I hope you're ready to connect to IWnet again! (mw3 axing dedis again)

[bejayel]

http://kotaku.com/5805959/the-modern-warfare-3-files-team-perks-no-nukes-new-killstreaks

Cause dedis are being axed for MW3. This game just completely removed itself from my potential purchase list. See the bottom of the article.

Good luck to all those on the PC who choose to support this complete trash and hurt the FPS gaming community for years to come by saying "Yes, this is perfectly acceptable".

[EviLCorsaiR]

This is still unofficial info. And I damn well hope it's wrong. I hope Activision/IW/Sledgehammer aren't stupid enough to try that again.

And if it's true, there's no way in hell that I'm getting it. I'll pirate it for the SP at most.

[NaOHSpree]

We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the Modern Warfare games starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)

MW2: Lag
BO: Random rank resets
MW3: Lag + Random rank resets

[matt2725]

Surely they're not that stupid.

[TheFobb]

Pretty sure that's in regards to console.

I'd be flabbergasted (that's right, flabbergasted) if they didn't have dedis in MW3.

[EviLCorsaiR]

Surely they're not that stupid.

You forget that Bobby Kumquack is still in charge. He's stupid (and greedy) enough to try anything that will make them extra money; or save them some.

Then again even financially this is a stupid move; surely they'd make more money through a one-server-provider deal like we have right now with Black Ops?

[Ferax]

RIP CoD PC

[matt2725]

Yeah reading it back now.

It said "still won't". That implies to me that it's regarding console play, not PC play.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[_taipan_]

bf3 looks prettier and prettier everyday.

[h3Ld1nhO]

bf3 looks prettier and prettier everyday.

x2 :cool:

[matt2725]

I love how folk didn't bother to read the article. The OP for one.

[EviLCorsaiR]

Yeah reading it back now.

It said "still won't". That implies to me that it's regarding console play, not PC play.

Move along, nothing to see here.

That bit did make me think. Maybe they're referring to the lack of public server files, as with Black Ops, where the dedicated servers are all handled by one provider?

[Cyzthur]

I love how folk didn't bother to read the article. The OP for one.

I read it.

We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the franchise starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)

[EviLCorsaiR]

...instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game.

This is that bit that's ambiguous. Is it talking about a peer-2-peer system like IWNet, or to servers hosted by a single provider like in BO?

[elmoi69]

I'll get it on console maybe, because is just a console game, take a look at Black Ops, still running like crap in modern PCs, not again please.

[matt2725]

I read it.

We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the franchise starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)

And you obviously still don't get it.

"This latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers".

Fair enough, you can't say Black Ops supports true dedi servers as such, but I'm pretty sure it does whichever way you look at it. So the word 'still' would not apply in the PC case.
This refers to consoles only, and I would wager enough on it.

[ashtree]

Dedicated servers were removed from the franchise starting with Modern Warfare 2.

sorry, im not a console expert since im an PC elitist tool, but surely the article is referring to PC? i wasnt aware that COD4 on consoles had dedicated servers. or are people just ignoring that part?

[Cyzthur]

And you obviously still don't get it.

"This latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers".

Fair enough, you can't say Black Ops supports true dedi servers as such, but I'm pretty sure it does whichever way you look at it. So the word 'still' would not apply in the PC case.
This refers to consoles only, and I would wager enough on it.

The journalist would have said this info pertains to consoles only if dedis were being supported on the pc. 402's "no comment" on Twitter doesn't look good for pc gamers. Dedis aren't a major feature that would be saved for marketing but the lack of dedis is info you want to keep from pc fans for as long as possible. Remember MW2?

[NaOHSpree]

Surely they're not that stupid.

They did it once and sold millions.

[Vrandas11]

The article writer writes like my mum explaining the internet....

And so it is still unkown. Even 402 says so.

http://www.mapmodnews.com/article.php/Dedicated-servers-Modern-Warfare-3

[EviLCorsaiR]

The journalist would have said this info pertains to consoles only if dedis were being supported on the pc. 402's "no comment" on Twitter doesn't look good for pc gamers. Dedis aren't a major feature that would be saved for marketing but the lack of dedis is info you want to keep from pc fans for as long as possible. Remember MW2?

402 also said that a lot of false info has been released about MW3, specifically saying things suggested by the article (e.g. return of stopping power) were false. I wouldn't trust anything in that 'leaked' article.

He's not denying there are no dedi's but he's not confirming it either. We can speculate as much as we want beforehand but it's not going to change the final outcome. And the outcome for me is that if there's dedis, I'm buying it, if there aren't dedis, then I'm not buying it.

