WAH WAH DEMO IS BAD

[ProtoBender]

If you're a regular person like myself who personally enjoyed DA:O and the dlc's, then you're probably looking forward to DA2 and tried out the demo. Looking for others who enjoyed it, I came to the forums only to see many ppl whining and crying their eyes out over DA2 being "the worst possible thing done to the DA franchise." I'm tired of it, honestly. Not everything is perfect in the game, I'll admit that. I wish the top-down view was back and that attacks actually feel like they do something. But its still a great demo and i know many others feel the same so, for all those topics crying over your "soon to be spent money", shut your **** ♥♥♥♥♥ mouths.

TLDR
Criers and whiners, get over yourselves and enjoy the game when it comes out.

[ProtoBender]

OH WAIT, when i said many up there, i meant the less than a dozen or so who go around posting consistently.
My bad . . .

[Necr0max]

I don't think this thread is really gunna quiet the crowd; in fact, it will do quite the opposite. Nevertheless: /popcorn

[Sonris89]

Quite, but its funny and I was getting sick of atheist reddit and I am just not feeling this primary source project at the moment. cheers.

[Bhavv]

No top down camera view = not worthy of being called Dragon Age 2. Simple.

And whining about people who didnt like the demo is far more worse than people who whine because they felt greatly let down by what they played.

[Rockworm]

LOL this thread is just gonna encourage them.

[ProtoBender]

Well, somethings gotta keep me entertained on these forums.
At least its a way to see if their arguements hold true againist scrutiny.
Also, Bhavv, the view, one aspect of the game shouldnt hold your ENTIRE judgement of the game within it, I played DA:O because i heard the gameplay was great, but playing it, i got lost in its amazing story so enough whining. Just enjoy it while it lasts because games like this arent that common as it is.

[Bhavv]

Well, somethings gotta keep me entertained on these forums.
At least its a way to see if their arguements hold true againist scrutiny.
Also, Bhavv, the view, one aspect of the game shouldnt hold your ENTIRE judgement of the game within it, I played DA:O because i heard the gameplay was great, but playing it, i got lost in its amazing story so enough whining. Just enjoy it while it lasts because games like this arent that common as it is.

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?

The top down view was the only way I could ever play DAO. I enjoy tactical combat and planning in these kind of Bioware games. Without that I fond the whole thing boring.

As for the story, that is completely meaningless and pointless. All I have to do to see the story is watch a playthrough on youtube, simple. No need to bother with the shoddy and frustrated dumbed down for consoles combat.

[rupok2]

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?

The top down view was the only way I could ever play DAO. I enjoy tactical combat and planning in these kind of Bioware games. Without that I fond the whole thing boring.

As for the story, that is completely meaningless and pointless. All I have to do to see the story is watch a playthrough on youtube, simple. No need to bother with the shoddy and frustrated dumbed down for consoles combat.


So wat ur saying is u don't care about the story in an rpg game? LOL

[DTKT]

Jesus, this thread wont help anything. :S

[ImBack87]

No top down camera view = not worthy of being called Dragon Age 2. Simple.

And whining about people who didnt like the demo is far more worse than people who whine because they felt greatly let down by what they played.

There's top down camera view, it's just not as zoomed out as it was in Origins.

[Wyglif]

After playing DA 2 demo for a bit I realize that I didn't use the full zoom out mode in DA:O at all times but I did appreciate the feature. An acceptable consolation prize would be to at least give us a FOV slider to allow us to simulate the effect to a degree.

[ProtoBender]

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?

The top down view was the only way I could ever play DAO. I enjoy tactical combat and planning in these kind of Bioware games. Without that I fond the whole thing boring.

As for the story, that is completely meaningless and pointless. All I have to do to see the story is watch a playthrough on youtube, simple. No need to bother with the shoddy and frustrated dumbed down for consoles combat.

*found
Also there's no reason to be mad at me, I'm simply trying to silence the fools who believe that DA2 will end up horribly.
It will most likely sell absolutely great. If it doesnt cater to your exact needs, find a different game or rather dont complain about something the game isnt AND DID NOT PROMISE TO BE (although the mod tools undoubtedly will let us recreate the top-down view)

[TheRejectedDude]

I liked the demo more than DA:O.

[ReinhartTR]

There were... there were people who didn't like this? It exceeded my expectations by leaps and bounds. And the combat, Jesus Christ the combat is good!

The only thing that I didn't really care for was that the interface was a little skeletal for my tastes and none of the characters did a thing for me except the dwarf, and I usually hate dwarves.

[ProtoBender]

To those of you posting about the demo being good, Thank you
My title was to mock those who consistently whined and devalued the demo and DA2 in general, if my opening speech was of little notice

[festa_freak]

I'm calling DA2 the Mass effectification of a great game. My meaning is ME1 was much better than the streamlined "MASS APPEALING" ME2.

[NuclearKetchup]

I'm calling DA2 the Mass effectification of a great game. My meaning is ME1 was much better than the streamlined "MASS APPEALING" ME2.

If your seriously saying that Mass Effect 1 was superior to its sequel then you are a very strange person indeed.

[festa_freak]

If your seriously saying that Mass Effect 1 was superior to its sequel then you are a very strange person indeed.

I am. No inventory. My save game was completely erased and EA/Bioware could not help so I had to use a save game editor to at least get my stats back which I didn't exactly know but worst of all my character was reset to look like the default. It may seem to not be a huge issue but after staring at my character all ME1 and ME2 to that point it is so immersion breaking.

I came across a few bugs where I got stuck in walls and behind counters with no way to get out. Last save = lose an hour or so of gameplay. Very buggy for me.

The story is alright but it just feels so streamlined that it is like playing a movie :(

[MJEdens]

No top down camera view = not worthy of being called Dragon Age 2. Simple.

And whining about people who didnt like the demo is far more worse than people who whine because they felt greatly let down by what they played.


No. No top down camera view = should not be called Dragon Age: Origins.


This is a new venture into the game world, I enjoyed the fact I could still tactically choose where I wanted my characters to be and what I wanted them to do.

I do have a concern in that I worry combat may be too easy, but if that -is- the case I'll merely amp up the difficulty.

This is -no- Dragon Age: Origins, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and everyone knew this game was going to be different prior to going into the demo. Lo and behold, it's different, and you act surprised.

This is Dragon Age II - it's different, which you knew going in. It has a different art style, which you knew going in.

If you don't like the game /as a game/, fine. Don't get it.

If you're not liking it because it -isn't the first game-...
A) Why did you bother playing it, hoping for Game One?
B) Regardless of the fact that a franchise must have strong similarities to properly call it a 'series', which this does, why do you 'hate the game' simply because the combat is faster and dialogue trees are gone?


... This is a rant of sorts, yes.
I don't mind people voicing their opinion, saying what they dislike about this DEMO. However, I -do- have an issue with people acting righteously indignant that it isn't the first game when they were - or should have been - aware of it prior to playing.

[sfade]

I could be mistaken, but this whole thread seems to be the OP attempting to hone his trolling skills.

It seems to be working.

[Sonris89]

I could be mistaken, but this whole thread seems to be the OP attempting to hone his trolling skills.

It seems to be working.

This whole forum is that for everyone who has ever heard of Baldurs gate.

[ShadowFighter15]

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?

The top down view was the only way I could ever play DAO. I enjoy tactical combat and planning in these kind of Bioware games. Without that I fond the whole thing boring.

As for the story, that is completely meaningless and pointless. All I have to do to see the story is watch a playthrough on youtube, simple. No need to bother with the shoddy and frustrated dumbed down for consoles combat.

Care to point out how the combat was dumbed down? Because I'm not seeing that many differences from the first game. Yeah, the animations are a little faster-paced and melee characters get that speed boost as they move towards their target (which makes sense - melee characters want to close with their opponent as quickly as possible, this just facilitates that), but beyond the lack of a proper top-down view and that Warriors can now hit multiple enemies with their basic attacks, I'm not seeing any differences.

Hell, the left-click-and-drag, RTS-style selection box is still in it.

