got excommunicated and you can attack them after and take your lands back without the pope on your back.

Also think when you are excommunicated the pope will send assasins to your lands to murder your generals, priests, princesses. Move them away when you see one coming.

Palladin
02-23-2011, 10:26 PM
♥♥♥♥ the Pope and ♥♥♥♥ his crusades...... Anyone going after my cities get ♥♥♥♥ed up by my troops. All things Pope related are secondary to my goals(stopping the Mongols) and the French I wiped out early in the game...they got in my way once to many times(which means once) I think its time I took Rome itself.

I keep assassins handy in my lands and kill all enemy faction reps and family members and generals. I'd kill the pope if I could. Never actually tried though.

Honestly I have found trying to keep the pope happy to be pointless and distracting... so I stopped trying.

Currently in a constant state of excommunication.

clad iron
03-02-2011, 12:42 PM
never join the crusades unless you want to get rid of some crap troops but instead of setting of to the popes new pet project use them to take citys and when u are threatener with excommunication change direction and attack some 1 else thats how i get my empire fast, or just be a muslim and jehad ever where and never trust any 1 they all hate you and will betray at any sign of weakness

Martin The Mess
03-05-2011, 04:15 AM
You can also form a new crusade army and start marching it through France instead of toward the target. If the French can be suckered into attacking this army, they are auto-excommunicated and your papal warning will be lifted, and you can slaughter frogs to your heart's content. At least until you kill their king, or the pope dies, and the excom is lifted from them. As an added bonus, any survivors of your fake crusade army in France get the same experience bonus as your real crusade armies once the real ones take the target city.

But yes, its better to not get into this situation. Keep your border setttlements well defended: at least one or two non-crossbow fire-capable archers and two good solid wall-defender troops can hold off most assaults short of a cavalry-light full stack army (set their battering rams and any siege towers on fire, then you don't have to guard the gate and can concentrate on the walls with ladders against them). And try to have other forces nearby who can come to their rescue if needed.

Crusades are too valuable a tool (in that their armies are upkeep-free for the duration, they make the pope love you, and they move twice as fast as normal armies) to not use them when an opportunity arises. So make sure the crusades go where you want them by being the one to call the crusades in the first place.

To avoid excom for defensive counterattacks, remember that the pope doesn't mind you fighting other catholic factions defensively...which means you can kill any armies in a province you control, or sail out of a blockaded port to attack the blockading fleet, or sally forth from a besieged settlement, to your heart's content. Just don't attack their ships on the high seas, blockade their ports, or enter their provinces and you'll be fine. If the fleet in a blockaded port or the garrison in a besieged castle is too weak to win on its own, bring in reinforcements as support troops but lead the attack from the besieged/blockaded force. Autoresolve may be needed here if you don't trust the AI-controlled reinforcement armies to actually do their job.

For especially devious kings, you might try starting a new crusade army and moving it next to your besieged city, but not sallying forth. If they actually try to storm the castle, your crusade army should count as defensive reinforcements...and by attacking a crusade army, the enemy gets auto-excommunicated on the spot.

alhypo
03-19-2011, 07:30 PM
Believe me, there was no such thing as "fair" in Medieval times. Kingdoms of the day had to struggle with these very same politics which is what is so great about this game. Remember that you only hear from the Pope regarding your own actions. He might also be telling France to back off on the fighting. If you loose a settlement, you might just have to bide your time until the restriction is lifted. Also, if the Pope holds your kingdom in really high regards, you can sometimes get away with ignoring his demands assuming France is close to excommunication.

It is pretty easy to keep the Pope happy. When he calls a crusade, I wait until the last moment to join. That way, there is probably another army well on the way to conquest. It still makes the Pope happy you joined even if the target falls before you get there. Use the smallest army you can (8 units I think) and fill out the ranks with hired crusaders. Pilgrims are cheap and are great for screening your more valuable units. Make sure to disband them after the crusade is over because they are relatively expensive to maintain. The crusading army cost nothing to maintain but once the crusade is over it goes back to normal and you will probably have a sudden increase in expenses.

If you do get to the target and manage to conquer it, don't bother staying for long. Selecting to "Sack Settlement" will result in a large cash bonus and also you can demolish all the buildings before you leave and retrieve a portion of their value. So then get the heck out of there before Egypt gets annoyed with you. If you have a large fleet to escort them back, use that. Other factions will get annoyed if they spot your army on their lands. If you can't get the army back quickly over water, you might just want to disband most of it. Make sure to keep enough to at least have a chance of defending your general on his way back unless he's not particularly valuable to you.

Other ways to please the Pope:

Try to get an alliance with him very soon in the game and avoid attacking anyone he is aligned with.