[Matrix exist]

Call of Greedy is DEAD on PC

MW3 the next BIG FAIL movement

[Vrandas11]

My guess....

And reading between the twitter lines, 402 already gave it away...

It will be both again. But....

Rented Servers like BO and P2P match making as in MW2

So a bit of both but less and more than we used to have.


poldermodel. :D

[DTKT]

The article writer writes like my mum explaining the internet....

And so it is still unkown. Even 402 says so.

http://www.mapmodnews.com/article.php/Dedicated-servers-Modern-Warfare-3

Interesting!

I know that public files and full control over a server are a dream, but Gameserver wasn't that bad for me. IWnet was a poor service in grading pings and I always ended up in terrible servers most of the time.

[razdor2k]

nvmss

[Anheuser6]

you will not know until a couple weeks before the game is released.......

they said all along that MW2 was going to have dedi's....then dropped the bombshell....

i would not be surprised to see P2P again...it is after all the remnants of IW making this game....as well as others.....

[Ngamok]

I'll get it on console maybe, because is just a console game, take a look at Black Ops, still running like crap in modern PCs, not again please.

Black Ops runs pretty nice on my modern PC that is 1 year old last week.

[romotoma92]

Im not going to purchase this game. $60 for a broken multiplayer is not worth it.
The only thing that interests me about this game is the singleplayer, but ill find other ways to play it.
I think after this game, Activision will completely give up hope that the PC players will conform to their non-sense. Probably wont be another CoD title on PC, but thats all good, ill continue supporting DICE, at least they havent completely stabbed us in the back yet.

[MUNKY.]

402 also said that a lot of false info has been released about MW3, specifically saying things suggested by the article (e.g. return of stopping power) were false. I wouldn't trust anything in that 'leaked' article.

He's not denying there are no dedi's but he's not confirming it either. We can speculate as much as we want beforehand but it's not going to change the final outcome. And the outcome for me is that if there's dedis, I'm buying it, if there aren't dedis, then I'm not buying it.

well said amigo!

[tony117832]

Quit this bull♥♥♥♥ ... They just want more people accessing there website

[Ngamok]

Only way I'll get MW3 is if the Single Player is good and has good co-op. The single player for Black Ops for me was lacking and Zombie mode is good. I loved the co-op in MW2 and I loved the single player in both MW1 and MW2. I disliked both of Treyarch's single player W@W and BO but I liked their Zombie modes.

[Jerguy]

After years of playing CSS with dedicated servers I thought MW2 was terrible for not having them. But after having spent the last 6 months weeding through every lame ♥♥♥ rule server I'm almost for IWnet. Then all the gimp players that can only play crouch only, no running, no frags, no(add to the list)....can actually be forced to learn how to play the game instead of being complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥bags.

In actuality what I would like to see happen is a hybrid between the two, kind of like L4D2 which gives you the option of both dedicated and official servers.

[Marcem7121]

After years of playing CSS with dedicated servers I thought MW2 was terrible for not having them. But after having spent the last 6 months weeding through every lame ♥♥♥ rule server I'm almost for IWnet. Then all the gimp players that can only play crouch only, no running, no frags, no(add to the list)....can actually be forced to learn how to play the game instead of being complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥bags.

In actuality what I would like to see happen is a hybrid between the two, kind of like L4D2 which gives you the option of both dedicated and official servers.

I would be interested in a hybrid, but maybe a server list for non-ranked servers.

[nexus1g]

Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game.

It says "...found in previous iterationS of the game." MW2 was the only P2P CoD game for the PC AFAIK, so clearly it's not talking about PC or not talking about IWNet-style P2P hosting.

On the other hand, they also say, "Dedicated servers were removed from the Modern Warfare games starting with Modern Warfare 2." So I'm not sure.

[JohnieCide]

Didn't buy MW2 because there were no dedi's...and still haven't bought it. Will skip MW3 without them as well.

[Escannihilator]

just like cod:mw multiplayer, that blew. i wont be buying this game thats for sure.

[ProwerPlays]

Guys, the article has false info. FourZeroTwo has confirmed that Stopping Power isn't in the game, yet the article says differently. He did not explicitly say there would be dedicated servers, but he didn't say what the article was saying was true...