[coopersnow]

The demo was great. The only bad part to me was it was repetitive and mainly only had about 2 little fights with darkspawn and 2 ogre fights, but I didn't expect anything more than a trial of the fighting mechanic. They can't give too much away and the game is too open to just condense it down to a demo.

[Graywind]

I think people who don't like the demo, are thinking, that they wanted a little bit more of what was DA:O, and a little less hack and slash gauntlet run.

[chaintm]

I think people who don't like the demo, are thinking, that they wanted a little bit more of what was DA:O, and a little less hack and slash gauntlet run.

nailed it.

[Sonris89]

I dont get hte hack and slash comments, maybe its the 360 version? I auto attacked, paused and used abilities from my squad just like in DA:O.

Only difference was the camera angles.

[Rockworm]

Yup just played the demo a second time around. It was easy but it didn't feel hack n slash. Hack n slash implies you just keep hitting attack where in this (PC version at least) You attack and its auto attack *GASP* just like the last game*
And spells and ablities have cooldowns *GASP* JUST LIKE THE LAST GAME!!!!
You can pause the game play and issue orders *GASP* JUST LIKE oh you get the idea.
Giving orders is more streamlined and faster paced oh unlike last game so obviously its been dumbed down.

[Kanten]

I dont get hte hack and slash comments, maybe its the 360 version? I auto attacked, paused and used abilities from my squad just like in DA:O.

Only difference was the camera angles.

-Endless darkspawn waves that are curbstomps rather than fights and literally pop out of thin air, all for the sake of "look how many guys you just killed"
-Characters swinging weapons and jumping around like they're in the latest anime
-Rogues suddenly have the ability to teleport rather than actually putting any effort into setting up a backstab, and can just mash the '1' key all day long
-Spam fireball to your heart's content, no planning necessary (putting FF in one difficulty is more of a throwaway than affecting any of the core gameplay mechanics"
-Using any semblance of planning turns the game into a steamroll because it uses the exact same difficulty settings as the hack and slash console version (thanks again for locking the difficulty)
-A majority of skills/spells removed from the game

[Kanten]

Yup just played the demo a second time around. It was easy but it didn't feel hack n slash. Hack n slash implies you just keep hitting attack where in this (PC version at least) You attack and its auto attack *GASP* just like the last game*
And spells and ablities have cooldowns *GASP* JUST LIKE THE LAST GAME!!!!
You can pause the game play and issue orders *GASP* JUST LIKE oh you get the idea.
Giving orders is more streamlined and faster paced oh unlike last game so obviously its been dumbed down.

And *GASP* EVERYTHING ELSE IS DIFFERENT!!!!

[Rockworm]

And *GASP* EVERYTHING ELSE IS DIFFERENT!!!!

Different is scary and bad and shame on bioware for trying it!!

[Kanten]

Different is scary and bad and shame on bioware for trying it!!

Yes, because this game called "Dragon Age" should not feel anything like that other game called "Dragon Age"!

Those people who expected a sequel to a game to be similar to the original are wrong, wrong wrong! The opinions that do matter are the people that don't like the series, because they are entitled to have everything made to their liking!

[Rockworm]

Yes, because this game called "Dragon Age" should not feel anything like that other game called "Dragon Age"!

Those people who expected a sequel to a game to be similar to the original are wrong, wrong wrong! The opinions that do matter are the people that don't like the series, because they are entitled to have everything made to their liking!

No we've already established that if you don't think Baldur's gate is the bestest game ever made then you don't deserve an opinion.

[Kanten]

No we've already established that if you don't think Baldur's gate is the bestest game ever made then you don't deserve an opinion.

What the hell does that even mean? It's not even about Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age was Dragon Age, DA2 is some kind of weird awkward mashup.

[Rockworm]

What the hell does that even mean? It's not even about Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age was Dragon Age, DA2 is some kind of weird awkward mashup.

Read other threads here.
If you don't worship the ground Baldurs gate walks on then your an idiot. (not my view I couldn't care less about the stupid game.)
The marketing for DAO said that its the spiritual successor to baldurs gate and I bet whoever came up with that slogan got fired.

[chokke]

The 10 year lead designer of BioWare quitted due to how DA2 turned out. I find that hillarious.

[OurSacrifice]

*found
Also there's no reason to be mad at me, I'm simply trying to silence the fools who believe that DA2 will end up horribly.
It will most likely sell absolutely great. If it doesnt cater to your exact needs, find a different game or rather dont complain about something the game isnt AND DID NOT PROMISE TO BE (although the mod tools undoubtedly will let us recreate the top-down view)

Quite the opposite. DA2 will end up incredibly successful because it appeals to the 12 year old ADD console kid gamer out there. There's far more of them then there are people that like challenging and tactical gameplay.

Everyone knew Bioware was going to go downhill after EA purchased them, it just sucks to see it happen.

To reference above post:

The bottom line is: to a greater or lesser extent, Brent Knowles left because the direction the game (DA2), and the company had changed to something he could not work for anymore because they were making the game into something he didnt envision as his type of game.

When your lead designer bails out, then something is truely wrong. Or do some of you actually think that nothing was wrong and he left for the heck of it? Read his own words. He was being polite, but there are some things couched in there, to be sure.

Not seeing that is being rather obtuse.

Note this here, from the blog:

I did some high level design for a potential new project but a few months later I realized that, given cutbacks and other things that it really seemed unlikely that the project I had been ‘assigned’ to was ever going to materialize. I can’t/won’t go into any other details other than to point to an old entry I made about this and reiterate: “I’m not the same person I was when I started, and BioWare isn’t the same company. ”

This man worked for 10 years for Bioware. He was there.

Any apologists still up for the notion that Bioware "is still the same as they ever were" argument?

Got over it. EA has them now, and will do what they want with them. If that means make lesser games in order to shuck out more product to be bought up by unexamining hordes, then thats what will happen.

The man who worked there 10 years has just shot your argument down. Completely.

Bioware has changed folks, and not for the better when a great designer like Brent Knowles feels he has to quit because of those changes.

[Arkeus]

Quite the opposite. DA2 will end up incredibly successful because it appeals to the 12 year old ADD console kid gamer out there. There's far more of them then there are people that like challenging and tactical gameplay.

I'd actually say that it's the 12 years old who really liked the "old" bioware of BG and so on.

And us that were 12 and are nostalgic about it.



Everyone knew Bioware was going to go downhill after EA purchased them, it just sucks to see it happen.

To reference above post:

It's possible. However, the demo shows a better grasp of psosile tactics that was in DA:O and better dialogs.

Now, it does seem to have a different UI, but that's a normal thing.

It's possible the new tactic possibilities won't be used in the game, and that it won't be challenging, but saying it before seeing the game is ridiculous.

Especially as DA:O was extremely easy on normal, and while much more tactical than BG, it still sinned by having overpowered methods and weak-asses classes.

I am so far very impressed at how balanced the 3 classes seems.

[Devnant]

Haters will be haters, fannboys will be fannboys.

[Bhavv]

So wat ur saying is u don't care about the story in an rpg game? LOL

Gameplay is far more important than story or graphics is what I am saying.

The gameplay in DA2 is a pile of turd.

[Bhavv]

There's top down camera view, it's just not as zoomed out as it was in Origins.

You serious? Have you ever played top down view tactical RPGs?

This game is absolute crap for people who didnt want yet another lame and boring hack and slash game.

[Bhavv]

This is a new venture into the game world, I enjoyed the fact I could still tactically choose where I wanted my characters to be and what I wanted them to do.


Oh right, so making the game exactly the same as the thousands of other cookie cutter lame simplistic RPG games out there is a 'new venture into the game world'?

You are a brainless tool.

Care to point out how the combat was dumbed down? Because I'm not seeing that many differences from the first game.

Then you obviously never played the first game on nightmare difficulty with the top down view, nor have you ever played Baldur's Gate. Not really surprising that you expect your games to be completely easy hack n slash games like DA2 rather than being tactical, strategic and challenging.


I think people who don't like the demo, are thinking, that they wanted a little bit more of what was DA:O, and a little less hack and slash gauntlet run.

