Garbage.

[Prince of Space]

Is this a demo or an april fools joke?

Suddenly rogues can magically teleport? Did the people who made the sequel even PLAY the original?

No thanks, I'm not interested in playing Dynasty Warriors: Origins. You could tell in the first few minutes of play that they have turned this franchise into a brainless twitch action game for meatheads. They lobotomized this game like a rebellious Kennedy daughter. Maybe it will make more money now.

EA has revived their tradition of ruining franchises with ♥♥♥♥ sequels. It's like Dungeon Keeper 2 or Black and White 2 all over again, the only difference being that DA:O didn't have as far to fall.

On the bright side, I saved 60ish dollars! Huzzah!

[DTKT]

Please use any other thread to provide feedback on the demo.

This thread is just gonne get buried fast. :)

[Sonris89]

I actually enjoyed Dungeon keeper 2 and black and white 2 (lack of multiplayer aside)

And of all the things to complain about, rogues are actually fun and useful now. DA:O the only thing you needed a rogue for was unlocking chests, most of which just had generic vender trash loot in them.

Yeah its not realistic, but its fun. Come to think of it shooting fire balls and cones of freezing air at dragons isn't realistic either.

But hey. your opinion.

[Prince of Space]

I actually enjoyed Dungeon keeper 2 and black and white 2 (lack of multiplayer aside)

And of all the things to complain about, rogues are actually fun and useful now. DA:O the only thing you needed a rogue for was unlocking chests, most of which just had generic vender trash loot in them.

Yeah its not realistic, but its fun. Come to think of it shooting fire balls and cones of freezing air at dragons isn't realistic either.

But hey. your opinion.

I have no problem with a piece of fiction violating the laws of reality, but i have a slight problem with fiction violating IT'S OWN laws, continuity and especially style, particularly when I was fond of that style to begin with.

Can you imagine if, at the end of Return of the King, Bilbo turned into a dragon and bit sauron's head off out of nowhere and was all "yeah ♥♥♥♥♥, i got magic powers now. What?"

That's what this is like, and its a cynical marketing attempt to make the game flashier and dumber.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't care much if the gameplay wasn't garbage, but as it is this game feels like a million other throwaway action games. I can play one of those without being butt♥♥♥♥ed by EA's drm policies.

Besides all that, you liked black and white 2. Yuck.

[Sonris89]

From what I've seen and know of Hawke, his father was an apostate mage and in the first trailer we see warrior Hawke summon demon arms to rip a Qunari apart.

I'm guessing Hawke isn't an average human, but I get you'r point. Just saying we don't know what rules apply to Hawke.

[Prince of Space]

From what I've seen and know of Hawke, his father was an apostate mage and in the first trailer we see warrior Hawke summon demon arms to rip a Qunari apart.

I'm guessing Hawke isn't an average human, but I get you'r point. Just saying we don't know what rules apply to Hawke.

I think that was mage Hawke.

[trojanrabbit.gg]

Please use any other thread to provide feedback on the demo.

This thread is just gonne get buried fast. :)

This.

Don't spam this forum with more of these topics. Use the ones that already exist to state your opinion.

Any of these would have been good threads...

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1770071
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1773742
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1774077
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1768814
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1770682

[Delinth]

EA has brought back their tradition of ruining franchises with ♥♥♥♥ sequels. It's like Dungeon Keeper 2 or Black and White 2 all over again.


While your dumping on Black and White 2 was spot on, I *KNOW* you just didn't say Dungeon Keeper 2 was bad. That's blasphemy and punishable by death.

[Prince of Space]

While your dumping on Black and White 2 was spot on, I *KNOW* you just didn't say Dungeon Keeper 2 was bad. That's blasphemy and punishable by death.
I had fun playing DK2 but to me it was a huge disappointment when you consider how great the original was.

It was a step sideways at best when what the series needed was a big step forward.

[Prince of Space]

This.

Don't spam this forum with more of these topics. Use the ones that already exist to state your opinion.

Any of these would have been good threads...

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1770071
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1773742
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1774077
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1768814
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1770682
Here come the self-appointed forum police.

Will you let me off with a warning if I promise not to do the exact same thing again?

Thanks Deputy McTardigans. The internet is a safer place with you toddling around meddling in trivialities, that's for sure.

[syrupwontstopem]

Is this a demo or an april fools joke?

Suddenly rogues can magically teleport? Did the people who made the sequel even PLAY the original?

No thanks, I'm not interested in playing Dynasty Warriors: Origins. You could tell in the first few minutes of play that they have turned this franchise into a brainless twitch action game for meatheads. They lobotomized this game like a rebellious Kennedy daughter. Maybe it will make more money now.

EA has revived their tradition of ruining franchises with ♥♥♥♥ sequels. It's like Dungeon Keeper 2 or Black and White 2 all over again, the only difference being that DA:O didn't have as far to fall.

On the bright side, I saved 60ish dollars! Huzzah!

Actually I'm quite excited to play this on Nightmare mode. From what the Bioware employees on the Bioware forums have said, it is going to be harder than DA:O's Nightmare mode. For example, there's gonna be friendly fire, of course. 2H warriors deal AOE damage, so having your party around them will get them friendly fired too. All in all sounds like it's going to be even more tactical than DA:O.

As for attack animations.. I can deal with a rogue disappearing. Reminds me of assassins shadow-stepping in Guild Wars. The whole rogue disappearing thing suggests to me that it's not completely inconceivable, but it's beyond the scope of my knowledge, similar to the whole thing with rogues being able to stealth in DA:O (they don't REALLY turn semi-invisible do they ;)?).

To be honest, I felt like I could have just been a rogue in Origins: Stand behind some dude, make stabbing motion with knife, repeat until dead. No training required ;)

[lyravega]

DA:O already has friendly fire. And it's really stupid that 2H sword deals FF. If you're calling that you have to move your 2hander 2m away tactical, please look up in the dictionary.

