mw3 no dedicated servers PAH!

[xX_NOVAK_Xx]

im serious when i think that this will be the worst selling call of duty yet... well apart from all the cod fanboys

[Jcpsr]

Another COD I wont buy. 60$ that Activision wont get !

[Yeowj]

There are actually a fair few that don't mind and/or dislike dedicated servers in games. It acts as a barrier to joining a game, and in the case of games with host implemented rules, alienates some users.

Yes the vocal minority will complain about lack of dedicated server support but still purchase the game. Yes a further minority will actually stay true to their word. All I am sure of is that Infinity Ward has the right idea as to their audience, as much as I dislike the dairy farm that is Activision.

If dedicated servers are the be all and end all of online fps gaming, why is it that mw2 is still consistantly played that black ops online? Even if the gameplay of MW2 is superior, in protest you would think that a significant number would be playing black ops instead in support of dedicated servers.

My personal conclusion is that dedicated servers on a game like MW2 panders towards those that take gaming seriously (clans etc). You have to understand that MW3 isn't targeting players like you. They are going after the casual masses who want to pick up a game and play. And the more people get into the technicalities of why IW Net is not as good as dedicated servers, you actually weaken your argument when the vast majority of games hold a good connection, and a significant proportion of active players are happy.

To believe otherwise means your sense of the world is that there are a large amount of unhappy people playing a game they don't like, which just doesn't make much sense.

Rant over.

[ZtrydR]

Personally I like the lobby system used in MW2. It makes it easier to join games and play with friends at least in my opinion. Plus I hate dedicated servers that restrict weapons and have rules to limit the game. I’d rather play the game to its full intent than have rules that restrict me to a certain type of game play strategy.

In black ops for example I seem to find a lot of hardcore crouch only servers. I don’t see the point in crouch only server as it makes a game that is supposed to be fast pace slow and boring at times. I understand that people would like COD to be slower paced but that just isn’t how the game was made to be played. I wouldn’t mind the crouch only servers if it wasn’t the only servers that showed up in my server browser.

[aboveyou]

There are actually a fair few that don't mind and/or dislike dedicated servers in games. It acts as a barrier to joining a game, and in the case of games with host implemented rules, alienates some users.

Yes the vocal minority will complain about lack of dedicated server support but still purchase the game. Yes a further minority will actually stay true to their word. All I am sure of is that Infinity Ward has the right idea as to their audience, as much as I dislike the dairy farm that is Activision.

If dedicated servers are the be all and end all of online fps gaming, why is it that mw2 is still consistantly played that black ops online? Even if the gameplay of MW2 is superior, in protest you would think that a significant number would be playing black ops instead in support of dedicated servers.

My personal conclusion is that dedicated servers on a game like MW2 panders towards those that take gaming seriously (clans etc). You have to understand that MW3 isn't targeting players like you. They are going after the casual masses who want to pick up a game and play. And the more people get into the technicalities of why IW Net is not as good as dedicated servers, you actually weaken your argument when the vast majority of games hold a good connection, and a significant proportion of active players are happy.

To believe otherwise means your sense of the world is that there are a large amount of unhappy people playing a game they don't like, which just doesn't make much sense.

Rant over.

QFT. Exactly correct, great post. Vocal minority is pathetic for the most part, when they get ♥♥♥♥ on, they just ban the people to shut them up, or talk crap, etc - they are pathetic. Main audience is nowhere near a forum.

[SpunkyKuma]

If dedicated servers are the be all and end all of online fps gaming, why is it that mw2 is still consistantly played that black ops online? Even if the gameplay of MW2 is superior, in protest you would think that a significant number would be playing black ops instead in support of dedicated servers.


Not by that much, but many people has issues running Black Ops on their PC (I did for a while) and MW2 runs flawlessly on most PCs so people tend to go back to what works despite the crappy IWnet. The numbers has been dropping rapidly for Black Ops on each patch release. I can't bear being on IWnet with waiting 10+ minutes to get into a lobby and having only 2 bars (or 150-300 ping) and unable to get kills due to lag, why bother? And most hosts I managed to join were hacked hosts.

