Cancel Pre-Order/Refund -- The Witcher 2

[elionbel]

Already submitted a cancel on my pre-order for this game. Hopefully it'll go through before it's released in nine hours.

Multiple reviews on the game from overseas have stated the game lacks an Invert Mouse option as well as it being a strict DX9 game.

Even WoW has DX11 settings... wtf?

[gwenavered]

fail.

[Epic Stare Bird]

Rofl. I hope you don't get it. It'll be amazing as hell and you'll regret it anyway.

[Jhaxavier]

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Who the hell uses invert mouse?

[elionbel]

I'm not going to play a game that won't let me Invert my mouse Y axis.

What major release games don't offer that?

TW2 has settings for a gamepad, but no Invert settings for EITHER.

[Miken420]

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Who the hell uses invert mouse?

People from the Bizarro dimension.

[Brandon Spikes]

Damn, this game doesn't support trackball rumble, I'M OUT OF HERE!

[salad10203]

PC gaming community fail.

[Omega_X]

Its unfortunate that they had to cut corners to get this out in time. Hopefully DX11 will get patched in.

[elionbel]

Exactly, Omega. Patching in an invert option now would be hellish for the proper coding to handle the difference in gameplay -> menu navigation.

As for the invert haters, coming from flight sims, descent games, wing commander, and the sort, it's just a long-ingrained habit that pulling down = looking up.

Similar to how many people still use the arrow keys to move in FPS games.

Oh yeah, and you can't remap the WASD keys to those, either.

[ExoDan13]

I'm with elionbel here, I always use the invert y axis option in all games, PC or console. I havent cancelled my preorder as I wasnt aware that this game doesnt have an invert mouse option, its going to be very awkward to control without it.

[Miken420]

Most people play flight sims with a Yoke/Flightstick.

When I play a flight sim, I always make sure pulling back on the stick controls upward pitch. But in a game like this...?

When I was back in school my teachers used to hit me with a ruler if I wrote things with my left hand. I was left handed. They beat it out of me. I'm now ambidextrous.

Learn to adapt. It's what makes us human.

Or just go ahead and cancel your order on one of the most highly anticipated awesome RPGs of all time.

[elionbel]

Even Witcher 1 had invert mouse, so I don't see why it wasn't put into the sequel.

[Stawkur]

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Who the hell uses invert mouse?

I do....

[Stawkur]

Its unfortunate that they had to cut corners to get this out in time. Hopefully DX11 will get patched in.

wai t, its not DX11?

[elionbel]

wai t, its not DX11?dx9. so all the optimization options that come bundled with dx10 and dx11 won't be in it.

Cause people still play on 10 year old operating systems apparently.

[Stawkur]

dx9. so all the optimization options that come bundled with dx10 and dx11 won't be in it.

Cause people still play on 10 year old operating systems apparently.

Dang it I JUST bought it too, If I knew that I would have saved myself 44 dollars... WHY in ther FU$% Did I buy a 570 GTX if all these new games are NOT optimized for it....

[Miken420]

Dang it I JUST bought it too, If I knew that I would have saved myself 44 dollars... WHY in ther FU$% Did I buy a 570 GTX if all these new games are NOT optimized for it....

The game has been in development for some years. Give them a break.

I too am getting tired of DX9 releases. Yes it's pathetic. If they don't ever patch in DX11 then it's even more pathetic. But at least give them a chance to get the game launched first.

I'm sure they'll upgrade to dx11 eventually.

[Nintendog66]

Wow.... Seriously guys!?!? The game looks better than 90% of anything out now, there's no need for DX11 unless they want to do some optimization.

[GFUNK]

you invert mouse guys are so annoying every time i wanna have a go i need to go into the menu and swap it back to the NORMAL way

witcher 2 is not a flight sim!


I'm also annoyed about DX9 and being in australia part of the game is now censored thanks to our government

[Stawkur]

Wow.... Seriously guys!?!? The game looks better than 90% of anything out now, there's no need for DX11 unless they want to do some optimization.

dx11 isnbt about looks to me ,its about "free" AA and Better running engines , optimized. Never been about looks anyways

[Miken420]

I'm also annoyed about DX9 and being in australia part of the game is now censored thanks to our government

Long live the commonwealth!