And I don't really believe Bioware anymore. I don't think it'll be harder than DA:O itself. Let me put in this way: DA:O nightmare was like playing a chess game where you had less pieces, but not impossible. I believe DA2 nightmare or whatever, will be like, you're again playing chess, but all you have is peons. Or, you have your pieces intact, but every other square is filled with enemy peons.

[HottspittaJr]

Didn't you get the memo? This isn't supposed to be a sequel. Even though it will import information from you old story if you had one.

Now if it was a complete sequel it probably would have the same design. The core of the game is still the same. 45 minutes doesn't show enough to describe that linear maps can still be used for nonlinear game-play.

Haha you lose.

[Mark_VI]

And of all the things to complain about, rogues are actually fun and useful now. DA:O the only thing you needed a rogue for was unlocking chests, most of which just had generic vender trash loot in them.

But hey. your opinion.

Fun is highly subjective so I won't touch that one, but rogues were useful in DA:O. Properly equipped dual wielding rogues could do massive damage.

[Mithridate]

Rogues where great in DA:O, absurdly huge damage dealers.

DA2 will prolly still be a decent to good game, but it could have been great to awesome.

remains to be seen, but all the signs are telling us that it will be a bit... disappointing

[XmXFLUXmX]

You could tell in the first few minutes of play that they have turned this franchise into a brainless twitch action game for meatheads. They lobotomized this game like a rebellious Kennedy daughter. Maybe it will make more money now.



On the bright side, I saved 60ish dollars! Huzzah!

Hey bro, your commentary is a ♥♥♥♥ing riot. I like your style. The thing with bilbo and him turning into a dragon had me rolling.

[Cosmictrippin]

My advice is the game is trash don't buy it. The only people who are buying this game are the console twitch finger types. Anyone who bought a past bioware game knows this game Isn't up to par. Even if you still want to buy it I would hold off till its about 30 dollars, this type of game isn't worth the 60 dollar price tag.

[syrupwontstopem]

DA:O already has friendly fire. And it's really stupid that 2H sword deals FF. If you're calling that you have to move your 2hander 2m away tactical, please look up in the dictionary.

And I don't really believe Bioware anymore. I don't think it'll be harder than DA:O itself. Let me put in this way: DA:O nightmare was like playing a chess game where you had less pieces, but not impossible. I believe DA2 nightmare or whatever, will be like, you're again playing chess, but all you have is peons. Or, you have your pieces intact, but every other square is filled with enemy peons.

DA:O nightmare was a snoozefest -_-. I'm looking for a real challenge haha.

Also, I don't see how 2H friendly fire is any worse than the majority of mage spells in DA:O that did friendly fire: any of the elemental spells, death clouds, walking bombs, etc etc. They're not useless spells.. you just can't faceroll over your quickbar to win.

Edit: Also for 2H friendly fire, apparently if you're standing on the opposite side of an enemy from a two-handed warrior, you're just out of range of the sword swings ;)

[Peeker]

Haha Nightmare hard in DA:O, yeah right. Best way to play a rogue in the original was to basically just let them auto attack. The rogue "teleport" is only a few feet away.

I really don't get why people believe dragon age was ever very tactical. The hardest boss in nightmare was the ogre at the top of the tower very early in the game.

Here is dao tactics in a nutshell: Set mage 1 cc, set mage 2 heal, set tank taunt and have rogue backstab with paralyze runes. Worked on pretty much the whole game. At least there will be boss fights that require you to think now. I don't know if da2 will be good but it's kind of crazy how people are against evolution of a series automatically. The game didn't feel all that different to me.

[Prince of Space]

Hey bro, your commentary is a ♥♥♥♥ing riot. I like your style. The thing with bilbo and him turning into a dragon had me rolling.

See, people who were complaining about me starting a new thread? This guy ♥♥♥♥ing gets it.

My thread is BETTER. That's why I started it. That's why it HAD TO BE started.
Haha Nightmare hard in DA:O, yeah right. Best way to play a rogue in the original was to basically just let them auto attack. The rogue "teleport" is only a few feet away.

I really don't get why people believe dragon age was ever very tactical. The hardest boss in nightmare was the ogre at the top of the tower very early in the game.

Here is dao tactics in a nutshell: Set mage 1 cc, set mage 2 heal, set tank taunt and have rogue backstab with paralyze runes. Worked on pretty much the whole game. At least there will be boss fights that require you to think now. I don't know if da2 will be good but it's kind of crazy how people are against evolution of a series automatically. The game didn't feel all that different to me.
Translation: "Haha you guys are noobs L2P why do I hurt inside LOL"

Didn't you get the memo? This isn't supposed to be a sequel. Even though it will import information from you old story if you had one.

Now if it was a complete sequel it probably would have the same design. The core of the game is still the same. 45 minutes doesn't show enough to describe that linear maps can still be used for nonlinear game-play.

Haha you lose.
What's the game called again? Dragon Age 2, i think it was? ♥♥♥♥ you and good night. Next.

[Peeker]

Dragon age 1. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites.

Dragon age 2. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites... in style! O yeah and I hope the armor looks good. Armor was really bad in DA, especially mages.

♥♥♥♥ they are right I ain't buying dynasty warriors dragon age lol

What remains to be seen is if class balance is as ♥♥♥♥ed up as in origins or as imbalanced as in awakening. I enjoyed 2 full play through of origins but the game is wickedly over hyped considering how broken much of the game was and still is. DA2 doesn't have to do all that great to match it. I ain't buying right away just because of the price. But I'd like to hear a better argument with some actually evidence, all the whiners fail so far.

[Sonris89]

Dragon age 1. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites.

Dragon age 2. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites... in style! O yeah and I hope the armor looks good. Armor was really bad in DA, especially mages.