Yea, exactly this.

[Super Fun]

DA2 sucks.

[Mouseraider]

The 10 year lead designer of BioWare quitted due to how DA2 turned out. I find that hillarious.

Could you please provide a link, because I have doubts that Mike Laidlaw quit.

[OurSacrifice]

Could you please provide a link, because I have doubts that Mike Laidlaw quit.

That's because Brent was the one that quit.

[Bhavv]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4982457/1

The bottom line is: to a greater or lesser extent, Brent Knowles left because the direction the game (DA2), and the company had changed to something he could not work for anymore because they were making the game into something he didnt envision as his type of game.

Brilliant? Hopefully he will set up another studio and make some decent RPGs instead of the crap that the now EA infected Bioware is putting out.

[Graywind]

Yup just played the demo a second time around. It was easy but it didn't feel hack n slash. Hack n slash implies you just keep hitting attack where in this (PC version at least) You attack and its auto attack *GASP* just like the last game*
And spells and ablities have cooldowns *GASP* JUST LIKE THE LAST GAME!!!!
You can pause the game play and issue orders *GASP* JUST LIKE oh you get the idea.
Giving orders is more streamlined and faster paced oh unlike last game so obviously its been dumbed down.

I was talking about how the game feels, not how it plays.....

[Mouseraider]

Thanks OurSacrifice, I didn't realise that we were still talking about news from early September 2009, when the guy actually left BioWare.

[Bhavv]

Thanks OurSacrifice, I didn't realise that we were still talking about news from early September 2009, when the guy actually left BioWare.

Well this is what he said:

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter

Thats exactly how I feel about DA2 as well.

[JoxerNL]

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?
Stop telling people their opinion is trash OK?

[Bhavv]

Stop telling people their oppinion is trash OK?

Learn how to spell opinion or how to use the spell checker, OK?

[JoxerNL]

Learn how to spell opinion or how to use the spell checker, OK?

edit for the win, and im sorry not everyone is native english :)

[Arkeus]

Then you obviously never played the first game on nightmare difficulty with the top down view, nor have you ever played Baldur's Gate. Not really surprising that you expect your games to be completely easy hack n slash games like DA2 rather than being tactical, strategic and challenging.

Are you complaining that a DEMO in LOCKED NORMAL difficulty is easier than DA:O in nightmare?

Seriously?

Honestly, the high-top-down view doesn't make anything more tactical. In fact, the increased speed of the game, as well as the stronger Warriors and Rogue *will* bring better tactics (if the difficult/nightmare diffculties are well done).

[loranthis]

I cannot make this DA2 demo work so I cannot complain. This is a bit sad.

[Mouseraider]

Are you getting an error, or is it something else. Have you attempted both the bioware and steam version yet? my brother for example had some trouble yesterday because the demo he downloaded from bioware was missing some files.

[OurSacrifice]

Honestly, the high-top-down view doesn't make anything more tactical. In fact, the increased speed of the game, as well as the stronger Warriors and Rogue *will* bring better tactics (if the difficult/nightmare diffculties are well done).

Unlikely. The fast paced simplistic nature of the game and the complete removal of an isometric tactical camera clearly shows the game is no longer about controlling everyone and more just running around acting like a Dynasty Warrior.

[birous]

My first reaction after playing the demo was to pre-order the game! .. yeah, bad job bioware lol

(just so you know, .. I did play dragon age and awakening and loved to pause the game every half second on tactical view)

[Bhavv]

edit for the win, and im sorry not everyone is native english :)

I'm not native English but I at least know how to spot when the same 10 words in a single post are underlined in red.

[JoxerNL]

Again, my windows aint in english, so it comes up with red lines with every single word ;)

Nice try though troll :)

[Arkeus]

Unlikely. The fast paced simplistic nature of the game and the complete removal of an isometric tactical camera clearly shows the game is no longer about controlling everyone and more just running around acting like a Dynasty Warrior.

Why?

First, yo ucan still view from top-down.

Second, the new and different skills are all about crowd control and things that are mostly useful for tactics.

Third, you are basically saying "if it's not done the way i am used to, i can't think anymore". Where does that come from?

I readily agree that the demo was really, really easy.

But given saving was locked, and the difficulty was locked, it's obvious they couldn't and didn't want to scare the public.

Is it a problem the game doesn't only cater to the tactical niche? Not to me, as long as there is the possibility to up the difficulty to where all the neemies use these nifty new skills that would break any of the old boring "tactics" in DA:O that we all know by heart.

[Kanten]

Could you please provide a link, because I have doubts that Mike Laidlaw quit.

I wish it was Mike Laidlaw that quit.

[soviet_sharkey]

The demo WAS fun but it was very glitchy for me and some aspects do seem 2"consolised" however most people are overexagerating.

[MJEdens]

Unlikely. The fast paced simplistic nature of the game and the complete removal of an isometric tactical camera clearly shows the game is no longer about controlling everyone and more just running around acting like a Dynasty Warrior.


Huh. Odd. I still managed to pause the game every couple seconds to give out orders to my characters; still managed to switch between the entire party just fine, and could tell what was going on.

Your point here, that the game is not about controlling everyone, may apply to the 360 - if only because the pause / switch / command tactic which IS on the console is a pain in the ♥♥♥ - but not to the PC. The story is about the protagonist, but the method of combat for me is the exact same it was in DA:O, particularly from levels 1-4 (which, if you recall, is about all the Demo allows you to see).


In the beginning of the demo, prior to the 'real events that occur,' yes, you feel like you're in Dynasty Warrior. That's the Legend, however, and the gameplay following that was not - for me, in any case - like Dynasty Warrior at all. It wasn't difficult, that's a definite, but it was locked on Normal.

Easy enough fix.

[V3l0c1ty25]

As quoted from the demo page...

'This demo represents just a small taste of what Dragon Age 2 has to offer. With a whole new realm to discover, and an all-new hero to become, players will go deeper into the world of Dragon Age unlike ever before in an adventure that shapes itself around every decision you make. The time has now come to engage in action-packed, dynamic combat that allows you to think like a general and fight like a Spartan! The legend of your rise to power, begins now!'

In short for anyone who is actually crying about the demo been bad then you obviously cannot read. Its a TASTE, get it? I noticed someone saying you feel like a dynasty warrior now but I suppose that adds to the whole 'Champion' feel but they havent taken away the whole 'control the team' thing...its just alot more fast paced than the first game AND its stuck on normal mode. Im telling you once it comes out you might not feel like such a dynasty warrior when you try a harder difficulty.

This is all ofcourse my own honest opinion

[ProtoBender]

I could be mistaken, but this whole thread seems to be the OP attempting to hone his trolling skills.

It seems to be working.

Damn, stop noticing things that are obvious!

[Pheonix Wright]

So wat ur saying is u don't care about the story in an rpg game? LOL

what he's saying is that if that was all that mattered he'd be watching it rather than playing. It's a game if all it's other aspects are ♥♥♥♥ty to the point of being a chore to play it ain't worth playing...besides that who the hell plays bioware games for the story? they have the crappiest writers go play planescape torment or fallout 1/2 those are games that actually have decent writing and gameplay.

[OurSacrifice]

Why?

First, yo ucan still view from top-down.

No you can't.

Second, the new and different skills are all about crowd control and things that are mostly useful for tactics.

No they aren't. Scyth and whirlwind are about blowing up huge packs of enemies at a time. Have you even seen the AoE devastation in the fire tree as well?

Third, you are basically saying "if it's not done the way i am used to, i can't think anymore". Where does that come from?

I'm saying that it's no longer a tactical game from a combat perspective. It's now about mowing down enemy after enemy, or should I say WAVE AFTER WAVE.

Is it a problem the game doesn't only cater to the tactical niche? Not to me, as long as there is the possibility to up the difficulty to where all the neemies use these nifty new skills that would break any of the old boring "tactics" in DA:O that we all know by heart.

I view it as an issue because there are hundreds of games like this out there already. The tactical games like the original Dragon Age are becoming scarce. For Bioware to sell out like this is disturbing.

