Dungeon Siege 3 is the definition of consolitis

[Shiftlock]

Dungeon Siege 3 is the new definition of consolitis.

I played the demo last night.

Its the worst ♥♥♥♥ing consolish crap i've probably ever seen:

- Character bios have 5 lines of text viewable at once and the rest of the UI/inventory/character screen is all similarly garbage.

- UI and HUD that takes up a huge part of the screen

- In-game you either keyboard turn or you have to hold alt to turn with your mouse which still sucks anyway

- In-game HUD is not clickable- infact nothing in game is clickable you have to walk up to anything and press E. You wanna loot an enemy? You have to manually walk up and press E. Open a door? Same thing. No click-and-auto-move-to-target here.

- All left click does is attack- thats it. Right clicking you'd think would be to change camera view but no all right click does is make you go forward. You wonder why they even gave you a mouse cursor to begin with.

- mouse wheel in any direction just alternates between 2 zoom views. Even if its the same direction of the mouse scroll, eg. scroll back zooms back OR forward, the mouse scroll is just a toggle.



This is an unmitigated disaster of a port. Its a straight console to PC port and i'm glad I don't give a damn about DS series anyway (Just played DS 1 back in the day, it was ok).

Don't buy this and reward developers for garbage like this.

Even though I personally didn't care for DS3 to begin withh, DS was an iconic PC game for its time and its yet another in a long list of IPs ruined for pacifier-sucking/idiot frat console babies.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS

[LauZaIM]

I came to the forums just to see if someone created a thread on this because almost as soon as I started browsing the menu and playing the game I thought "this looks like it was designed for a console". Even the textures are characteristically bad.

[Shiftlock]

Its garbage all around. The UI makes Witcher 2's "designed for console" UI look like it was hand-tweaked for computer monitors.

[Wicked Slammy]

LMFAO, just played the demo and thought THE EXACT SAME THING!! Could have been alright but felt very linear, cheap and dumbed down big time!

Consolitis - A PC Gaming Disease

clumsy and frustrating user interfaces
super-large fonts (used to be seen on televisions from afar)
extremely poor visual quality, characterized by low texture resolutions, low polygon counts by current generation standards, etc.
poor control not optimized for the keyboard/mouse control scheme
horrible handling of saving games, or limited save model
lack of options (resolutions, audio settings, graphic quality, etc.)
the inability to remap keys to certain actions
platform-style gameplay suited for gamepads
simplified game mechanics
unoptimized performance not taking advantage of the latest PC technologies
no support for mods, and no editors for customization

[Weaver]

My favorite part is the menu "loading" circle that appears before every screen, despite the fact it doesn't need to load as there is nothing to read. Why not just remove it?

[brotrrwinner]

Its garbage all around. The UI makes Witcher 2's "designed for console" UI look like it was hand-tweaked for computer monitors.

I agree and the Witcher 2 UI was pretty bad (but the game is great, too bad they had to go and suck the console player's **** with the interface)

[sesnut]

i miss games like fable 1 and sw: kotr 1 + 2 for the pc

:(

[Azzer007]

Have to agree, I downloaded the demo quite excitedly (I really enjoyed DS 2)... I think I survived 15-20 minutes before quitting and deleting it, and cancelling my pre-order.

It's pure console in every single aspect. And just like the OP, I couldn't believe the hideous simplicity of the mouse controls, the "E is for [E]verything" control, the dated look, the horrible linearness (are they designed to be linear because consoles can't load too much in to memory at once, so sandbox games are hard to work on a console? I have no idea... but console games always feel very linear and scripted).

A real shame. Yet another series ruined for me, never to be returned to :(

[Darkspawn]

Yes, this is a disaster.. i agree and it makes me sad.. I really loved the DS series.. But this? This in FUBAR!

All i hope is that Ob♥♥♥♥ian and Senix read all this now, all these posts.. and cry..

[Scorpiuscat]

Have to agree with the OP and the fact that the control scheme is the suckiest piece of crap I have ever seen as well.

[bushwhacker2k]

i miss games like fable 1 and sw: kotr 1 + 2 for the pc

:(

It's funny because most people who have played the games and then played Obsidian's sequels to the games hate Obsidian. Kotor 1 was great, Kotor 2 was good, but not as good as the first.

It's probably their best work, as most of their other sequels are bug-ridden or simply inferior to their predecessor. I have to admit New Vegas did do a few things more interestingly, but it's still lacking in many areas.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but perhaps THIS is the reason most companies avoid demos, because then we won't suspect that paying for their game isn't worth it, we'll KNOW.

[DJ Cryotek]

I agree, this game is a pile of crap. It's like Zelda for babies. DS is supposed to be complicated, and about controlling a PARTY OF CHARACTERS, not one person.

[Cheezdue]

Here goes my list of complaints.

-The damn game is too linear.
-The UI is butt awful and has no reason for the inventory to load. DS 1 was easily accessible by the simple push of a button and required no loading time.
-No clicking to pick up loot.
-The small amount of text per line.
-Playing at a high resolution while feeling it was a 800x600 resolution.
-Dialouge is awful. AWFUL
-With the settings set to high, it didn't very eye-popping.
-Camera controls are awful.

...and theres more to list but I just don't feel like it anymore. DS 1 is better than this. :)

EDIT:
But I did love how the game changed my keyboard's color depending on my health bar. :3

[Shiftlock]

Hey guys check this crap out, this was back in March 3rd 2011:

"Dungeon Siege III to 'work well' on both PC and console"

http://www.destructoid.com/dungeon-siege-iii-to-work-well-on-both-pc-and-console-195453.phtml

"Davis also addressed the typical PC gamer concern that controls would be universally "dumbed down" for the console gamers to cope. "I think PC gamers have completely valid concerns," he stressed. "Control-wise, we developed a pretty slick system to make one of the most important pieces of the PC gamer's arsenal, hotkeys, accessible and fun on the PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. By using the bumpers and triggers to change stances and empower abilities, our Lead Designer, Nathaniel Chapman, created the versatility of hotkeys on console controllers."

Way to go guys, lie through your teeth but as long as the consolekids are satisfied right? At least they gave us a demo.

[Shiftlock]

bump for justice

[Robbot1c]

I loved DS I, and really enjoyed it. Not so much with DS II.

Why is *THIS* third... something even called a Dungeon Siege? I don't actually see anything familiar except for the name. And reused sounds from the first game.

Do not buy this console crap! It is really bad. Even Dragon Age II seems good compared to this.

[Rumtruffle]

consoles are glorified pc's you know.

you wouldnt say, this game is crap because x1800 gpus and triple core cpus exist would you?

if someone came into this forum and said the game doesnt run on their triple core with a x1800 would you seriously turn around and say ' its people like you that have made the game a disaster that it is' ? nope didnt think so.

consoles are an excuse for people.

its like a mother blaming her sons friends for leading him astray rather than identifying that her son is a little ♥♥♥♥ to start with.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

consoles are glorified pc's you know.

you wouldnt say, this game is crap because x1800 gpus and triple core cpus exist would you?

if someone came into this forum and said the game doesnt run on their triple core with a x1800 would you seriously turn around and say ' its people like you that have made the game a disaster that it is' ? nope didnt think so.

consoles are an excuse for people.

its like a mother blaming her sons friends for leading him astray rather than identifying that her son is a little ♥♥♥♥ to start with.

Poor strawman is poor. All DS3 had to do to get my pre-order back on track is fix the control matrix. I'd grumble about the rest, but at least that would make the game worth playing. The control matrix is a clear console direct port.

[n3ko]

I agree with OP. Deleted demo after 13 minutes of "playing" it. Controls and camera are simply unbearable.

[dubserpent]

Thanks for the Demo.

I'm no longer interested in the Dungeon Siege III game or the series. I've removed it from my "to get" list.

VERY VERY Console-ish. When will you developers/publishers learn that we don't like having our hands held?

[jimkirk2]

its no longer gas powered games otehrwise it would have been buuilt for pc's i agree thats its a through and through console game dragged over for pc its sort of like witcher 2

[xdrive82]

At this point, almost all games are made for consoles, and some of them are converted to pc, some are more adjusted for pc controls, and some keep the console ui. DS3 seems to be a game that keeps the ui from consoles, but i can survive that, i am just happy if the games comes to pc at all.

If they were forced to put a lot of time developing the pc version i think many companies wouldn't even bother with pc, and a console would be must to keep gaming.

I would love to see pc gaming become what it once were, but right now im just happy if a game gets ported, like ds3. Ive already preordered the game, and when i played the demo, i just plugged in my xbox 360 controller and played it like it was supposed to be played.

I can understand though why people who were fans of the old games are upset, because this could just as well been another game serie.

[slyfox86]

At this point, almost all games are made for consoles, and some of them are converted to pc, some are more adjusted for pc controls, and some keep the console ui. DS3 seems to be a game that keeps the ui from consoles, but i can survive that, i am just happy if the games comes to pc at all.

If they were forced to put a lot of time developing the pc version i think many companies wouldn't even bother with pc, and a console would be must to keep gaming.

I would love to see pc gaming become what it once were, but right now im just happy if a game gets ported, like ds3. Ive already preordered the game, and when i played the demo, i just plugged in my xbox 360 controller and played it like it was supposed to be played.

I can understand though why people who were fans of the old games are upset, because this could just as well been another game serie.

The more people think like this, the more companies will do lazy ports; don't buy something if its not good.

[xdrive82]

If people dont buy games on pc, they will simply stop doing games for the pc, just look at e3, its all about consoles, we should be happy if they release it to pc at all. Not buying the games simply reduces the amount of games released at all.

I would love to get good games on pc, but atm i think "beggars cant be choosers" are a term for pc gaming.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

If people dont buy games on pc, they will simply stop doing games for the pc, just look at e3, its all about consoles, we should be happy if they release it to pc at all. Not buying the games simply reduces the amount of games released at all.

No, it just means that Indie devs will get my money instead.

It may eventually mean that I just go back to reading books for edutainment or use Hulu/Netflix more, but the console just doesn't do it for me. I bought a used PS2 and tried playing the Metal Gear series. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that series. I like watching people play it, though, not actually playing it myself. I just dislike the control matrix.

[slyfox86]

If people dont buy games on pc, they will simply stop doing games for the pc, just look at e3, its all about consoles, we should be happy if they release it to pc at all. Not buying the games simply reduces the amount of games released at all.

I would love to get good games on pc, but atm i think "beggars cant be choosers" are a term for pc gaming.

Lots of good pc games, in the works/ made. Theres always going to be a market, buying bad games promotes bad behavior on the part of the devs.

Why waste money..gaming pc's aren't cheap/ games aren't that cheap either. Demand satisfactory products; "the customer is always right", youre not a beggar; YOURE PAYING NOT THEM.

[HorrorScope]

PC Gaming is doing better then ever revenue wise, it's narrow gamescapes that some people have which can make it seem like the walls are closing in. Consoles are now being threatened by mobile devices, should they run for the hills?

Sure many games are for many platforms. But there are still plenty of PC only games, this game not being one of them. For this genre, PC's dominate it, this game not being one of them. This genre has refined and mastered proper control mechanics for the pc, this game not being one of them. This argument is not about console vs pc. It's just a design and marketing mistake which is PC DS3.

[HorrorScope]

No, it just means that Indie devs will get my money instead.

It may eventually mean that I just go back to reading books

But we won't have to, as you mentioned Indie games will just get our money and god bless'm! Some real creativity and games not produced under a corporate bean-counter that probably hates games personally. Best thing to happen in years.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

But we won't have to, as you mentioned Indie games will just get our money and god bless'm! Some real creativity and games not produced under a corporate bean-counter that probably hates games personally. Best thing to happen in years.

True, and I agree. I was just stating my personal worst case scenario.

[Dalagad]

Seriously, not allowing customizable hotkeys is equivalent to telling PC owners "Don't bother."

If we wanted a cheap, "play it for two weeks and trade it in" console game, we'd be console gamers.

I love the Dungeon Siege pc series. And if this actually qualified as one of them I'd play it. Sad to have been mislead.

[TBO_Stephen]

This game is just so epic fail I can't even justify ranting about it. It's going to be the nail in the coffin for the Dungeon Siege series (of which I'm a huge fan...)

[bushwhacker2k]

The more people think like this, the more companies will do lazy ports; don't buy something if its not good.

This. As long as the money is rolling into their pockets they aren't gonna think anything's wrong.

[Graeystone]

If people dont buy games on pc, they will simply stop doing games for the pc, just look at e3, its all about consoles, we should be happy if they release it to pc at all. Not buying the games simply reduces the amount of games released at all.

I would love to get good games on pc, but atm i think "beggars cant be choosers" are a term for pc gaming.
Then there is the reverse - When a game is PC only, the console fan-girls will start whining about it not being on a console.(X-Box people are really bad with this)
Should have had Torchlight 2 by now but Runic just had to do Torchlight for X-Box. . .

Then there is my least favorite kind of gamer - the kind who has a console(s) AND a high end PC then whine and complain when a game is on one but not the other. Except for backup purposes, I see no reason to get the same game for both. . .:mad:

[Amwryn]

Agree with OP.

and, adding to the list,

-Mouse acceleration on the camera movement, a sure sign that playtesting was done on, and centered around consoles with little or no optimization for PC.

[falcon8204]

yup, i agree with the OP on all counts. i've never played the DS series before, so i was looking forward to a new hack-and-slash type game. sadly, the demo has completely removed my want for DS3.

the UI alone made my decision for me (the aforementoned points don't need to be stated again). i hope the devs will read some of these comments and build better experiences for PC gamers with their next games.


RE: indie devs -- see a game called Hawken if you haven't already.

[slyfox86]

yup, i agree with the OP on all counts. i've never played the DS series before, so i was looking forward to a new hack-and-slash type game. sadly, the demo has completely removed my want for DS3.

the UI alone made my decision for me (the aforementoned points don't need to be stated again). i hope the devs will read some of these comments and build better experiences for PC gamers with their next games.


RE: indie devs -- see a game called Hawken if you haven't already.

That game looks pretty sweet, thanks for pointing it out :)

Bit concerned by the fact that it says in the faq that they want it to be cross platform tho.

[thematrix606]

I just wanted to post to agree with the OP as well, this is console CRAP, CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP. I had it on my wishlist for a bit as well -.-' Oh well... will have to wait for D3 and/or SWTOR... oh and perhaps Torchilight 2.

[AxellSlade]

Consolitis? Bad controls?
People are reporting it plays fine with an X360 controller!
Wait... There's something wrong in those phrases up there, but I can't quite get it.

[Keeshin]

Hey guys check this crap out, this was back in March 3rd 2011:

"Dungeon Siege III to 'work well' on both PC and console"

http://www.destructoid.com/dungeon-siege-iii-to-work-well-on-both-pc-and-console-195453.phtml

"Davis also addressed the typical PC gamer concern that controls would be universally "dumbed down" for the console gamers to cope. "I think PC gamers have completely valid concerns," he stressed. "Control-wise, we developed a pretty slick system to make one of the most important pieces of the PC gamer's arsenal, hotkeys, accessible and fun on the PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. By using the bumpers and triggers to change stances and empower abilities, our Lead Designer, Nathaniel Chapman, created the versatility of hotkeys on console controllers."

