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TWal
05-23-2011, 05:25 PM
Hey there everyone,
I'm freaking pumped for Battlefield 3. I'll be getting the game upon release, and I need some help. I am currently running a 9800 GTX vidoecard and I'd like to upgrade. I want a top of the line videocard that will run BF3 at full 1680x1050 resolution at max graphics with no frame drops.
In terms of money, I do have the cash to spend. Please don't let money affect your suggestions.

Thank you!
TWal

Imran166
05-23-2011, 05:28 PM
Considering they ran the game on max specs with a GTX 580, I think you could settle for a 570 if you are going to run it at that resolution.

Personally, I have a 5870 which is basically on par with the 6970. The only difference is that the 6970 can have more monitors, and I know for a fact that I should be able to run it just fine on 1920x1080.

TWal
05-23-2011, 05:32 PM
Thanks for the speedy response, Imran!

I see... is there a particular brand that would be best for the 570 (a link would also be great).

TWal
05-23-2011, 05:41 PM
Also, my friend told me that a 6950 should be able to handle the game at max graphics. Thoughts?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102914

TheSisko
05-23-2011, 05:43 PM
I am sure it will run the game fine but it is too early to know about maxing the game out. We won't know for sure until the open beta.

TWal
05-23-2011, 05:50 PM
I'm definitely looking forward to that.

I NEED THIS GAME!

Imran166
05-24-2011, 06:09 AM
Thanks for the speedy response, Imran!

I see... is there a particular brand that would be best for the 570 (a link would also be great).
All the cards perform the same.

The manufacturers (AMD/nVidia) make all the cards themselves, then they ship them off to different brands so they can add their own fans/heatsinks/designs and warranties on them.

Personally, I would go for EVGA as they have lifetime warranty, but it is completely up to you. There are a few nice Gainward GPU's with dual fans that should keep your card nice and cool.

MSTRB
05-24-2011, 06:25 AM
If money is not an issue get two GTX 590's

/Thread :P

prozac26
05-24-2011, 06:41 AM
Quad HD6990's or lag.

scorpio0666
05-24-2011, 07:24 AM
I have a AMD 2GB 5970. I would highly recommend this card. Nothing I throw at it could slow it down. It should run BF3 very well indeed. Keep in mind it will be more that just your video card. Make sure your RAM and your Processor is up to par as well.

Smooth613
05-24-2011, 08:13 AM
Considering they ran the game on max specs with a GTX 580, I think you could settle for a 570 if you are going to run it at that resolution.

Personally, I have a 5870 which is basically on par with the 6970. The only difference is that the 6970 can have more monitors, and I know for a fact that I should be able to run it just fine on 1920x1080.

A 5870 is not "basically on par" with a 6970, even in single monitor setups, as you seem to suggest. I highly suggest doing a touch of research before spouting out false information to someone asking for advice on a purchase, since if they take your advice seriously could end up making a bad purchase and regret it.

However each individual should do their own independent research, I'm aware of this, it's also nice to get first hand experiences from other users. Which is what the OP is after here I imagine.

The following tests (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_hd6970_hd6950_review/6.htm) (at the bottom of the page are links to each game tested and performance charts) were done with many GPU's and various games at both stock speeds and overclocked settings at multiple resolutions. Clearly you can see that the HD 6970 far exceeds the 5870 in every test. The *average of the tests is 16.5 FPS better, in favor of the 6970, and sometimes the 6970 doubles the performance of the 5870 at both stock and overclocked settings.

*The average was calculated by simple math, adding up the difference of each game test, then dividing by the number of tests. I did not even include the results of the benchmarking programs, only games since that's a more accurate representation of what to expect. I used the stock settings @ 1680 x 1050 for averages since the OP mentioned that resolution.

OP: My advice is get a XFX HD 6970 if you want an ATI card. XFX offers a double lifetime warranty that is transferable for their products that qualify. Overclocking does not void the warranty, it's supported. I cannot comment on nVidia since I haven't owned a nVidia GPU since the 8800 GTX. However, according to the previously mentioned tests, the GTX 580 typically surpasses the HD 6970 while the GTX 570 is usually outperformed by the HD 6970.

I personally have an HD 6970 and it maxes every game I've thrown at without issue. This includes Crysis and Crysis Warhead with tweaked "Extreme" settings. I run with V-Sync on, since I cannot stand screen tearing, and FPS rarely dips a significant amount where it's noticeable. The card is also very overclocker friendly even at stock voltage. Mine is stable at 990/1495 in Bench's and Gaming. However I don't run it at those clocks simply because it's not necessary at this time. Maybe that will change with Skyrim and Battlefield 3 coming out. We'll see.

Below is a screenshot of a performance graph of a Bad Company 2 multiplayer session across a few maps. As you can see FPS maintains 58-60 in most situations and only dips below that in very heavy smoke, destruction, and firefights, if all is happening at the same time in front of me. Then it only dips into the 40's and I still rarely notice any feel of lag for those few seconds. The image, bottom graph, also shows the usage of the CPU and GPU which maintains 80-100% usage throughout gameplay. CPU is a Phenom II x4 965 BE @ 4.0Ghz. BC2 loves a good CPU as much as it does a solid GPU.

