VAC...

[ardaa]

u suck valve! All VAC games are full of cheaters! all of them. i will not buy a game with if its using VAC cheat helper. and i cant imagine how the hell idiot devs are trusting this rubish ♥♥♥♥ to protect their games while there is tons of proof its not even close protecting... VAC please stop selling this broken thing as anti cheat, because its obviously not.
I know this kind of threads made thousand times but they still doing nothing. MW2, Bops, Homefront and all others. It's ruining our game, time, fun and morale. stop giving us useless voice updates... give us protection!!!!!!

[Slayer00]

VAC doesn't block cheats.
It bans cheaters, on delay.
So you might see few cheaters online.

Read up about VAC on the support section or in VAC section (thread got moved to here so read this section of the forums).

[ChrisW]

VAC is not the problem. The problem is these games keep going on sale for $5. Cheaters just purchase lots of copies and attach them to new Steam accounts. When they get VAC banned, they just log into another account. Since the game is so cheap, they just don't care if they get banned.

[Silicon Vampire]

Moved to the appropriate forum...

If your aim isn't any better in-game, I can understand why you think everyone is cheating.

[ardaa]

'' So you might see few cheaters online'' few? realy? are you realy playing games? seriously! vac= valve ANTI CHEAT! i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about the rest....

also why pc gaming not selling.. We all always seeing this news like devs not happy with pc, Why? because clever gamer buying game for consoles cheater free, works good, updates first and games made for them. and ofc pc games broken, unfinished, full of cheater, no more valve games seriously

[ardaa]

VAC is not the problem. The problem is these games keep going on sale for $5. Cheaters just purchase lots of copies and attach them to new Steam accounts. When they get VAC banned, they just log into another account. Since the game is so cheap, they just don't care if they get banned.

I realy dont think so mw2, bops, homefront for example they are not 5$ game but full of cheater...

[Slayer00]

'' So you might see few cheaters online'' few? realy? are you realy playing games? seriously! vac= valve ANTI CHEAT! i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about the rest....

also why pc gaming not selling.. We all always seeing this news like devs not happy with pc, Why? because clever gamer buying game for consoles cheater free, works good, updates first and games made for them. and ofc pc games broken, unfinished, full of cheater, no more valve games seriously
I do play VAC secured games, a lot, see my playtimes: www.steamcommunity.com/id/Slayer00

Its IMPOSSIBLE to create FULLY cheat-free game for PC.
Also console can be modified and hacked into the consoles OS to add cheats, I think..

[ardaa]

I do play VAC secured games, a lot, see my playtimes: www.steamcommunity.com/id/Slayer00

Its IMPOSSIBLE to create FULLY cheat-free game for PC.
Also console can be modified and hacked into the consoles OS to add cheats, I think..

TBH yes i think pb works much more better like i have 500h bc2 game play and seen only 3-4 cheater. but seen kicked-banned for aimbot or some other stupid action.

[~SW]

'' So you might see few cheaters online'' few? realy? are you realy playing games? seriously! vac= valve ANTI CHEAT! i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about the rest....

also why pc gaming not selling.. We all always seeing this news like devs not happy with pc, Why? because clever gamer buying game for consoles cheater free, works good, updates first and games made for them. and ofc pc games broken, unfinished, full of cheater, no more valve games seriously

NO, thats what happens when the developers dont give players the ability to manage their own servers. TF2 isnt nearly as bad as CoD as far as cheaters are concerned. Why? Because admins can ban a hacker & be done with it. VAC works quite well, much better than PB.

[ardaa]

NO, thats what happens when the developers dont give players the ability to manage their own servers. TF2 isnt nearly as bad as CoD as far as cheaters are concerned. Why? Because admins can ban a hacker & be done with it. VAC works quite well, much better than PB.

This topic is not about devs mistakes, and tf2 is a game not a anti cheat programe( but its nice to make admins ban or kick ppl from game like tf2 or battlefield series)

VAC is not works quite well not even close to pb. real time bans, kicks, no vac alows cheater to ruin your game first and maybe, but maaaaybe bans your acc ( which i realy dont believe it does) monts after. in this window u keep ruining other ppls game every single map. and i dont know why?!?!?!?!?!? seriously WHY!!! u enjoying this stupid act!.

VAC = ♥♥♥♥ thats it they have to fix, they have to make it better faster, stronger...

[ChrisW]

I realy dont think so mw2, bops, homefront for example they are not 5$ game but full of cheater...
Some people just have lots of disposable income and it is worth it to them to "pay to cheat". $5 is just not much of a deterrent to cheating. If someone can get away with cheating for a month and it only costs them $5, they consider that one month of fun for the value price of $5.

Personally, I would like to be able to run a server and limit the people that can connect to Steam accounts that have existed for at least a year with people that have physically played the game on that account for at least six months. That would dramatically reduce the number of cheaters and would discourage people from cheating since they would lose much more than just a $5 game.

[ardaa]

Personally, I would like to be able to run a server and limit the people that can connect to Steam accounts that have existed for at least a year with people that have physically played the game on that account for at least six months. That would dramatically reduce the number of cheaters and would discourage people from cheating since they would lose much more than just a $5 game.