Way to go guys, lie through your teeth but as long as the consolekids are satisfied right? At least they gave us a demo.

Wow. Just... oh my god wow. :eek: :o I had to read that paragraph twice because it is so out of touch with the reality of the game.

Also, did you find the zoom feature in the game? It's hilarious. If you watch the top of the screen you notice that the exact same area is visible. The view distance doesn't go out or in, the camera just zooms in and tilts slightly in order to maintain the exact same point of view either way. Yes, they were THAT concerned about performance on the console.

I must have spent the first 10 - 15 minutes randomly flicking the camera in and out. The amount of view space is atrociously tiny, and then I find the "zoom". :rolleyes:

Not only is this a churned out console game, but they apparently made it with the technical limitations of the original XBox in mind.

[Mr Miyagi]

Thanks for the warning, I'll be passing on this.

[Serrasalmus]

Im very easy going....loved PC games since magic carpet etc.

Loved dungeon siege 1 & 2 - looking forward to this game so much.

Of course, this is a demo, and we have not seen so much of the game...but

I have to agree....the controls are wet and the view is awful.

I would still rather play Titan Quest (the best game in the genre in my opinion and a steal on steam) - than this....by a MILE.
I will be holding on to my game money and using it elsewhere this month....this Demo just didnt help the company, but it certainly helped me...this is pants.

[Thecodexnecro]

If we wanted a cheap, "play it for two weeks and trade it in" console game, we'd be console gamers.

Quoted for Truth.

This is exactly my thoughts, and as a new player looking into playing the Dungeon Siege series, I'm disappointed to be reading these threads of consolisation. It looks a really cool game.

Oh well. Back to Terraria. :)

[Queeg500]

"Davis also addressed the typical PC gamer concern that controls would be universally "dumbed down" for the console gamers to cope. "I think PC gamers have completely valid concerns," he stressed.
Indeed we do, indeed we do..

[DirtyHarry50]

The controls and limited camera views kill this for me sadly, more than anything else. Having to hit number keys and shift number keys with my left hand to use abilities while using the mouse with my right ain't my idea of fun gameplay. Maybe this is fun with an X-Box 360 gamepad but for now I don't have one. I'm still using an old Logitech dual action analog gamepad which so far works for the racers I own.

Maybe if I get a 360 controller at some point I might be interested in this especially since by that time it'll probably be selling for 20 bucks.

It's too bad they didn't implement a proper PC control scheme and camera control. This could have been a decent PC release if they had. Anyway, it's coming off my wishlist. :-(

[downset]

holy ♥♥♥♥ obdesian what a mess, i can't believe how they ruined this series:

- first the pre-order bonus with co-op lan and online stripped out
- now this lazy console port that doesn't control or look right on PC, its infuriating after reading the quoted interview.

game is unplayable on pc, its awful, i deleted the demo after 15min

[telefunken]

to be honest i cant say i'm suprised...

Unfortunately Obsidian happen to fall into the category of my most disliked developer...sure there are other companies that have made worse games than this, but the unfortunate thing is that this studio is responsible for the following atrocities.

1: Knights of the Old Republic 2
2: Neverwinter Nights 2

both of these nowhere near as good as the originals... though NWN2's story wasn't too bad, it was still a stupidly buggy and disappointing affair.

with Dungeon siege 3...i'm actually not too sure why its the 3rd iteration of the series....i mean... pre-made characters, set classes....
the whole thing that made Dungeon Siege different from the likes of other ARPGs etc (apart from the whole party based thing) was you could make your character then pick up a sword or spell and start going to town, and if you used the one thing enough you would become more proficient in its use....

this is more like.....
Dungeon Siege: Tales of Ehb
a console ported RPG set in the world DS1 & DS2

im very thankful for the demo cause it confirmed my fears and i wont have to wast my cash

[Shagsbeard]

PC gaming died a few years back and we're still picking at it's corpse looking for a tid-bit of flesh that's still edible. Picking is getting pretty slim.

[Thecodexnecro]

PC gaming died a few years back and we're still picking at it's corpse looking for a tid-bit of flesh that's still edible. Picking is getting pretty slim.

Then we have all the fresh meat coming along our way, ready to be lynched, cooked and eaten. That meat being Battlefield 3 and all the indie games which are amazing.

[Serrasalmus]

A little off topic...but PC gaming is nothing like dead...

We have had some great games and some superb ones on the way...


With stuff like Rage, (ID will stay true to PC) and From Dust....Skyrim and a host of others....we aint dead yet....

Its still a billion dollar industry....

[Zzinged]

Plus I doubt AMD or Nvndia would let PC gaming die as PC gamers are a pretty big chunk of their customers, I'd imagine.

[FaintDeftone]

I was looking forward to this game. I really liked the previous DS games. I didn't even finish the demo. I usually do not complain about console-ized PC ports but this game is terribly guilty of it in the worst ways possible. Having to pick up fallen items and interacting with objects by hitting the E key totally ruined things for me. After playing Dungeon Siege 2, Diablo 2, and Torchlight, I cannot stand how this game controls.

Pass. What a shame.

[Thecodexnecro]

Plus I doubt Intel or nVidia would let PC gaming die as PC gamers are a pretty big chunk of their customers, I'd imagine.

This ^^
:)

[Shagsbeard]

You can hold up shiny examples of games that are coming out, but you have to admit, we're waiting for games. I used to by 20+ games each year, and now it's more like two or three. The games being made are of lower quality, since so much of the developer's resources are being spent on PR rather than game development.

[Thecodexnecro]

You can hold up shiny examples of games that are coming out, but you have to admit, we're waiting for games. I used to by 20+ games each year, and now it's more like two or three. The games being made are of lower quality, since so much of the developer's resources are being spent on PR rather than game development.

I won't disagree with you about the games being of lower quality, because it's mostly true. But I am still purchasing around that 20+ game mark per year, if not more! And I play exclusively on the PC.

[Askjosh]

well now i know what not to spend my money on

[Kaliss]

And this thread is the definition of PC elitism.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

You can hold up shiny examples of games that are coming out, but you have to admit, we're waiting for games. I used to by 20+ games each year, and now it's more like two or three. The games being made are of lower quality, since so much of the developer's resources are being spent on PR rather than game development.

This. I remember buying stacks of games from the shareware magazines (remember those?) based on amazing demos. They came out fast and furious and I bought a massive number of old titles.

Now on my docket for future games, I have:

Deus Ex 3 (no preorder)
Mass Effect 3 (no preorder)
The Old Republic (no preorder)

Not a very large lineup.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

And this thread is the definition of PC elitist.

If PC elitist is trusting a developer to follow through on making basic control matrices for a PC after they did so for 2 games and promised in a press release to do so for a third, then yes, I'm a PC elitist.

[Kaliss]

This. I remember buying stacks of games from the shareware magazines (remember those?) based on amazing demos. They came out fast and furious and I bought a massive number of old titles.

Now on my docket for future games, I have:

Deus Ex 3 (no preorder)
Mass Effect 3 (no preorder)
The Old Republic (no preorder)

Not a very large lineup.

No Batman: Arkham City or Skyrim?

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

No Batman: Arkham City or Skyrim?

I only got Batman the first time around as part of a package deal, and if I get the sequel it will be for the same reasons. I dislike their DRM implementation and will not support it directly.

Oblivion kinda turned me off to that franchise with the dungeons being all the same and such a small world and a horrid scaling system. I'll need some assurances of that not repeating itself before I hand over my cash for the game.

Amusingly, Batman had something that normally would annoy the hell out of me (spacebar was the everything button) but I had so much fun I didn't care after a while. My lack of purchase for that title will solely be ideological.

[enemyofportal]

I played demo. it is certainly another dragon age-ish game which I hate. people are out of ideas? why just don't they create some different story and characters? why is it all about ♥♥♥♥ing dungeon or dragon? this type of RPG gets me really tired. honestly, don't buy it.

[slyfox86]

And this thread is the definition of PC elitism.

http://i.min.us/idb7w6.gif

[n3ko]

And this thread is the definition of PC elitism.

Disliking bad console ports is PC elitism? :rolleyes:

[moonguard]

Hey guys check this crap out, this was back in March 3rd 2011:

"Dungeon Siege III to 'work well' on both PC and console"

http://www.destructoid.com/dungeon-siege-iii-to-work-well-on-both-pc-and-console-195453.phtml

"Davis also addressed the typical PC gamer concern that controls would be universally "dumbed down" for the console gamers to cope. "I think PC gamers have completely valid concerns," he stressed. "Control-wise, we developed a pretty slick system to make one of the most important pieces of the PC gamer's arsenal, hotkeys, accessible and fun on the PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. By using the bumpers and triggers to change stances and empower abilities, our Lead Designer, Nathaniel Chapman, created the versatility of hotkeys on console controllers."

Way to go guys, lie through your teeth but as long as the consolekids are satisfied right? At least they gave us a demo.

A pretty slick system? LOL yeah right. That system just convinced me within 10 minutes not to bother with the game. It's for consoles through and through.

[JamieKirby1981]

I hope you guys all know that you are all spoilt, you exact crysis graphics, Kotor's Story and Oblivion's Open World and every game, regardless of genre.

Get realistic.

the Demo was great, instead of coming on here and having a hissy fit, i gave the demo a chance and i loved it, i have completed the demo over 100 times.

I personally found the Witcher 2 rather crap, it just felt like the combat animation was done by 2 year olds, but thats just my opinion.

I acutally found the DS3 controls easier to manage then Witcher 2, also found assassins' Creed one hell of a major let down also.

[slyfox86]

I hope you guys all know that you are all spoilt, you exact crysis graphics, Kotor's Story and Oblivion's Open World and every game, regardless of genre.

Get realistic.

the Demo was great, instead of coming on here and having a hissy fit, i gave the demo a chance and i loved it, i have completed the demo over 100 times.

I personally found the Witcher 2 rather crap, it just felt like the combat animation was done by 2 year olds, but thats just my opinion.

I acutally found the DS3 controls easier to manage then Witcher 2, also found assassins' Creed one hell of a major let down also.

this troll means business.

[n3ko]

I hope you guys all know that you are all spoilt, you exact crysis graphics, Kotor's Story and Oblivion's Open World and every game, regardless of genre.

Get realistic.

the Demo was great, instead of coming on here and having a hissy fit, i gave the demo a chance and i loved it, i have completed the demo over 100 times.

I personally found the Witcher 2 rather crap, it just felt like the combat animation was done by 2 year olds, but thats just my opinion.

I acutally found the DS3 controls easier to manage then Witcher 2, also found assassins' Creed one hell of a major let down also.

Yes we are spoiled with configurable controls and controllable cameras. PC gamers are just like that. Elitists.

[gueber]

Honestly the default keyboard/mouse controls are fine once you learn how to use them (unless your left handed). That said not allowing people to rebind ANY of the keys in a PC game is pretty much unforgivable. Also it wouldn't even matter how crappy the default controls were if we could rebind them to our liking. Not as though they can't make a quick patch after release to fix this problem so I don't think it's going to kill the game as long as they address it.

The camera angles are far to restrictive and you have only 2 very limited levels of zoom, might be fine to keep it that way if your using the game-pad. For mouse users though that's annoying EASE UP and let us control are own dang cameras if we are using a mouse/keyboard.

Then there's the broken anti-aliasing on some(or all?) Radeon cards, it just doesn't work no matter what settings I use in the game or graphics drivers. I think they already said they are going to fix this to though. Well they darn well better I can't stand not having AA in this day and age.

What really annoys me is the insane over-use of some sort of bloom and other lighting effects. Is it just me or are the people in the village glowing like they ate a light-bulb? That garbage might look nice to cover up the weakness of consoles but it's down right ugly on PC. Fable 3 had the same problem but you could at least turn off those annoying effects by editing the .ini files, I've found no such options for this game though.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

I hope you guys all know that you are all spoilt, you exact crysis graphics, Kotor's Story and Oblivion's Open World and every game, regardless of genre.


Funny, I don't think a single poster in this forum has said the graphics are a deal breaker. A minority ♥♥♥♥♥ed about the story. The DS veterans don't care about Open World.

Get realistic.


You first.


the Demo was great, instead of coming on here and having a hissy fit, i gave the demo a chance and i loved it, i have completed the demo over 100 times.


Over 100 times! I played through it twice, total played time is 119 minutes. You have invested 100 hours in the game so far? Seriously? Post your steam community page, back that up.


I personally found the Witcher 2 rather crap, it just felt like the combat animation was done by 2 year olds, but thats just my opinion.


You are a graphics elitist then. :P


I acutally found the DS3 controls easier to manage then Witcher 2, also found assassins' Creed one hell of a major let down also.

You found clicking on a target difficult. :rolleyes:

[musvarmer]

I liked this game, just tried the demo and it was fun :)

[bushwhacker2k]

I hope you guys all know that you are all spoilt, you exact crysis graphics, Kotor's Story and Oblivion's Open World and every game, regardless of genre.

Get realistic.

the Demo was great, instead of coming on here and having a hissy fit, i gave the demo a chance and i loved it, i have completed the demo over 100 times.

Had to take a break there, 100 times? Either this demo is 2 minutes long or you are just spouting carp.

I've never once complained about DS3's graphics, I don't care about the story and I don't expect an open world.

AND GUESS WHAT!? I STILL hated it! As I've said a dozen times this isn't even remotely like the other Dungeon Siege games, the controls aren't exactly intuitive, the combat feels disjointed and you have to get too close to stuff to pick it up (minor complaint but it's annoying and break flows), and last but not least: the classes are preset, there are few skills so overall this has noticeably less depth than the previous Dungeon Siege games.

I got to be honest, I don't have much confidence that I can change things like this so I HAVE to settle for talking about it on forums like this, I don't know what else to do. If obsidian could be convinced to fix things then I don't think this game would exist in the first place.

Well, to finish: I think you might find more success in your responses if you try not to exaggerate (and you did exaggerate) and try to find more particular things rather than just giving a comparison because you hated such-and-such other games.

[Kaliss]

Disliking bad console ports is PC elitism? :rolleyes:

Or perhaps I was referring to all the posts saying/implying that PC gamers and games are better than console gamers/games. I'll even provide you with a quote from the OP since you seem to be unable to notice it.



Even though I personally didn't care for DS3 to begin withh, DS was an iconic PC game for its time and its yet another in a long list of IPs ruined for pacifier-sucking/idiot frat console babies.

[Smock]

+1 to this being bad.

I was actually looking forward to this as i enjoyed the first Dungeon Siege, and the 2nd one was ok.