[nexus1g]

2 hours ago Bowling said, "There is blatantly false information in that article. I encourage you to reserve judgement until you have facts."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/76027838402281472

2 hours ago he said, "We have not announced whether Dedicated Servers are or are not in #MW3."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/75975813941563392

[-Aura-]

Could anyone blame them for not providing dedi-servers? They pawned the running of the server browser off to Daemonware and created the GameServer monopoly that everyone has become accustomed to whine about ... they don't care about dedi's, they care about the delivery system called Consoles. We have learned that there is no way in hell that they will release server files from hereonin for new additions to the franchise.

The PC community will just have to feed off the scraps they throw us, get used to it, we have no clout compared to the sheer numbers of console punters. Activision PR might one day just call time on the PC community anyway, all we do is whine, no?

[NorthernKingdom]

Again?

You're implying I bought Modern Warfare 2. :p

[NorthernKingdom]

2 hours ago Bowling said, "There is blatantly false information in that article. I encourage you to reserve judgement until you have facts."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/76027838402281472

2 hours ago he said, "We have not announced whether Dedicated Servers are or are not in #MW3."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/75975813941563392

aka it's true but we won't tell you until we get more pre-orders

If it's a flat out lie they'd correct it not ♥♥♥♥♥ foot around the truth like they are doing.

[nexus1g]

aka it's true but we won't tell you until we get more pre-orders

If it's a flat out lie they'd correct it not ♥♥♥♥♥ foot around the truth like they are doing.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I wouldn't assume anything at this point as I wouldn't want to make an ♥♥♥ of myself as the saying goes.

[Morphis]

In actuality what I would like to see happen is a hybrid between the two, kind of like L4D2 which gives you the option of both dedicated and official servers.

There are official Treyarch servers in BO.

[Kree]

Fml, I hope they bring Stopping Power back. The guns in Black Ops are so weak without it, at least some of them are.

[oliathsg]

Maybe if they had both options?
It can't be that hard.

I mean - the thing i hate about dedis is how there are so many servers just doing 'nuke fast exp' and stuff like that.

And I did like the ease of matchmaking. I know it's not what many people here want - but it was very efficient and convenient.

[ClintDrums]

I love how people complain about Black Ops servers and their stupid rules people have. They then say that dedicated server are just as bad as P2P. For those that are still unaware, Black Ops doesn't have real dedicated servers. They are hosted virtual servers that are completely run by another company. You can change the maps and other basic options that could even be chosen with P2P vote systems. You can "restart" your rented server (the server application) but never have control of the box itself; this isn't a dedicated server. Any kid can rent one for the price of a WoW account and thus a slew of terrible servers with kids running them without any experience of being an actual admin. This is why actual dedicated servers are so much better. They are run on good machines by those who have the skill and knowledge to run an actual server rather than a kid selecting nuketown from a Fisher Price looking server tool and knowing how to push the kick/ban buttons.

Valve has real dedicated servers. If you want to know the difference between dedicated servers and not, play Counter-Strike for a few minutes.

[Particle_Man]

i skipped MW2 because of that, guess i'll skip 3 as well

[Vrandas11]

There will be p2p matchmaking and dedicated for others.

But NO stopping power.

The Kotaku article was not a leak, more a "I THINK" story.

Or they are trying to locate the leak.....

Let's not jump to conclusions... yet.


http://www.mapmodnews.com


.

[icec0ld]

You forget that Bobby Kumquack is still in charge. He's stupid (and greedy) enough to try anything that will make them extra money; or save them some.

Then again even financially this is a stupid move; surely they'd make more money through a one-server-provider deal like we have right now with Black Ops?

I really do not get it. No really.

Some one explain how not including dedicated server tools for PC is going to cost them money?

Activision is not responsible for the atrocity that is MW2's server situation. That much is clear. If anything you can blame infinity ward, if you can even call it that seeing as they lost the entire studio to Respawn during the split. The only thing I could say would cause it is the skeleton crew that is manning Infintyward is clearly not willing or able to change an ounce of code and are simply re-releasing MW2. With any luck this will the beginning of the end of call of duty's vice grip strangle on innovation.

[chrisdglong]

Can you actually "connect" with anyone on IWnet? Last time I tried to play MW2, I was in the lobby for 15 minutes attempting to find a game...

[ClintDrums]

I really do not get it. No really.

Some one explain how not including dedicated server tools for PC is going to cost them money?

Activision is not responsible for the atrocity that is MW2's server situation.

Not supporting the PC community costs them money because they lose the majority of the PC players, many being the long-time fans that helped them become so popular years ago. Losing customers is never a good thing. It's more expensive to win over a new customer than it is to keep your current customers. COD on PC has already fallen greatly with the past three releases. It just keeps getting worse on the PC platform. This means, if they ever plan to re-establish their PC customers, that have to work much harder as to regain their confidence in what has been inferior in quality for so long.