♥♥♥♥ they are right I ain't buying dynasty warriors dragon age lol

What remains to be seen is if class balance is as ♥♥♥♥ed up as in origins or as imbalanced as in awakening. I enjoyed 2 full play through of origins but the game is wickedly over hyped considering how broken much of the game was and still is. DA2 doesn't have to do all that great to match it. I ain't buying right away just because of the price. But I'd like to hear a better argument with some actually evidence, all the whiners fail so far.

too true, the best thing about DA:O was the writing. If it didn't have bioware's writing it would have crashed and burned. Badly.

But Biowares writing made DA:O and Mass effect 1 not only playable, but fun and interesting. Mass effect 2 made huge improvements on the terrible inventory and combat, from what I saw of the demo, DA2's combat is at least improved and warriors are more exciting and rogues are both more exciting and much more useful. I might actually choose something non mage to roll in my party.

[Prince of Space]

Dragon age 1. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites.

Dragon age 2. Mouse click enemy. Hit hotkeys for abilites... in style! O yeah and I hope the armor looks good. Armor was really bad in DA, especially mages.

♥♥♥♥ they are right I ain't buying dynasty warriors dragon age lol

What remains to be seen is if class balance is as ♥♥♥♥ed up as in origins or as imbalanced as in awakening. I enjoyed 2 full play through of origins but the game is wickedly over hyped considering how broken much of the game was and still is. DA2 doesn't have to do all that great to match it. I ain't buying right away just because of the price. But I'd like to hear a better argument with some actually evidence, all the whiners fail so far.Your writing is a ♥♥♥♥ing eyesore, friend, and your depiction of the difference between the two games is intentionally reductive and patently dishonest. I see the drooling, illiterate Fox News future of America when I read the rambling nonsense that falls out of your godforsaken brain.

I agree with you on one point, though: DAO had more than its share of flaws. It was more of a promising start to a franchise than a ruined masterpiece. It's only the awfulness of the DA2 demo that makes it seem so great in retrospect.

[gregorruffles]

So they cleaned up the animations. A lot more fluid now. They cleaned up combat, no more wasted clicks. You attack an enemy, your character doesn't have to run a mile before they start fighting. Story wise, you can't really tell with a demo. So with the improvements we CAN see in the demo, the demo is...bad? Help me Mr. Spock. Show me the logic in that.

[SpectralShade]

Didn't you get the memo? This isn't supposed to be a sequel. Even though it will import information from you old story if you had one.

Now if it was a complete sequel it probably would have the same design. The core of the game is still the same. 45 minutes doesn't show enough to describe that linear maps can still be used for nonlinear game-play.

Haha you lose.

Good thing it wasn't named like a sequel then, but was named to distinctify it from the first game because of the changes... oh wait...:rolleyes:

[Rockworm]

Here come the self-appointed forum police.

Will you let me off with a warning if I promise not to do the exact same thing again?

Thanks Deputy McTardigans. The internet is a safer place with you toddling around meddling in trivialities, that's for sure.

Yeah cause trolling is making this place so much better :rolleyes:

[Super Fun]

Lets face it, bioware cant make rpg's anymore. We'll have to look elsewhere.

[Prince of Space]

So they cleaned up the animations. A lot more fluid now. They cleaned up combat, no more wasted clicks. You attack an enemy, your character doesn't have to run a mile before they start fighting. Story wise, you can't really tell with a demo. So with the improvements we CAN see in the demo, the demo is...bad? Help me Mr. Spock. Show me the logic in that.

Are you familiar with the concept of "begging the question?"

[Sonris89]

Lets face it, bioware cant make rpg's anymore. We'll have to look elsewhere.

considering they made Knights of the old republic then went on to make dragon age and Mass effect, i'd say they have occasional slumps followed by breaks of genius. Slumps being anything related to that cult classic franchise made of science fiction vomit known as star wars.

[RoundHouse]

I am cautiously optimistic, but I anticipate reviews will be very unkind to DA2.

Oh well. We still have Mass Effect. :)


considering they made Knights of the old republic then went on to make dragon age and Mass effect, i'd say they have occasional slumps followed by breaks of genius. Slumps being anything related to that cult classic franchise made of science fiction vomit known as star wars.

This this this.

Star Wars needs to ****ing go.

And I'd also like to give my respects to Prince of Space's comment above... hilarious :D.

[gregorruffles]

Are you familiar with the concept of "begging the question?"

Of course. It still remains that everything we've seen in the demo that relates directly to DA:O has been improved yet people are raging how the DEMO (and hence the full game) is garbage because of the actual improvements. If people complain about improvements, why should a company be expected to give us anything new?

A common complaint I see is that the game is now a button masher. Well, yes and no. The PC version remains just about the same as the original except that instead of using the clunkier animations from DAO, they cleaned it up and now combat looks cooler but remains effectivly the same as DAO. Console wise, it pretty much is a button-masher, well, as close as you can get to one and have it remain a Bioware rpg. I fully agree with the reasoning behind this as DAO SUCKED HARD on console. Almost a unanimous opinion there. With these changes, it's actually enjoyable on console, albeit not as much as PC. Wait for Nightmare difficulty, that'll end your "button mashing."

[Sweetman]

Of course. It still remains that everything we've seen in the demo that relates directly to DA:O has been improved yet people are raging how the DEMO (and hence the full game) is garbage because of the actual improvements. If people complain about improvements, why should a company be expected to give us anything new?

"Improvements" are subjective. I do see some steps forward, I also see a lot of steps back. And it's those that bother me, not the "improvements."

It's not like I've got some kind of evil demonic dislike for change brought in by every single videogame sequel ever. EVER. There's quite a few franchises off the top of my head that managed to nail the concept of a proper sequel, with every subsequent game keeping the spirit of the former while introducing vast improvements to the existing formula without butchering it. Metal Gear Solid (MGS2 kinda pushes it.) and Grand Theft Auto come to mind.

