why isnt duke nukem forever using more than 2 weapons?

[doginthemafia]

why can they use half life controls for consoles? that worked fine!
also i heard the demo is 9 months old, is that true? i hope so.

[Exploding-Man]

In regard to the title question: That's the question everyone has been asking. There was a proper weapon system in the really old Jace Hall preview that looked just fine (Along with a health system that was more traditional, which I would have liked to see more.), and now we get some weird system where we have to choose most efficient instead of most fun, which is lame for Duke. Probably the biggest uproar and the first thing to get modded in on PC.

In regard to the demo question: We aren't exactly certain yet.

[Clord]

Duke likes to smoke.

[bniall]

It was made for PAX which was indeed 9 months ago to enable them to show off part of the game.

Infact you may not even be able to play what was in the demo because that is what demos do. It demonstrates what you can do ie impressive shooting ♥♥♥♥ and awesome driving ♥♥♥♥.

Regarding weapon slots... they have either fixed it because of the whining or they could only put in 2 for the demonstration because it was half finished. Just don't hold me to that.

[den rare]

Duke likes to smoke.

Yup. Smoking is clearly the reason. You hear Duke panting after 3 seconds of sprinting and even me who is out of shape could last longer than that before panting. I'd understand this is he was carrying 10 weapons like in the old duke nukem games but he's only carrying two in Forever!

Conclusion? Smoking = Bad :(

[IcarusNine]

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard". It's not 1996 anymore."
-George Broussard

Not sure where a source for that is, but it's believable next to this (http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26031903#itemanchor_26031903). (Comments by GeorgeB3DR.)

[Nitronumber9]

It does seem a tad backwards.
Maybe Duke gains an item mid game>later on like Duke Vision to carry a whole heap of weaponry.

[Anotherwrld]

It does seem a tad backwards.
Maybe Duke gains an item mid game>later on like Duke Vision to carry a whole heap of weaponry.

You know how awesome this would be? Oh my god :eek:

[Nitronumber9]

You know how awesome this would be? Oh my god :eek:

The Duke Belt? Heck we have seen the Duke cave, and Duke vision, so why not the Duke Belt?

[BunnyP1e]

well looking at this achievement it is not looking good..

Gunslinger
Carry the gold pistol through the whole SP campaign

sounds like limited weapons threw out the whole game

[Anotherwrld]

The Duke Belt? Heck we have seen the Duke cave, and Duke vision, so why not the Duke Belt?

Yeah, seriously, finds it and makes some joke laughing at games for having max weapon carry restrictions. Pretty brilliant, I think.

[Godwhacker]

Yeah, I noticed that too. It's a throwback to Halo, rather than Call of Duty- in Call of Duty all the guns are pretty much alike, so it doesn't really matter that much. In Halo you have to switch out occasionally, but you usually have access to a decent rifle.

Many of Duke's weapons are too situational to want to hold onto for long. I really can't see that I'll be holding onto the shrink ray for an extended period of time.

I'd be fine with three weapons, but two... well, not looking forward to Friday as much as I was.

[Nitronumber9]

Yeah, seriously, finds it and makes some joke laughing at games for having max weapon carry restrictions. Pretty brilliant, I think.
"Ah finally, I'm not just some dual glock weilding monkey"

[MADDOGGE]

Because the people at Gearbox obviously don't know how to program using the unreal engine it seems. Other developer have no problem having more than 2 gun slots. More than the lousy FOV, no manual save, regen health, the Duke getting winded running 20 feet, limiting the weapons to 2 slots just ruins the feel of a Duke game. Just because that idiot Randy wanted to make the DNF a more serious realistic game doesn't mean the fans did.

[BunnyP1e]

the two weapons thing and regain health makes me fear for MP i was hoping for a old school style fast pace style run and gun now it is looking like every other game out now. shame guess i will have to wait till doom 4 is released to get my classic deathmatch fix (i hope doom 4 is not ruined eather)

[MADDOGGE]

the two weapons thing and regain health makes me fear for MP i was hoping for a old school style fast pace style run and gun now it is looking like every other game out now. shame guess i will have to wait till doom 4 is released to get my classic deathmatch fix (i hope doom 4 is not ruined eather)Be very afraid for Doom4. Rage has regen.:(

[Frugal]

Modding is the solution to every problem. I hope Gearbox lets it happen. That's what will keep this game alive, no amount of paid DLC can do that. Free updates...maybe... but not paid.

[Choster]

The king is dead. I am just waiting for Sam 3 now. Duke can wait until he hits the bargain bin of sales.

[Horklakian]

Duke likes to smoke.

Yeah, but then he can just take some steroids and negate the risk of smoking...and thereby hold more guns!

[Frugal]

I'm not sure how I feel about two weapons, but I do think it was a good choice to assign the pipe bombs to another button.

