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lordpatiii
03-30-2011, 06:56 AM
I have a few questiones about VAC, it's limitations, and it's nature. I Do not wich to complain about it, I simply want to avoid being banned becasue of ignorance on my part.

1. What exactly Constitutes cheating in Team fortress 2/ half life 2 death match/ left 4 dead? Will I be banned for using custom skins, weapons or hats? What kind of mods are allowed?

2. Will i be banned for screwing around with single player games such as portal or half life 2 (and it's episodes)? Similarly the orange box is listed as being VAC protected. Does that aply to all games in the anthology or just team fortress 2? What about achievment managers and the like?

3. What can i do in Gmod? I am very unclear this. Are things like wiremod considered cheating? Are files form garry's mod.com Ok?

4.Can I use Cheats on non VAC servers, private servers, dedicated servers Etc? If i turn cheats off and then use VAC servers will i be banned?

5. Is there any general rule on files from face punch or Game banana.

6. Is it possible to be banned due to the use of cheats/mods/hacks on a non Vac game?
7. What about fan games or conversions (total or otherwise) such as this: http://www.hl2wars.com/
Or stuff like this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Source_engine_mods
http://topsites.moddb.com/all/?game=61
http://www.dbadventures.net/
I do not wish to "cheat" in order to make thigns less fun for others. I simply wish to expiriment and have fun with friends in ways that do not impeed the enjoyment of others.


I apologize if i am being anoying with this overly long and inquisitive post.

eram
03-30-2011, 07:05 AM
You are not permitted to use cheats on any game, single player,multiplayer, VAC enabled or otherwise. Replacing any core dll file in steam may also trigger a vac ban.

You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

Nekomancer
03-30-2011, 07:09 AM
1. What exactly Constitutes cheating in Team fortress 2? Will I be banned for using custom skins, weapons or hats? What kind of mods are allowed?
Every kind of mod that does not replace or use EXE or DLL files are allowed. Custom skins, weapons and hats are allowed in TF2 and other Source games from Valve. Cheating is the use of external tools to manipulate the game to run faster, use an aimbot, look through walls and other things.

2. Will i be banned for screwing around with single player games such as portal or half life 2 (and it's episodes)? Similarly the orange box is listed as being VAC protected. Does that aply to all games in the anthology or just team fortress 2? What about achievment managers and the like?
VAC only protects multiplayer games. Period. You can do in Singleplayer as much as you want, as long as you don't manipulate core game files (see answer to 1.). Your best bet would be using built-in cheats from Valve, they offer a lot of fun.

3. What can i do in Gmod? I am very unclear this. Are things like wiremod considered cheating? Are files form garry's mod.com Ok?
I don't own Garry's Mod, so i can't really answer that.

4.Can I use Cheats on non VAC servers, private servers, dedicated servers Etc? If i turn cheats off and then use VAC servers will i be banned?
There is no reason to use cheats. You can use the built-in cheats by enabling sv_cheats, but external cheats should not be used, ever. Also using built-in cheats can be used on a VAC protected server, as these are allowed.

5. Is there any general rule on files from face punch or Game banana.
No .exe or .dll files. See answer to 1.

6. Is it possible to be banned due to the use of cheats/mods/hacks on a non Vac game?
As long as it doesn't affect VAC protected games, probably not. But cheats may share routines with other cheats that are VAC detected. Do not run a cheat and connect to a VAC protected server, ever.

I hope my answers are useful.

lordpatiii
03-30-2011, 07:10 AM
You are not permitted to use cheats on any game, single player,multiplayer, VAC enabled or otherwise. Replacing any core dll file in steam may also trigger a vac ban.

You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

Doe that include the console?

lordpatiii
03-30-2011, 07:13 AM
Every kind of mod that does not replace or use EXE or DLL files are allowed. Custom skins, weapons and hats are allowed in TF2 and other Source games from Valve. Cheating is the use of external tools to manipulate the game to run faster, use an aimbot, look through walls and other things.


VAC only protects multiplayer games. Period. You can do in Singleplayer as much as you want, as long as you don't manipulate core game files (see answer to 1.). Your best bet would be using built-in cheats from Valve, they offer a lot of fun.