That's just how DA2 feels to me. A butchered hollywood sequel. DA:O was Highlander 1. DA2 is Highlander 2.

...Okay, maybe that comparison was a bit unfair. But you get what I'm trying to say.

[Prince of Space]

Of course. It still remains that everything we've seen in the demo that relates directly to DA:O has been improved yet people are raging how the DEMO (and hence the full game) is garbage because of the actual improvements. If people complain about improvements, why should a company be expected to give us anything new?

A common complaint I see is that the game is now a button masher. Well, yes and no. The PC version remains just about the same as the original except that instead of using the clunkier animations from DAO, they cleaned it up and now combat looks cooler but remains effectivly the same as DAO. Console wise, it pretty much is a button-masher, well, as close as you can get to one and have it remain a Bioware rpg. I fully agree with the reasoning behind this as DAO SUCKED HARD on console. Almost a unanimous opinion there. With these changes, it's actually enjoyable on console, albeit not as much as PC. Wait for Nightmare difficulty, that'll end your "button mashing."

You're obviously not at all familiar with the concept of begging the question, because you continue to refer to the changes as "improvements" when whether or not they are improvements is the very argument we are having.

And yes, that's subjective. You may see them as improvements, and that's fine. But calling them that in the premise of an argument is BEGGING THE QUESTION.

Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise. The first known definition in the West is by the Greek philosopher Aristotle around 350 BC, in his book Prior Analytics, where he classified it as a material fallacy. Begging the question is related to the circular argument, circulus in probando (Latin, "circle in proving") or circular reasoning, though these are considered absolutely different by Aristotle.[1]

[woodbyte]

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Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise. The first known definition in the West is by the Greek philosopher Aristotle around 350 BC, in his book Prior Analytics, where he classified it as a material fallacy. Begging the question is related to the circular argument, circulus in probando (Latin, "circle in proving") or circular reasoning, though these are considered absolutely different by Aristotle.[1]


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boring

Anyway my first impressions of the demo were very negative too. Ridiculous combat moves and terrible voice-acting took turns in annoying me. It felt nothing like what I remembered DA:O to be, and that really bothered me.

Fast forward one week and I just finished going through DA:Awakening (hadn't played it yet...), and replayed the DA2 demo with all 3 classes.

With the exception of the warrior class, combat feels much more fluid and dynamic in DA2 than on the original. Yes, it's extremely easy, but you only get to battle LVL 6s at normal difficulty, so no conclusions can be drawn from that. The warrior animation speed is, of course, ridiculous.

As for the narrative/voice-acting, it only seemed worse with each replay of the demo. But Bioware isn't known for bad writing, so I'm going to wait for the full game before deciding on hating it. As someone already mentioned it, games like this or Origins are really quite worthless without a solid narrative and interesting characters.

I do know one thing for sure: I absolutely hate the voices of both male and female Hawke, so I can already anticipate an uneasy playthrough ahead. Bah, they shouldn't have voiced the player character, period.

Also, is it just me or are the voice audio tracks too heavily compressed? I think I heard some distortions on the higher pitched performances. Hope it's just the demo, DA:O was superb on this regard.

Just my personal opinions, of course. :p

[Prince of Space]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boring


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wilful_ignorance

[DTKT]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wilful_ignorance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kittens
:D

[Prince of Space]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kittens
:D

http://www.♥♥♥♥thisthreadletspostkittens.com/

http://www.catsdo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/scottishfoldkitten_game.jpg

[Red_warning]

So disappearing and reappearing behind the enemy is too unrealistic for you? What about magic, elves, dwarves, daemons etc?

People like you always make me laugh. It's a ♥♥♥♥ing demo with very limited RPG elements and huge chunks of game content hidden away.

[Prince of Space]

So disappearing and reappearing behind the enemy is too unrealistic for you? What about magic, elves, dwarves, daemons etc?

People like you always make me laugh. It's a ♥♥♥♥ing demo with very limited RPG elements and huge chunks of game content hidden away.

You know what makes me laugh? People who think they're really being clever when the point they are making has already been thoroughly addressed and dismantled.

Here, let me copy and paste this for you, since you didn't bother reading even the first page of the thread:

I have no problem with a piece of fiction violating the laws of reality, but i have a slight problem with fiction violating ITS OWN laws, continuity and especially style, particularly when I was fond of that style to begin with.

Can you imagine if, at the end of Return of the King, Bilbo turned into a dragon and bit sauron's head off out of nowhere and was all "yeah ♥♥♥♥♥, i got magic powers now. What?"

That's what this is like, and it's a cynical marketing attempt to make the game flashier and dumber.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't care much if the gameplay wasn't garbage, but as it is this game feels like a million other throwaway action games. I can play one of those without being butt♥♥♥♥ed by EA's drm policies.

[archurban]

so I tried it out. well, it was just so so. not really impressive revolutionary way. do I expect too much? yes. I do. I don't understand why they locked few features in demo so we can't even try. well, it's too early to tell you. but at least demo is kind of junk. I will play serious time next Tuesday, then I will give you guys my thought.

[Red_warning]

You know what makes me laugh? People who think they're really being clever when the point they are making has already been thoroughly addressed and dismantled.

Here, let me copy and paste this for you, since you didn't bother reading even the first page of the thread:

I have no problem with a piece of fiction violating the laws of reality, but i have a slight problem with fiction violating ITS OWN laws, continuity and especially style, particularly when I was fond of that style to begin with.

Can you imagine if, at the end of Return of the King, Bilbo turned into a dragon and bit sauron's head off out of nowhere and was all "yeah ♥♥♥♥♥, i got magic powers now. What?"