I'm so glad i played the demo - if you could call it that. I just could not get to grips with the controls at all! They just do not feel natural at all, and I've played a lot of these kinds of games in my time.

Whoever thought that WASD with turning was a good idea? talk about taking gaming controls back 20 years.

It should either be A/D as strafe, with the camera behind and the mouse adjusting the view, or the view should move independently and the WASD for general directions for the character to move in. Seriously it's like someone keeps shouting 'sidestep left simon'

This is like someone making an evil controller hybrid!

Shall not be buying unless they implement a decent control system.

The rest of the game be damned - it could be the best story/rpg ever, it just doesn't matter.

[bushwhacker2k]

And this thread is the definition of PC elitism.

That wasn't really constructive, but in retaliation this is a game that has apparently been ported from a console to the PC (even though it's predecessors were never on anything BUT the PC) and it's very lacking in depth (something consoles are known for, not an insult, just something I've found to oftentime be the case) and it's control scheme is weird and it doesn't even offer you any way to change it. No offense, as I play many console games myself, but I think on this level, PC Elitism is probably justified.

[notamused81]

What annoys me most of this game is - despite the horrible control layout- the fact that the camera angles are in quite unpleasant degrees. Often times I get attacked by enemys outside my screen that I just cant see because the camera does not zoom out far enough.

I have to thank for this demo because it makes me realise that I do not want this game. It is either brave to bring out such mediocre games as testing demos or the developers have a quite over the top self esteem.

Anyways: Thanks for helping me avoiding your product.

[lietu]

Completely agree, I looked at the videos first and it looked great.. Was glad to see there's a demo available and downloaded it, an hour after installing it, I deleted it..

Why? Here's why:
- The controls are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they're bad even for something designed for a console, I was hoping there was some settings I could try out, but there are none
- The camera keeps zooming in my nostril when I'm trying to get to some "cleverly hidden chest", and otherwise just plain keeps me from seeing anything. I hear some companion yelling, "looks like trouble ahead", and all I can think of is "no it doesn't, I can't see anything"
- The mouse is pretty useless.. Yay, I can aim my left-click attacks, I could just as well do it with WSAD if the controls were working properly, I can't hover on anything to reveal more information, I can't click on anything to perform actions, I can't use the camera as any sane control of the camera has been disabled, and middle-mouse for turning the camera is too much of a PITA

Please let me know once you fix these consolitis issues, and I will consider trying out the demo again, and if it seems CONSIDERABLY better, I will buy it..

[EvilTomte]

Agree with OP 100%.

Demo was stupid. What really caught my eye was the way enemies were running. It's nowhere near a natural way of moving.

How can they make such a bad game, I don't get it. They should be ashamed to display such a poor demo. They'd earn more money by not releasing a demo, as some people might be stupid enough to buy it just because it's Dungeon Siege III.

Only thing that's somewhat passable is the graphics. But that's it.

[velvetmeds]

Game is great, specially with a gamepad.

[Cut2TheChase]

Too many posters defending the consolization of the new games coming out, weird and I'm not buying it. I couldn't agree more with the OP.
I played the demo, the animations are weak, the zoom is weak, it has definitely been stripped down for the casual gamer but don't we have enough casual games out there, this is supposed to be an RPG.

-Velvetmed, if it's on a PC then the FREAKIN MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SHOULD WORK!
so shutup about your gamepad.

> goes back to playing Sacred 2....

[bushwhacker2k]

Too many posters defending the consolization of the new games coming out, weird and I'm not buying it. I couldn't agree more with the OP.
I played the demo, the animations are weak, the zoom is weak, it has definitely been stripped down for the casual gamer but don't we have enough casual games out there, this is supposed to be an RPG.

Game is great, specially with a gamepad.

-Velvetmed, if it's on a PC then the FREAKIN MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SHOULD WORK!
so shutup about your gamepad.

> goes back to playing Sacred 2....

Once again, that a game doesn't work with the control scheme it's released on isn't exactly a point in it's favor. If you guys have legitimate reasons you think this game is good you should post them because the constant random "well, pc gamers suck" or "the first two games sucked" or "it works well with a 360 controller" aren't going anywhere at this point.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

Game is great, specially with a gamepad.

This is a great argument to not buy it on PC. When you are done with the game, you can recoup some of your value by selling it to a pawnshop.

[Rumtruffle]

This is a great argument to not buy it on PC. When you are done with the game, you can recoup some of your value by selling it to a pawnshop.

i am still debating that myself.

however after playing the ps3 demo and its awful, and really mean awful, texture quality i really dont want to ruin what little of the game there is by having the visuals virtually destructed at the start.

the devs have said its a bug, and the full console games will have better. but i dont know how much better. i also like 1080p on my hdtv, and it isnt 1080p on console.

definitely getting the game though. i do all rpg's. including crap like dimensity. :/

[DirtyHarry50]

Game is great, specially with a gamepad.

We'll have none of that damned gamepad stuff around here thank you very much! lol

Seriously, I expect decent PC controls for a PC game and a decent adjustable camera view is certainly nice too. This game has neither sadly.

[velvetmeds]

So much rage. And elitism.

[burnstreet]

Hey guys check this crap out, this was back in March 3rd 2011:

"Dungeon Siege III to 'work well' on both PC and console"

http://www.destructoid.com/dungeon-siege-iii-to-work-well-on-both-pc-and-console-195453.phtml

"Davis also addressed the typical PC gamer concern that controls would be universally "dumbed down" for the console gamers to cope. "I think PC gamers have completely valid concerns," he stressed. "Control-wise, we developed a pretty slick system to make one of the most important pieces of the PC gamer's arsenal, hotkeys, accessible and fun on the PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. By using the bumpers and triggers to change stances and empower abilities, our Lead Designer, Nathaniel Chapman, created the versatility of hotkeys on console controllers."

Way to go guys, lie through your teeth but as long as the consolekids are satisfied right? At least they gave us a demo.

They are talking about the console version when talking about controls there... re-read what you posted bro!

Im pissed about the controls also tho, im a HUGE DUNGEON SIEGE FAN!

[DirtyHarry50]

So much rage. And elitism.

Yep. PC Gaming at its very finest! :-)

[slyfox86]

Yep. PC Gaming at its very finest! :-)

The controls are so good, people must be complaining for no reason other than elitism amirite?

[gueber]

This is nothing new guys, developers have been giving us the shaft with their terribly done console to PC ports for years. I think what we are seeing here is the pent up rage from all the bad console to PC ports over the years. It's time to get over it and move on, if developers clearly don't care to change their shoddy business practices and take the time to make a proper port to PC no amount of raging on a forum that's not even theirs is going to change anything. As far as Dungeon Siege 3 goes, it's a decently fun game definitely not as bad as people are making it out to be.

[Metro]

Game is great, specially with a gamepad.

So it's a console game? Gotcha.

So much rage. And elitism.

I guess it's elitist for PC gamers to expect optimized titles on the PC rather than just have the PC be a console capable of delivering better graphics? I have no problem with console games... as long as they stay on consoles. I don't see why the PC has to be an extension of consoles these days. If you're happy using a controller, buy the Xbox version.

[DirtyHarry50]

The controls are so good, people must be complaining for no reason other than elitism amirite?

Maybe. I complained because the controls suck and so does the camera.

[velvetmeds]

So it's a console game? Gotcha.



I guess it's elitist for PC gamers to expect optimized titles on the PC rather than just have the PC be a console capable of delivering better graphics? I have no problem with console games... as long as they stay on consoles. I don't see why the PC has to be an extension of consoles these days. If you're happy using a controller, buy the Xbox version.

I don't have a Xbox, nor do i want one. I see no problem with using a gamepad in games that are played better with one. No reason to limit oneself one form of control, mouse + kb is the best for some kind of games, gamepad works best for others. This game is a gamepad game, not a console game. So yes, it's just elitism. If the game plays so well on a PC, it doesn't matter if you're using a pad or not. It's a good game and that's all that matters. Screw platforms.

[bushwhacker2k]

I don't have a Xbox, nor do i want one. I see no problem with using a gamepad in games that are played better with one. No reason to limit oneself one form of control, mouse + kb is the best for some kind of games, gamepad works best for others. This game is a gamepad game, not a console game. So yes, it's just elitism. If the game plays so well on a PC, it doesn't matter if you're using a pad or not. It's a good game and that's all that matters. Screw platforms.

I don't really understand how this qualifies as elitism.

This IS a console port, they wouldn't make a game and mass market it if it was made for a tool that they didn't include or advertise as well. The previous games worked fine with the kb+m.

We've stated before "would it be okay to release a game on the xbox that played much better with a mouse and keyboard?"

... and of course it wouldn't be okay.

I don't really understand why you're raging so hard, are you trying to convince yourself that you are playing a good game and didn't waste money, but inside you aren't really sure about it so you have to debate it online?

We aren't elitists, we are gamers who are bothered by shoddy craftsmanship.

[DirtyHarry50]

I don't have a Xbox, nor do i want one. I see no problem with using a gamepad in games that are played better with one. No reason to limit oneself one form of control, mouse + kb is the best for some kind of games, gamepad works best for others. This game is a gamepad game, not a console game. So yes, it's just elitism. If the game plays so well on a PC, it doesn't matter if you're using a pad or not. It's a good game and that's all that matters. Screw platforms.

If you enjoy this game with a gamepad then by all means enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with that.

For many of us here there is most certainly something wrong with this being "a gamepad game." We don't want a gamepad game. We want a game that controls well with a mouse and keyboard as most PC games do. There is no good reason they could not have also provided this.

This has absolutely nothing to do with elitism. It has to do with not providing an acceptable control scheme for many (most?) PC gamers who might purchase and play this.

You say it doesn't matter if you are using a gamepad or not but you are wrong about that. It doesn't matter to you. Fine. However, for a lot of us as you can see here it matters plenty.

And that is just focusing on the controls issue. Would you argue that camera view and control is excellent in this game? I'm not sure how anyone could.

Controls and camera were my two big issues here and it's too bad because otherwise I'd probably like this title.

The thing I think you need to remember is that other people's views about stuff like using gamepads or not are just as valid as your own. Which is why I said, by all means enjoy it if you do. Just don't expect me to not ♥♥♥♥♥ about something that is disappointing to me because it is.

[ColdBrew]

I like it. Obsidian has done good games. Fallout New Vegas was a great game IMHO. Even games in the past by obsidian weren't "BAD" they just weren't "GREAT" IMHO.

This is just a demo and not the full retail game, so it is hard to fully judge, but I think Transformers War for Cybertron was a MUCH worse "console port".

Having said that I think the game plays great with the gamepad, which is the way I will play it when I pick it up (probably after it goes on sale). But depending on what my friends buy (PC, Xbox 360, or PS3 (actually I won't buy a multiplayer game on the PS3)) will probably decide what I buy it on. Even though it looks quite a bit better on the PC because of higher res and other graphics options. I would really to like to have seen them add Direct X 11 support, but I would be surprised to see that.

BTW I don't dispute everyone being angry with it being a "console port". I completely see your point and agree with some of it. It just doesn't seem to damage the game to me as much. What would bother me is if they don't support the game with DLC and patching.

[Cut2TheChase]

So much rage. And elitism.

No rage, can't be heard with rage, more like inform others,
don't purchase and support developers that make a proper game that works well on a C-O-M-P-U-T-E-R.

And following your logic the opposite of pc elite is
console dumbness, or console generic, or console regular?
No thanks.

[bushwhacker2k]

Obsidian has done good games. Fallout New Vegas was a great game IMHO. Even games in the past by obsidian weren't "BAD" they just weren't "GREAT" IMHO.

I think either KotOR 2 or New Vegas was Obsidian's best game.

Overall their other games were either unfunctional, buggy or I simply didn't enjoy them.

[Plutarchus]

What the hell is this? I just tried playing the demo on PC. You have to be kidding me, you can't map keys? Did I just time warp to 2001? Why does this play like some arcade game? Why can't I zoom? Why is the dialogue so bad? Why does my guy get stuck on invisible pebbles everywhere? Why do the enemies run in anime style? Why is this game only 10 hours long? 10 HOURS?!?! That's crazy talk for a new AAA RPG of modern standards.

Special mention goes to the camera, it's hilariously bad. This is what you get when you hire a bunch of shoddy game developers at a bargain price. You ruin IPs. Congrats to Obsidian, and to Square for ruining the Dungeon Siege brand. Ahh well, back to waiting for Diablo.

[HJP]

Obsidian is just a cr@ppy developer. Their best games are KOTOR2 and New Vegas, and even these aren't as good as the originals in my view. I played the DS3 demo for all of five minutes before uninstalling, as I couldn't stand the controls, even when overlooking all the consolized BS.

You have to give them credit for releasing a demo on PC though. Very few developers are doing this these days.

[bushwhacker2k]

Why is this game only 10 hours long? 10 HOURS?!?! That's crazy talk for a new AAA RPG of modern standards.

Well dang, I hadn't heard about this O_o

Is Obsidian going for a record of shabby game-making or am I missing something?

[n3ko]

So much rage. And elitism.

Consoles. So much love. And hugs.

[NorthernKingdom]

Well dang, I hadn't heard about this O_o

Is Obsidian going for a record of shabby game-making or am I missing something?

Dungeon Siege 2 was very bad but yeah Obsidian made an even worse Dungeon Siege and they are known for their terrible PC games. The only reason Fallout: New Vegas was semi decent was because they didn't create it but simply used all the ground work from Bethesda.

[Rumtruffle]

The only reason Fallout: New Vegas was semi decent was because they didn't create it but simply used all the ground work from Bethesda.

yes i do agree with that.

[Ricster2k]

I was looking forward to the title. Now having just played it.
IT IS A LOAD OF ♥♥♥♥!

One of the worse games I've ever played and the WORSE game iv ever seen on PC!

[sypros]

This game is so bad. I need to 5min to realize that.

[JamieKirby1981]

hmmm, you guys must have been playing a totally different demo because it was quite good, better then Witcher 2 and Assassin Creed series, now those games were utter rubbish.

[Le0]

hmmm, you guys must have been playing a totally different demo because it was quite good, better then Witcher 2 and Assassin Creed series, now those games were utter rubbish.

Too obvious.
Shoo.

[Cut2TheChase]

I heard all the games on xbox played better with a keyboard and mouse, hell I heard the gamepad didnt work right on some of them!
- Wonder how that rage would feel?
- I think the "console elite" are the most unrecognized crowd, I mean god forbid 9 year old Johnny's toy didnt work right!

Just imagine.

[Metro]

Apparently the full game is only about ten hours long. Everything about this game screams digital download title and not a $50 release.

[mouton]

I know a bunch of games that were very consolized and yet they were good or excellent - Assassin's Creed 2, Psychonauts, Borderlands, Mass Effect 2 and probably some other games I forgot.