Right? when I open score tab i may see his steam acc maybe so i can take screenshot and blame him on forums maybe. maybe i can ban his acc from my server and make my server more enjoyable!

[Nelsonator63]

Stop acting like Punkbuster is perfect. It kicks you from certain games for having fraps open...I mean fraps, come on.
VAC works, it bans large numbers of cheaters. It works on the games it was designed for. If you're playing MW2, then there is your problem. Play TF2, you'd be lucky to find 2 hackers every 1000 hours of gameplay.

[ardaa]

Stop acting like Punkbuster is perfect. It kicks you from certain games for having fraps open...I mean fraps, come on.
VAC works, it bans large numbers of cheaters. It works on the games it was designed for. If you're playing MW2, then there is your problem. Play TF2, you'd be lucky to find 2 hackers every 1000 hours of gameplay.

I never say pb is better and im using fraps never had problem check ur fraps crack... but yes pb is way better than vac.. and vac bans large numbers cuz it bans maybe 2 time in a year or something... and i dont have to play hat collecting game because of cheater free. I want to play games wich i like without cheat this is a normal thing. Think serious pls don't answer for your post count.

[Nelsonator63]

Im not posting for my post count. *Removed* But lets continue. COD4, pb kicks you for having the Steam in-game overlay enabled. It kicks you for having Fraps on. And no I don't have a cracked version of fraps because im not a pirate.
Punkbuster is good if you want to kick people then and there on the spot. VAC is good if you want people to actually lose their game.
VAC with dedicated servers is the best, because then admins can kick hackers, and VAC will do the rest.
Thats why TF2 is seemingly cheat free. VAC isn't suppose to be used with matchmaking.

[ardaa]

Im not posting for my post count. Im posting because I think you're a biased idiot. But lets continue. COD4, pb kicks you for having the Steam in-game overlay enabled. It kicks you for having Fraps on. And no I don't have a cracked version of fraps because im not a pirate.
Punkbuster is good if you want to kick people then and there on the spot. VAC is good if you want people to actually lose their game.
VAC with dedicated servers is the best, because then admins can kick hackers, and VAC will do the rest.
Thats why TF2 is seemingly cheat free. VAC isn't suppose to be used with matchmaking.

biased realy? and ty for idiot part. vac or pb i dont have a side why should I? u had problems with pb b4 ( and its good [ not idiotic] to be not a pirate) and you play tf2 which has admin system so doesn't matter if vac bans or not. I totaly understand you why u like VAC but try to play bops or homefront or mw2 ( i'am giving this examples cuz i have em ) then talk with me pls. VAC bans acc so? like i said b4 vac is not baning real time. and while that time, till that cheaters gets banned. They ruin many games, they ruined many games and they will ruin many games for a long time... I just want better gameplay and cheat free. I don't have stock certificate for pb...

[Fuel_]

MW2 is not a good example since it does not use dedicated servers. Because of that there are no admins to ban the cheaters and its only VAC. And PunkBuster might be better at first but then once the cheats are made so taht punkbuster does not detect them then punkbuster would be useless. No matter what anti cheat is used there will still be hackers and its up to admins to deal with them at first until VAC can ban them. You shouldn't be bashing VAC though it does more then you think. If there are that many cheaters try and get a private server so you can play cheat free while the hackers get banned.

[Lister]

So what do you expect? valve to like stop cheaters before they cheat? it would impossible for any anti-cheat to keep a game 100% cheat free

[Amander]

Ok, let me get this straight. Is this just another "VAC sucks in CoD" thread?

[Gone'Postal]

Ok, let me get this straight. Is this just another "VAC sucks in CoD" thread?

Yup, with a few other random things chucked in.

[Amander]

Yup, with a few other random things chucked in.Thanks for the clarification. Wouldn't it be cool to make some sort of a book about that? You know, there are books with the funniest Twitter entries (title something like "Life in 140 letters"), there are books collecting the best from bash.org, wouldn't it be cool to have "The top 100 people not getting that the CoD series are poorly made"?

[Gone'Postal]

Thanks for the clarification. Wouldn't it be cool to make some sort of a book about that? You know, there are books with the funniest Twitter entries (title something like "Life in 140 letters"), there are books collecting the best from bash.org, wouldn't it be cool to have "The top 100 people not getting that the CoD series are poorly made"?

I'd buy that!,

1001 Valve forum posts on MW2, would just be cover to cover rage.

[Amander]

I'd buy that!,

1001 Valve forum posts on MW2, would just be cover to cover rage.Don't forget BO, this game has a built-in wallhack feature.

[Gone'Postal]

Don't forget BO, this game has a built-in wallhack feature.

Don't get me started lol, Got that on release, never even loaded the multi-player side of it.:)

[polka]

Moved to the apropriate forum...

If your aim isn't any better in-game, I can understand why you think everyone is cheating.

haha, best post of the year!
brill :D

OP:
vac uses the delayed ban system, its better.