That's what this is like, and it's a cynical marketing attempt to make the game flashier and dumber.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't care much if the gameplay wasn't garbage, but as it is this game feels like a million other throwaway action games. I can play one of those without being butt♥♥♥♥ed by EA's drm policies.

You are without imagination then, there are plenty of things in the dragon age universe that could explain this. For example, in Dragon Age awakening there is an ability called spirit warrior that let the warrior (rogue, warrior, matters little in this case) bargain with spirits of the fade to gain special mage-like abilities. Disappearing for barely a second seems like a small feat compared to the abilities of the Spirit warrior.

[HorrorScope]

Didn't you get the memo? This isn't supposed to be a sequel. Even though it will import information from you old story if you had one.

Yeah pretty confusing... It has a 2 at the end of it, it's a sequel to something. Maybe Barbie's Playhouse? And it magically imports DA:O's characters, a game by the same name and was the one before 2. So I can forgive those that might get the crazy idea this is a sequel/next in line game to the series.

How I see it, they are simply trying to find this franchise, they obviously weren't overly happy with the first and I can't blame them there. It had many flaws. The issue is for many it went the wrong way, more action, less depth. IMO I didn't care, they needed to go one way or the other, just makes words like Baldur's Gate look silly now, that's all.

[Prince of Space]

You are without imagination then, there are plenty of things in the dragon age universe that could explain this. For example, in Dragon Age awakening there is an ability called spirit warrior that let the warrior (rogue, warrior, matters little in this case) bargain with spirits of the fade to gain special mage-like abilities. Disappearing for barely a second seems like a small feat compared to the abilities of the Spirit warrior.
Did you mouse over the ability? It's just called "backstab." Not "fade step - the shadow walker briefly passes through the fade and re-emerges on the other side to launch a surprise attack! Cost: X Mana"

Just "backstab." As in the same thing you did when you cleverly and carefully maneuvered yourself behind your opponent while having an ally distract them in DAO. All reduced to

one button

one fraction of a second

and one goofy animation.

It's stylized anime rock video meathead bull♥♥♥♥. Hammer Legion Member rationalization doesn't help anything.

edit: hammer legion! That's hilarious filtering.

[Ayanu]

Did you mouse over the ability? It's just called "backstab." Not "fade step - the shadow walker briefly passes through the fade and re-emerges on the other side to launch a surprise attack! Cost: X Mana"

Just "backstab." As in the same thing you did when you cleverly and carefully maneuvered yourself behind your opponent while having an ally distract them in DAO. All reduced to

one button

one fraction of a second

and one goofy animation.

It's stylized anime rock video meathead bull♥♥♥♥. Hammer Legion Member rationalization doesn't help anything.

edit: hammer legion! That's hilarious filtering.

Rogues going invisible is a common theme in most fantasy games. Calling walking behind someone "cleverly and carefully maneuvered" is a bit of a joke though. You don't have to be even the least bit intelligent or strategic to understand that if a character does bonus damage from behind that they should probably be behind. It was a boring mechanic that reduced your character to just stacking auras and autoattacking. And to accomplish it, it was a huge hassle having to move them behind every single enemy they ever hit, nothing to do with strategy or any of that, it was just a waste of time and something else you were forced to do.

[Prince of Space]

Rogues going invisible is a common theme in most fantasy games. Calling walking behind someone "cleverly and carefully maneuvered" is a bit of a joke though. You don't have to be even the least bit intelligent or strategic to understand that if a character does bonus damage from behind that they should probably be behind. It was a boring mechanic that reduced your character to just stacking auras and autoattacking. And to accomplish it, it was a huge hassle having to move them behind every single enemy they ever hit, nothing to do with strategy or any of that, it was just a waste of time and something else you were forced to do.

Yeah, hitting one is so much more fun

[Ayanu]

Yeah, hitting one is so much more fun

But walking behind a boss, right clicking, and then never selecting that party member again until the boss is dead is considered fun game play?

They had so many good sustained abilities that ♥♥♥♥♥ their stamina that they had to use weapon attacks very rarely or they would lose their buffs. Warriors were a little better at least but still a lot of autoattacking. The only real fun and exciting gameplay for me was mages. You had more spells than could fit on your first action bar, you had to know how they interact with each other, where to aim them, how to position them to not hit allies, etc. The only physical character I had fun playing was a max str sword/shield warrior with no shield sustains that spammed the shield attacks.

[Rusty Silver]

Please use any other thread to provide feedback on the demo.

This thread is just gonne get buried fast. :)

It's kind of funny but this thread is still going.....

I will admit my first impression of the demo was bad indeed but I will say after several play through's with the un-lock difficulty and inventory mods it is growing on me like a fungus (athlete's foot fungus). I guess my big complaint is I would prefer the combat was at least in between the original and the the demo... other wise I find the art work appallingly simple and lacking depth.

[detroit022]

Well, in my opinion, the original dragon age combat is too slow and boring but this is too fast and mortal kombat like, so right now....i don't like either.

[DTKT]

It's kind of funny but this thread is still going.....

I will admit my first impression of the demo was bad indeed but I will say after several play through's with the un-lock difficulty and inventory mods it is growing on me like a fungus (athlete's foot fungus). I guess my big complaint is I would prefer the combat was at least in between the original and the the demo... other wise I find the art work appallingly simple and lacking depth.

Meh, we just keep repeating what has been said in the last two threads! But hey, interwebz dynamics of forum posting. What can you do.

[Prince of Space]

But walking behind a boss, right clicking, and then never selecting that party member again until the boss is dead is considered fun game play?


I liked it. You had 3 other dudes after all. I liked to be able to choose which ones to micromanage.

DA:O's flaws are rather irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

[anachreon_]

Lets face it, bioware cant make rpg's anymore. We'll have to look elsewhere.