Bad Company 2 Multiplayer session (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/longsessionct59gt72.jpg/)

2IS
05-24-2011, 08:55 AM
Personally, I have a 5870 which is basically on par with the 6970. The only difference is that the 6970 can have more monitors, and I know for a fact that I should be able to run it just fine on 1920x1080.

I'm not sure who told you or what led you to believe the difference between the 5870 and 6970 is monitor support, but that's completely false. The 6970 is considerably more powerful.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/13

Itchy
05-24-2011, 09:53 AM
I'm also looking to get a new card before release.

I'm sick and tired of SLI and want to go back to just having one card. I hate waiting for nvidia to release the new drivers that enable SLI for a particular game. Crysis 2 anyone??? Still no sli drivers for that...lol

I'd love to get the cash together for a 580 SC, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say anything above a 560TI will run without issue.

But, who knows... maybe there will be some new cards out by then...

SKiLLY2
05-24-2011, 10:18 AM
Make sure you have a good cpu otherwise you'll still experience fps drops.

hahahehe
05-24-2011, 11:05 AM
I'm also looking to get a new card before release.

I'm sick and tired of SLI and want to go back to just having one card. I hate waiting for nvidia to release the new drivers that enable SLI for a particular game. Crysis 2 anyone??? Still no sli drivers for that...lol

I'd love to get the cash together for a 580 SC, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say anything above a 560TI will run without issue.

But, who knows... maybe there will be some new cards out by then...

SO get Crossfire. It works with 98% of games out of the box. No need for any additional drivers/software/patches.

TWal
05-24-2011, 12:23 PM
I have 8GB DDR2 RAM and a Intel Core 2 Quad 2.66 GHz CPU.

I'm starting to think 6970. The card looks great, has great reviews, and from what I'm seeing here it's the right choice.

I know my CPU and RAM are starting to date a little, but I can't do anything about them without replacing the motherboard, which I'd like to avoid.

CowHide
05-24-2011, 12:28 PM
If your mainly getting it to play BF3 then I would suggest you wait until around November to make your decision. There will probably be 1 or 2 video card upgrades by then. And also you will know the recommend settings around that time as well.


Patience Patience Patience! :)

Medium_Rare
05-24-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm interested in this same question... I've got a gtx 460 and I'm debating getting another 460 or just going with a 570 or 580. It all depends on how the game runs with my single 460 and the price of the 570 at the time.

I'm nervous about going sli just because its seems to greatly increase the risk of issues. not only with drivers and game bugs, but with heat, power consumption, noise and upgradeability.

I'll probably go with the 570 when the time comes... I'm hoping that I won't really have to upgrade though.

munkeypants
05-24-2011, 01:44 PM
You can't just throw a top of the line GPU in any old computer.

You need a good processor and RAM too or it's just going to bottleneck.

lilbabycat
05-24-2011, 01:57 PM
At that resolution you do not need:
-A top of the line card
-An SLI or Crossfire setup

I would WAIT until ~30days before the game comes out, and buy whatever the best card (by benchmarks from various locations) at your price range (I wouldn't suggest spending less than $200 though).

So if you were to buy a video card today, I would suggest an ATI 6950, or a Nvidia 560ti which are both ~$240.

TWal
05-24-2011, 06:29 PM
Munkey, and any others, is 8GB DDR2 RAM and a 2.66 GHz Quad Core Processor powerful enough to play max graphics with, say a 6970 without bottle-necking?

DOE_JOHN88
05-24-2011, 06:35 PM
Buy a 580, you won't be disappointed.

Medium_Rare
05-24-2011, 07:11 PM
Munkey, and any others, is 8GB DDR2 RAM and a 2.66 GHz Quad Core Processor powerful enough to play max graphics with, say a 6970 without bottle-necking?

Cpu could use an oc... And unless bf3 has a 64bit version, you can have 20 gigs of ram and its stol only going to use 2gigs. Upgrading to ddr3 would also help if your mobo supports it.

I can't promise max graphics as I am still unable to prefect my time machine, but the things I mentioned won't hurt.

cursedpanther
05-25-2011, 02:56 AM
SO get Crossfire. It works with 98% of games out of the box. No need for any additional drivers/software/patches.

No way man. The sheer amount of issues in the AMD drivers is simply unbearable and makes a lack of dual-card support the least of your problems.

I swear the 2 HD5850 are the last cards I'll ever get from AMD.

iARDAs
05-25-2011, 03:19 AM
How well a 460M handle it?
It handles BC2 just fine.
I am all down with the quality of BC2.

koolgoofy
05-25-2011, 03:21 AM
No love for the 560 Ti :(. Something told me to get the 570 ;)

lilbabycat
05-25-2011, 03:24 AM
Munkey, and any others, is 8GB DDR2 RAM and a 2.66 GHz Quad Core Processor powerful enough to play max graphics with, say a 6970 without bottle-necking?