I prefer when a game works well on my PC, I really do, and consolitis is a minus. But in the end, it is not what really matters. If someone is so fixated on controls as to discard a good game, then I truly pity them.
The only reason Fallout: New Vegas was semi decent was because they didn't create it but simply used all the ground work from Bethesda.
Dear lord, that's so wrong it's not even funny. Btw, you do know who made Fallout 1 and 2? You probably never played them, being in a womb and all.

[Spylander]

ugh this thread needs a tissue.

DS3 is fun as hell, if you don't like it don't buy it.

Case Closed.

Dear lord, that's so wrong it's not even funny. Btw, you do know who made Fallout 1 and 2? You probably never played them, being in a womb and all.

WIN!^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Apparently the full game is only about ten hours long. Everything about this game screams digital download title and not a $50 release.


Actually the game is about 20-25 hours long. Stop getting info about your games from bus station bathroom walls.

[DirtyHarry50]

After playing it for about an hour I felt the game was too long actually. This might have had something to do with my preference for PC games though. I'm such an elitist that way. :-)

[bushwhacker2k]

ugh this thread needs a tissue.

DS3 is fun as hell, if you don't like it don't buy it.

Case Closed.

Actually the game is about 20-25 hours long. Stop getting info about your games from bus station bathroom walls.

I don't like how people try to write off our complaints as idle whining, should we say 'screw all Jews' and pretend Hitler never existed? (Yep, I went there) To elaborate, NO, we should not because this game series suffered and has likely died for other reason than Obsidian wanted a little more marketing since this game series was fairly successful in the past.

Also if the game isn't released yet, how would you be able to even debate the length of the game? Word of mouth?

The only reason Fallout: New Vegas was semi decent was because they didn't create it but simply used all the ground work from Bethesda.

I actually quite agree, also KotOR was the same way, I wonder if Obsidian workers have started to notice this or if they just cover their eyes whenever anything that isn't praise appears.

After playing it for about an hour I felt the game was too long actually. This might have had something to do with my preference for PC games though. I'm such an elitist that way. :-)

... what? Is this a joke that I don't get or are you referring to flash games or something?

---

On hindsight I now think DirtyHarry was implying that he wasn't an elitist and that the term should probably be thrown around less. If that is what you mean, Harry, then I wholly agree.

[DirtyHarry50]

Yes I was joking where supposed "elitism" had come up earlier.

I just wish they put forth the effort to include better controls, the ability to map them as desired and better camera view/control. It's a real shame they didn't do those things and I cannot understand why they failed to do them.

It makes me wonder if it was rushed and if marketing was exerting too much control versus development as to when this title shipped for PC. It wouldn't be the first time for this to hurt a software project. It seems hard to believe that developers at Obsidian would expect PC gamers to welcome the game in its current state. It is not hard to believe on the other hand that a bunch of suits would make them push it out the door without giving them the time to make it what it should be. It's like the game is unfinished in a way.

[bushwhacker2k]

Yes I was joking where supposed "elitism" had come up earlier.

Yeah, reading it now it's kind of obvious, pardon my momentary derp.

I just wish they put forth the effort to include better controls, the ability to map them as desired and better camera view/control. It's a real shame they didn't do those things and I cannot understand why they failed to do them.

It makes me wonder if it was rushed and if marketing was exerting too much control versus development as to when this title shipped for PC. It wouldn't be the first time for this to hurt a software project. It seems hard to believe that developers at Obsidian would expect PC gamers to welcome the game in its current state. It is not hard to believe on the other hand that a bunch of suits would make them push it out the door without giving them the time to make it what it should be. It's like the game is unfinished in a way.

I WISH I knew what they were thinking! It's so easy to blame suits with no gaming experience (god knows I do) but surely they had SOME reasoning behind releasing this lacking features that are kind of vital to PC-play in addition to making a game that has nothing to do with it's predecessors- God, I'm really repeating myself a lot, shows how much this game miffs me.

[DirtyHarry50]

Well I don't blame you for being upset. I was looking forward to this one myself.

[poisonsoup2]

if they abandon pc players , pc players abandon them

[Lavec]

Apparently the full game is only about ten hours long. Everything about this game screams digital download title and not a $50 release.

Where did you read that? I've read it's about 15-20 hours long for the single player campaign. If you play that once per character and then in there's the additional difficulty levels, not to mention co-op and multiplayer it doesn't seem so short.

[Evilgoodone]

No wonder it changed, dungeon siege 2 was utter ♥♥♥♥, with horrible graphics, boring and repetative diablo wannbe gameplay, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ storyline and awful characters and script. Also one of the worst english voiceovers i ever heard.

[Obviousman]

No wonder it changed, dungeon siege 2 was utter ♥♥♥♥, with horrible graphics, boring and repetative diablo wannbe gameplay, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ storyline and awful characters and script. Also one of the worst english voiceovers i ever heard.

I could live with DS2, it still felt BARELY like Dungeon Siege.
This tripe isn't even close to Dungeon Siege. They made it into a Gauntlet-esque linear Top-Down RPG instead that feels roughly like Dragon Age: Origins in the conversation cutscenes...

Well played, Square Eunuchs and Failsidion. You guys totally destroyed a good RPG series with this mediocre game. I hate you both.

[Rumtruffle]

Where did you read that? I've read it's about 15-20 hours long for the single player campaign. If you play that once per character and then in there's the additional difficulty levels, not to mention co-op and multiplayer it doesn't seem so short.

he read it from pirates who stole the game, who likely played it on casual and rushed through.

even if it were 10 hours for a single playthrough, you then multiply by four for the other characters and to get all achiemvents probably means playing through with each one.

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

he read it from pirates who stole the game, who likely played it on casual and rushed through.

even if it were 10 hours for a single playthrough, you then multiply by four for the other characters and to get all achiemvents probably means playing through with each one.

Except I'm not driven by such crappy achievements. Nor are most people that are shown a railroad map to be repeated again, and again, and again without a real multiplayer opposition.

[enoch420]

this game is a giant brain fart.

the end.

[fl4mz0r]

The "PC" side of the game was a money "bonus". There was no easy way for the developers to say this is NOT a PC game, imo. Quite a few companies doing this and I am sure they are aware what they are doing, seriosuly you just need to see how much HARD WORK it is to play it on the PC. There are limitless options when making games and building a hype, milking some sequels is also a valid option to get some extra bucks to continue the trend. Life is short! My money wont be on this.

[phlask]

Definitely skipping this game after seeing this warning. Another good series bites the dust. It's not PC gaming that's dying, it's gaming in general. "Mainstreaming" games have made them so shallow there's no fun to be had anymore. Press a button and something awesome happens, you might as well watch a movie. My only hope is indie games now, they are the only ones that will receive my money from now on.

[JamieKirby1981]

oh my word, why do people always go by other peoples' opinions???

why not find out for yourself? there is a freaking demo.

Every single Human being has the ability to have opinions of their own, time to use it. :)

[Cmdr. Thanatos]

oh my word, why do people always go by other peoples' opinions???

why not find out for yourself? there is a freaking demo.

Every single Human being has the ability to have opinions of their own, time to use it. :)

Some people value their time differently than others.

[JamieKirby1981]

Some people value their time differently than others.

if you say so...

[Marcelloz]

Well, I played the demo with an Xbox controller on my PC and i just love it! Great graphics with good controls. But you definitely need a controller to play it as designed, keyboard is a no-go and just awful.

[S0und]

I just can't stop playing it. First it's runs awesomely on my 3 years old pc, and looks great. But there is one important thing, iam playing it with Xbox360 controller, and it works great.

[Sastum]

Actually after reading this thread I didn't even want to download the demo - but then I thought "It can't be THAT bad" - It was... Even worse than expected.

BUT...
If you give it more time than 5-15 min like a lot of people stated here you get used to it.

Use RMB and hold to move; use AD to adjust camera if needed - after a while you don't even need that because you can rotate the camera while RMB moving and moving over the edge of the screen.
About after an hour I didn't have to think about it, I'll get the retail (even though the menus are very consolish - but alas I got used to that through other games)
All in all try the demo a bit longer and decide for yourself.

[bushwhacker2k]

if they abandon pc players , pc players abandon them

That should be the slogan to this game.

No wonder it changed, dungeon siege 2 was utter ♥♥♥♥, with horrible graphics, boring and repetative diablo wannbe gameplay, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ storyline and awful characters and script. Also one of the worst english voiceovers i ever heard.

No offense but... did you play the game? The graphics weren't that bad, the storyline was fine, the characters were pretty basic, not awful. The game was overall pretty good, maybe you don't like collecting gear and making a varied party but that says more about you than the game.

oh my word, why do people always go by other peoples' opinions???

why not find out for yourself? there is a freaking demo.

Every single Human being has the ability to have opinions of their own, time to use it. :)

Some people value their time differently than others.

Indeed, have you ever seen a review of a game? That's pretty much why, we want people to know why we think this game fails and why we don't want people getting money for having released this. There is a demo, and obviously some people are easily satisfied and/or have low standards but this game is a blatant slap-in-the-face to people who enjoyed the previous titles. Once again, gonna keep saying it until people start getting it.

[Herbalacious]

Damn..I really wanted to like this, but this game reminds me a lot of Dungeon Hunter on my ipod. Should be called 'Legionnaire' or something else.

It plays well with the xbox 360 controller and the graphics are good.

Camera view is not the greatest, but the game plays well for what it is. I was gonna pre-order it but not after playing the demo. I'll wait for it to go on sale.

This reminds me of the dragon age sequel..nothing like the original game. I put hundreds of hours on the 1st one. I think I only did 60 hrs on the sequel and never did a 2nd play through. I am thinking this will be really similar unfortunately.

[M4nkoRid3r]

oh my word, why do people always go by other peoples' opinions???

why not find out for yourself? there is a freaking demo.

Every single Human being has the ability to have opinions of their own, time to use it. :)

I tried the demo, I want my 65 minutes back.

[ElizLestrad]

-Velvetmed, if it's on a PC then the FREAKIN MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SHOULD WORK! so shutup about your gamepad.

Unfortunatly I would say if anything its that mentality (using a gamepad to play a PC game then crying foul when a game doesnt have support for gamepads on a PC) that is fueling this stint of so-called "consolitis". I've seen so many threads on steam of people complaining that "[insert game title here] doesnt have gamepad support for my 360 controller" it actually pretty sickening. I mean, is a keyboard and mouse really that difficult? I really cant fathom any logical reason for it.

I dont really recall when it started (Maybe GoW 1 for PC?), but think if anything can be done to at least stem the tide of "consolitis" the gaming community needs to start lobbying for zero controller support for PC games with the sole exception of flight sims (joysticks) and racing games (wheels). PC Games will and always have been meant to be correctly played with a keyboard and mouse; and if people really cant play a game without using a controller, then they can play it on the console.

That being said, I'm kinda indifferent on the demo.. Mostly because I was hoping to try Katarina. I was however pleasantly surprised at the demo's overall length. With how short demos have gotten (if games have gotten real demos at all and not those stupid "multiplayer only demos") it was a much welcomed surprise. I might get it if some of my friends pick it up but

[richymun4]

what's happening to game these days.I love playing my games with keyboard and mouse i could never play with a controller.I just don't like what im seeing with games companies all these games lately like dragon age 2 crysis 2 have just been horrible console ports.

[Lifeshield]

Wow people are really hating on others because they use a control pad? Really?

Get a grip fellas.

Yeah it sucks that the PC controls are crap, but if some PC gamers can get some enjoyment out of it using a different control device are you really going to hate on them just because you cant enjoy it with a mouse and keyboard?

Really? That's like the kid who threatens to take his ball home, and calls eveyone else names, because he can't win.

Honestly, hate on the developers for not supporting the devices properly, but dont hate on the gamers just because they find a method to enjoy the game. The game works fine with a control pad, if you decide you dont wish to use one that's fine, but for gods sake people, grow up a little bit.

For the record I think personally that games like this play better with a control pad than a mouse and keyboard anyway. There are games (Street Fighter, Pro Evolution Soccer, Need For Speed, as examples) that just aren't good with keyboard and mouse regardless of support, would you boycott them too because you would have to use a different control device to get the most out of it?

Originally Posted by ElizLestrad
if people really cant play a game without using a controller, then they can play it on the console.

That has to be the most idiotic, self centred, post I have ever read in my entire life.

[kreed_uk]

Unfortunatly I would say if anything its that mentality (using a gamepad to play a PC game then crying foul when a game doesnt have support for gamepads on a PC) that is fueling this stint of so-called "consolitis". I've seen so many threads on steam of people complaining that "[insert game title here] doesnt have gamepad support for my 360 controller" it actually pretty sickening. I mean, is a keyboard and mouse really that difficult? I really cant fathom any logical reason for it.

I dont really recall when it started (Maybe GoW 1 for PC?), but think if anything can be done to at least stem the tide of "consolitis" the gaming community needs to start lobbying for zero controller support for PC games with the sole exception of flight sims (joysticks) and racing games (wheels). PC Games will and always have been meant to be correctly played with a keyboard and mouse; and if people really cant play a game without using a controller, then they can play it on the console.


Most of the PC gamers I know have their gaming PCs connected up to their TVs. Sick, yeah I know. What is this world coming to? Controllers have been part of PC gaming for longer than I can remember and they are here to stay. Deal with it.

[DirtyHarry50]

Most of the PC gamers I know have their gaming PCs connected up to their TVs. Sick, yeah I know. What is this world coming to? Controllers have been part of PC gaming for longer than I can remember and they are here to stay. Deal with it.

No.

I won't deal with it but Obsidian should if they want my money.

[hullupelaaja]

As a fan of the previous games, I still liked it. The demo ran very well on my dated computer even on the highest settings and looked good as well.

The control scheme isn't that horrible, but just takes some time to get used to. Same thing goes for the menus.

Anyways, I pre-ordered this and am looking forward to playing this with my friend. Anyone planning to purchase this shouldn't base their opinion on this thread, but to try the demo themselves to see if they like it.

[Rumtruffle]

I've seen so many threads on steam of people complaining that "[insert game title here] doesnt have gamepad support for my 360 controller" it actually pretty sickening. I mean, is a keyboard and mouse really that difficult? I really cant fathom any logical reason for it.



you try playing a game whilst lying on your side in bed, with a mouse and keyboard.
impossible without being uncomfortable after 20mins or your arm going to sleep.

i have to play that way, so i need my pc games with controller support. all of them. and i cant play ones that dont have it.

[DirtyHarry50]

you try playing a game whilst lying on your side in bed, with a mouse and keyboard.
impossible without being uncomfortable after 20mins or your arm going to sleep.

i have to play that way, so i need my pc games with controller support. all of them. and i cant play ones that dont have it.

I'm all for having the best of both worlds with good control schemes for both controllers and keyboard/mouse. So anyone can play however they like. The problem here has been the lack of good keyboard/mouse control really. It should ideally have both ways covered.

[Herbalacious]

Lol @ this thread. All the ranting about poor controls made me replay the demo on the keyboard/mouse. After a few mins I swapped back to the controller hah.