[Amander]

Don't get me started lol, Got that on release, never even loaded the multi-player side of it.:)Don't take the following personal please.

Don't you feel cheated? I mean, 60 bucks for a short SP part only? I really would have understood if it was for the MP part too or mostly for the MP part.

[Gone'Postal]

Don't take the following personal please.

Don't you feel cheated? I mean, 60 bucks for a short SP part only? I really would have understood if it was for the MP part too or mostly for the MP part.

I've not even done the single player yet, not had much time to play it, been remaking System Shock2 in the source engine.

but yes, I feel cheated from what I've done so far.. most of it was none-interactive stuff anyway.. I just made a coffee and left the game to it.

[polka]

been remaking System Shock2 in the source engine..

*cough* what?

i really want to see that, would be brilliant, derail is necessary!
tell us more please :D

[Teh_Guy]

Stop acting like Punkbuster is perfect. It kicks you from certain games for having fraps open...I mean fraps, come on.
VAC works, it bans large numbers of cheaters. It works on the games it was designed for. If you're playing MW2, then there is your problem. Play TF2, you'd be lucky to find 2 hackers every 1000 hours of gameplay.

Don't forget it doesn't let you play your game if the server isn't running the same version of you (why the eff doesn't it update itself anyway? i had to get a whole new tool to do that).

[polka]

Don't forget it doesn't let you play your game if the server isn't running the same version of you (why the eff doesn't it update itself anyway? i had to get a whole new tool to do that).

server owner issue,
if they dont update their server
(its manual RE: freedom to not have to update if they dont want to, etc)

then us clients cannot join it until they do.

[TimppaPro]

VAC has never been designed to prevent cheating.

VAC is meant to PUNISH cheaters.


Now, before you say that VAC does not detect any cheats, cheaters get away of this unpunished, blah blah blah, you can check how many "OMG PLZ UNBAN ME"-topics there are in the VAC forum. I can say that 75% of them are lying. (24.9% got keylogged/phished/etc, and only the 0,1% are false bans, [and most of them get undone]).

If you do not believe me, you can check for example Vacbanned.com. There are over 400 000 known banned accounts, and the real number is even bigger.

[AC130-Spectre]

. stop giving us useless voice updates... give us protection!!!!!!

Now quit yer ♥♥♥♥♥ing bout mah voice update. ♥♥♥♥ gets real when you have voice updates.

Is this guy trolling? I think he is either someone who talks on some kind of get-out-your-text-so-fast you have to have minimized accuracy msn.

Or he is trolling.

♥<---- I wonder if this will work?
Awww sweet! it does. Gotta love them pinkhearts

[Teh_Guy]

server owner issue,
if they dont update their server
(its manual RE: freedom to not have to update if they dont want to, etc)

then us clients cannot join it until they do.

'cause apparently it's smart to use outdated anti-cheat software..

[King of Koopas]

Let's see. Use dot play hl2 dm, never saw a cheater in like 30 or 40 hours of play.
Tf2, 2100 hours and seen maybe 4 or 5 cheaters, all promptly banned by server admins

No I think it's working :)

[Ace42]

The problem is these games keep going on sale for $5.

If you see Blops and Homefront on sale for $5, grab me a copy and I'll gift you back something worth treble quite happily...

[egor1908]

This is why everyone is cheating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect). VAC games are full of cheaters.

Irony.

[polka]

'cause apparently it's smart to use outdated anti-cheat software..

anti-cheat software is defaulted to update when an update is available, due to obvious problems if you do not.

so you should always do it.


servers are not configured the same way, you manually update them if you want to

but you dont have to,

the choice is yours...

EDIT:
always make sure your comparisons are comparable tbh, if they're not.......... don't compare them ;)

[crunchyfrog555]

This is why everyone is cheating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect). VAC games are full of cheaters.

Irony.

Thank you for that little nugget!

I wasn't aware someone had sat down and measured it as some sort of "effect". Nice :)

... and indeed, entirely appropriate.

[Matthew94]

In the year I have used steam I have seen 1 person I knew was a cheater and 1 person I suspected was one.

The person I knew was a cheater was on CS 1.6 as everyone on our team would die in a matter of seconds from this 1 person as a wave of death went around the map. People wouldn't see him coming, you would spawn and the game would be over in 20s.

The suspected time was in TF2 when I saw a heavy that was running faster than me as a medic and they had a minigun out but I wasn't sure if they were cheating.

So much for tons of cheaters.

[crunchyfrog555]

In the year I have used steam I have seen 1 person I knew was a cheater and 1 person I suspected was one.

The person I knew was a cheater was on CS 1.6 as everyone on our team would die in a matter of seconds from this 1 person as a wave of death went around the map. People wouldn't see him coming, you would spawn and the game would be over in 20s.

The suspected time was in TF2 when I saw a heavy that was running faster than me as a medic and they had a minigun out but I wasn't sure if they were cheating.

So much for tons of cheaters.

A nice, balanced opinion for once :)

Makes a change from all those "they were cheating" (because they were just better than me).