I heard something about user controlled region selection on the GoG version.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/10/australians-might-want-to-pick-up-witcher-2-on-gog/

[Nintendog66]

There's no such thing as "free" AA. Regardless of that though, there have been interviews where they said they'd add DX11/10 support if there's enough demand for it, but really people that have DX11 cards are only 18% of the market(according to steam statistics).

[Stawkur]

There's no such thing as "free" AA. Regardless of that though, there have been interviews where they said they'd add DX11/10 support if there's enough demand for it, but really people that have DX11 cards are only 18% of the market(according to steam statistics).

YES there is... many games in DX10 i can run 4x AA and get same performance as if it were off.

Educate yourself please.

[Miken420]

YES there is... many games in DX10 i can run 4x AA and get same performance as if it were off.

Educate yourself please.

Why don't you purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

[-GLiTcHeD-]

I can understand DX11 being necessary when they cut graphic options (like Shogun 2's AA ability) but this game has everything you need in graphic options and even in DX9 it looks better than nearly every other game out there.

Seriously, if you plan on missing out on this game because of that... Go ahead, cancel your pre-order and get back to the cookie-cutter games that spew repitition but OMG IT HAZ DX11!

I can understand people being upset about missing the invert axis option though, however, it might be possible to bring this to the attention of the devs or maybe some other fix so I wouldn't just give up on the game because of it.

[Stawkur]

Why don't you purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

either you are psychic or I have Minnesota in my Profile,I just put my boat out today there LOL

And yes, DX10 and DX11 can offer "free" 4x AA, well known fact, half the reason DX10 and DX11 were made was to streamline the branches of coding and make it more efficient to allow more effects at a cheaper resource.

[Stawkur]

I can understand DX11 being necessary when they cut graphic options (like Shogun 2's AA ability) but this game has everything you need in graphic options and even in DX9 it looks better than nearly every other game out there.

Seriously, if you plan on missing out on this game because of that... Go ahead, cancel your pre-order and get back to the cookie-cutter games that spew repitition but OMG IT HAZ DX11!

I can understand people being upset about missing the invert axis option though, however, it might be possible to bring this to the attention of the devs or maybe some other fix so I wouldn't just give up on the game because of it.


i never did a MMY GOTZ IT HAS NO DX11... And I wont cancel, I just dont understand,it is not like DX11 is harder to program for... and it is the year 2011. And the mouse invert is nothing, Heck I will write me a script to fix that.

[Miken420]

either you are psychic or I have Minnesota in my Profile,I just put my boat out today there LOL

And yes, DX10 and DX11 can offer "free" 4x AA, well known fact, half the reason DX10 and DX11 were made was to streamline the branches of coding and make it more efficient to allow more effects at a cheaper resource.

Actually I randomly thought to say that. It's a quote from the Chappelle Show when Dave Chappelle dressed up like Prince and challenged Charlie Murphy and his friends to some 5v5 half court basketball.

One of them gets all sweaty and tired and he tells them to purify themselves in the waters of lake Minnetonka.

As to what made me think of saying that, who knows. I'm a fkin lunatic. :D

[Nintendog66]

YES there is... many games in DX10 i can run 4x AA and get same performance as if it were off.

Educate yourself please.

That has nothing to do with the DirectX API, more of how good the engine itself is and what kind of AA they're using, which would most likely be some kind of crappy blur effect to hide jaggies.

[-GLiTcHeD-]

i never did a MMY GOTZ IT HAS NO DX11... And I wont cancel, I just dont understand,it is not like DX11 is harder to program for... and it is the year 2011. And the mouse invert is nothing, Heck I will write me a script to fix that.

Alright my bad then! >_<

I got a GTX580 myself and I'd also like it if there was DX11 (mainly for tesselation) but seeing how TW2 looks, I don't mind all that much anymore.

[Stawkur]

Alright my bad then! >_<

I got a GTX580 myself and I'd also like it if there was DX11 (mainly for tesselation) but seeing how TW2 looks, I don't mind all that much anymore.

And soft shadows.. Does TW2 support Ambient Occlusion? I know some are not fans of that, but I find it to make a difference, I really like it in Brink, looks great

[Miken420]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1892781

fix for you inverted mouse guys

[elionbel]

I can understand DX11 being necessary when they cut graphic options (like Shogun 2's AA ability) but this game has everything you need in graphic options and even in DX9 it looks better than nearly every other game out there.