Playing with a controller doesn't matter too much for me personally. Some games I enjoy on the controller like Assassins Creed, Batman, Fall Out 3, etc. Other games like tf2, Global Agenda, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty's, etc I gotta have my keyboard/mouse.

This game maybe fun but you will be disappointed if you are comparing it to the previous dungeon sieges. I feel like those games were kind of linear too with a sort of predictable story/outcome, but the control scheme was awesome, you could have huge parties that brought collecting loot to a whole new level. Huge battles too. It was a lot like diablo, but had it's own flair at the same time.

In some ways I miss the old PC gaming days.. Wing Commander series, Ultima 7, Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale series, NWN1, Deus Ex, Fear 1, etcetc. Anyways, gettin off topic here and don't get me wrong..there are still some good games coming out soon I want! The new Deus Ex, Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, etc. Just gotta wait for em!

[Freudinio911]

Lol @ this thread. All the ranting about poor controls made me replay the demo on the keyboard/mouse. After a few mins I swapped back to the controller hah.

Playing with a controller doesn't matter too much for me personally. Some games I enjoy on the controller like Assassins Creed, Batman, Fall Out 3, etc. Other games like tf2, Global Agenda, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty's, etc I gotta have my keyboard/mouse.

This game maybe fun but you will be disappointed if you are comparing it to the previous dungeon sieges. I feel like those games were kind of linear too with a sort of predictable story/outcome, but the control scheme was awesome, you could have huge parties that brought collecting loot to a whole new level. Huge battles too. It was a lot like diablo, but had it's own flair at the same time.

In some ways I miss the old PC gaming days.. Wing Commander series, Ultima 7, Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale series, NWN1, Deus Ex, Fear 1, etcetc. Anyways, gettin off topic here and don't get me wrong..there are still some good games coming out soon I want! The new Deus Ex, Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, etc. Just gotta wait for em!

Wait.. you played fallout with a controller? :O

[bushwhacker2k]

Wow people are really hating on others because they use a control pad? Really?

Get a grip fellas.

Yeah it sucks that the PC controls are crap, but if some PC gamers can get some enjoyment out of it using a different control device are you really going to hate on them just because you cant enjoy it with a mouse and keyboard?

I think they're probably pushing a little farther than need be, but their point is pretty obvious considering this game sucks with kb+m but is good with a controller... ON THE PC. The point is if they didn't use controllers for PC games this would probably have had decent PC controls, I think YOU need to lighten up, they're just exaggerating.

Also, if console-gamers got annoyed because too many games played better with kb+m and thus wanted games to not use kb+m on the console, would that be a legitimate complaint? I actually think so, so I think this one is overall pretty legitimate as well.

That has to be the most idiotic, self centred, post I have ever read in my entire life.

Guess you don't read many posts, it's a legitimate complaint just gone too far.

But to be honest, I actually find myself hating the consumer rather than the developer sometimes. Why can devs release a shoddy product with a misleading title? Because obviously they get enough money from people who buy it that they can afford to not put in effort or thought. Devs usually have the goal of making money, so I blame the people that shrug and say it's okay for them to make something like that.

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In the end, the bottom line is that they simply should have given more thought to kb+m controls and the ability to change keys. There really isn't anything else to argue about on this point. They did something wrong, that's all there is.

Also, when all is said and done, a company that wants to use both will make both functional, then neither PC nor console players can complain and everybody's happy.

[rta]

thanks for saving me the bandwidth as i was about to dload this demo and try it after getting angry at installing that welcome back free game 'infamous' on my ps3 (which took an hour btw). what a piece of tripe that was. i ran around for literally 34 seconds and turned off my console. that thing is good for ONE thing...netflix.

some game designers need a punch in their faces.

[amitava82]

wow I was looking forward to DS3.. Guess I'll just buy the FEAR pack instead.

[Alexspeed]

Wow, just wow.... how can you ♥♥♥♥ up the controls so bad?

I just tried playing it, and i WANT to enjoy it, i think it would have potential to be a great game, but there is no way i am able to ever get anything out of it with these horrible controls that i cant even change... there is not even a frickin manual anywhere to find that would explain the keyboard layout.

Really i have enough of these horrible console ports, i want good pc games, that play like pc games, with mouse and keyboard. If i could return this game i would. :mad:


Obsidian is a name i will remember, a name of a game company to avoid from now on.

[HolisticCookie]

thanks, was looking for reviews, will not buy unless it's in the 1 dollar steam bargain bin. Consolitis is bad, never buy a game with Consolitis.

[ikaruga17]

Bought the game, keyboard support is just horrible. Then i plugged in my 360 controller and suddenly it played better. It isnt a bad game but it isnt Dungeon Siege either.

[Herbalacious]

Wait.. you played fallout with a controller? :O

Yea and replaying thru New Vegas with the controller too. :D Also playing Witcher 2 with the controller.

I don't prefer controllers over kb/mouse, but I do like the option to use them for some games.

Don't understand what the big deal is about using them. It's a damn shame that game devs are making PC games with crappy PC controls tho. This is just a poor job in development.

I'm expecting future games to have similar issues in the near future. Warhammer Space Marine quickly comes to mind..I hope a demo of this comes out soon. The Dawn of War series is badass! Really hope this game does well and the controls don't become an issue. I have a bad feeling it's going to remind me of Dragon Age 2 or this demo tho.

It's more annoying that consoles are taking PC titles and completely changing them and usually making it worse. Why don't we see that on the PC end. Would be awesome if, for example, somehow the God of War series were remade for the PC and making it more technical for combat/gear/items/etc etc. lol.

[Graeystone]

The OP misdiagnosed this game and missed an 'illness' - 'Square Enix Syndrome'.

[Ardbug]

If people dont buy games on pc, they will simply stop doing games for the pc, just look at e3, its all about consoles, we should be happy if they release it to pc at all. Not buying the games simply reduces the amount of games released at all.

I would love to get good games on pc, but atm i think "beggars cant be choosers" are a term for pc gaming.

There is a lot of money to be made on PC, its a huge market, its not a question of the customer having to settle for console crap, its a question of developers developing games that satisfy the demand on PC.
As the xbox grows older and older, and the limitations of that old box drag PC games down more and more, people will start to complain about stagnant games, naturally, and that is exactly what we see now, developers having a harder and harder time selling their console ports on PC, because the gap has gotten quite large now.

[Kaliss]

Wow, just wow.... how can you ♥♥♥♥ up the controls so bad?

I just tried playing it, and i WANT to enjoy it, i think it would have potential to be a great game, but there is no way i am able to ever get anything out of it with these horrible controls that i cant even change... there is not even a frickin manual anywhere to find that would explain the keyboard layout.

Really i have enough of these horrible console ports, i want good pc games, that play like pc games, with mouse and keyboard. If i could return this game i would. :mad:


Obsidian is a name i will remember, a name of a game company to avoid from now on.

The Devs said that there will be a patch coming soon that will add the ability to map controls on the PC.

[Alexspeed]

The Devs said that there will be a patch coming soon that will add the ability to map controls on the PC.

If that is true then i might give it another try after this patch has gone live.

Because the game itself has potential, its just so horribly to control for me that it kills all fun that it could possibly be. :(

I was really upset when i wrote the first post, and i still am, but not so much any more, its more a sadness now, that another possibly great game fails for me, because they made it for old and outdated Consoles and not for the PC. *sigh*

Bah... i could write on and on, but thats not the place for it.

[Abedeus]

Why is everyone so damn surprised? Obsidian hasn't released a single good game yet ON THEIR OWN. KotOR II? Disgrace to the series. Neverwinter Nights 2? Also disgrace to the series. Bioware would've made both games three times better. Alpha Protocol? Mediocre 60-75% ratings, at best. 65% average on PC.

The only game they released that can be considered as decent was Fallout: New Vegas, but they just received engine from Bethesda and added some technical bugs to it.

[Einherjah]

Thank you for saving my money guys.

[hasgoneoffline]

ditto, thanks for the info

[bartje106]

don't even know where to start...
- controls are BAD
- camera management... BAD
- batlle system? AI random picks you a target (wich most of the time is the strongest in the bunch) and won't let you free controll YOUR OWN CHAR. so again BAAAAAAD
- picking up items, BAD!!! ffs spending 5 minuits to mangle your char in the direction you want it to go and spend an other 5 tapping keys to pick something up
- GOOD point... (if you can call it that) save points every 10 meters (believe me you'll need them because you'll be fighting EVERY batlle 35 times)
- Dungeon siege??? what the hell does this game have to do with dungeon siege??? only thing i can come up with is the name of the world

only GOOD thing i got out of this was getting dungeon siege 1&2 for free but still wasn't worth the money.
this is just a game for console baby's... playing on PC and without controler? well just stear clear of this crap and don't EVER look back.

if they want to make this game remotely playable give us MOUSE controlled camera (like any friggin decent RPG) and fix the damn batlle system because it's frustrating as hell... frustraded as hell right now because i'm stuck on 2 f*cking batlles wich i can't seem to win even on the easy mode just because my char just picks a random enemy (so having both double AND sword&shield = total BULLsh*t)well nice way to screw a nice game serie's (DS 1&2 were awsome, this is just console fanboy crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap)

hope this helps people NOT buying the game for PC

[lordon]

ty for saving my money, i won't bother with this.

[voidlet]

Thank you for saving my money guys.

Ditto. Always come to the forum before buying a game, it takes two seconds and not only do you save money but you don't support a bad game/developer etc

[ire_wolf]

consoles are glorified pc's you know.

you wouldnt say, this game is crap because x1800 gpus and triple core cpus exist would you?

if someone came into this forum and said the game doesnt run on their triple core with a x1800 would you seriously turn around and say ' its people like you that have made the game a disaster that it is' ? nope didnt think so.

consoles are an excuse for people.

its like a mother blaming her sons friends for leading him astray rather than identifying that her son is a little ♥♥♥♥ to start with.

WOW! Total jibberish! I mean do you have ANY CLUE about PC or console architecture? Cuz, from what you have said above it would suggest you are clueless!?

Consoles are completely destorying games atm.

For starters design. Console users typically don't spend the same amount of time playing games as PC users. Alot of console users want thier games to be accessible. This mean you end up with control system designed for a joypad with 2 analog sticks and 12 buttons i.e. LIMITED.

The problem is that, if the game was designed or even optimized for PC then it would make use of the fact that mouse control gives nearly perfect analog accuracy, unlike an analog stick. That is, aiming/moving with an analog stick just isn't as accurate. So the game itself will be designed so suit people who can't aim very well. Just look at the rediculous spread on guns in Halo! i.e. typical FPS issue here.

So, main point is that, how the game plays fundamentally is changed so that people who don't play lots of games and have a limited control system can still play. This makes for a lesser game!

Now on to graphics. Simply put my PC and alot of gamer PC's out there are many, many times more powerful than most the consoles. Infact the PS3 can push better graphics than it does, but, often things are toned down for the Xbox crowd, for example, Killzone 2/3 could never even come close to running on the 360, simplely not enough grunt.

The main point is that, for example, the 360 is 4/5 year old power PC hardware. In contrast, most PC gamers out there have machines that could push massively better graphics than are in many of games released recently. So, due to Devs wanting to maximise the amount of people they can sell to, the tone down the graphics to make sure it can run on the consoles.

These are the reasons people (and imho rightly so) blame consoles for some of the awful, hydroginous crap games that are relased currently.

I would suggest you go read almost anything on this subject before opening that projectile diarrhea hole you call a mouth! If you are so completely clueless about an issue then don't comment on it.

[wardrop (FoE)]

All i can say is, This is dungeon siege only in name.
The graphics are ok, the fire chicks ♥♥♥ is sightly but not worth $50.00 great sound.

No character customizations and freedoms that the first games had. I expected something that remotely resembled dungeon siege but instead i find a 4 class system, and gameplay that reminded me of some of the dungeons and dragons games xbox had out, down to chests and barrels. Scripted enemys run from off screen right down to you swinging.. linear maps.

What happened to the epic team that you could make and customize, with the donkey that kicked so much ♥♥♥. Thats what made dungeon siege such a great game, not to mention the great diversity of spells companions and items.

How ab9out the mod tools that allowed us to make epic worlds and pvp matches we could host. and the tons and tons of mods and addon players made that took the game to truly epic heights.

Guess they wouldn't fit on the ol xbox ehh.

The rest of the community has mentioned the other main issues.. those stem from the porting from console to pc.. a rather rushed job to say the least.
Im extremely disappointed. I wont be buying this game.. This is not Dungeon Siege. This is something all together different. Like a bad b movie. Like transmorphers (google it), in comparison to the transformers.

[Gel214th]

Oh dammit. I read the Eurogamer Review and bought it! You mean this DUngeon Siege was not designed to use a Mouse!? WTF?? I didn't see that there was a demo out before I bought :(

[DirtyHarry50]

You know, with all the console ports such as this I am starting to think that maybe I should try going with the flow. You know, get a 360 controller and turn my PC into a console for some games, like this one.

I know, sacrilege!!! But really, why not if it is fun to play that way and maybe it is? I can try the demo with a controller and see how it plays for me.

I feel like a traitor in a silly way but maybe it is silly to not try a console experience on PC and see if I enjoy it. It might be fun, who knows? I like racing games with a controller. I couldn't play them without one.

[kreed_uk]

snip....

I'm with Rumtruffle on this PC gamers are too easy to blame consoles these days when they find any problem with a game. Be it graphics controls or performance. But developers and publishers obviously go to where the money is and for some reason perhaps due to piracy PC games just aren't selling that well.

Even if developers release a bad console port such as GTAIV or Saints Row 2 we need to ask ourselves why did they decide to spend so little effort on the PC version?

If we want developers to put more effort on PC games we've got to show them that we can make them a ♥♥♥♥ load of money. Stop blaming consoles it achieves nothing. In fact, perhaps we should be thankful for them as the money they generate allows developers to take risks on the PC.

[kreed_uk]

You know, with all the console ports such as this I am starting to think that maybe I should try going with the flow. You know, get a 360 controller and turn my PC into a console for some games, like this one.

I know, sacrilege!!! But really, why not if it is fun to play that way and maybe it is? I can try the demo with a controller and see how it plays for me.

I feel like a traitor in a silly way but maybe it is silly to not try a console experience on PC and see if I enjoy it. It might be fun, who knows? I like racing games with a controller. I couldn't play them without one.

PC has being using controllers even before the time of the SNES. Using a controller with a PC doesn't turn it into a console and using a keyboard and mouse on a console doesn't turn it into a PC. Choose the control method that best suites you. Listening to what a bunch of guys say on a forum will rot your brain.