You'll be bottle necked.

i'm assuming the 2.66ghz Quad you have is a Core 2 based quad ? If it were an i7 I'd say OC the hell out of it, which should be relatively easy to do...

but again, at 1600x1050 you're not really going to be stressing your vid card to its limits...

Prysewhert(GER)
05-25-2011, 03:28 AM
i have a 1440x900 monitor and i dont plan to replace it anytime soon. i guess i dont need a 570 or a 6xxx card to max out bf3, do i?

cursedpanther
05-25-2011, 03:48 AM
How well a 460M handle it?
It handles BC2 just fine.
I am all down with the quality of BC2.
If you ask me, doing serious gaming on a laptop is simply unwise, but hey there is no stopping you of course.

Just remember that the Frostbite 2 engine will be dealing with even more physical properties than Frostbite 1.5. This should give you a big enough hint.:cool:

iARDAs
05-25-2011, 03:59 AM
If you ask me, doing serious gaming on a laptop is simply unwise, but hey there is no stopping you of course.

Just remember that the Frostbite 2 engine will be dealing with even more physical properties than Frostbite 1.5. This should give you a big enough hint.:cool:

True true
I got this gaming laptop from Asus. G73sw. Quiet happy with it to be honest.

I got this laptop for work and traveling and when i am doing both and bored can game.

Perhaps by the end of the year I might invest for a desktop PC for my house.

Better save money for that and build a futureproof desktop.

hahahehe
05-25-2011, 04:54 AM
No way man. The sheer amount of issues in the AMD drivers is simply unbearable and makes a lack of dual-card support the least of your problems.

I swear the 2 HD5850 are the last cards I'll ever get from AMD.

I had 2 4870s which i purchased on release day. I upgraded to 2 6870s about a month ago.

I've read some real horror stories from AMD users with driver issues but honestly, i've never had a single issue with mine.

I upgrade to the latest driver version when its available, i never remove older drivers first and yet not once have i experianced any of the supposed issues. I didn't even uninstall my drivers when i swapped out my 4870s to my 6870s.

Guess im just lucky (although i have only had 11.4 and 11.5 on my 6870s, will have to see what the future rings on these)

cursedpanther
05-25-2011, 05:21 AM
I had 2 4870s which i purchased on release day. I upgraded to 2 6870s about a month ago.

I've read some real horror stories from AMD users with driver issues but honestly, i've never had a single issue with mine.

I upgrade to the latest driver version when its available, i never remove older drivers first and yet not once have i experianced any of the supposed issues. I didn't even uninstall my drivers when i swapped out my 4870s to my 6870s.

Guess im just lucky (although i have only had 11.4 and 11.5 on my 6870s, will have to see what the future rings on these)
Anyway, I'm just saying I've lost my every ounce of confidence in AMD's display branch.

The Bulldozer series looks impressive, but I'm looking forward to Ivy Bridge more.

hahahehe
05-25-2011, 06:32 AM
Thats cool.

I look at it this way, ATI offer significantly more bang per buck than Nvidia do.

Example

I will use an ATI HD 6870 1GB as a baseline
Price = 170ish (yeah you could get one cheaper or more expensive)

Equvilant Nvidia in terms of price only
Nvidia 560Ti 1GB = 200ish

and yet the 6870 pwns the 560Ti

Rquivilant Nvidia in terms of performance
Nvidia 570 1280MB = 300

So its more than 1.5 times the price and only just more powerful.

Thats my justification for for buying AMD cards.

BattleAxe_604
05-25-2011, 04:58 PM
Hey there everyone,
I'm freaking pumped for Battlefield 3. I'll be getting the game upon release, and I need some help. I am currently running a 9800 GTX vidoecard and I'd like to upgrade. I want a top of the line videocard that will run BF3 at full 1680x1050 resolution at max graphics with no frame drops.
In terms of money, I do have the cash to spend. Please don't let money affect your suggestions.

Thank you!
TWal

Since DICE were running BF3 on a GTX 580, I would stick with the nVidia 500 series since the game is being designed around a nVidia product. Outside of that, I suppose its all about what you want to spend. I have a GTX 260 and I've played both Crysis and Crysis Warhead on "Very High" and "Enthusiast" settings with Vsync on and x2 AA at 720p without any issues, so obviously with any 500 series GPU you will get even better performance than what I get with my GPU. Two other major graphical showpieces I have played on similar settings to what I had played Crysis on was Metro 2033 and Bad Company 2. A friend of mine just bought a GTX 550TI on Amazon for $119.00(after rebate), and he's lovin it. Every game he plays, he's got everything jacked up at the highest levels.

Take a look at this rough chart, and keep in mind what I can do with my GTX 260. This is just a rough guide for comparison.
http://www.geforce.com/#/Hardware/GPUs/geforce-gt-520/performance

@flarp,

I've got an Intel i7 920 Quad Core 2.66Ghz 8MB Cashe 1066mhz FSB. I guess I should also mention that I've got 6GB DDR3 memory.

flarp
05-25-2011, 05:04 PM
whats your cpu?