Seriously, if you plan on missing out on this game because of that... Go ahead, cancel your pre-order and get back to the cookie-cutter games that spew repitition but OMG IT HAZ DX11!

I can understand people being upset about missing the invert axis option though, however, it might be possible to bring this to the attention of the devs or maybe some other fix so I wouldn't just give up on the game because of it.It's not the "Oh it's prettier with DX11" issue. It's the "Oh, with DX11 coding and a DX11 card, my FPS jumps up almost double and the rendering is that much more efficient"

For instance, WoW patched their engine to DX11. With DX9 settings applied, I was getting 30-40 FPS with ultra settings in Orgrimmar.
Once I changed to DX11, same settings, my FPS jumped up to a solid 60 FPS.

DX11 is so much more optimized for today's graphics cards and gaming systems.

Also, TW2 was just starting to be developed when DX10.1 had already been out for a good year or more.

No excuse except being lazy for not having at least DX10 in the engine. Oh wait, yeah there is: They plan on porting this to PS3 and 360 in the next year or so.

Yay.

[elionbel]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1892781

fix for you inverted mouse guysAs I posted in that thread:

This will screw everything in all the menus up, since this affects the entire game and not just the gameplay aspect.

Pulling down will make your cursor move up when you want to select items or spells in the menu lists, not to mention the menu lists themselves.

[Stawkur]

As I posted in that thread:

This will screw everything in all the menus up, since this affects the entire game and not just the gameplay aspect.

Pulling down will make your cursor move up when you want to select items or spells in the menu lists, not to mention the menu lists themselves.

ouch...I may just settle with (reversed to me) the way it is then

[Miken420]

As I posted in that thread:

This will screw everything in all the menus up, since this affects the entire game and not just the gameplay aspect.

Pulling down will make your cursor move up when you want to select items or spells in the menu lists, not to mention the menu lists themselves.

Is it wrong that I find this hilarious?

You guys just need an overweight nun who's going through menopause to smack the cr4p out of your wrist every time you try to use reversed controls!

You'd be back to gaming normally in no time!

[Stawkur]

It's not the "Oh it's prettier with DX11" issue. It's the "Oh, with DX11 coding and a DX11 card, my FPS jumps up almost double and the rendering is that much more efficient"

For instance, WoW patched their engine to DX11. With DX9 settings applied, I was getting 30-40 FPS with ultra settings in Orgrimmar.
Once I changed to DX11, same settings, my FPS jumped up to a solid 60 FPS.

DX11 is so much more optimized for today's graphics cards and gaming systems.

Also, TW2 was just starting to be developed when DX10.1 had already been out for a good year or more.

No excuse except being lazy for not having at least DX10 in the engine. Oh wait, yeah there is: They plan on porting this to PS3 and 360 in the next year or so.

Yay.

pretty much what I said LOL... Oh well , I will still enjoy it!!

[gwenavered]

Is it wrong that I find this hilarious?

You guys just need an overweight nun who's going through menopause to smack the cr4p out of your wrist every time you try to use reversed controls!

You'd be back to gaming normally in no time!

i find his inability to adapt and learn new control schemes to be hilarious.

[Inarborat]

PC gamers, always looking for an excuse to not buy a game. You're missing out if you pass this one up. I don't want to hear any "omg they're putting it on consoles!" talk either if you don't support it.

[thavoiceless]

There is some seriously ignorant inverted mouse hate going on. People's brains become hard-wired a particular way. Can you imagine what it would be like to be forced to play with inverted mouse if you're a "normal" mouse user? It would be a total chore. Even Call of Duty has inverted mouse support so why doesn't this? It is perfectly reasonable for someone to cancel a pre-order if they already know they are unable to enjoy playing it....

[cccino]

It would be a total chore.

It would be a total chore for about 5 minutes until you got used to it. On my old desk I didn't have room to use a mouse so I had to learn to use it left-handed. It takes longer to cry about it than to adapt to it.