Word, brother. They gave up the ghost long ago. I'm amazed people even enjoy the corridor shooter on rails sprinkled with clicky-click on planet minigames that is ME2, but I guess to each his own.

[Sonris89]

Word, brother. They gave up the ghost long ago. I'm amazed people even enjoy the corridor shooter on rails sprinkled with clicky-click on planet minigames that is ME2, but I guess to each his own.

Lol well yeah, when you point out the flaws in a game and leave out what was good about it you can make any game look bad.

Everyone made fun of the overabundence of chest high walls and the planet probing mini game in ME2 (I'd say those and the final boss are the only complaints about the game)

You could easily EASILY come up with a list ten times as long for DA:O.

[Ayanu]

I liked it. You had 3 other dudes after all. I liked to be able to choose which ones to micromanage.

DA:O's flaws are rather irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

A lot of players want to play the rogue as their main though, and they want to spend the most time micromanaging that one because they have an emotional attachment to their character and the style they represent within the genre. It is unfair to them to not give their class the same level of complexity and strategy of other classes, so yes it was a flawed system. If they have more buttons to press now, thats a good thing.

[Prince of Space]

A lot of players want to play the rogue as their main though, and they want to spend the most time micromanaging that one because they have an emotional attachment to their character and the style they represent within the genre. It is unfair to them to not give their class the same level of complexity and strategy of other classes, so yes it was a flawed system. If they have more buttons to press now, thats a good thing.

I played a rogue. I liked it. I seem to remember there being plenty of buttons to push. Stuns and activated modes and debuffs and whatnot.

Besides, the flaws in DA:O are irrelevant. This thread is about DA2's ♥♥♥♥tiness.

[gustero]

Prince of Space is right (hilariously so at that).

Dragon Age 2 is ridiculous, and I won't be buying it until it's available for much less money (as I did with Mass Effect 2). It's a shame, really, because even with its (IMO limited) flaws Origins was a great game with a believable world /rule-set that DA2 seems to go against in several subtle (and sometimes not so much) ways.

[JoxerNL]

This thread is about DA2's ♥♥♥♥tiness.

Your opinion, dont state it as an absolute "fact".
Subtle diffrence between fact or opinion.

Would be the same as me saying your opinion based post is moronic - fact.
See doesn't work that well :)

[Prince of Space]

Your opinion, dont state it as an absolute "fact".
Subtle diffrence between fact or opinion.

Would be the same as me saying your opinion based post is moronic - fact.
See doesn't work that well :)

I didn't say it was a fact, so I don't know what those quotes are for. It's my opinion that DA2 is ♥♥♥♥ty. Was that not clear?

[JoxerNL]

not very :p
Formulation made it seem like it was a fact lol

[Prince of Space]

not very :p
Formulation made it seem like it was a fact lol
What?

[Prince of Space]

http://www.neogaf.com/~tyler/da2otnav02.jpg

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[gustero]

http://www.neogaf.com/~tyler/da2otnav02.jpg

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http://www.neogaf.com/~tyler/da2otnav03.jpg

Lol :D

[Aemony]

http://www.neogaf.com/~tyler/da2otnav02.jpg

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http://www.neogaf.com/~tyler/da2otnav03.jpg

Meh, post them ALL!

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[Selfdestructive]

My advice is the game is trash don't buy it. The only people who are buying this game are the console twitch finger types. Anyone who bought a past bioware game knows this game Isn't up to par. Even if you still want to buy it I would hold off till its about 30 dollars, this type of game isn't worth the 60 dollar price tag.

wanna know whats REALLY REALLY REALLY messed up about all this? Bioware had the audacity to say that DA series will be the "spiritual" succesor to Baldurs Gate of all things.

DA:O was passable to OK as an RPG but certainly nowhere near BG, dont even get me started on this cluster♥♥♥♥ sequel, oh how low you have fallen Bioware trying to sell me Mass-Dragon-effect-Age.

I have been dying to see Bioware make BGIII or a new IWD atleast, now i hope they never touch any D&D game ever again lest they make a mockery of it.

[sharkh2o]

Buy a different game.

[JKflipflop]

HAHA you tards are classic! "Bioware can't make an RPG"! AHAHAHAHAHA

[Prince of Space]

HAHA you tards are classic! "Bioware can't make an RPG"! AHAHAHAHAHA
Did you play the demo?

[Polykleitos]

While your dumping on Black and White 2 was spot on, I *KNOW* you just didn't say Dungeon Keeper 2 was bad. That's blasphemy and punishable by death.

No kidding. She must have meant to say Dungeon Siege 2, not Dungeon Keeper 2...

[jfunk825]

Prince, thank you. This thread is full of awesome.

Anyway, this is a sad day for me. I like different styles of games. I thoroughly enjoyed the "interactive action movie" that was ME2. I really did. Money well spent ($25).

But my favorite genre is the classic CRPG. I cut my teeth on Wizardry, AD&D Gold Box games, etc. I just wish the entire genre wasn't almost completely dead. Is there not room in the gaming world for both classic CRPGs and Action/RPGs?

I may have to break down and learn German, it might be the only way to play another classic CRPG again.

[Neverpleased]

I have no problem with a piece of fiction violating the laws of reality.

Than I hope you never watch Star Trek.

All joking aside, you have some points. I will review the game when it comes in seeing as Bioware has yet to fully disappoint me, even with DA:O is was entertained, though I wasn't running through the streets screaming that the Mesiah had come like other people, also I wasn't really that entertained by it. More like a weird flick you watch when you have time to waste.

[Prince of Space]

No kidding. She must have meant to say Dungeon Siege 2, not Dungeon Keeper 2...
I'm genuinely surprised at how many people really enjoyed DK2, considering it was one of those many sequels EA forced out without the input of the original creator (peter molyneux)

I guess it wasn't THAT bad, and the appalling lack of other games in the dungeon sim genre (anyone have an opinion on Dungeon?) helps it quite a bit.