[The Sleeper]

dynamic combat that allows you to think like a general and fight like a Spartan!

From everything I have heard on normal its not required to think like a general because the rest of your party does just fine an even with your character you don't need to do anything other than auto attack.

Also I hope you realize that Spartans all stood in a organized unit with everyone having a place not running all around the battle field chopping people up here and there.

[ShadowFighter15]

No they aren't. Scyth and whirlwind are about blowing up huge packs of enemies at a time. Have you even seen the AoE devastation in the fire tree as well?

Once you get into the actual events (and not Varric's embellished version at the start) Fireball and Scythe didn't seem overly powerful. I'd fire it into a group of hurlocks and they'd all be alive. They'd all lost a solid chunk of health (apart from the Hurlock Grunts - stubborn bastards) but they were still alive and kicking. Same deal with Scythe, it wasn't killing anything that wasn't already low on health.

I'm saying that it's no longer a tactical game from a combat perspective. It's now about mowing down enemy after enemy, or should I say WAVE AFTER WAVE.

In that situation, the waves make sense. You're surrounded by hordes of Darkspawn, of course they'll be coming from all directions and forcing you to hold a position until there's a chance to run.

I don't remember any waves of enemies in the Kirkwall section, unless you count the guys entering the Chantry behind you while fighting Hayder, and they make sense when you consider the situation. Hayder would prepare for the possibility that Isabella would find him, so stationed guys outside to stop her or at least warn him. They guys entering the Chantry during the fight with Hayder would've seen you fighting their friends in the courtyard and only just caught up.


Then you obviously never played the first game on nightmare difficulty with the top down view, nor have you ever played Baldur's Gate. Not really surprising that you expect your games to be completely easy hack n slash games like DA2 rather than being tactical, strategic and challenging.

So you're comparing DA2's normal difficulty to DA:O's Nightmare? Yes, that's a perfect comparison. I used the top-down view in the first game almost exclusively unless it was just the Warden on his own against only one or two enemies (like the Fade part of the Mage Origin or the Provings in Orzammar) and I have tried Baldur's Gate but couldn't get my head around the 2nd Edition DnD ruleset it used.

[Bhavv]

So you're comparing DA2's normal difficulty to DA:O's Nightmare? Yes, that's a perfect comparison. I used the top-down view in the first game almost exclusively unless it was just the Warden on his own against only one or two enemies (like the Fade part of the Mage Origin or the Provings in Orzammar) and I have tried Baldur's Gate but couldn't get my head around the 2nd Edition DnD ruleset it used.

No I wasnt. You have selective reading at its finest.

Even on NORMAL difficulty (at least on the PC), DAO was challenging, had friendly fire, and very tactical play.

DAO on NORMAL seems to be what DA2 will be on NIGHTMARE, minus the obviously required top down view to manage friendly fire and AoE spells.

The DnD ruleset was a PITA in Baldur's Gate, I agree, its a very outdated format for spells and battle that wouldnt work today. But DAO offered the same style of tactical top down view gameplay without all the annoying rules. In DA2, they have completely removed that, and this even caused the lead developer at Bioware to quit.

[OurSacrifice]

Once you get into the actual events (and not Varric's embellished version at the start) Fireball and Scythe didn't seem overly powerful. I'd fire it into a group of hurlocks and they'd all be alive. They'd all lost a solid chunk of health (apart from the Hurlock Grunts - stubborn bastards) but they were still alive and kicking. Same deal with Scythe, it wasn't killing anything that wasn't already low on health.

I had zero problems blowing up multitudes of enemies at once during the Hayder encounter. Fire tree +25% fire damage plus scythe = dead packs. No effort involved really. Hell cleaving 2 with just a mighty blow was a joke.

In that situation, the waves make sense. You're surrounded by hordes of Darkspawn, of course they'll be coming from all directions and forcing you to hold a position until there's a chance to run.

Riiiight.

I don't remember any waves of enemies in the Kirkwall section, unless you count the guys entering the Chantry behind you while fighting Hayder, and they make sense when you consider the situation. Hayder would prepare for the possibility that Isabella would find him, so stationed guys outside to stop her or at least warn him. They guys entering the Chantry during the fight with Hayder would've seen you fighting their friends in the courtyard and only just caught up.

Always makes "sense" when cheerleaders sing their praises... Afterall the "stationed guys" are clearly expert ninja hiding in the shadows because you do go through the same door they magically appear at.

This series turned from "moderately difficult encounters based on your party composition" (more mages = simple game) to "a test of will of being able to tolerate this any longer".

[Sonris89]

No I wasnt. You have selective reading at its finest.

Even on NORMAL difficulty (at least on the PC), DAO was challenging, had friendly fire, and very tactical play.

DAO on NORMAL seems to be what DA2 will be on NIGHTMARE, minus the obviously required top down view to manage friendly fire and AoE spells.

The DnD ruleset was a PITA in Baldur's Gate, I agree, its a very outdated format for spells and battle that wouldnt work today. But DAO offered the same style of tactical top down view gameplay without all the annoying rules. In DA2, they have completely removed that, and this even caused the lead developer at Bioware to quit.


Unless that developer comes out and says why he quit is because Dragon age 2 sucks so bad. Actually he quit because it had a set in stone protagonist, which honestly I can deal with. The whole playing different races to be immeresed in Dragon age O kinda got screwed up to begin with where you had dwarfs getting pulled into the fade which was complete fluff ♥♥♥♥ and the only origin that really had alot of options to go with was the human noble. I could be an elf and get called knife ears all game or be a human avenge my family and maybe become king/queen?

I respect that developers view to leave, but I really don't share it. Having a fixed charecter isn't a bad thing, I loved playing Shepard in both mass effects and its easy to write a story if you have a better idea who you are writing about.

[ShadowFighter15]

I had zero problems blowing up multitudes of enemies at once during the Hayder encounter. Fire tree +25% fire damage plus scythe = dead packs. No effort involved really. Hell cleaving 2 with just a mighty blow was a joke.

Well I've never been that fortunate. Sure, Firestorm's helped against the rank and file troops, but it's a bit hit-or-miss how many'll be killed because of how the actual balls of fire seem to land randomly in the area of effect and don't have much of an blast radius.

Riiiight.

Then where could they have run to? They were moving South from Lothering towards the Wilds. The same place the Darkspawn were coming from. To the North, Lothering is already a smouldering ruin with more of the horde marching on from there. The group are heading the only way they can and when they get to the plateau, Darkspawn are coming from every way off it. Where the hell do you expect them to be able to go?

Hawke's mother and Ser Wesly would be killed if they tried to force their way down one exit (Darkspawn from the other directions would cut them down). If those two were in the middle of Hawke, Bethany/Carver and Aveline, they could get in the way or stray crossbow bolts could kill them. They obviously can't go in-front. How else would you get off that plateau when you've got a non-combatant and a wounded man with only three people who can actually fight, other than hold out and pray for a gap in the horde?

Always makes "sense" when cheerleaders sing their praises... Afterall the "stationed guys" are clearly expert ninja hiding in the shadows because you do go through the same door they magically appear at.

I was implying that they'd arrived in the courtyard outside not long after you'd gone into the Chantry. They would've seen their dead friends, noticed that there aren't any guards around checking the bodies (meaning it wasn't the guards who killed them) and realised that something had gone wrong and would rush to Hayder. As soon as they enter the Chantry, they see four strangers and Isabella trying to kill Hayder so move to his defence. Hayder would've had guys placed all over the district to slow Isabella down or mis-direct her. It's what I'd do in his position at least.

[Bhavv]

Unless that developer comes out and says why he quit is because Dragon age 2 sucks so bad. Actually he quit because it had a set in stone protagonist, which honestly I can deal with. The whole playing different races to be immeresed in Dragon age O kinda got screwed up to begin with where you had dwarfs getting pulled into the fade which was complete fluff ♥♥♥♥ and the only origin that really had alot of options to go with was the human noble. I could be an elf and get called knife ears all game or be a human avenge my family and maybe become king/queen?