[ViRuS2k]

HHAHAHAHA the guy is fooookin nuts, DX9 so what, it actually look better than all DX11 games out there. SO YOUR LOSS lol

[Mad Dog]

Already submitted a cancel on my pre-order for this game. Hopefully it'll go through before it's released in nine hours.

Multiple reviews on the game from overseas have stated the game lacks an Invert Mouse option as well as it being a strict DX9 game.

Even WoW has DX11 settings... wtf?

Do you even have any sort of clue as to what DirectX11 does?
You can recreate 99% of the effects using DirectX9, which has been done in this case. You arent missing anything(but tesselation).

[Mouseraider]

You all know that it would take weeks if not months, before proper drivers would be released for the game to run properly in dx11, so why complain so much.

Remember Dragon Age 2? when was it that the nvidia drivers were released, you know.. the ones that boosted performance 550%. Thats right, long after everyone were done playing the game.

[thavoiceless]

It would be a total chore for about 5 minutes until you got used to it. On my old desk I didn't have room to use a mouse so I had to learn to use it left-handed. It takes longer to cry about it than to adapt to it.

To quote my previous post, some people are just plain ignorant. If you have been gaming with inverted mouse for 10+ years you simply just can't adapt that easily. If you have been using your mouse right-handed for that length of time and can change that easily then you are truly a god amongst men.

[DaneO'Roo]

DX11 and tesselation are arbitrary with a game that already has twice the polycount of every game out there.

[EpicLegion]

I hate Microsoft for "DX11 is cool, DX9 and OpenGL sucks" marketing campaign. It's developer choice, not yours.

[Kradath]

DX11 and tesselation are arbitrary with a game that already has twice the polycount of every game out there.

With tesselation it would look AND run better. I mean, DX11 is out there, if you hate it or not, why not simply use it?

[muppetts]

You can invert the mouse yourself.........

[cccino]

If you have been gaming with inverted mouse for 10+ years you simply just can't adapt that easily. If you have been using your mouse right-handed for that length of time and can change that easily then you are truly a god amongst men.

A little hyperbolic but kind nonetheless. Thank you.

[joelegecko]

you invert mouse guys are so annoying every time i wanna have a go i need to go into the menu and swap it back to the NORMAL way

See how hard it is for you to play with an inverted mouse? It's the same crap for us with the normal mouse. Just open your chakras. Normal/inverted mouse is to games what right and left handed people are to life :)

[AKWolf]

There are a lot of dumbshiz on this board.:p A simple search for what version of DX TW2 would've yielded answers. Instead people come here and whine and cry like spoiled little brats.:p

[rupok2]

the game graphics are over the top, I didn't buy for the graphics anyways, I bought for dynamic environment and an epic rpg.

[runtheplacered]

Umm.. all you have to do to get your mouse to be inverted is edit your INI file. It'd take you all of 10 seconds. Just do a quick google search.

And as for WOW having DX 11... there are no effects from DX 11 at all used in WOW (obviously, I mean jesus.. just LOOK at it). It's only use is to help accelerate things. That's it.

These are two terrible reasons to cancel a preorder.

[runtheplacered]

With tesselation it would look AND run better. I mean, DX11 is out there, if you hate it or not, why not simply use it?

My guess is that it would have delayed the game. They could have pulled a Shogun 2 and released it a month or two later. And who knows, maybe they will? But it certainly isn't worth delaying the game over.

[skylr616]

Wow... if this is only major complaint that will hang around on the front page then it looks like Witcher 2 is going to be one of the better games of the year. I mean... most new games are blowing up their front page with complaint after complaint and I'm having trouble finding any... this was the biggest one I could find.

I agree that invert mouse look is a weird thing to be left out but I have a feeling there are few people that would consider it a game breaker. I (and most folks) also couldn't care less if the game is DX9 as long as it looks good at a reasonable performance level (which is what appears to be the case based on early reviews).

I think DX10/11 is seriously blown out of proportion atm... I play pretty much every new game in every genre and I've seen no DX10/11 games that really put a high quality DX9 game to shame. There is a lot of potential (DX11 tessellation ftw) but compatible HW hasn't penetrated enough of the huge mid-low range gaming market yet for developers to really focus on it (well, except for games that started development relatively recently... Witcher 2 has been in development for years and its not reasonable to expect a studio to rebuild an engine every few years prior to launch).