Bioware has yet to fully disappoint me

And that's why they EA hasn't stopped using the bioware name yet. They haven't finished dragging it through the dirt they way they did with all those other companies they bought. They can still sell a lot of copies to people who think bioware is still bioware.

This is EA's business model. Buy a successful developer, run it on the cheap until all the talent is gone and their good name is destroyed and they've officially squeezed all the blood out of the stone. Absorb and disband studio, since its name is now worthless. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't know if you just haven't seen this yet, but I wager a lot of people who don't remember bullfrog will be saying "remember how EA ♥♥♥♥ed over bioware?" in the future just the way I am talking about Bullfrog and Westwood.

[Sonris89]

I'm genuinely surprised at how many people really enjoyed DK2, considering it was one of those many sequels EA forced out without the input of the original creator (peter molyneux)

I guess it wasn't THAT bad, and the appalling lack of other games in the dungeon sim genre (anyone have an opinion on Dungeon?) helps it quite a bit.



Considering Molyneux is pretty much known for creating mediocure and bland RPGs like fable and novelty games like Blakc & White I'm not sure his absence in DK2 was a bad thing...

And Dungeons has a demo, but I found it terrible. Its not a dungeon sim, more like a tower defense with an RPG lord. The monsters in the game our bound to pentagrams on the floor and they never move from them, they just stand there and wail on heroes when they come in range. No feeding monsters, no lairs, no daily routines, personalities. Just turrets that look like various monsters.

[Prince of Space]

Considering Molyneux is pretty much known for creating mediocure and bland RPGs like fable and novelty games like Blakc & White I'm not sure his absence in DK2 was a bad thing...

And Dungeons has a demo, but I found it terrible. Its not a dungeon sim, more like a tower defense with an RPG lord. The monsters in the game our bound to pentagrams on the floor and they never move from them, they just stand there and wail on heroes when they come in range. No feeding monsters, no lairs, no daily routines, personalities. Just turrets that look like various monsters.


Jesus Christ.

Peter Molyneux created POPULOUS.

POPULOUS.

No matter how bad you think Fable is, I think his contributions to the god-game genre (which is what kind of game DK and B&W were) are more than welcome, considering he ♥♥♥♥ING INVENTED THE GENRE.

You are just a never ending stream of babbling nonsense, honestly. Everything you say is more wrong than the last. You need to quit trying to contradict everything I say reflexively and actually try thinking a statement through for once.

[Sonris89]

Jesus Christ.

Peter Molyneux created POPULOUS.

POPULOUS.

No matter how bad you think Fable is, I think his contributions to a part of the god-game genre (which is what kind of game DK 1&2 were) are more than welcome, considering he ♥♥♥♥ING INVENTED THE GENRE.

You are just a never ending stream of babbling nonsense, honestly. Everything you say is more wrong than the last. You need to quit trying to contradict everything I say reflexively and actually try thinking a statement through for once.


Yeah populous was good. But thats ancient, Black and white was mediocure, black and white 2 didn't really help the series any, and fable just plain blows. He seems to hit and miss quite a bit..

[Prince of Space]

Yeah populous was good. But thats ancient, Black and white was mediocure, black and white 2 didn't really help the series any, and fable just plain blows. He seems to hit and miss quite a bit..

If his best work is ancient that's part of the problem with molyneux. He makes ♥♥♥♥ games NOW. He was in his prime in 1997 when DK1 came out, which is why so many people view that game as a damn masterpiece.

Why am I treating you like a sane person, anyway? You said DK1 wasn't grim. It was incredibly grim, for a game that was also hilarious. Remember when you'd beat a level and the narrator would say stuff like "The streets run with the blood of the slain. Screams of pain and howls of anguish rip the night air like a vengeful siren's song. This really is somewhere you can take the kids for the weekend."

Look at the opening cinematic FFS. There's the silhouette of a troll hanging by his neck set against the moonlight in the first 10 seconds or so

G R I M. GRIM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N5ODEGR1KQ

I think if I said "the sky is blue" you'd say "I dunno man it looks kinda reddish to me..."

[Sonris89]

If his best work is ancient that's part of the problem with molyneux. He makes ♥♥♥♥ games NOW. He was in his prime in 1997 when DK1 came out, which is why so many people view that game as a damn masterpiece.

Why am I treating you like a sane person, anyway? You said DK1 wasn't grim. It was incredibly grim, for a game that was also hilarious. Remember when you'd beat a level and the narrator would say stuff like "The streets run with the blood of the slain. Screams of pain and howls of anguish rip the night air like a vengeful siren's song. This really is somewhere you can take the kids for the weekend."

Look at the opening cinematic FFS. There's the silhouette of a troll hanging by his neck set against the moonlight in the first 10 seconds or so

G R I M. GRIM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N5ODEGR1KQ

I think if I said "the sky is blue" you'd say "I dunno man it looks kinda reddish to me..."

No I just considered the humor in DK1 to be akin to, well closet thing I can think of is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

but its comedic, dark humor, but comedic. When I think of grim I think of Dawn of war 40k or something. The humorous undertone we persistent in the DK series to me. Never seems that grim to me. I found the comments after each mission funny.

[Prince of Space]

No I just considered the humor in DK1 to be akin to, well closet thing I can think of is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

but its comedic, dark humor, but comedic. When I think of grim I think of Dawn of war 40k or something. The humorous undertone we persistent in the DK series to me. Never seems that grim to me. I found the comments after each mission funny.

Yes! Totally! DK1 was hilarious! That's what I love about it more than anything.

It was also grim. That's what DARK HUMOR is: grim and funny at the same time. Gallows humor.

This is not difficult to understand.

[zeroskill]

Is this a demo or an april fools joke?

Suddenly rogues can magically teleport? Did the people who made the sequel even PLAY the original?