I don't own Garry's Mod, so i can't really answer that.


There is no reason to use cheats. You can use the built-in cheats by enabling sv_cheats, but external cheats should not be used, ever. Also using built-in cheats can be used on a VAC protected server, as these are allowed.


No .exe or .dll files. See answer to 1.


As long as it doesn't affect VAC protected games, probably not. But cheats may share routines with other cheats that are VAC detected. Do not run a cheat and connect to a VAC protected server, ever.

I hope my answers are useful.

They were. Thank you!:D

eram
03-30-2011, 07:14 AM
What do you mean "the console"?

Console commands can never trigger VAC if thats what you mean.

real4xor
03-30-2011, 07:26 AM
2. Will i be banned for screwing around with single player games such as portal or half life 2 (and it's episodes)? Similarly the orange box is listed as being VAC protected. Does that aply to all games in the anthology or just team fortress 2? What about achievment managers and the like?

Not on the source games. You can freely cheat your way trough a single player game. But if you want to play it safe, just use the console commands only to cheat. ;)
:/ but I`ve read some rumors that MW and a few other games don`t allow single-player cheating. (anyone know the facts? Correct me if I`m wrong)


3. What can i do in Gmod? I am very unclear this. Are things like wiremod considered cheating? Are files form garry's mod.com Ok?

Those files should definately be okay.
As what you can do with Gmod: Gmod is just a free FPS modding game. If you connect to other servers you can see people who made "their own" shooter or mmog with it. Which is fun.
Other people make rube goldberg machines, funny vids, or other pieces of art. It`s sandbox like you`ve never seen before. =P You can even create your own sandcastles.
If you have any other Source engine games, you can transfer skins and objects from those to Gmod. (for example: if you got TF2, you can use some of the TF2 characters in Gmod)

Doe that include the console?
Console commands won`t affect a multiplayer game, unless you`re the server. In which case you can use them as much as you like.
Those are built-in cheats, would be odd if you get VAC banned for those.

CTRL ALT DEL !
03-30-2011, 08:02 AM
With Valve games sv_cheats 1 in console allows a multitude of cheats using console commands and is perfectly safe and can be fun as hell if it isn't abused for an advantage to just you.

lordpatiii
03-30-2011, 01:22 PM
You are not permitted to use cheats on any game, single player,multiplayer, VAC enabled or otherwise. Replacing any core dll file in steam may also trigger a vac ban.

You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

What about models.

also jsut to clarify

I'm guessing things like these are ok :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3umzWTxYwU
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/video-applejack-in-tf2.html

But what about this kind of thing?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk75CmbSGy0

or Scripts

or say some kind of mod that allowed Gordon or The Heavy to "fly"




sorry If i'm being annoying .

PhamousVegas
03-30-2011, 02:10 PM
Going to try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.
1. Anything that modifies core game DLL or EXE files are considered cheats.
You are free to modify files that don't edit the exe or DLL files, as I just said.
Skins are generally safe, unless they come with an installer that has built-in trojans or other modifications you are not aware of.

2. Single Player games do not use VAC. The orange box is listed as VAC-Protected due to TF2.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/220/
As you can see from the HL2 store page, it does not say VAC-Enabled.
You can also check the other games in the Orange Box, but I'm too lazy to link them.
HOWEVER with that said, I'm pretty sure all Source games (excluding GMOD/L4D/L4D2) share files... so do NOT modify the core EXE or DLL files in Source Single Player games either.
Trainers are fine in SP, assuming they do NOT permanently modify the files, however make sure they are completely disabled when you go into a multiplayer game.
You may want to do a system restart to be safe.

3. Wiremod is not considered cheating, I do believe all files on garrysmod.org are safe.
However, as I said before make sure said modifications do not modify the core dll or exe files. Big no no.

4. Technically you wouldn't be banned by VAC for that, but you would be banned from server administrators and viewed as a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for cheating.