I respect that developers view to leave, but I really don't share it. Having a fixed charecter isn't a bad thing, I loved playing Shepard in both mass effects and its easy to write a story if you have a better idea who you are writing about.

He did leave because of the direction DA2 was taking, he wrote that on his blog!

http://blog.brentknowles.com/2010/08/15/bioware-brent-year-10-fall-2008-summer-2009/

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter.

....

“I’m not the same person I was when I started, and BioWare isn’t the same company. ”

...

So I quit...

He clearly left because of the lack of tactical party control and combat, it says right there.

[GisleAune]

The haters usually want to make themselves heard and like to whine to no end. That's why it looks like there's more hate than love. Indifference or "it was ok" is nowhere to be found on the internet - it's love it or dedicate oneself to fight against its existance.

[XmXFLUXmX]

It's funny how condescending the cultist fans get when defending their game and how they have to resort to character assassination. It's like any opinion expressed that doesn't blindly worship this game comes from the mouth of "whiny crybabies"

To all of you dunderheads with this mindset, you are the perfect customer because of your lack of cognitive facilities and how you'll gobble up some poorly made game for $60 + day 1 DLC's because of your emotional attachment to Bioware. We get that you like your game, fantastic good, for you. But let us speak our minds. If we all just blindly agreed with everything, nothing would ever change and the world would be a nightmare of stupidity of epic proportions.

Hell, even the OP is steaming mad that not everyone agrees with him.

[GisleAune]

It's funny how condescending the cultist fans get when defending their game and how they have to resort to character assassination. It's like any opinion expressed that doesn't blindly worship this game comes from the mouth of "whiny crybabies"

To all of you dunderheads with this mindset, you are the perfect customer because of your lack of cognitive facilities and how you'll gobble up some poorly made game for $60 + day 1 DLC's because of your emotional attachment to Bioware. We get that you like your game, fantastic good, for you. But let us speak our minds. If we all just blindly agreed with everything, nothing would ever change and the world would be a nightmare of stupidity of epic proportions.

Hell, even the OP is steaming mad that not everyone agrees with him.
It's funny how condescending the haters get when fighting a war agianst the thing they hate rather than moving on.

You claim the opposing party is bad. However, you are jsut the hater counterpart yourself.

The hating side always make themselves sound greater as they hate the popular. It's entierly ok to dislike, which is what you do. Dragon Age 2 haven't come into your house and slaughtered your family. You could jsut cancel the pre-order and move on, why do you need to express yoru hate through sometimes misinformed bandwagons and fallacies made out of fears.

I hate the darkspawn creatures in this game, but we haven't seen any other enemy - yet you guys say every enemy suck.

Haters are all the same. Whether it's about music, games and movies. Live and let live!

[x181]

Eh I had something ill-intentioned written here but decided it wasn't worth aggravating the situation.

[XmXFLUXmX]

You claim the opposing party is bad. However, you are jsut the hater counterpart yourself.

The hating side always make themselves sound greater as they hate the popular. It's entierly ok to dislike, which is what you do. Dragon Age 2 haven't come into your house and slaughtered your family. You could jsut cancel the pre-order and move on, why do you need to express yoru hate through sometimes misinformed bandwagons and fallacies made out of fears.

I hate the darkspawn creatures in this game, but we haven't seen any other enemy - yet you guys say every enemy suck.

Haters are all the same. Whether it's about music, games and movies. Live and let live!


I have never claimed that the opposing views are "bad" so you are deliberately lying and misrepresenting me. You ever think that people don't like this game because of their own personal opinion and not because of "bandwagon"? Once again, the buzzword "hater" is dropped because you couldn't possibly fathom that maybe people have legitimate concerns on the way this game is turning out. I've listed out why I don't like this game in great detail on my thread about canceling my preorder.

People that don't like this game aren't "haters", they just want to express their opinions just like you are.

[bartmanekul]

I always find it funny when people rage against the ones who don't like the game.

Sure, theres some silly rants about nonsensical stuff. But some people do have genuine reasons, and this is the correct forum for the game.

And that is what demos are for, is it not? To give you a taste of the game.

The loonies aside, most people here complaining are dissapointed because the game isn't what they thought it would be (I am one of these), and have reason too.

If someone is being illogical and ranty, fair enough.

But if someone is expressing their opinions of the game, in this forum then at least give them some credit, even if your opinion isn't the same.

[JoxerNL]

Sure, theres some silly rants about nonsensical stuff. But some people do have genuine reasons, and this is the correct forum for the game.


Actually... http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/141/index
This is the correct forum, your voice is actually heard there as the devs look at those forums, here however your just echoing on and on with the same posts i saw yesterday and the day before, only ones who read these are steam forum visitors, no one of importance as far as it comes to game development.

Your fine in not liking the game, but maybe some of you who dont like it need to get in touch with real life as obviously the fact your not enjoying DA2 as much is distressing you to such a level where you find some sort of "need" to continue posting the exact same posts several times a day on a forum that is of no importance, i'd suggest going to the Bioware forums, your voice will be able to join the many others that do agree with you there.

[bartmanekul]

So...those people who join in the discussion (or simply flame) the ones on here are not doing something even more pointless? Pot kettle black.

These forums are for discussion of the game, the demo is on Steam, and some people can't be bothered to create yet another account on another forum.

Perhaps some people just want to say to others reading it in the forums how they feel. It's just that some of the more rabid game defenders go against any sort of opinion at all, and group everyone together.

Maybe some of you who defend the game ought to get in touch with real life, and more importantly learn what a hippocrite is.

[richymun4]

It's funny how condescending the haters get when fighting a war agianst the thing they hate rather than moving on.

You claim the opposing party is bad. However, you are jsut the hater counterpart yourself.

The hating side always make themselves sound greater as they hate the popular. It's entierly ok to dislike, which is what you do. Dragon Age 2 haven't come into your house and slaughtered your family. You could jsut cancel the pre-order and move on, why do you need to express yoru hate through sometimes misinformed bandwagons and fallacies made out of fears.

I hate the darkspawn creatures in this game, but we haven't seen any other enemy - yet you guys say every enemy suck.

Haters are all the same. Whether it's about music, games and movies. Live and let live!

Becuse the people who dont like the game are entitled to there opinion just as the people who do like the game are entitled to thier opinion who are you to tell people to cancel their orders and to just move on in the country i live we have this thing called free speech.I guess your vision of the perfect world is everybody holding hands and wearing flowers in our hair singing Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya.

[x181]

Becuse the people who dont like the game are entitled to there opinion just as the people who do like the game are entitled to thier opinion who are you to tell people to cancel their orders and to just move on in the country i live we have this thing called free speech.I guess your vision of the perfect world is everybody holding hands and wearing flowers in our hair singing Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya.

I'm guessing you weren't a fan of the violent hippie main character in the Dragon Age 2 demo.

[JoxerNL]

So...those people who join in the discussion (or simply flame) the ones on here are not doing something even more pointless? Pot kettle black.

These forums are for discussion of the game, the demo is on Steam, and some people can't be bothered to create yet another account on another forum.

Perhaps some people just want to say to others reading it in the forums how they feel. It's just that some of the more rabid game defenders go against any sort of opinion at all, and group everyone together.

Maybe some of you who defend the game ought to get in touch with real life, and more importantly learn what a hippocrite is.

Oh i dont mind a healthy discussion at all, you in particular have had a few good points along with a normal discussion attitude.
Others however do not, and claim thsoe who have a diffrent opinion are simply sheep or are tards or have a low IQ.
Mind this all because they do not share their opinion, that in itself is basic racism of the purest order.

The fact remains that all the downsides have been posted, hell if i was so disspointed with a game i'd have moved along looking for the next big thing (and there is quite a few awesome games comming out this year, Skyrim anyone?! <- my fav this year by far).

Some though persist and remain to do nothing more then troll and bash those who have a diffrent oppinion, the proof is found in the two threads which already got locked since it just ended in trolling, flame-baiting and bashing.