I also take serious issue with how poorly AA is implemented in most of the newers DX10/11 games because of compatibility issues with traditional AA methods and new shaders... they may not hit up performance as much but they look terrible 90% of the time!

[skylr616]

Umm.. all you have to do to get your mouse to be inverted is edit your INI file. It'd take you all of 10 seconds. Just do a quick google search.

And as for WOW having DX 11... there are no effects from DX 11 at all used in WOW (obviously, I mean jesus.. just LOOK at it). It's only use is to help accelerate things. That's it.

These are two terrible reasons to cancel a preorder.

QFT.

Very quick and easy config edit to get mouse inverted. Here is one of the forum threads I found after a 5 second google search.

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/the_witcher_2/no_inverted_mouse/page1

You need to edit the "user.ini" file and capitalization apparently matters.

I added Invert=1 to the [MouseInput] section, inverted my mouse fine for me. Mind the Capital I in Invert.

[MouseInput]
SensitivityX=0.5
SensitivityY=0.5
Smoothness=1
Invert=1

[thegazelle6]

i never did a MMY GOTZ IT HAS NO DX11... And I wont cancel, I just dont understand,it is not like DX11 is harder to program for... and it is the year 2011. And the mouse invert is nothing, Heck I will write me a script to fix that.

Except that DX11 probably didn't exist when they started making the engine, and rewriting an engine every few years when a new DX version comes out makes it kinda hard to keep up. In fact, I think the only game I've ever seen do anythign close are the STALKER games, that still scale all the way back to DX8.

There is some seriously ignorant inverted mouse hate going on. People's brains become hard-wired a particular way. Can you imagine what it would be like to be forced to play with inverted mouse if you're a "normal" mouse user? It would be a total chore. Even Call of Duty has inverted mouse support so why doesn't this? It is perfectly reasonable for someone to cancel a pre-order if they already know they are unable to enjoy playing it....
If someone is unable to enjoy a game because they can't adjust to that, that's their own fault. It's really not that hard to adjust.
Talk about "hard-wiring" all you want, I guarantee if you told that to anyone who knows anything about neuroscience they'd laugh in your face. If anything, the brain is I big mushy ball of adaptability and malleability.

You can easily learn to deal, and either way, it's not like this is an FPS where careful aiming is important. You'll mostly just be looking around when looking up an down, and menus really shouldn't take more than a few hours of play to adjust to.

With tesselation it would look AND run better. I mean, DX11 is out there, if you hate it or not, why not simply use it? Because it WASN'T out there when they made the engine?

See how hard it is for you to play with an inverted mouse? It's the same crap for us with the normal mouse. Just open your chakras. Normal/inverted mouse is to games what right and left handed people are to life
It's only changed because the option is there and it's easier than adapting, not because adapting is impossible.

I'm not condoning their leaving out mouse inverting, it's actually kinda puzzling why they wouldn't do that (maybe nobody thought of it when makign the engine and all their playtesters were non-inverted?), but it's really not that big of a deal, I'm sure they'll gladly patch it in. If The Witcher 1 is any indication, CD PROJECKT is more than happy to keep improving the game after release.

[elionbel]

Got my refund!! WOOHOO!!!

We have refunded your purchase of the items listed below. The credit should appear in your account within several business days.

Refunded items:
The Witcher 2 (NA)

[Tufelhunden]

Already submitted a cancel on my pre-order for this game. Hopefully it'll go through before it's released in nine hours.

Multiple reviews on the game from overseas have stated the game lacks an Invert Mouse option as well as it being a strict DX9 game.

Even WoW has DX11 settings... wtf?

Yea, DX 11 defines a PC game. :rolleyes: This game looks better than the vast majority of games, even ones with DX11. See ya. :)

[jasvic]

OP - whats is the difference between DX9 and 11? Can you answer without a google search? A tiny bit of potential eye candy is keeping you from playing the game? Damn I took the bait didn't I....:(

[methodman123]

lol YOu cancel pre order for a invert mouse option? and dx9? No game has fully used dx10 or dx11.

[Backslider.r2]

Game looks fine on DX9. Not mad about the lack of an invert mouse option either, because this isn't Ace Combat.