And a controller can be quite accurate even with one hand in a FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zki_GsuGp-Q

[Dolaiim]

I agree 100% with the negative feedback here. Some folks still on a fence may wonder what the big deal is with the issues listed, thinking "well surely they'll get used to it." But it's important to understand the effect of the problems listed here: It completely ruins immersion. My favorite games somehow allow me to forget I'm playing a game. Playing DS3 feels like watching someone else play a game you don't really understand or care about. You sit there wondering how long you should watch your buddy tinker around before you can politely leave and do something else. Problem is, your "buddy" in this case is you. The way you feel while playing is so awkward and slimy, at times it literally made me question my own perception.. At certain points Ithought "do I need to get my eyes checked?" or "do I have cerebral palsy?"

You know, another thing that really irritates me are the favorable reviews I'm seeing start to crop up. I mean jesus, this game needs to be lambasted, strung up, and publicly executed to serve as a warning to other developers.

Unfortunately, I'm getting more and more concerned about "payola" style scandals in gaming journalism.. I mean, look at what happened with 2k and Duke Nukem Forever, dropping their PR firm (The Redner Group) because they publicly threatened to blacklist journalists who gave bad reviews:

"Too many went too far with their reviews...we are reviewing who gets games next time and who doesn't based on today's venom.."

Scary stuff.

[kreed_uk]

The developers have already announced that a patch is being released to fix the control problems. Can we please stop flogging a dead horse.

[ire_wolf]

The developers have already announced that a patch is being released to fix the control problems. Can we please stop flogging a dead horse.

No, what they said was they would release a patch for keybinding. I didn't see any mention of being able to navigate/move/interact with the mouse or anything.

Perhaps make more usfull posts than telling other not to voice thier opinions, when they have shelled out £30/40 GPB for a game that is pretty awful.

Further more, calling itself Dungeon Siege 3 is almost mis-informing previous dungeon siege fans, as the game is nothing like the first two games.

If you like the game good for you, go play the game then, but, you have no right to tell others not to complain about a product they have paid for, on forums specifically designed for that purpose.

And a controller can be quite accurate even with one hand in a FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zki_GsuGp-Q

Are you trying to say that a controler is just as accurate? If you are, you couldn't be more wrong. If you want to argue that point go plug a controller into your PC and I will play with keyboard and mouse. Any game you wish to choose. If you could even kill me a 1/4 of the times I kill you I would be extremly surpized. Games are designed differently to work with controller this is fact!

Look at Halo. The spread on the guns is so massive, so that you don't really have to aim.

[Sarovak]

Yup, deleted the demo after just 14 minutes of play, everything about it sucked hard.

Developers didn't try, then neither will I.

[kpsnnf]

it isnt consolized, its obsidianized.. they had no experience in the dungeon siege series and it clearly shows, why they didnt follow 1 and 2's gameplay style ♥♥♥♥ knows.. stupid company.. 3 and a half hours in and i think im nearing the end of the game.. i dont get it.. why did they reduce a massive RPG into this linear zero customization semi adventure?

[cloud9inc]

First of all, I've enjoyed all the dungeon siege series, even the PSP versions. I tried to play DS2 again, and lost all good feelings for it... Click to move? I like dungeon crawlers, I love them, but nowadays things are fast paced... Clicking in the direction you want to go is just too nineties, or even too RTS.

I played the demo through, I tried kb and mouse first, I'm a FPS player, but I know some games aren't KB mouse friendly, (AKA, Racing games, Flight sims, etc.) So I have a 360 controller. I've been playing PC games since the dawn of Commander Keen, even then I used a joystick most of the time.

To say mouse and kb is what defines a PC from console is ludicris, it's like saying a tv and monitor are different... Nowadays they aren't, LCD's are LCD's, etc.

A console is Hardware static, PC's are dynamic and changing. There are gonna be ports because of the piracy of PC games.. Why spend extra money on something that will just be stolen anyways.
PC's will always be the minority.. Face it, just the way it is, consoles are cheaper for people.

In summary, I am happy with the game as a fast paced dungeon crawler, it's control scheme is based on the console controllers, but who cares, the 360 controller uses USB... There are no longer set controls for console and PC... Before long people will be using motion on PCs, what then? PC's adapt, consoles are always behind in the times, (Most of the time). Controllers were used on PC's before the console even existed. The mouse was popular from the Macintosh, So does that mean it's an apple symbol, or is it a pc? I mean it was invented in the 50's on a super computer... Not a PC (Personal Computer).. So to say a mouse defines PC is so ignorant and naive.

I'm done, pick this apart or ignore my lecture. :)

[eltaro]

don't care about almost all issues with this game. I only care about the simplification when porting.

The 'borrowing console games' is proportionally much more damaging for the console market than piracy issue on PCs.

[halororor]

Meh, I'm having fun with the game. Would have been more fun had it stayed closer to its formula, but heh, not bad.

[ire_wolf]

WOW your an idiot! Where to start?

First of all, I've enjoyed all the dungeon siege series, even the PSP versions. I tried to play DS2 again, and lost all good feelings for it... Click to move? I like dungeon crawlers, I love them, but nowadays things are fast paced... Clicking in the direction you want to go is just too nineties, or even too RTS.

Just because you say it's so 90's doesn't make it so. Dragon age or WOW (still one of the most pleyed games in the world) are point and click.

To say mouse and kb is what defines a PC from console is ludicris, it's like saying a tv and monitor are different... Nowadays they aren't, LCD's are LCD's, etc.

I wouldn't go so far to say that mouse and keyboard define PC gaming from consoles, but, it is a rather large part of it. For a game like this it shouldn't be too important, but, simply put aiming with a mouse is and always will be massively more accurate than using an anaolg stick. Not to mention you have a tiny amount of buttons available on the controller compared to the keyboard.

As to "LCD's are LCD's", oh wow! You really have zero idea of what your talking about. LCD monitors and LCD TV's are still very, very different beasts. There are many differences, but, one of the main massive ones would be supported resolutions.

A console is Hardware static, PC's are dynamic and changing. There are gonna be ports because of the piracy of PC games.. Why spend extra money on something that will just be stolen anyways.
PC's will always be the minority.. Face it, just the way it is, consoles are cheaper for people.

Is this even a point? What are you trying to say/prove with this?

In summary, I am happy with the game as a fast paced dungeon crawler, it's control scheme is based on the console controllers, but who cares, the 360 controller uses USB... There are no longer set controls for console and PC... Before long people will be using motion on PCs, what then? PC's adapt, consoles are always behind in the times, (Most of the time). Controllers were used on PC's before the console even existed. The mouse was popular from the Macintosh, So does that mean it's an apple symbol, or is it a pc? I mean it was invented in the 50's on a super computer... Not a PC (Personal Computer).. So to say a mouse defines PC is so ignorant and naive.

This isn't even factually true. The first documented mouse was around mid 60's. Infact, Bill English, builder of Engelbart's original mouse, invented the ball mouse in 1972 while working for Xerox PARC. The track ball was around early 50's. Like most of your post, this is just opinionated drivel. Your complete and utter lack of understanding is mind boggling.

To try to say that the mouse isn't one of the things that defines PC gaming is, in your words "ignorant and naive". The fact that 90% of PC games use keyboard and mouse, the fact that no other main gaming platform uses keyboard and mouse, the fact that FPS was origionally designed for PC and for keyboard and mouse are all reasons, why keyboard and mouse are a massive part (not all) of what defines PC gaming.

You claim to have been playing since the early Commander Keens. This would suggest that you are at late twenties if not older. I find it bizarre that someone of your maturity can be not only be so completely clueless about the PC you have apperently be using for so long, but also, be so utterly uselss at actually forming any kind of relavant or coherent arguemnt?!

[farky84hun]

I have pre-purchased it. I'm playing the campaign right now. I gotta agree with others complaining before me.

- The game is extremely simplified so even a monkey with an xbox controller can play it through.
- It is way too easy on normal difficulty.
- you can only control 1 character, and only cnfig the party members
- I've expected much much more from the graphics. (Guys please start developing real stunning dx11 graphics!!!!!!) Why the hell did i buy a high-end graphics card for the price of a consloe???? I remember DS2 looked pretty good in its time.
- F**K consolekids. They are pulling back PC game quality for years now so that their pity console may still have market...

anyway, gotta play the whole campaign. maybe the story can cheer me up till the end... :)

farky84hun

[farky84hun]

sorry forgot to mention pros:

i am most happy to see that there are games developed for loacl coop gameplay. it is pretty fun to play with my girlfriend with 2 controllers sitting next to each other. This is a really good point for me!

[Herbalacious]

I'm inclined to agree..not to blame consoles for poor PC controls. It's poor management during game development. Whoever made these controls should have gotten some people to at least test them. Doubt that ever happened lol.

It's a sad reality, but I expect all console ports to prefer the controller over the kb/mouse. Just look at all of the previous ports.. Assassin's Creed 2, Batman, Prince of Persia, Dead Space 2, Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry 4, Darksiders, Just Cause 2, etc. All of em play better imo with the controller. They are all fun too and play just as well if not better on the PC. Wish the Castlevania's got ported.

Maybe I should get a console? Hah. Can't play Rift on a console. Or games like Dawn of War, Starcraft, etc. I've owned all the consoles from nes/sega master system, snes/genesis, n64/dreamcast and both generations of xbox/ps. I still have the sega master system/snes/and ps1 lol. Ended up selling the rest to friends. These days I'd rather own digital copies of my games and play them at max res! Got MSI 6950 tf3's in x-fire. Plays everything 1920x1080(1080p) great on a 23".

Dunno for sure, but I'm thinking Mass Effect 3, Warhammer Space Marine, Skyrim, etc will have controller support and these games will all (hopefully) be better than the pile we see here. Whether or not I play them with the controller remains to be seen, but looking down my gamer history at all the other ports I've played..I won't be surprised if I do play them on the controller.

I'm all for console ports, but this game is simply crap. Controls aside it's just another crappy rpg all the way around. Not because it's not like the original series, but because the game is predictable from story to combat. This game has been dumbed down to almost the basics of rpg gaming. Boring dialog, boring quests, boring combat (will probably use the same technique thru the entire game and only swap weapons for boss fights), too linear of a path. I'll grab this when it goes on sale for 10 bucks or less..as a gift for a my cousin who's turning 12 this year lol.

[enaktsb]

For me it's pretty obvious who's responsible for the negative stuff everyone mentions. Square Enix... It seems every game they touch comes out all "weird dialog", "bad story" (Supreme Commander 2 anyone?) and "clumsy mechanics" (Alpha Protocol?). Also, has anyone noticed how they repeat the name of the main villain in the intro. It's Jayne Kassynder over and over again in every sentence. Looks like very bad writing or a hasty translation.

But still - I kinda like it, despite all the flaws... Sorry. :) The hack'n'slash stuff is still there. Some of the skills are very nice, especially later in the game and if you have a 360 pad the game controls just fine. Anyway - it's just a time-filler until better games come out (D3, Torchlight 2).

But I agree - if you want to save some money and you played the demo and didn't like it that much - STAY AWAY. ;) Wait for the bargain bin I say... It should be all patched up by then too.

[Rotemetoot]

Square Enix slowly becomes a sort of EA-like Wh()re-abortion...

The final fantasy series are not the final fantasy series anymore simply because THE TEAM WHO MADE THE EPIC FF MOVED AWAY, but the name "FF" renames but there is a different (pretentious) team behind it...
That is the same as wanting a child paint the mona lisa.

Now WHEN DID SQUARE ENIX DELIVER A GAME THAT DIDN'T HAVE CONSOLITIS????
Please answer me this.

[Foulplay]

Dungeon Siege 3 is the new definition of consolitis.

I played the demo last night.

Its the worst ♥♥♥♥ing consolish crap i've probably ever seen:

- Character bios have 5 lines of text viewable at once and the rest of the UI/inventory/character screen is all similarly garbage.

- UI and HUD that takes up a huge part of the screen

- In-game you either keyboard turn or you have to hold alt to turn with your mouse which still sucks anyway

- In-game HUD is not clickable- infact nothing in game is clickable you have to walk up to anything and press E. You wanna loot an enemy? You have to manually walk up and press E. Open a door? Same thing. No click-and-auto-move-to-target here.

- All left click does is attack- thats it. Right clicking you'd think would be to change camera view but no all right click does is make you go forward. You wonder why they even gave you a mouse cursor to begin with.

- mouse wheel in any direction just alternates between 2 zoom views. Even if its the same direction of the mouse scroll, eg. scroll back zooms back OR forward, the mouse scroll is just a toggle.



This is an unmitigated disaster of a port. Its a straight console to PC port and i'm glad I don't give a damn about DS series anyway (Just played DS 1 back in the day, it was ok).

Don't buy this and reward developers for garbage like this.

Even though I personally didn't care for DS3 to begin withh, DS was an iconic PC game for its time and its yet another in a long list of IPs ruined for pacifier-sucking/idiot frat console babies.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS

I still enjoy it, so...meh....:)

[AlaCarcuss]

It's funny because most people who have played the games and then played Obsidian's sequels to the games hate Obsidian. Kotor 1 was great, Kotor 2 was good, but not as good as the first.

Most people? Perhaps, but that's because most people represent the "lowest common denominator" gamers that are being targeted by the big developers (hello Bioware) these days.

Disregarding DS3's obvious flaws, Obsidian are a great RPG developer - sure their games tend to have plenty of bugs on release (they're better at designing RPG's than coding them), but are patched up pretty quickly.

New Vegas for instance, is infinitely superior to FO3 as an RPG. Though unfinished, KOTOR2 is a much better RPG than KOTOR and features much better writing and story. NWN2 + expansions (particularly Mask of the Betrayer) are much better than Bioware's original.

It's a shame that only long term, hardcore RPG player's recognize Obsidian's quality as an RPG developer. Given the same budget and resourses as Bioware/Bethesda, I have no doubt they would produce far superior games.

So yeah, the "Most people" you refer to in your post, are the reason we get these dumbed down (streamlined) pieces of s**t games labeled as RPG's these days. :mad:

[Cut2TheChase]

New Vegas for instance, is infinitely superior to FO3 as an RPG.

I must disagree on that one my friend, FO3 is sooooooooooo much better then Vegas, it bored the hell out of me. - Just my personal opinion.

Anyway, as for the guy who goes meh, meh back.
DS3's loot system alone makes me barf.
It's garbage.

[MrFuriousX]

I think my main objection is the dungeon siege was made popular and given its selling power on and by the PC. People loved DS1 and DS2 and like me thousands of PC gamers saw this and rejoiced.

What has got most people riled up is not that the only thing this has in common with the Dungeon Siege series is its name, its the fact a game so steeped in PC gaming lore has had such contempt shown to their version of the game.

Though in the end this is just another example of how consoles has destroyed the quality of games. I have no idea why people still want to buy and play on these outdated and prehistoric pieces of hardware. Technology has vastly moved on since the PS3 and Xbox360 and yet people are still sucked in by the con of low hardware prices and high game/pearipheral prices.

[bushwhacker2k]

Most people? Perhaps, but that's because most people represent the "lowest common denominator" gamers that are being targeted by the big developers (hello Bioware) these days.