Also 402 responded about the "no dedicated" denying any truth to it however he didn't say there will be dedicated servers either, I think he's under NDA.

[aboveyou]

welp, black ops is free for the weekend. Downloading now. So I can destroy some "mw2 is too hard" (though that's never what they say) people and also be reminded why matchmaking is 100 times better* than dedicated servers

*(for games which do not support mods anyway)

[Archer 250]

There are actually a fair few that don't mind and/or dislike dedicated servers in games. It acts as a barrier to joining a game, and in the case of games with host implemented rules, alienates some users.

Yes the vocal minority will complain about lack of dedicated server support but still purchase the game. Yes a further minority will actually stay true to their word. All I am sure of is that Infinity Ward has the right idea as to their audience, as much as I dislike the dairy farm that is Activision.

If dedicated servers are the be all and end all of online fps gaming, why is it that mw2 is still consistantly played that black ops online? Even if the gameplay of MW2 is superior, in protest you would think that a significant number would be playing black ops instead in support of dedicated servers.

My personal conclusion is that dedicated servers on a game like MW2 panders towards those that take gaming seriously (clans etc). You have to understand that MW3 isn't targeting players like you. They are going after the casual masses who want to pick up a game and play. And the more people get into the technicalities of why IW Net is not as good as dedicated servers, you actually weaken your argument when the vast majority of games hold a good connection, and a significant proportion of active players are happy.

To believe otherwise means your sense of the world is that there are a large amount of unhappy people playing a game they don't like, which just doesn't make much sense.

Rant over.

I've never seen a message as awesome.

[kurnuttaja]

Personally I like the lobby system used in MW2. It makes it easier to join games and play with friends at least in my opinion. Plus I hate dedicated servers that restrict weapons and have rules to limit the game. I’d rather play the game to its full intent than have rules that restrict me to a certain type of game play strategy.

In black ops for example I seem to find a lot of hardcore crouch only servers. I don’t see the point in crouch only server as it makes a game that is supposed to be fast pace slow and boring at times. I understand that people would like COD to be slower paced but that just isn’t how the game was made to be played. I wouldn’t mind the crouch only servers if it wasn’t the only servers that showed up in my server browser.

Yep, dedicated servers can have their own rules BUT you can choose what maps you want to play, not get into hacked hosts all the time unlocking everything, no lag and more benefits I dont even bother to list. I personally would actually like a no noobtube server, no claymore server etc.

The thing you said about crouch servers, I have never encountered one in BO (during the free weekend when I played). If you only see HC crouch servers in the browser theres something wrong in your end, not in the browser (check filters maybe).

[ZtrydR]

Yep, dedicated servers can have their own rules BUT you can choose what maps you want to play, not get into hacked hosts all the time unlocking everything, no lag and more benefits I dont even bother to list. I personally would actually like a no noobtube server, no claymore server etc.

The thing you said about crouch servers, I have never encountered one in BO (during the free weekend when I played). If you only see HC crouch servers in the browser theres something wrong in your end, not in the browser (check filters maybe).

I do find servers that are not crouch only but most of them are not in my general area so I won’t receive the best pings.

I don’t mind playing random maps compared to have controlled maps I like a little variety :p. I don’t know if it’s just me but my server browser in BO has a majority of the servers as Nuke only >_>.

I’ve been in a hacked server a few times but if you really wanted to you can reset your rank and start over, or revert back to a rank before you entered the hacked server. Lag for me is rarely a problem unless I’m playing late at night when a majority of the players in the US are sleeping.

The only solution I can think of to make everyone happy is implementing both systems. You can have a lobby system that will put you into dedicated servers run by IW/activision that is vanilla with no mods or rules to go by and then have a separate server browser which will allow people to join whatever server they wished.