Activision is directly responsible for the major decisions made with COD. They fund the game in its entirety and directly pay the developers; there's the developer and there's the publisher. The publisher is the boss, period. Activision, a few years ago, opted for development of all COD games to be concentrated on consoles as that is the cheaper option and reaches the majority of customers.

As a business decision, it was smart for the short term, but maintaining such an attitude over time will leave a company to lose customers as they realize they no longer care about quality, but quantity.

COD is dying rapidly on the PC platform and even losing a lot of momentum on consoles as they aren't progressing the series and continue charging more for less product.

[1Upp]

Definately wont put any cash towards matchmaking rubbish, sat for hours waiting to 'match' a game with MW2, What a pity

[EviLCorsaiR]

Fml, I hope they bring Stopping Power back. The guns in Black Ops are so weak without it, at least some of them are.

Hell no. Stopping power is the most unbalanced perk in the entire game. (Well...excluding commando/OMA, neither of which will be in MW3 either.) What's the point of even having other perks there when 95% of people use Stopping Power anyway?

I mean, you can even see this in other games. Look at Bad Company 2. Almost everyone uses Magnum ammo for the 1.25x bullet damage. There are some other useful tools in that slot, but no, everyone goes for the increased damage.

Guns in BO aren't weak. You can still kill in 3-4 shots with the majority of guns, which is hardly weak at all.

Maybe if they had both options?
It can't be that hard.

I mean - the thing i hate about dedis is how there are so many servers just doing 'nuke fast exp' and stuff like that.

And I did like the ease of matchmaking. I know it's not what many people here want - but it was very efficient and convenient.

I'd be all for a hybrid system. One thing though: IWNet was neither 'efficient' nor 'convenient'. It was the worst piece of ♥♥♥♥ matchmaking system I have ever seen. Bloody terrible.

If they're going to implement matchmaking (either standalone or as a hybrid) they could at least put some effort into it. I actually wouldn't mind matchmaking if it worked (IWNet doesn't).

Maybe they should just get Bungie to do it. Bungie know how to make good matchmaking systems, I've never had a problem with it in the Halo series.

Still, dedicated servers > matchmaking any day of the week. The advantages of dedi's (even on a single host provider like BO) far outweigh the advantages of matchmaking.

I really do not get it. No really.

Some one explain how not including dedicated server tools for PC is going to cost them money?

How not including dedis will cost them money? Two sources:

The first is obvious; lost sales. Unfortunately MW2 still sold well enough on PC for them to try and pull this off again.

Second is much bigger though; no doubt Activision/Treyarch makes quite a bit of extra money through their exclusive server provider deal with Gameservers. That's how these deals work; Gameservers gets a lot of extra income through the BO servers, but they have to pay a percentage of that back to Treyarch.

And coding dedicated servers on PC would cost them virtually nothing. Hell, people managed to code a functional dedicated server system for MW2 themselves, implemented in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Net! If people can manage this at home, surely it's something IW could easily add?

[icec0ld]

Activision is directly responsible for the major decisions made with COD. They fund the game in its entirety and directly pay the developers; there's the developer and there's the publisher. The publisher is the boss, period. Activision, a few years ago, opted for development of all COD games to be concentrated on consoles as that is the cheaper option and reaches the majority of customers.


Ah huh.

Blackops dedicated servers would like to have a word with you. Point here is that it is not activision axing dedicated server support. It's the developer.

The publisher can only push the product out the door. They get it sold. They get it advertised. They make the discs. They do not decide these sorts of things.

How not including dedis will cost them money? Two sources:

The first is obvious; lost sales. Unfortunately MW2 still sold well enough on PC for them to try and pull this off again.

Second is much bigger though; no doubt Activision/Treyarch makes quite a bit of extra money through their exclusive server provider deal with Gameservers. That's how these deals work; Gameservers gets a lot of extra income through the BO servers, but they have to pay a percentage of that back to Treyarch.

And coding dedicated servers on PC would cost them virtually nothing. Hell, people managed to code a functional dedicated server system for MW2 themselves, implemented in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Net! If people can manage this at home, surely it's something IW could easily add?

I was pointing out that somehow no dedi support = Money saved. It makes no sense for Activision to have a say in this. No, this firmly and clearly lies in the developers lap as Blackops has demonstrated.

[nexus1g]

I was pointing out that somehow no dedi support = Money saved. It makes no sense for Activision to have a say in this. No, this firmly and clearly lies in the developers lap as Blackops has demonstrated.