Pity for those who had offered good constructive critisms about the game itself, as a healthy discussion like that can usually help some people who are stuck on deciding if they want to buy it or not.
Or even give advice to those who seek to cancell their pre-order.

/J

[syrupwontstopem]

Lol, these threads are like the opposite of healthy discussion. It's the same few people on both sides just making passive-aggressive insults and pretending they're being civil. I see pages of argument and it's just the same 2-3 people going back and forth -_- ... I wish they'd just take it to PMs so I can see some other peoples opinions without it getting drowned out by the same few people.

[Smertnik]

Lol, these threads are like the opposite of healthy discussion. It's the same few people on both sides just making passive-aggressive insults and pretending they're being civil. I see pages of argument and it's just the same 2-3 people going back and forth -_- ... I wish they'd just take it to PMs so I can see some other peoples opinions without it getting drowned out by the same few people.
Well, you can always put all those people on the ignore list.

[bartmanekul]

Oh i dont mind a healthy discussion at all, you in particular have had a few good points along with a normal discussion attitude.
Others however do not, and claim thsoe who have a diffrent opinion are simply sheep or are tards or have a low IQ.
Mind this all because they do not share their opinion, that in itself is basic racism of the purest order.

The fact remains that all the downsides have been posted, hell if i was so disspointed with a game i'd have moved along looking for the next big thing (and there is quite a few awesome games comming out this year, Skyrim anyone?! <- my fav this year by far).

Some though persist and remain to do nothing more then troll and bash those who have a diffrent oppinion, the proof is found in the two threads which already got locked since it just ended in trolling, flame-baiting and bashing.

Pity for those who had offered good constructive critisms about the game itself, as a healthy discussion like that can usually help some people who are stuck on deciding if they want to buy it or not.
Or even give advice to those who seek to cancell their pre-order.

/J

Indeed, but then why don't people ignore those? If they are not being reasonable, why bother entering a discussion and arguing with them?

It's not racisim in any shape or form, and not the best thing to say so. It's completely incorrect and gets peoples backs up needlessly.

In among all the crap, there is some truth in it. The much repeated thing about being dumbed down for consoles is true I reckon.

In some cases it's a good thing, as quite often people playing consoles are used to a certain sort of game.

But now we are seeing poorer graphics, monsters which simply don't look as good, a combat look which is much more actioney (I hope people understand what I mean), and all the rest of it.

This suits some people, which is obvious from some posts. My grump is that they should have made a different game, and kept this line in the same style (Baldars gate, DAo, etc etc) for DA2.

[Thoddy398]

No top down camera view = not worthy of being called Dragon Age 2. Simple.

My DA:2 demo has a top down camera. Simple.

[syrupwontstopem]

Well, you can always put all those people on the ignore list.

Yea, I meant it more like a few people keep derailing real discussion. Wouldn't matter if I put them on ignore, everyone else just responds to their troll comments :rolleyes:

[JoxerNL]

Indeed, but then why don't people ignore those? If they are not being reasonable, why bother entering a discussion and arguing with them?

It's not racisim in any shape or form, and not the best thing to say so. It's completely incorrect and gets peoples backs up needlessly.

In among all the crap, there is some truth in it. The much repeated thing about being dumbed down for consoles is true I reckon.

In some cases it's a good thing, as quite often people playing consoles are used to a certain sort of game.

But now we are seeing poorer graphics, monsters which simply don't look as good, a combat look which is much more actioney (I hope people understand what I mean), and all the rest of it.

This suits some people, which is obvious from some posts. My grump is that they should have made a different game, and kept this line in the same style (Baldars gate, DAo, etc etc) for DA2.

-Difficulty, Ok as far as i know, we are all playing on either easy or normal mode, which is very understandable in a limited demo, untill i play the game on Nightmare mode which i had the most fun with in DA:O, i cant really comment on the difficulty level, and those saying it's "easy" are simply guessing on their limited experience with a playable demo level.

-Poorer graphics, see i dont know what's going on here, for me, the game looks graphically superior to DA:O, even moreso, whereas DA:O at times would come to a small laggspike during battles, thusfar in the limited experience which a playable demo gives me, i did not see any hint of lagg, again looks good thusfar but cannot comment on it really.
What are people running it on? perhaps they havent upgraded to DX11 or they forgot to put their settings right? really dont understand how anyone can say it looks worse then DA:O...

-Combat, i played it exactly like i played DA:O, pause, queu up special attacks, pause... etc ,the only thing that changed was that the auto attacks now are small 3 hit chains, woopdeedoo, nothing changed here either, in DA:O you could spam buttons till your fingers were numb once you got to a sufficient level with a bunch of skills.

And it's funny you mention Baldur's Gate, im a big fan of BG1, i played that a million times and loved the plot twist at the end.
But i hated BG2, too much nonsense talking, too much dialogue which really felt as if it was "just put in" for filler.

But again completely my personal opinion :)
/J

[bartmanekul]

Joxer, you got my points entirely wrong, I wasn't on about difficulty or tactics for the combat, more the feel (over the top, etc).

I never got the lagspike in DAo, both games run smooth, I just found it was very lacking in visuals. I'm running it on a powerful machine, DX11 enabled.

[Digideus]

Being new to DA, I installed the demo and was looking forward to playing it after hearing that is was so anticipated, but after watching everyone in my party die continuously in every combat and being thoroughly unimpressed with the clunky and unresponsive combat system, I have come to the conclusion that DA2 is nothing more than an updated version of Jade Empire, which suffered with the exact same problems. I know this is only my point of view, but I expected more and I fail to see what everyone is so hyped up about? This is a mediocre console style RPG game at best.

[bartmanekul]

If you have the option, try and play the original and see what you think of it.

[JoxerNL]

If people die constantly it means you need tot ake more charge, mash that spacebar every few seconds and give everyone roders.

As Bartman said, DA:O is a great way to learn this if you start ramping up the difficulty level, especially with some of the DLC, like Golems of Amkhorrwhatsitsname.

Personally thusfar DA:O was a sublime game, and if your on the ropes about what to get, i really suggest getting DA:O first!
Though you might want to wait afew times as usually when a part 2 comes steam puts part 1 on sale.

[Lazyorb]

He did leave because of the direction DA2 was taking, he wrote that on his blog!

http://blog.brentknowles.com/2010/08/15/bioware-brent-year-10-fall-2008-summer-2009/



He clearly left because of the lack of tactical party control and combat, it says right there.

So your calling laidlaw a liar?

Brent left before we'd started any solid plans on Dragon Age II. Just conjecture, but I doubt he would declare DA2 an unworthy successor were he to play it today. He'd probably have some awesome feedback, though! Brent is a kick-♥♥♥ designer.

[ProtoBender]

Hell, even the OP is steaming mad that not everyone agrees with him.

What WHAT?!
THIS COMMENTS ANGERS OP!
But in all seriousness, the demo wasnt the greatest, it honestly wasnt up to snuff with what i expect from bioware at this point but consistently demeaning to the point of major annoyance was just . . .
The demo was not as bad as you all are making it seem.
That being said, its also not as GOOD as some of you are trying to make it out to be.
All in all, calm the ♥♥♥♥ down, we will find out the full story when the actual game releases.

[sugam]

well, there you go, its another Mass effect tittle. some people like them, the one track storyline, limited feel in tactics/choices, the "you are a hero and you rock!" kind of feeling they keep feeding the player. I was not going to buy the equal regardless, but I am a little disappointed that it turned into something like this. There is no comparative to BG 1 or 2, oh well maybe one day they will get it right.

people who do enjoy these kind of games, go ahead, there is no fault in it. Play what amuses you.

[sit_on_it]

I had fun playing the demo but I feel guilty for doing so, I can relate to the people who are saying that DA2 has been "consolised" and "EAised" it’s definitely a different game, a path too many other PC games have taken in the past. My only saving grace is that it’s as big as DAO and that the story is as good. I won’t cast any assumptions yet however until I play the whole game.

[XtremeDogg]

i like the combat its more involved and intense.. plus it doesnt feel like you have to pause the game every second or your dead. AI seems smart enough to handle themselves.. Its more like mass effect and i liked mass effect better. Getting tired of old school wow based combat rpgs.. time to make players feel like the combat is intense.