Disregarding DS3's obvious flaws, Obsidian are a great RPG developer - sure their games tend to have plenty of bugs on release (they're better at designing RPG's than coding them), but are patched up pretty quickly.

New Vegas for instance, is infinitely superior to FO3 as an RPG. Though unfinished, KOTOR2 is a much better RPG than KOTOR and features much better writing and story. NWN2 + expansions (particularly Mask of the Betrayer) are much better than Bioware's original.

It's a shame that only long term, hardcore RPG player's recognize Obsidian's quality as an RPG developer. Given the same budget and resourses as Bioware/Bethesda, I have no doubt they would produce far superior games.

So yeah, the "Most people" you refer to in your post, are the reason we get these dumbed down (streamlined) pieces of s**t games labeled as RPG's these days. :mad:

Odd comment, most people who dislike Obsidian's games are the reason Obsidian makes bad games? ... how convoluted.

KotOR was much better than KotOR 2, which had way more bugs, the characters weren't (for the most part) as likeable and the story overall didn't really make sense. You got to get to higher levels though, so that's a plus.

Fallout: New Vegas had way more bugs than FO3, FO3 had a better story. But I admit I did like some aspects of New Vegas that they implemented.

But one thing I can't let slide, NWN2 better than the original? xD oh man, people must look for totally different things in games, NWN2 (ESPECIALLY mask of the Betrayer) wasn't even HALF as good as the original.

And to be honest, those are the only noteworthy games Obsidian has released at all. KotOR2 and FO: NV were both acceptable (though they really didn't add much the originals didn't already have) and NWN2 was a massive failure to me, first game is my fave game of all time, second one lost focus, like it was trying to be Baldur's Gate.

[Herbalacious]

Most people? Perhaps, but that's because most people represent the "lowest common denominator" gamers that are being targeted by the big developers (hello Bioware) these days.

Disregarding DS3's obvious flaws, Obsidian are a great RPG developer - sure their games tend to have plenty of bugs on release (they're better at designing RPG's than coding them), but are patched up pretty quickly.

New Vegas for instance, is infinitely superior to FO3 as an RPG. Though unfinished, KOTOR2 is a much better RPG than KOTOR and features much better writing and story. NWN2 + expansions (particularly Mask of the Betrayer) are much better than Bioware's original.

It's a shame that only long term, hardcore RPG player's recognize Obsidian's quality as an RPG developer. Given the same budget and resourses as Bioware/Bethesda, I have no doubt they would produce far superior games.

So yeah, the "Most people" you refer to in your post, are the reason we get these dumbed down (streamlined) pieces of s**t games labeled as RPG's these days. :mad:

Wrong. FO3 is way better in story than New Vegas. Yes Man robot? Are you kidding me? After gettin this far into the game that's what they came up with..lol weaksauce I'm sorry.

KOTOR 1 is also much better than 2 and NWN 1 is FAR superior in story/gameplay than NWN2.

[Zamav]

Odd comment, most people who dislike Obsidian's games are the reason Obsidian makes bad games? ... how convoluted.

KotOR was much better than KotOR 2, which had way more bugs, the characters weren't (for the most part) as likeable and the story overall didn't really make sense. You got to get to higher levels though, so that's a plus.

Fallout: New Vegas had way more bugs than FO3, FO3 had a better story. But I admit I did like some aspects of New Vegas that they implemented.

But one thing I can't let slide, NWN2 better than the original? xD oh man, people must look for totally different things in games, NWN2 (ESPECIALLY mask of the Betrayer) wasn't even HALF as good as the original.

And to be honest, those are the only noteworthy games Obsidian has released at all. KotOR2 and FO: NV were both acceptable (though they really didn't add much the originals didn't already have) and NWN2 was a massive failure to me, first game is my fave game of all time, second one lost focus, like it was trying to be Baldur's Gate.

Kotor 2 was better than 1. It was just incomplete, otherwise it was better in every single way.

Didn't played New Vegas.

NWN2 and especially the Mask of the Betrayer, stomps then spits on original NWN, single player wise. Multiplayer was crap, but single player was great. NWN1 was the other way around.

Obsidian is capable of making really good games, but they're limited by some ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag up top making bad decisions for everyone. Thats their greatest weakness, as clearly shown with this game.

[BokChoy]

what's happening to game these days.I love playing my games with keyboard and mouse i could never play with a controller.I just don't like what im seeing with games companies all these games lately like dragon age 2 crysis 2 have just been horrible console ports.

I believe its because its just so much cheaper to develop games for a set hardware configuration, especially now they are something like 6 years old. Consoles run OpenGL 2 and DirectX 9 (PC are on 4 and 11) Why spend all that money training people to stay abreast of new developments when they can just keep coding away like it's 2006 and people still keep buying your games.
I'd be seriously pissed if I was a console gamer I like my HD to actually be HD res, not 1040x600 or worse that is then upscaled

[SkaP]

Finally got around to playing the demo. I was really looking forward to Dungeon Siege 3 since the games being released this summer are just abysmal and there hasn't been a good multiplayer hack and slash/loot game in some time. With that said I was so disappointed with the demo. 2 things just absolutely stopped me from even thinking of buying this game now.

1. Controls are god awful and not adjustable. I am left handed and I can not play with WASD. It's ridiculously uncomfortable and is just impossible to use the space button to dodge. It's 2011 enough with this lack of not being able to map your controls. Console or PC it shouldn't matter, mapping your controls should be an industry standard and games should not be released without them.

2. Camera is stupid awkward. Every battle I found myself slashing at nobody becasue you only slash at that which is in front of you camera wise. I could not find a way to hit enemies behind my character without turning the camera to face them. No other hack and slash does this. They all allow you to attack in a full 360 degrees around your character no matter where the camera is. I should be able use my mouse to point in their direction to attack and my character should turn around and slash them to death.

Not buying this game now. Might buy it if it lets me map controls but for me in the way the game is currently, it is unplayable. And no I will not go pay 20 bucks for a XBOX controller to play one game.

It really is a shame since the games from June to August all are terrible and DS3 could have been a nice hold over game for a lot of people.

[eltaro]

Enjoyed the singleplayer campaign despite all the issues.

Started online multiplayer... :D ahahahaha obsidian are kidding right? "welcome back couch co-op"? **** YOU! shared camera? How many people sit on couch while playing an RPG on PC? and how do 4 people fit on a couch again? And because none of this happens we do multiplayer over internet using keyboard and mouse. shared camera for 4 people on a PC game... I lack words to express my emotions.

Not talking about all other issues like only the lead character has your saves. Even if you are lvl 30 and all legendary... the only person who will have that is the lead char, not you... so leave the game after e.g. 10 hours of playing with someone you don't know (I know that rarely happens, but for now let it happen) and you loose all that progress. You understand? it's not saved on your pc or steam cloud! you understand people? someone prove me wrong please. This is the first time in my life when I want to be proven wrong so much.

Edit: I see they are also planning to release DLCs for this game. nice ^_^ guess who's gonna buy it?

[halororor]

pacifier-sucking/idiot frat console babies.


Heh, you're just angry because they can get laid and you not.

[carLow]

dungeon siege 1 was such a great game...
dungeon siege 2 was crappier, but playable
and this.. this............... i lack words to describe what is this.

[Hav]

this............... i lack words to describe what is this.

Not quite as much fun as 'space siege'?

I deleted the demo after 45 minutes. Horrendous extension to the series.

[Snowhawk]

worst Dungeon Siege ever...

I hope it will sell so bad as supreme commander 2 wuahahaha

[bledking]

Just do us a favor and release it on console only. Even a low-budget title like Torchlight plays infinitely better than this.

[Wilhuf]

User-bindable controls on PC version would do a LOT to fix DS3. I'd like to use Guild-Wars style controls (e.g., right mouse to control view, rather than middle mouse). Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

The lack of control customization is the main factor holding DS3 back from being a decent game, IMO.

Well, it would also be nice if the drops that the characters equip would actually, um, show up on the characters.

Oh and we should be able to mouse click on drops to pick them up rather than an interact "e" command.

[EvilTelephone]

Just do us a favor and release it on console only. Even a low-budget title like Torchlight plays infinitely better than this.

This doesn't do me a favor. I played through the demo and I quite liked the KB/Mouse controls. I actually wasn't really interested in the game, but after reading this forum thread, I downloaded the demo and have since been converted in to a customer. I look forward to playing it when it comes out.

The controls are like an optimized version of the old school point-and-click controls of Torchlight and Titan Quest. The controls in those games were OK, but in my opinion, DS3's controls are far better.

I'm now really hoping that Diablo 3 has an option to set up the controls like they are in DS3. That would be sweet.

[Afroleft2001]

If this is the way Steam are happy to go now, what with their "No Refund on downloaded software" policy (Uh do you do ANY other kind) I for one am voting with my feet.
You get no more of my money Steam, not impressed that this was even presented to the PC market via you guys.
Steam used to have some street cred, used to be a home of odd, interesting games. Now it's just mass market trash.
I'm looking for a refund as of the now. Better make a policy change as you're about to lose a lot of love.

[Afroleft2001]

This doesn't do me a favor. I played through the demo and I quite liked the KB/Mouse controls. I actually wasn't really interested in the game, but after reading this forum thread, I downloaded the demo and have since been converted in to a customer. I look forward to playing it when it comes out.

The controls are like an optimized version of the old school point-and-click controls of Torchlight and Titan Quest. The controls in those games were OK, but in my opinion, DS3's controls are far better.

I'm now really hoping that Diablo 3 has an option to set up the controls like they are in DS3. That would be sweet.

You are a moron

[Afroleft2001]

DO NOT BUY THIS GAME, THE MULTIPLAYR IS WRETCHEDLY POOR

[omnipace]

I'm glad I read the forums. After the totalwar incident I stopped preordering and always read the forums about what to buy. I was expecting a game that lives to its legend, but as I see DSIII is no such one.

Making console games was profitable because of protection against piracy, but it was before the age of steam. I believe steam makes the developers profit much more then they can dream in the past. Also console protections are ineffective in this decade. I own all the major consoles, but have only 2 games for each. I sell games once I'm bored. But in PC using steam I own 76 games and a great deal of them are first week games.

Developers should thik twice about PC gaming... PC gaming has gone past the destructive age of piracy. Now developers have steam. They should prioritize PC gaming.

[DirtyHarry50]

I'm glad I read the forums. After the totalwar incident I stopped preordering and always read the forums about what to buy. I was expecting a game that lives to its legend, but as I see DSIII is no such one.

What was the Total War incident?

[bryonhowley]

Meh, I'm having fun with the game. Would have been more fun had it stayed closer to its formula, but heh, not bad.

I thought the demo was good and am waiting for Steam to unlock it.

[omnipace]

What was the Total War incident?

Empire total war from CA was so so much buggy that the game has become partly playable 8 months after the release... It was advertised as a grade A game, but was only a grade F game with unlimited bugs that lead to crashes.

Before the release of napoleon, the bugs and complaints thread (about 500 or more pages long, not sure) was removed by newly replaced administrators of CA forums.

[DirtyHarry50]

Empire total war from CA was so so much buggy that the game has become partly playable 8 months after the release... It was advertised as a grade A game, but was only a grade F game with unlimited bugs that lead to crashes.

Before the release of napoleon, the bugs and complaints thread (about 500 or more pages long, not sure) was removed by newly replaced administrators of CA forums.

Hmm... that game is on my wishlist too. I hope it's working better now. Of course, I will check its forums, etc. before I purchase.

[Nebz]

I played the demo as much as I could stand, it's awful. Maybe the full version ships with a free xbox to play it on.

It's obviously a bad console port when you have to walk up to dropped loot and wait for an icon to appear, then press a key to pick up the item.

If you were hoping for diablo 2 clone type awesomeness, this isn't it. Not at all.

[Nebz]

This doesn't do me a favor. I played through the demo and I quite liked the KB/Mouse controls. I actually wasn't really interested in the game, but after reading this forum thread, I downloaded the demo and have since been converted in to a customer. I look forward to playing it when it comes out.

The controls are like an optimized version of the old school point-and-click controls of Torchlight and Titan Quest. The controls in those games were OK, but in my opinion, DS3's controls are far better.

I'm now really hoping that Diablo 3 has an option to set up the controls like they are in DS3. That would be sweet.


The controls in DS3 are NOTHING like torchlight or titans quest. Point and click in DS3? What ♥♥♥♥ing game were you playing?

[Dread1021]

Can we just all admit that 'PC gamers' hate video games?

[Lifeshield]

Can we just all admit that 'PC gamers' hate video games?

Lol, indeed.

[EvilTelephone]

The controls in DS3 are NOTHING like torchlight or titans quest. Point and click in DS3? What ♥♥♥♥ing game were you playing?

I never said DS3 had point and click controls. Perhaps you should re-read my post.

[Cut2TheChase]

Can we just all admit that 'PC gamers' hate video games?

Oh just shut up, what an idiotic remark.

[Nebz]

I never said DS3 had point and click controls. Perhaps you should re-read my post.

"The controls are like an optimized version of the old school point-and-click controls of Torchlight and Titan Quest."



Not sure if you're trolling or just really really stupid.

[DirtyHarry50]

Can't we all just get along?

[Afroleft2001]

Can we just all admit that 'PC gamers' hate video games?

Define "video games" and while we're at it, define the decade you're living in.
PC gamers don't hate "video games" we hate bad ports of what was originally a decent title on PC in the first place.
We hate being let down by game devs that clearly have forgotten their roots in the interests of cashing in.
We hate seeing a screen where there isn't enough room to manouver 4 players in co-op.
We hate large graphics that are designed for TV but just get in the way on a PC. I mean is it just me or are the "paths" in this game way too ♥♥♥♥ing narrow?
We hate a control system that can't be edited to make left and right into strafe instead of sickeningly rotating the screen.
Yeah, there are a lot of things I hate about console games that make me stay with my totally flexible, configurable and upgradeable clunky old style black box, keyboard and mouse.
I'm suck to my heart of ♥♥♥♥ty ports from consoles. DICE responded when people started to shout about Battelfield maps.
Hopefully SQUARE ENIX will do the same about DS 3.

[Ithiel]

TBH, the only reason I haven't been pushing to try and get a refund for this is because I want to keep the steam versions of DS1/2 that came with it.

I think they'll eventually fix some of the issues to make it semi playable, but by that stage it will be 6-12 months old and ready for the bargain bin, so im a little pissy that I've paid full price for something to get it on release day only to find out its still under construction. lol.

[ire_wolf]

TBH, the only reason I haven't been pushing to try and get a refund for this is because I want to keep the steam versions of DS1/2 that came with it.

I think they'll eventually fix some of the issues to make it semi playable, but by that stage it will be 6-12 months old and ready for the bargain bin, so im a little jaratey that I've paid full price for something to get it on release day only to find out its still under construction. lol.

That copy you recived for pre-ordering is free btw and had been for sometime. For starters it's the "special" single player only versions of the games.