[WhiteTigerShiro]

It acts as a barrier to joining a game, and in the case of games with host implemented rules, alienates some users.I guess this goes to show your ignorance on the subject matter. Yes, older dedicated server-based games (such as TF2, CS:S, and other Source-based games) use a clunky server browser that can make it difficult to find a decent game. However, there are other games such as Left 4 Dead which uses dedicated servers with a system pretty much exactly like MW2. So while you might have a point on the older style of dedicated server browsing, there are newer and better systems out there.

All I am sure of is that Infinity Ward has the right idea as to their audience, as much as I dislike the dairy farm that is Activision.Wrong again. No no, not on the Activision part, that was actually mostly right on the money. But the decision to stick with P2P-based gaming has nothing to do with knowing their audience as you claim to think. It's purely about laziness and not wanting to put any effort into the PC version beyond what they can port-over from the 360 version. Nothing more, nothing less.

If dedicated servers are the be all and end all of online fps gaming, why is it that mw2 is still consistantly played that black ops online? Even if the gameplay of MW2 is superior, in protest you would think that a significant number would be playing black ops instead in support of dedicated servers.I will not pretend to know why people mostly abandoned a game I've never played, but since even the console crowd abandoned Black Ops for the most part, your point doesn't hold the most water.

My personal conclusion is that dedicated servers on a game like MW2 panders towards those that take gaming seriously (clans etc).You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but dedicated servers have nothing to do with hardcore vs casual gameplay. Heck, just go back to my Left 4 Dead example. That game uses dedicated servers, and it's mostly a casual game (certainly more casual than MW2).

Personally I like the lobby system used in MW2. It makes it easier to join games and play with friends at least in my opinion.Refer back to my Left 4 Dead example. Pretty much the only difference in the type of lobby is that you have to manually click "Start Game" instead of it being automated, but that's purely upto the developers, not the server type.

Plus I hate dedicated servers that restrict weapons and have rules to limit the game. I’d rather play the game to its full intent than have rules that restrict me to a certain type of game play strategy.As much as I hear people complain about these kinds of things, I'm honestly hard-pressed to find servers that actually do this. I don't doubt that they're out there, I'm just saying that they can't possibly be SO common that they're a detriment. The only time I've seen commonplace restrictions is with the Riot Shield in CS:S where pretty much the entire community thinks it's overpowered (and maybe it is).

[ZtrydR]

Perhaps I’m just unlucky and end up on the servers that restrict weapons and whatnot T_T.

[kurnuttaja]

In every game with dedicated servers + browser I have a list of favorites where are the servers I always play on. For example if MW2 had dedicated servers I would have at least one good standard server (all maps), one HC server (all maps) and one 24/7 Trailer Park server in favorites. :D

[OmegaXtreme420]

Would be cool if it was done like L4D with official dedicated servers but activision is hurting on money so they don't wanna spend more than they have to

[enacker]

I am a total idiot, i purchased this game without checking for DEDICATED SERVERS. I did the same two cods ago, now im just pissed that i spent 60 on a game that i simply will not play.

Stupid for making the game without dedicated support again.

[Vinto]

There are dedicated servers for MW3 though...

Theres no ranking up & unlocking but theres still dedi's and the P2P is alot better than MW2.

[Phrenzy]

and the dedis are very active too.... Tons of servers with under 40 ping and full most of the time...

[OugaBooga]

I am a total idiot, i purchased this game without checking for DEDICATED SERVERS. I did the same two cods ago, now im just jarateed that i spent 60 on a game that i simply will not play.

Stupid for making the game without dedicated support again.

What planet is charging the outlandish $60 price? you posted today & it's $15 on steam sale & DLC is 7:50.

[GTFO.al]

What planet is charging the outlandish $60 price? you posted today & it's $15 on steam sale & DLC is 7:50.

Pretty sure he's talking about MW3...which does have dedicated servers.

If he bought MW2, this late, he needs a slap :D

[YOTRnc]

and the dedis are very active too.... Tons of servers with under 40 ping and full most of the time...

Love the sarcasm.