Keep building and upgrading your churches but pace yourself. It gets expensive and there is a limit to the Pope's love for your kingdom.

Recruit plenty of priests and keep your lands free of non-Catholics. Send some of your priests far away on conversion missions. The added benefit here is that once in a while you will get a very pious priest who will be a good candidate for cardinal when a spot opens up. It really sucks to be fighting France only to notice there are three French cardinals voting in the next Papal elections.

But the best way to keep the Pope happy is to pay him tribute as a gift. I usually give him 100 to 200 florins per turn for about 10 turns at a time. Once this expires, I wait a few turns and offer him a similar gift.

italian88
03-20-2011, 05:00 PM
♥♥♥♥ the Pope and ♥♥♥♥ his crusades...... Anyone going after my cities get ♥♥♥♥ed up by my troops. All things Pope related are secondary to my goals(stopping the Mongols) and the French I wiped out early in the game...they got in my way once to many times(which means once) I think its time I took Rome itself.

I keep assassins handy in my lands and kill all enemy faction reps and family members and generals. I'd kill the pope if I could. Never actually tried though.

Honestly I have found trying to keep the pope happy to be pointless and distracting... so I stopped trying.

Currently in a constant state of excommunication.

LMAO that was ♥♥♥♥ing hilarious :D

Budthewise
05-26-2011, 07:51 PM
Some of the information above is just flat out wrong so as a veteran to this game, 100+ hours, let me help you.

1. Crusades have their usage but you don't have to follow the order unless you find it either convient or supports your own goals at least a little. For instance, if you are allied with Egypt and a crusade to an Egyptian land is call, ignore it.

2. I tend to have a diplomat near the pope whenever I can. I find that giving him a thousand each turn or at least a few hundred raises your ranking with him far more than crusading does.

3. Don't be a complete moron, what I mean by that is don't just go rampaging toward Chrisian people or heaven forbid, the pope, by starting BS wars and by being a flat out moron when it comes to public relations with your neighboring contries. Most of all, when you go to war by your choice, don't do it on a whim but think about how it benefits you to go to war in the first place.



Crusade can be helpful though. If you followed my advice above, your relationship with the pope shoudl be good and you should be able to personally request a start of a crusade toward a non-catholic or excommed leaders land. If you do this, join the crusade. The benefits such as a massive amount of experience toward your commanders or the free upkeep for the units in the crusade (If you are smart, the very place you were going to attack anyways) will save you a bunch. The free given units though such as pilgrems are next to useless but good to take the hit from an arrow instead of the troops you do care about.

Like I said, it take a little thought but crusades are good if you know how to use them for your own advantage.

Rossignol
06-05-2011, 03:17 PM
I generally play the Stainless Steel mod, but the underlying principles are the same. As Bud mentioned, Crusades can really be a boon for the player if used right. One fun recent example (in SS) was when I was playing as the Crusader States. The Fatimids (Egypt) had me heavily outnumbered in the south and were showing signs that they were going to break our alliance soon. Fortunately, I was in good with the Pope and called a Crusade against Cairo.

A Crusade that somehow I just never quite got around to joining...

When the dust settled, Norway (?!) had managed to take Cairo and the Crusade in general had taken a serious toll on the Fatimids, perfectly setting me up to march my new and well-rested armies into the Nile delta region. The Fatimid nation was split into 3 fragments and fell fairly easily after that.

Remember your advantage: the human can always play dirtier pool than the computer.

DarthCannabis
07-03-2011, 06:17 PM
Alot will also depend on your papal standing. Every once in a while gift some florins to the papal states. Then when your attacked goe on defensive until that faction gets excomunicated for attacking you. If your papal relation is better then tables will get turned. Once they are excomunicated you can request crusades on thier cities (if crusade not in progress already), attack and excocute thier troops without mercy, and take back more cities than they took from you.

Also initially you said u sent 2 armies on crusade. This was a mistake, only send enough to join the crusade not so much that you are unable to defend against a betrayal. Don;t trust any faction fully, particularly those with dubious reputations.

sgtlongbow
08-24-2011, 04:08 AM
don't move them but keep a spy and assassin in with the army to protect it.


When you joined a crusade but during you get excommunicated you are not further allowed to participate the crusade. The pope doesn't want christian country's to fight eachother during crusades.
What you could have done is just wait untill the turns not allowed to attack are over. In that time you can build up an army to attack the french. Or if you had strong enough army in the region you could try provoce the french to attack you.. then they would got excommunicated and you can attack them after and take your lands back without the pope on your back.

Also think when you are excommunicated the pope will send assasins to your lands to murder your generals, priests, princesses. Move them away when you see one coming.