People are going to occasionally miss out on a great game if they refuse to touch anything that doesn't have the latest and greatest blinky lights and neat sounds. No skin off my nose, though. Prolly spares me having to read a negative review written by someone that thought the game was too hard.

[ACIDFAN]

Oh wait, yeah there is: They plan on porting this to PS3 and 360 in the next year or so.

Yay.

Moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoneyoneymoneymoneymoneym oney
mmmmmmmmmmmmmoney!

[elionbel]

lol YOu cancel pre order for a invert mouse option? and dx9? No game has fully used dx10 or dx11.

OP - whats is the difference between DX9 and 11? Can you answer without a google search? A tiny bit of potential eye candy is keeping you from playing the game? Damn I took the bait didn't I....:(bunch of things, tesselation, engine optimization. gpu efficiency. want to see some prime examples, go play far cry 2 in dx9, then dx11. play bfbc2 in dx9, then dx11. see the differences in shading, see-though objects/smoke/clouds/environmental graphics that aren't available to do in dx9.

Also, just plain disgusted that devs are using a tech from 2002 when dx10.1 was out for a good year when they STARTED on this game.

And inverted mouse option is a plain no-go. Imagine if the game were opposite. ONLY had inverted mouse with no option to switch it back to normal.

Animation is horrid, voice acting is bland at best. Maybe I'm spoiled by games such as the Dragon Age or Mass Effect series who had stellar voice acting. Or even Treyarch's games, which the animation doesn't seem forced or wooden.

Doesn't support 16:10 monitors. WHAT!?? Given that 90% of all monitors out there are 16:10, I don't see how this could have been overlooked.

For a --> PC EXCLUSIVE GAME <-- they sure messed up a whole lot of PC issues.

For a game that I held high expectations for, it missed the mark on every single one except one -> It's sure pretty.

But so was Age of Conan.

So yes, best way to voice my displeasure was by not giving them my money.

So I'm not.

And I know I'm not the only one who has or WISHES they didn't spend money on this farce.

[Immortalis]

Hahaha Thanks OP. Needed a good laugh today.

Gonna go play the game now. :D

[lgm1979]

lol YOu cancel pre order for a invert mouse option? and dx9? No game has fully used dx10 or dx11.
I agree with the lol, I wouldn't cancel a pre-order over this, they'll obviously have to patch it. It's a pretty big oversight, but I'm sure they'll fix it, although there's still no fix for inverting y-axis on controller (which sucks).

As to dx10/11, Just Cause 2 was entirely built on DX10, and it shows. The game is jaw droppingly gorgeous and runs like a dream. I get 50-80 fps on it with settings nearly maxed and 4xAA/4xAF, SSAO off of course :) And that's on a core2duo based system.

[dpgagnon]

Hahaha Thanks OP. Needed a good laugh today.

Gonna go play the game now. :D

Agreed! Man, he's so silly.

Just to be clear there is an inverted mouse setting. User.ini set the values for mouse X & Y to negative.

And the graphics are way better than anything I've played that used DX11.

[elionbel]

I agree with the lol, I wouldn't cancel a pre-order over this, they'll obviously have to patch it. It's a pretty big oversight, but I'm sure they'll fix it, although there's still no fix for inverting y-axis on controller (which sucks).

As to dx10/11, Just Cause 2 was entirely built on DX10, and it shows. The game is jaw droppingly gorgeous and runs like a dream. I get 50-80 fps on it with settings nearly maxed and 4xAA/4xAF, SSAO off of course :) And that's on a core2duo based system.Exactly, Just Cause 2 was built on the DX10 engine. AND CAME OUT MARCH OF *LAST* YEAR!

Devs want to be lazy and cut multiple corners? Fine, they don't get my money for a half-@$$ed job.

I'll wait for the 20 patches for it to get up to where my expectations are. And by that time, when it's on sale for $19, I'll be much happier.

It's what I did for The Witcher 1

[Gvaz]

I'm not going to play a game that won't let me Invert my mouse Y axis.

What major release games don't offer that?

TW2 has settings for a gamepad, but no Invert settings for EITHER.

Change Y to a negative value

success

[FritzyDItzy]

This game looks amazing as it stands now, also they may add DX11 in the future as Shogun 2 is.

You'd be kinda stupid to cancel just for that, especially if you havent even seen it as it is.