I used to like neverwinter nights, the 2nd got butchered by poor animation and lame combat... Im glad to see they are experiementing and mixing it up. I have trouble playing DA Origins because the combat isnt all that exciting... its way better then neverwinter but not better then this.


I still remember the skeptics when Fallout was becoming a FPS RPG... "Oh it will be horrible waaaah" Gta was an overhead look at it now.

[Zamav]

If you think the game is great, good for you. If its really great, it will have no problem sifting trough the naysayers to reach the bright sunlight on its own. Trolls will cover in fear and shame when this happens. This happened on Dragon Age: Origins release.

Don't understand why people get so jarateed about whiners though, its almost like compensating for something, or lack thereof.

[XtremeDogg]

If you think the game is great, good for you. If its really great, it will have no problem sifting trough the naysayers to reach the bright sunlight on its own. Trolls will cover in fear and shame when this happens.

If its not, well :p

Don't understand why people get so jarateed about whiners though, its almost like compensating for something, or lack thereof.

ppl dont like change thats what it is. i like it mixed up a bit i get tired of same style games over and over again. thats why i play wierd games like Bloody good time, the ship, the guild, evil genius... Or games that say they are strategy meets FPS ... RISE and FALL let you go into 3rd person and control your hero I still love that game just for that..

[Aemony]

INTERACTIVE MOVIES, HERE WE COME! :D

[Clock King]

WAH WAH I'm a 10 year old console kiddie who, deep down, doesn't understand the thousand subtle changes BioHazard have made going from Origins to DA2! My little ADHD-afflicted brain is troubled by moments of insecurity when I just can't comprehend why people say this game has been dumbed down for the masses. If I press a button and clap my hands and think "something awesome just happened", does that make me mentally challenged?

There, troll fed. Now in seriousness - if you like action games, great, you'll probably have fun with DA2. It's in no way terrible. However if you want a deep, cerebral, tactical, emotionally mature game, (ie a SEQUEL to Origins) then BioWare have just criticaled you with a backstab. For starters, no game that is HALF the length of Origins can be as deep (Swedish PC gamer time, not mine).

I will buy this game when it hits $20 - bundled with the 6-7 pieces of little 20 minute DLC that would othewise have cost me another $60. I have no doubt that for $20, this will be a good buy.

[orochi_hugo]

I liked the demo

[Trindogshow]

you guys really should consider getting your post count up and possibly some reputation before you try to offer suggestions

[lyravega]

WAH WAH I'm a 10 year old console kiddie who, deep down, doesn't understand the thousand subtle changes BioHazard have made going from Origins to DA2! My little ADHD-afflicted brain is troubled by moments of insecurity when I just can't comprehend why people say this game has been dumbed down for the masses. If I press a button and clap my hands and think "something awesome just happened", does that make me mentally challenged?

There, troll fed. Now in seriousness - if you like action games, great, you'll probably have fun with DA2. It's in no way terrible. However if you want a deep, cerebral, tactical, emotionally mature game, (ie a SEQUEL to Origins) then BioWare have just criticaled you with a backstab. For starters, no game that is HALF the length of Origins can be as deep (Swedish PC gamer time, not mine).

I will buy this game when it hits $20 - bundled with the 6-7 pieces of little 20 minute DLC that would othewise have cost me another $60. I have no doubt that for $20, this will be a good buy.

agreed

[kozzy420]

I wish demos didnt come out to be honest.
Its far to easy for trolls to say THIS GAME SUCKS@! WORST GAME EVER!!!
even though they didnt play the full game, just a short demo.

Demos for rpgs?? Come on now.. how can you get a good idea of an rpg from a demo, its silly really.

Lets try the game next week when it comes out and see how it is. Bioware has NEVER made a bad game yet so we shall see if they can keep that up.

I find it funny that people talk trash about the game before its out.. you played a very short old demo, you have no idea how the fullv version will be.

Oh well, your loss.

[SpectralShade]

Demos for rpgs?? Come on now.. how can you get a good idea of an rpg from a demo, its silly really.

A good demo gives you a feel for what the game would be like. A crap demo doesn't.

If you are saying that the demo isn't showcasing what the demo will be like (and since none of us have access to a playable version of the game, I will take that as a pure guess/assumption from you), then you are claiming the demo is crap and not worth the code it comprimises of.

Regardless of wether it proper showcases the game, I personally feel the demo is crap from a technical standpoint, but if it is crap from a contex standpoint remains to be seen. I won't be the one seeing it untill the game gets on sale as a GOTY/Ultimate version, though, as I see nothing so far to warrant a 'new' buy of it.

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The whole mantra of "it's only a demo" doesn't work for me. It's like someone tasting a bit of cheese, and when finding it tastes horrible to them - saying "oh, it's only a sample - if I buy the whole thing it will taste different". Who does that?

If a company can't spend a diminutive amount of attention to quality and detail on a small sample of something meant to PERSUADE the customer to BUY THE FULL END PRODUCT, I really don't have a lot of faith in the fact that the product itself is going to be some miraculous phoenix rising from the ashes of a completely half-baked attempt to sell it. That said, based on the merits of the demo the game looks less than par for what kind of quality people expect from BioWare.

I doubt that if someone didn't like the demo they are going to find the game in it's entirety redeeming anything. That's just my own opinion though.

[backstepper]

If you're a regular person like myself who personally enjoyed DA:O and the dlc's, then you're probably looking forward to DA2 and tried out the demo. Looking for others who enjoyed it, I came to the forums only to see many ppl whining and crying their eyes out over DA2 being "the worst possible thing done to the DA franchise." I'm tired of it, honestly. Not everything is perfect in the game, I'll admit that. I wish the top-down view was back and that attacks actually feel like they do something. But its still a great demo and i know many others feel the same so, for all those topics crying over your "soon to be spent money", shut your **** ♥♥♥♥♥ mouths.

TLDR
Criers and whiners, get over yourselves and enjoy the game when it comes out.
Why should anyone stop complaining about it. To be honest the more information i get the more i want to burn a copy of Dragon Age 2 in front of one of the developers.

If you name a title and put a two after the next game people will expect something similar. So why is it that people complain?

I could count many points and some would be unfair without more informations about the finished products but its enough how they cut some of the content that made Dragon Age so great for me and others.

So if you dislike what they made out of Dragon Age 2 tell it to Bioware or don't buy it. If you like it buy the game, dlc and tell them as well but under no circumstance anyone here can tell someone what he or she is supposed to think.

Also if you are tired that people say what they think just avoid the forum because you will see it again. Maybe even from me because im tired that people defend this game. I wanted to give it a chance but now i just hope that part 3 might go back to its origins.

If you enjoy it thats good for you but for other people its move in the wrong direction. It looks like they want to get a bigger customer base for this series and if you want a game to have appeal to more people you just water it down. Worked great for other series like C&C......

[bazerka250]

If you're a regular person like myself who personally enjoyed DA:O and the dlc's, then you're probably looking forward to DA2 and tried out the demo. Looking for others who enjoyed it, I came to the forums only to see many ppl whining and crying their eyes out over DA2 being "the worst possible thing done to the DA franchise." I'm tired of it, honestly. Not everything is perfect in the game, I'll admit that. I wish the top-down view was back and that attacks actually feel like they do something. But its still a great demo and i know many others feel the same so, for all those topics crying over your "soon to be spent money", shut your **** ♥♥♥♥♥ mouths.

TLDR
Criers and whiners, get over yourselves and enjoy the game when it comes out.

What exactly is the point of your thread that because you like the DA2 demo and because you do no one else can say anything negative at all about the game because you said so?

[fugazied]

None of the changes I have seen are bad. I reloaded DA:O on my machine after playing the demo, to refresh my memory. The DA:O graphics, class abilities sections both seemed dated and combat seemed slower and less interesting somehow.

Looking forward to the new game.

[ZhugeLiang]

No top down camera view = not worthy of being called Dragon Age 2. Simple.