5. Not 100% sure, but as with garrysmod.org I am fairly certain files from these sites are relatively safe.
Make sure they don't modify core exe or dll files (think I've said this like 10 times so far, lmao)

6. Not unless said modifications have attributes that would modify Steam or VAC-Enabled games as well as the non-vac games.
Or have trojans that VAC picks up as a cheat.

TimM
03-30-2011, 02:13 PM
You are not permitted to use cheats on any game, single player,multiplayer, VAC enabled or otherwise. Replacing any core dll file in steam may also trigger a vac ban.

You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

What do you mean, cheats in singleplayer is allowed, I do that sometimes to have fun.

No one can dictate whether it is right or wrong... well, actually the person who bought the game decides that for themselves.

lordpatiii
04-02-2011, 01:09 PM
You are not permitted to use cheats on any game, single player,multiplayer, VAC enabled or otherwise. Replacing any core dll file in steam may also trigger a vac ban.

You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

So what about conversions and fang agmes like:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Source_engine_mods
http://topsites.moddb.com/all/?game=61
http://www.dbadventures.net/

or half life wars

PhamousVegas
04-02-2011, 01:58 PM
So what about conversions and fang agmes like:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Source_engine_mods
http://topsites.moddb.com/all/?game=61
http://www.dbadventures.net/

or half life wars

As long as the modifications go in the sourcemods folder and not in the source game folder you're fine.

lordpatiii
04-02-2011, 03:05 PM
As long as the modifications go in the sourcemods folder and not in the source game folder you're fine.

What About Scripting?

PhamousVegas
04-02-2011, 03:14 PM
What About Scripting?

Define scripting?
If it doesn't modify any game EXE or DLL files, you're fine.
If it's a modifications that goes in sourcemods, you're fine.
Anything else will most likely cause a ban.

Konork
04-03-2011, 01:37 AM
What About Scripting?
If you mean things like rocket jumping scripts and that kind of stuff, they are safe. As a quick note, anything that uses either built in game features (Like scripting) OR that the game is built to accept without having to change any game-based settings (Like skins and Gmod mods) are perfectly safe

lordpatiii
04-04-2011, 01:51 PM
Define scripting?
If it doesn't modify any game EXE or DLL files, you're fine.
If it's a modifications that goes in sourcemods, you're fine.
Anything else will most likely cause a ban.

stuff like this:http://www.gamebanana.com/scripts/search?search=half%20life%202

PhamousVegas
04-04-2011, 02:07 PM
stuff like this:http://www.gamebanana.com/scripts/search?search=half%20life%202

Looks fine to me.

ojibewa
04-04-2011, 10:36 PM
some very very well thought out answers in this thread, I think more people should read this thread, it would sure answer a lot of the questions that get asked about VAC or PB enabled games..

nice work guys..

:)

lordpatiii
04-12-2011, 07:03 AM
Every kind of mod that does not replace or use EXE or DLL files are allowed. Custom skins, weapons and hats are allowed in TF2 and other Source games from Valve. Cheating is the use of external tools to manipulate the game to run faster, use an aimbot, look through walls and other things.


VAC only protects multiplayer games. Period. You can do in Singleplayer as much as you want, as long as you don't manipulate core game files (see answer to 1.). Your best bet would be using built-in cheats from Valve, they offer a lot of fun.


I don't own Garry's Mod, so i can't really answer that.


There is no reason to use cheats. You can use the built-in cheats by enabling sv_cheats, but external cheats should not be used, ever. Also using built-in cheats can be used on a VAC protected server, as these are allowed.


No .exe or .dll files. See answer to 1.


As long as it doesn't affect VAC protected games, probably not. But cheats may share routines with other cheats that are VAC detected. Do not run a cheat and connect to a VAC protected server, ever.

I hope my answers are useful.

So stuff like this is cool right?
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/0...ck-in-tf2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk75CmbSGy0

Nekomancer
04-12-2011, 07:09 AM
The first link does not work and the second one is not available for me.

lordpatiii
04-12-2011, 10:29 AM
The first link does not work and the second one is not available for me.