No thanks, I'm not interested in playing Dynasty Warriors: Origins. You could tell in the first few minutes of play that they have turned this franchise into a brainless twitch action game for meatheads. They lobotomized this game like a rebellious Kennedy daughter. Maybe it will make more money now.

EA has revived their tradition of ruining franchises with ♥♥♥♥ sequels. It's like Dungeon Keeper 2 or Black and White 2 all over again, the only difference being that DA:O didn't have as far to fall.

On the bright side, I saved 60ish dollars! Huzzah!

Accually I thought Dragon Age Origion was rather brainless twitch action compared to Baldurs Gate. But whatever, opinions are like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s, everbodies got one.

On the bright side, as a Baldurs Gate vet, im accually looking forward to Dragon Age 2, looks like they bring in some original and fresh ideas instead to blandly try to copy the gaming feeling that had Baldurs Gate.

In any case, you dont seem to have much of an idea who "makes" games. EA is a game distributor not a game designer. And Dragon Age 2 is developed by Bioware. Like Dragon Age Origins, and like Baldurs Gate.

[jfunk825]

In any case, you dont seem to have much of an idea who "makes" games. EA is a game distributor not a game designer. And Dragon Age 2 is developed by Bioware. Like Dragon Age Origins, and like Baldurs Gate.


lol...welcome to the conversation that's been going on in this forum for a while. You seem to have missed most of it. Believe me (or his myriad posts if you prefer), Prince of Space is intimately aware of the difference between Bioware and EA.

[ruzan]

I've been lurking on this post for a few days now. And while I can agree with arguments from both sides, I have honestly just stopped by here to ask Prince of Space to start his own blog.

Your writing style and humor have had me literally laughing my ♥♥♥ off during this entire thread and I, for one, would love to read more.

Anyhoo, sorry to interrupt. :D

[Prince of Space]

lol...welcome to the conversation that's been going on in this forum for a while. You seem to have missed most of it. Believe me (or his myriad posts if you prefer), Prince of Space is intimately aware of the difference between Bioware and EA.
To be fair to him, if we were talking about most dev/publisher relationships, he'd be spot on.

He's also right about the BG series being better than DA.

I've been lurking on this post for a few days now. And while I can agree with arguments from both sides, I have honestly just stopped by here to ask Prince of Space to start his own blog.

Your writing style and humor have had me literally laughing my ♥♥♥ off during this entire thread and I, for one, would love to read more.

Anyhoo, sorry to interrupt. :D

I have one for just me and my friends, actually. I just hesitate to expose it to a board like this.

[fugazied]

Yeah cause the dragon age world is normally without unusual things like witches turning into dragons, magic, and enchanted weapons. /sarcasm

[Prince of Space]

Yeah cause the dragon age world is normally without unusual things like witches turning into dragons, magic, and enchanted weapons. /sarcasm

What kind of person thinks of something like this 6 pages into a thread and honestly believes he's the first person to say it?

We've been there, friend. You are tardy to the party.

[NoiseTank13]

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8838/da2vsoldschool.jpg

Speaking of dumbed down? That is what they want.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3139/beaware.jpg

Quality.

EDIT: Then again, I wasn't sure what I was expecting when I hear the lead writers saying they were inspired by Twi-♥♥♥♥ing-light of all things.

[Prince of Space]

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8838/da2vsoldschool.jpg

Speaking of dumbed down? That is what they want.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3139/beaware.jpg

Quality.

EDIT: Then again, I wasn't sure what I was expecting when I hear the lead writers saying they were inspired by Twi-♥♥♥♥ing-light of all things.
Link 1 explains a LOT.

[jfunk825]

Link 1 explains a LOT.

Haven't you been paying attention?

It's called "progress".

Sigh.

[ezra0r]

Not long ago, stupid me, I learned the hard way that it is much better to wait for other people's reviews about new games before buying, no matter the hype.

I just wanted to apreciate the sheer amount of threads telling this is worse than DAO, rushed and that lasts hardly 17 hours on average.

I will not buy this one.

I also read reviews of people who like it, I apreciate those too, but when a game is good, pretty good, negative reviews are much harder to see.

Hope BIOWARE does not fall in the franchise crap market.

[HottspittaJr]

Lol, there were previews before release describing that it was not a sequel.

I enjoyed the new spin. :)

[nopistons420]

I have no problem with a piece of fiction violating the laws of reality, but i have a slight problem with fiction violating IT'S OWN laws, continuity and especially style, particularly when I was fond of that style to begin with.

Can you imagine if, at the end of Return of the King, Bilbo turned into a dragon and bit sauron's head off out of nowhere and was all "yeah ♥♥♥♥♥, i got magic powers now. What?"

That's what this is like, and its a cynical marketing attempt to make the game flashier and dumber.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't care much if the gameplay wasn't garbage, but as it is this game feels like a million other throwaway action games. I can play one of those without being butt♥♥♥♥ed by EA's drm policies.

Besides all that, you liked black and white 2. Yuck.



MEGA airconditioned youth NERD DETECTED

[TheAlphaMale]

MEGA airconditioned youth NERD DETECTED

A nerd calling someone else a nerd is pretty funny.

[xXJayeDuBXx]

A nerd calling someone else a nerd is pretty funny.

What exactly is the qualifications of one being a nerd? How do we not know that you are in fact a nerd yourself? Maybe you are just trying to dissuade the fact that you too may be a nerd by calling someone else a nerd, hmmmm?

[XmXFLUXmX]

Anyone with 420 in their name has to be pretty cool.

[xXJayeDuBXx]

Anyone with 420 in their name has to be pretty cool.

Lol, fair enough!

[Prince of Space]

I look back at this thread and see the encouragement and praise I get for being more and more amusingly jerkish and think "I wonder if this is part of my problem."