Activision's writing the checks. They have a say in anything they want to have a say in.

[icec0ld]

Activision's writing the checks. They have a say in anything they want to have a say in.

Then explain Black ops.

[nexus1g]

Then explain Black ops.

So Treyarch finished the dedicated server app in time for release. Doesn't mean anything.

[icec0ld]

So Treyarch finished the dedicated server app in time for release. Doesn't mean anything.

No. It proves that the Developer clearly had a say in what goes in the game. Tyarch wanted Dedicated servers. Activision is not ♥♥♥♥ blocking Dedicated servers as you are implying.

[nexus1g]

No. It proves that the Developer clearly had a say in what goes in the game. Tyarch wanted Dedicated servers. Activision is not ♥♥♥♥ blocking Dedicated servers as you are implying.

No, what I'm saying is that Activision sets the deadline. Whatever's not finished by the deadline is not included. It's going out the door ready or not.

[icec0ld]

No, what I'm saying is that Activision sets the deadline. Whatever's not finished by the deadline is not included. It's going out the door ready or not.

I'd imagine something like Dedicated server support or P2p hosting is something you'd set early on in the development of the multiplayer, seeing as that gets coded into the game and the game is very reliant on this sort of coding being present to work, it would be akin to shipping without the multiplayer.

No, the Developer made this decision very early so they obviously know. It would foolish to suggest otherwise. If they didn't I would hesitate to even call them Developers based on the sheer incompetence in not having figured this out less than 4 months from launch day.

[nexus1g]

I'd imagine something like Dedicated server support or P2p hosting is something you'd set early on in the development of the multiplayer, seeing as that gets coded into the game and the game is very reliant on this sort of coding being present to work, it would be akin to shipping without the multiplayer.

No, the Developer made this decision very early so they obviously know. It would foolish to suggest otherwise. If they didn't I would hesitate to even call them Developers based on the sheer incompetence in not having figured this out less than 4 months from launch day.

You're awful sure of yourself. I'm giving a plausible alternative scenario, but you seem to believe that what you're saying is 100% correct.

I say it's more likely that they had the dedicated server app on the "nice things to add" list and had the "p2p hosting" on their core list. Since the game's programmed for consoles then ported to PC, I say it's most likely they just ran out of time to code a dedi server app.

[Phrenzy]

Can you actually "connect" with anyone on IWnet? Last time I tried to play MW2, I was in the lobby for 15 minutes attempting to find a game...


I play everyday. Wait no more than 30secs.......

[nexus1g]

I play everyday. Wait no more than 30secs.......

You're lucky then, because my experience just the other day was more like the other guy's. I ended up waiting 5 minutes and not finding any games or matches. My router's DMZ'd to my box.

Not to mention when I do find a game, I have 1-3 bars out of 10 (170+ ping).

[JIgsawX]

This is still unofficial info. And I damn well hope it's wrong. I hope Activision/IW/Sledgehammer aren't stupid enough to try that again.

And if it's true, there's no way in hell that I'm getting it. I'll pirate it for the SP at most.
As long as people are still Burger Eating stupid to buy that Abortion they will do what they want.

[-CK-LynX]

2 hours ago Bowling said, "There is blatantly false information in that article. I encourage you to reserve judgement until you have facts."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/76027838402281472

2 hours ago he said, "We have not announced whether Dedicated Servers are or are not in #MW3."

http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/75975813941563392

l0ol same old same old, trying to trick ppl to buy again and they still wont have dedis, why else should they hold back that info..

[smokes]

I'm expecting same thing that happened with MW2 ->

Show gameplay, create hype, let not-so-smart people preorder it, then a few weeks before release: 'OH BTW; PC will feature IWNET 2.0 aswell as consoles. dedis are bad mmkay. trollface.'

I mean why wouldn't they confirm dedis for PC if there were any. It's a huge thing for players and would probably even secure them more preorders.
Theres no point in holding the confirmation back - except of course, there won't be any dedis, for any system.

[Anheuser6]

lol Activision has all the say in what the devs do for this game....as far as the major decisions (they own the game it is theirs to do with as they see fit) ....IWNet/dedicated for example....and actually the dedi for treyarch is not really a hard decision...they did not make IWNet..so it would only make sense for them to stick with dedi just like W@W....

i would also venture to say it was Activision that set up the Gameserver exclusive.....

now it is IW's turn (what is left of them)......so i would not be surprised to see IWNet try and make a comeback.....but who really knows what the MP will bring.....402 is an idiot....he gets paid to dance around things....