The first one replaces the character model of the engineer with that of a pony and the second makes the minigun shoot rockets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71yf-sBZwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-O7nu04cM0

another example would be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmSlpSF3zkw&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04hjfDR7q9U

and what about HUD mods?

__asm
04-12-2011, 04:29 PM
1. Any type of mod that does not edit core files (.exe, .dll files) is permitted.
2. Achievement managers are iffy, but messing around in SP is fine.
3. All files from garrysmod.com are safe.
4. You'll be fine. Just make sure you no longer have the cheats loaded before joining a VAC-protected server.
5. You may use them so long as they do not modify any .exe or .dll files
6. As long as you are not on a VAC-protected server, you'll be fine.
7. No

Also, using skins on MW2/Blops is fine. People on these forums seem convinced that they trigger bans. They don't.

The first one replaces the character model of the engineer with that of a pony and the second makes the minigun shoot rockets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71yf-sBZwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-O7nu04cM0

another example would be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmSlpSF3zkw&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04hjfDR7q9U

and what about HUD mods?CTX (weapon) modifications will not trigger bans, but you won't be able to join any MP servers (VAC-protected or not)

HUD mods are fine.

lordpatiii
04-27-2011, 05:13 PM
1. Any type of mod that does not edit core files (.exe, .dll files) is permitted.
2. Achievement managers are iffy, but messing around in SP is fine.
3. All files from garrysmod.com are safe.
4. You'll be fine. Just make sure you no longer have the cheats loaded before joining a VAC-protected server.
5. You may use them so long as they do not modify any .exe or .dll files
6. As long as you are not on a VAC-protected server, you'll be fine.
7. No

Also, using skins on MW2/Blops is fine. People on these forums seem convinced that they trigger bans. They don't.

Also, what is "sp"

CTX (weapon) modifications will not trigger bans, but you won't be able to join any MP servers (VAC-protected or not)

HUD mods are fine.

Will this inability to join mp servers be permanent or just when i use the CTX Mod?
Also, what is "sp"

unserene
04-27-2011, 06:05 PM
Single Player

LanceLake
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
You may install any mod or skin you wish, those are not considered cheats.

Well, except for the Paranoia Mod. That WILL give you a VAC ban.

Zefar
04-28-2011, 12:12 AM
Well, except for the Paranoia Mod. That WILL give you a VAC ban.

Only if you where to play online after that without removing certain files. Plenty of people played through it without getting banned.

Nekomancer
04-28-2011, 05:36 AM
Also the file that gets you banned is optional, you have to add it manually.

Tripas
04-28-2011, 08:14 AM
I've recently contacted Steam Support because I was looking to remove some achievements from my profile (I want to hunt them again :) ) so I asked them what's their stance on using 3rd party software to do this. Their reply was as follows:

Message by Support Tech Duane on Tue, 26th Apr 2011 1:45 pm
Hello ******,

We do not provide analysis of third party software for VAC compliance. Any third party software, skins or other modifications you use in conjunction with Steam should be done at your own discretion.

Only cheats (modifications designed to give one player an advantage over other players) will trigger a VAC ban.

If you have questions about a specific third party application, please contact the developer of the application for assistance.

For more information on the VAC System, please see this article:

Title: Valve Anti-Cheat System (VAC)
URL: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Hope that helps with some of you. :D

RebornRevan180
04-28-2011, 12:06 PM
Tripas, Thats all they ever say :P I have like 20 tickets related to VAC questions thats all i ever got. even when i asked about skins....

Quick questions:

To be sure, 'skins' wont ban me? but L4D requires editing the VPK files, is that going to get me banned? I know for sure servers with whitelist(if that works in l4d?) will kick me for consistancy checks & things like that

Will having debugging tools, and memory editors in general (cheat engine, WinDBG, HxD, OllyDbg) just installed, trigger VAC ban -- I will never use them in VAC secure, nor would i care to. BTW Cheat engine isnt straight up cheating. Yes it can be used for cheating, but it has tons of functions that i enjoy when messing around with programs to see how they work

lordpatiii
05-15-2011, 09:02 AM
Single Player
And the ctx mod?
also
what about tools like these? http://www.gamebanana.com/tools/search?search=source