Can get a free and legal (single player only) copy of Dungeon siege 2 from here: http://www.brothersoft.com/games/dungeon-siege-ii-single-player.html

( There a link for a single player version the firt game somewhere as well, but, you get the idea. )

This is a completely legitimate, legal and free software download portal. So those free copies of Dugeon Seige 1&2 you got for pre-ordering really were, ahem, "free".

So, not only did they give you a shoddy game game, but, the thing you got for pre-ordering was totally free to everyone anyway :/

Can we just all admit that 'PC gamers' hate video games?

No, but, Im sure everyone could agree to hate you on the other hand ;p (Joking!)

No, what peopel hate is when a company puts very little work and/or effort into a game, lies about how it as developed and still expect you to pay £30/40 GBP for what is esentially total rubbish. More to the point they missed out on an oppertunity to make another Dungeon Siege, which people might have enjoyed.

Instead they just used the name to make a quick, and probably large, buck. Hence in all lightly hood destroying the franchise while also ripping everyone off :/

Sigh.

[eltaro]

The above is really disturbing :D they pwned us into pre-purchasing to just get the DS1&2 games that were free anyway. The people who had known that those games are free were few in number and probably none dwell on this forum... till now >_> when it's a bit too late is it not.

I also agree about them releasing a half-*ssed game with a title familiar to many. And they are planning to get DLCs released to rip off a bit more...

I read many interviews about the development of this game. And now I have the finished product. Looking over those interviews now I see that they AVOIDED the parts in which this game lacked by saying "We will elaborate on this in future" or "We are not prepared to release details on this yet". Which means they were completely aware of what they were doing. They knew all of it. Prove me wrong?

But still it had a fun singleplayer campaign with no reward (endgame content) whatsoever.

Edit: I think I was wrong about the DS1 and DS2 being freely available. Comparing the size of the two copies of same game. The copy provided by the above mentioned site is 900mb (a size of a demo), while the DS2 version on Steam is 2.2gb (the size of a real game of that time) of total size. I am very sorry if I mislead anyone and they initiated legal actions against this conspiracy. xD

I have deleted the relevant lines from my post.

Edit2: btw it's 19/06/2011 23:11 here. Did anyone else notice that the www.dungeonsiege.com was down for almost 12 hours now and is still. I wonder what they are planning.

[Entrio]

btw it's 19/06/2011 23:11 here. Did anyone else notice that the www.dungeonsiege.com was down for almost 12 hours now and is still. I wonder what they are planning.


Hopefully anonymous was as happy with the game as us and dishing out justice :D

[Canarith]

You are a moron

Coming from a guy that couldn't make a proper English sentence in his previous post, that statement is rather a funny bit of irony.

[Draxonic]

Wow! Thank goodness I came to the forums and saw this before I bought it! Thank you so much for saving me from purchasing such a disaster!

[eltaro]

their www.dugeonsiege.com is up and running again. Cannot see any apparent changes. Won't make any guesses of what it might have been. :O

This thread has exhausted it's lifespan and is nearing closure... I think.

[hopfrog16]

their www.dugeonsiege.com is up and running again. Cannot see any apparent changes. Won't make any guesses of what it might have been. :O

This thread has exhausted it's lifespan and is nearing closure... I think.

Ohhhhh, not yet. We still have the upcoming american release... =P

[Hell Scream]

If only i'd red this before wasting my money.....

im sick of pre-ordering games thinking that the devs will actually bring out quality games on the pc any more.... i'll believe it when i see it from now on. instead of pre-ordering these crappy console ports.

They really should make a new Category;
"Console Port"

No seriously. We should write a list of defects which commonly define a console port:
average textures
Severe lack of configuration options (Wheres our ♥♥♥ FOV slider you jerks! It's 2011! (not for this game))
etc.

[baz]

I agree. It's nasty. There isn't even any keybinding option. I can't even figure out how to save. Anyone?

[zeruel83]

Adding my 2cents, since some regions appear to get a delayed release on PC.

DS3 is a lazy port of a console game.

It is pretty evident that modifying the game to suit the PC market was low on the list of priorities. Obsidian and Square-enix do not deserve your money for this title. Avoid.

Multiplayer flaws

All players share a fixed camera, perhaps suitable on a console in local multiplayer. Inexcusable in a PC release.
Character saves are on the host only. You want to develop a character of your own with your mates? Forget it. All character progress stays with the host.


I'd be willing to look past other design issues, like lack of keybinding remapping (patch coming) and the very obvious UI design concessions transplanted from the console release were it not for the awful multiplayer support on PC.

Dungeon crawling with your mates online is one of the big attractions of this genre on PC and DS3 wears it's development and publisher laziness on it's sleeve. Don't reward them with further profit from the PC platform.

Note:
This game was gifted to me by an friend excited for cooperative play, so it cost me nothing. That's right I paid nothing for this game and I still feel ripped off. Take a guess how he feels...

[ElizLestrad]

Hmm, knowing that keyboard mapping is going to be put in does alleviate some major concerns, hopefully though they include mouse with that. I also hope they throw in an option to disable mouse movement so all movement is handled by the keyboard and attacks/abilities on the mouse.

If they give (or start to give, depending how you look at the whole situation) DS3 the proper PC Support a AAA title deserves I think they'll have something quite good, and as far as the interface difficulties go, they can be ignored rather easily as its all just cosmetic.

[carLow]

Guys, try playing with an xbox 360 controller..

I know its not an excuse but at least the game becomes playable on single player....

It IS a console game and it plays like one, but after spending 50 bucks on this crap its better then nothing....

After playing it for about 2 hours I can say its a pretty mediocre game, nothing special but its not completely horrible/broken... I give it a 6 out of 10. (with pc controls was like 1 out of 10).

[carLow]

My impressions so far:

1. The whole game is basicaly corridors connected together, and some areas that are like "houses" or "dungeons" but they all are linear, so in practice they also are corridors glued togheter.

2. The loot system is crap, you just grab everything, equip your character, and sell whats left on your bag. Everything extremely simple so a 8 year old child can handle with no problems.

3. You just control your character, and can have 1 companion at a time. You cant control or give orders to your companion. You can only equip him, and choose what abilities/traits/profiencies he have.

4. I dunno about the story because I am skipping all the dialogues. I noticed that sometimes you have to make a decision and basead on your decision you gain some stat boost. Cant tell if the decision affects the story because as I said I'm skipping all the dialog...

5. Bosses sucks and arent memorable...

I gues thats all.. Sorry for mistakes english is not my main language.

[eltaro]

I forgot that US version has not been released :O guess we will hang around a while longer.

I can almost guarantee to anyone in here that the US version will come with at least key-mapping feature... but first better make multiplayer camera work properly. If none of this is noticed ^_^ oh I won't have anything to say to obsidian guys anymore.

[Cut2TheChase]

2. The loot system is crap, you just grab everything, equip your character, and sell whats left on your bag. Everything extremely simple so a 8 year old child can handle with no problems.


There it is, dumbed down console port for 8 year olds.
That what this game is.

[eltaro]

^ I fit the category. I'm 8 years and 129 months old.

[bledking]

Well at this point I think everything's been said. Now if you agree with OP, don't buy this game. If you do buy it, don't whine when you get more of the same crap in future games from this company.

[Metro]

Guys, try playing with an xbox 360 controller..


People need to stop coming on PC forums and tell people to play a game with a controller unless it's a platformer.

[Graeystone]

^THIS!
Also not everyone owns an X-Box PC controller.

[xXJayeDuBXx]

People need to stop coming on PC forums and tell people to play a game with a controller unless it's a platformer.

And people need to stop complaining whenever someone mentions a controller on the forums.

[Hell Scream]

^
using controllers if you want to play console games on your pc...... it kind of defeats the purpose of wanting to play high quality pc games on your pc.

yes this game is more playable if you use a console controller on a console port... but that's just stupid. If you want to bring a console game to a pc... at least make it "PC'able".

u kno...

[Ithiel]

using controllers if you want to play console games on your pc...... it kind of defeats the purpose of wanting to play high quality pc games on your pc.

I couldn't agree more...

I have a PC and I have a PS3.

If I wanted to play this with a controller on a console, I would have purchased the PS3 version, but I wanted to play this with a keyboard and mouse on PC, so I bought the PC version.

If the developers didn't want to release a copy of this for the PC that properly uses the standard PC input device (KB+M) then they should have just left it on the consoles, otherwise they should have held off releasing the PC version until it was actually working correctly.

Now.. on the subject of making a game work correctly, has there been any update on when we can expect this mystical delameification patch?

[aegisfate117]

hmmm, you guys must have been playing a totally different demo because it was quite good

You're right. If YOU like it MUST be good to all of us.

[kreed_uk]

^THIS!
Also not everyone owns an X-Box PC controller.

I don't know. Some people on this thread seem a little too stubborn.

They also can't have been a PC gamer that long otherwise they would know that controllers have been a part of PC gaming for over a decade and a half.

[misterblort]

Yup you're totally right, things are getting out of hand..

[mdk5631]

The only thing I am disappointed about is the size of the game download, it seems they are limiting themselves to what will fit on a single dvd (f0r the xbox 360). That will mean mediocre textures for us PC people.

Other than that you guys sound like this to me:

"The new series of carriages have automobileitis"
"The brakes and springs are ♥♥♥♥!"
"I cant figure out how to hook up my horse correct!"

You have to face it PC gamer's only account for 10% of the video-game market. Except for old school games like Civilization and the MMO's, we are out of the equations.

And with kincet, Wii and touch screens on store shelves right now the mouse and keyboard will be going away even faster

So stop winning, get over yourselves and evolve...

[Ithiel]

So stop winning, get over yourselves and evolve...

To clarify, by 'evolve', you are asking us to purposley buy products we know are inferior, put up with their endless faults, and just blindley sit back and take a poorley finished product without complaint because we 'don't deserve any better'?

Are you freaking INSANE?!

No one is forcing these guys to release a PC version. What we are doing, however, is demanding that when they do - and we in turn pay good money for it - that we get a product that has been properly made.

Will they fix the problems? As much as can be done in a cost effective manner

Why? Profit. There'll be a continuation of this nonsense if they don't, and it will cost them more money thru lost sales to not address the issues.

Has this argument gone as far as it needs to? Good grief, yes.

The trolls are full, the audience is bored, and the developers are working on a fix (mind you, an update would be nice, but it has only been a few days I guess).

Once the patch has been released, people should be given the option to reevaluate:

If it DOES fix the problems to a satisfactory level, we can all get back to playing.
If it DOESN'T fix the problems to a satisfactory level, then Valve needs to give users the opertunity to request a refund/exchange/credit/whatever.

The solution isn't perfect, but it is the best of both worlds.

[eltaro]

The standards for games are lower on consoles. Especially on RPG titles. Fable 3 got 8.5/10 for Xbox 360 version... guess what it had on PC? 6/10
Then we were all amused as Mr. Molyneux spoke of Fable 4. Though I still trust him on doing a good job.

On topic. They have not put any effort into making a PC port whatsoever. The only ones who worked on a PC port were programmers. Who successfully translated it to run on Windows-based platforms. That was the end of it. Even if the don't get any sales at all on PC, they pretty much lose nothing. Because this game was made for console, not for PC ^_^ But as they can see!!! they ripped of quite a profit on this title because the DS1&2 fanbase was PC-only.

Though the above are just my theories and hold no fact value to anyone. There may well be some obsidian developer on lunch laughing about this post, drinking cranberry juice.

[jon_infektion]

I had a gut feeling this would happen

[Tricsun]

The only thing I am disappointed about is the size of the game download, it seems they are limiting themselves to what will fit on a single dvd (f0r the xbox 360). That will mean mediocre textures for us PC people.

Other than that you guys sound like this to me:

"The new series of carriages have automobileitis"
"The brakes and springs are ♥♥♥♥!"
"I cant figure out how to hook up my horse correct!"

You have to face it PC gamer's only account for 10% of the video-game market. Except for old school games like Civilization and the MMO's, we are out of the equations.

And with kincet, Wii and touch screens on store shelves right now the mouse and keyboard will be going away even faster

So stop winning, get over yourselves and evolve...

It's more like 50%, but whatever floats your boat.

[VA1N]

It's more like 50%, but whatever floats your boat.

Source?

[carLow]

People need to stop coming on PC forums and tell people to play a game with a controller unless it's a platformer.

bah.. stop being a crybaby..

im not saying you people are wrong about being mad,
yes the game still sucks,
yes its a console game,
yes one more time consoles destroyed a good PC franchise/game (crysis 2 and dragon age 2 passing thru my mind right now),

but the facts are simple.. 2 options: 1. try playing with a controller 2. forget about this game. choose your poison.

i play games for more then 20 years now, pc is my main plataform for about 15 years, and theres nothing wrong playing with a gamepad on your pc - plataformers, racing games (if you dont have a wheel), fighting games, and some sport games say hello




by the way, played for 5 hours now.. im playing with the sword/shield guy and cant seem to find the last companion (the male "mage").. im starting to think i missed him... =/

[xXJayeDuBXx]

^
using controllers if you want to play console games on your pc...... it kind of defeats the purpose of wanting to play high quality pc games on your pc.

yes this game is more playable if you use a console controller on a console port... but that's just stupid. If you want to bring a console game to a pc... at least make it "PC'able".

u kno...

It's actually not stupid at all. And where does it say because I play on the PC that I am forced to use a mouse and keyboard? Isn't the beauty of being a PC gamer is having the choice of how I want to play my games? I love my PC and using my mouse and keyboard, but I also like the comfort of a controller at times. I really don't see what's wrong with that.

[Hell Scream]

It's actually not stupid at all. And where does it say because I play on the PC that I am forced to use a mouse and keyboard? Isn't the beauty of being a PC gamer is having the choice of how I want to play my games? I love my PC and using my mouse and keyboard, but I also like the comfort of a controller at times. I really don't see what's wrong with that.

I completely agree with you, except, considering that DS2 worked quite well the way it was setup and controlled... its stupid to go backwards to this Epitomy of lazynes. They didnt adjust the graphics at all, but the least they could have done is make the controlls work well or be configurable to the most common controll method.

I have a PS3 as well as my PC, and i can even get a mouse and keyboard for my PS3. But im fairly sure you would have these kind of complaints if games on the PS3 started coming out designed for mouse and keyboard with no configurability or intuitive design for the console controller.

[xXJayeDuBXx]

I completely agree with you, except, considering that DS2 worked quite well the way it was setup and controlled... its stupid to go backwards to this Epitomy of lazynes. They didnt adjust the graphics at all, but the least they could have done is make the controls work well or be configurable to the most common controll method.

I have a PS3 as well as my PC, and i can even get a mouse and keyboard for my PS3. But im fairly sure you would have these kind of complaints if games on the PS3 started coming out designed for mouse and keyboard with no configurability or intuitive design for the console controller.

I agree, it was lazy not to give players the option to customize the controls.