And whining about people who didnt like the demo is far more worse than people who whine because they felt greatly let down by what they played.



Funny, you can actually angle the camera top down, sure it doesn't zoom you. but you should go eat your own Testies. Stop boycotting to feel "cool" because you are "old school". Yes dragon age origins was a spiritual successer to Baulders Gate/BG2. Wonderful, and its my Favorite RPG of all time (DA:O), does this mean that I did not love DA2's demo?! I most certaintly did love it! does this mean I shall not adore DA2 and perhaps EVEN HAVE IT SURPASS THE ORIGINAL!? (GASPS. TUMBLEWEEDS). Its possible and it doesn't matter what the majority thinks, it matters what the player thinks, and their experience.

it's people like you that don't even get the experience because the game does not have 1 feature, yet it still has your Pause, AND your tactics set up (exactly like DAO's tactics) one system EVERYONE ♥♥♥♥♥ed saying it was not going to be there "WTF NO TACTICS NO PAUSE" "OKAYZ THERES PAUSE BUT NO TACTICS?!" "WTF THERES PAUSE AND TACTICS BUT NO ZOOM ALL THE WAY OUT TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I'M PLAYING A GAME FROM 98 WHEN I'D RATHER BE ENJOYING THE NEW ENGINE USING DX11 ENJOYING STUNNING VISUALS UP CLOSE"

etc.

This ones gonna BLOW YOUR MIND man, ready?! ready for it?!

Starcraft 2 isn't a sequel to Starcraft because it's in full 3D rather than pre-rendered sprites and backgrounds!!! Starcraft 2 CANT be the sequel to Starcraft!!!!!!!!!!!1115555 -idiot comment from an idiot-

Read that, then read any of your comments regarding DA2 (if it doesn't have this then it isn't a sequel) yeah... well... Read the SC-SC2 thing, and then think for a minute, and kick yourself in the balls.

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<BLAAAARGHHH!>

I didn't read that mess of garbled ranting, but I thought you should know there appears to be something wrong with your CAPS LOCK key.

You're welcome. :D

[ScholarsInk]

Stop telling me how I should play my games ok?

The top down view was the only way I could ever play DAO. I enjoy tactical combat and planning in these kind of Bioware games. Without that I fond the whole thing boring.

As for the story, that is completely meaningless and pointless. All I have to do to see the story is watch a playthrough on youtube, simple. No need to bother with the shoddy and frustrated dumbed down for consoles combat.


The story is meaningless and pointless? Erm... right. That's not the main selling point for BioWare products. Not at all. :rolleyes:

And "these kind of Bioware games" - what is that kind? The last game with the top-down view before Dragon Age: Origins was Baldur's Gate II, which was about ten years ago.


I am. No inventory. My save game was completely erased and EA/Bioware could not help so I had to use a save game editor to at least get my stats back which I didn't exactly know but worst of all my character was reset to look like the default. It may seem to not be a huge issue but after staring at my character all ME1 and ME2 to that point it is so immersion breaking.
That was a Windows bug, by the way. Just FYI. It wasn't BioWare/EA's doing.

[rlilewis]

I thought the new DA is really fun and incorporated a lot of the changes I hoped to see in the sequel. I wasn't really looking forward to DA2 based on the original (which imo was boring) but having played the demo I have now placed my pre-order and I'm pretty hyped for next friday... Just wish I wasn't working!

I like the new (ME style) dialogue system and the combat feels much less clunky and more fluid. The only thing I am still annoyed about is the lack of depth to the tactics system. I don't know if they purposely made it simplistic or if they are just lazy or uninspired. The art style is a massive improvement and although I couldn't see any major graphical improvements (from a tech perspective) I was getting a solid 60fps all the way through and the load times were really quite fast and thats on a mid range PC, not high spec by a long shot.

Like I said, can't wait to play on friday :)

[chokke]

This ones gonna BLOW YOUR MIND man, ready?! ready for it?!

Starcraft 2 isn't a sequel to Starcraft because it's in full 3D rather than pre-rendered sprites and backgrounds!!! Starcraft 2 CANT be the sequel to Starcraft!!!!!!!!!!!1115555 -idiot comment from an idiot-

Read that, then read any of your comments regarding DA2 (if it doesn't have this then it isn't a sequel) yeah... well... Read the SC-SC2 thing, and then think for a minute, and kick yourself in the balls.

Command & Conquer: Renegade is the best C&C-game. A worthy sequal to it's predessors.
It's almost as a big change in genre as DA2 is to DA:O

[jortbbb]

You liked the demo. Some didn't. You come here to rant about how you liked it, and how you find it annoying some people are ranting, saying they don't like it.

So you decide to make your own thread. To WAH about WAH'ers.


k.

[marktcameron]

You liked the demo. Some didn't. You come here to rant about how you liked it, and how you find it annoying some people are ranting, saying they don't like it.

So you decide to make your own thread. To WAH about WAH'ers.


k.

becuse i like putting down ♥♥♥♥♥ like you ♥♥♥♥♥ ooohh ooohhh here i go ooohh oooohhh here go

[chetwode]

If people didn't "cry and whine" I would of skipped the demo and bought the game. Now after playing the demo I know the design changes they made. This allows me to save $60 on a game I don't care for anymore.

BTW, I'm sure many people will like the changes (just not me):(

[Billshere]

I honestly like the new combat system.

But I really hate the Mass Effect style conversation system and simplified RPG mechanics.

$60 is also too much to ask for.

[Kodai2003]

I like the design changes in the demo, looks like a fun game. But I will be waiting until it hits the bargain bin due to the other BS going on with this.

[Chyropraise]

WAH WAH I'm a 10 year old console kiddie who, deep down, doesn't understand the thousand subtle changes BioHazard have made going from Origins to DA2! My little ADHD-afflicted brain is troubled by moments of insecurity when I just can't comprehend why people say this game has been dumbed down for the masses. If I press a button and clap my hands and think "something awesome just happened", does that make me mentally challenged?

There, troll fed. Now in seriousness - if you like action games, great, you'll probably have fun with DA2. It's in no way terrible. However if you want a deep, cerebral, tactical, emotionally mature game, (ie a SEQUEL to Origins) then BioWare have just criticaled you with a backstab. For starters, no game that is HALF the length of Origins can be as deep (Swedish PC gamer time, not mine).

I will buy this game when it hits $20 - bundled with the 6-7 pieces of little 20 minute DLC that would othewise have cost me another $60. I have no doubt that for $20, this will be a good buy.

Let's be completely honest here. Dragon Age 1 was not in any way deep or cerebral. You got rose tinted glasses on. It was a great game. But it definitely wasn't deep. Or a thinking mans game. Every encounter could be easily beaten with more mages and more AOE. Lets see, unlimited potions, ridiculous spells that would trivialize encounters. The game was hard. But only if you refused to use the overpowered ♥♥♥♥ or didn't drink mad mana and health elixers.

And how can you comment on the emotionally mature aspect? You gleaned that it was High Fantasy Children's Edition just from a demo eh?

Edit: There are things I don't like about the game. I don't like the conversation system as it basically means you hold UP RIGHT TO BE GOOD GUY, DOWN LEFT TO BE BAD GUY DERP DERP. I hate that system. It almost feels like it makes conversations completely pointless.

[SpiritWolf]

Despite all the nay sayers, I am really looking forward to the game release (already downloading the game data). I was feeling much more negative over da2 before the demo release, I had payed too much attention to all the doom and gloom writings on the net about it, and how bad the conversation wheel is etc. I was pleasently surprised when the demo released and pre-ordered shortly afterwards. As for day one dlc, it's all optional at the end of the day, noone is forcing players to buy it.

[defrisselle]

Um, Dude... They dumbed down the game for people like you.

[DTKT]

Um, Dude... They dumbed down the game for people like you.

What do you mean by "people like you"?

[defrisselle]

Console players, hack n' slashers, Bioware Devs (cause they can't make an involved detailed game mechanic. They tried to come up with something like D&D, but only went half way, then decided they decide to simplify everything and concentrate on combat)