[nopistons420]

the 2 weapons deal is no big deal at all; but trolls need something to complain about after all this is SPUF and a new game is about to come out

im surprised noone has made a "DERP BOYCOTT DUKE" thread to be honest

[xdiesp]

They better be patching that s**t on day one, either them or some modder. I won't be playing Duke like some damn Halo tard.

[Nitronumber9]

Be very afraid for Doom4. Rage has regen.:(

But Rage also has the whole carry as many guns that can fit in your pockets as it can.

Doom however, I think its going really oldschool, after all its always been oldschool.

[somidiot]

But Rage also has the whole carry as many guns that can fit in your pockets as it can.

Doom however, I think its going really oldschool, after all its always been oldschool.

Duke should be just as old school it's not like it's had an update in .... I don't need to finish that sentence. The old school crowd is really the only reason to release Duke IMO.

[Sami69]

Why didn't they just have consoles that 2 weapon limitation and make pc without that cap? Its not like recoding whole game right? Let them explain it those console gamers why they get subpar game and stop ruining old school games!

[NasherUK]

One of the tips when you load DNF says "duke can bench press over 600 pounds". Yet he cant run more than about 20 meters :D

And yea the small FOV is bad, there better be a way to increase it :/

[Exploding-Man]

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard". It's not 1996 anymore."
-George Broussard

Not sure where a source for that is, but it's believable next to this (http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26031903#itemanchor_26031903). (Comments by GeorgeB3DR.) Well, that would be an awful stupid response to a community that unanimously hates the choice, wouldn't it?

"The control scheme in this game is crap." "Yeah, well welcome to the real world, ♥♥♥♥♥! In modern times, we make games that suck! Deal with it or go back to 1996!"

[Sami69]

Well, that would be an awful stupid response to a community that unanimously hates the choice, wouldn't it?

"The control scheme in this game is crap." "Yeah, well welcome to the real world, ♥♥♥♥♥! In modern times, we make games that suck! Deal with it or go back to 1996!"

^starts assembling timemachine^

[Tempest_Wales]

the 2 weapons deal is no big deal at all; but trolls need something to complain about after all this is SPUF and a new game is about to come out

im surprised noone has made a "DERP BOYCOTT DUKE" thread to be honest

Me too! I mean, I would despair for humanity if I took internet forum posts as representative of the human race!

Oh hey look its MADDOGGE! You found a game that you liked yet buddy? I mean, there are lots of games you just haven't bought and have campaigned tirelessly to stop people buying them and having fun!

[DoomyDoomDoom]

Well, that would be an awful stupid response to a community that unanimously hates the choice, wouldn't it?

"The control scheme in this game is crap." "Yeah, well welcome to the real world, ♥♥♥♥♥! In modern times, we make games that suck! Deal with it or go back to 1996!"

I know right? hilarious.:)

[NKC42]

Yup. Smoking is clearly the reason. You hear Duke panting after 3 seconds of sprinting and even me who is out of shape could last longer than that before panting. I'd understand this is he was carrying 10 weapons like in the old duke nukem games but he's only carrying two in Forever!

Conclusion? Smoking = Bad :(

Doesn't he smoke cigars only? You don't actually inhale cigars. You absorb the nicotine through mucus membranes in your mouth and then puff it out. Inhaling cigars is like drinking Everclear straight from the bottle.

[vmarkk]

Its the disgraceful heritage that crap like COD and HALO left for us.

[madafaka]

Its the disgraceful heritage that crap like COD and HALO left for us.

I smell Crysis 2

[Urh]

why isnt duke nukem using more than 2 weapons?

Hey, give the man a break. He's been sitting on his fat ♥♥♥ for over a decade. Dude needs to get back into shape before he can lug all that gear around.

[XenocideTR]

dude... Duke has the balls of steel and he can carry hundreds of weapons. he does not need to get back in the shape because he's the only one that equal to Chuck Norris. Cern is bull♥♥♥♥. They are working on wrong subject. they should collide chuck and duke. thats the cause of big bang and youre tellin me that duke should take a break? no way.

Duke should carry as many weapons as he want.

[TDZGamer]

..
Duke should carry as many weapons as he want.
That about sums it up for me.

Damn this consolefication trend. WTF console performance is already 2 generations behind the PC and next year we get another die shrink with better processors and GPUs consuming less power. The Xbox and PS3 are obsolete already.

I will not buy Far Cry 3 nor Rage thats for sure. Duke I would have bought anyway.

[Slxi]

He may have been sitting on his ♥♥♥ for over a decade but those girls have been working him hard (pardon the pun). Duke should have some damn good lower body strength by now but unfortunately those aren't guns in his pockets... he's just happy to be back.

In all seriousness it's Duke Nukem. He's an over-the-top, political-correctness-be-damned badass and would never willingly settle for a measly two weapons at a time.

[WO Saotome A.]

Damn this consolefication trend.

+1

Not much left to say here, PC games being ports of consoles is just wrong.

[Smilomaniac]

"Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard". It's not 1996 anymore."
-George Broussard

Not sure where a source for that is, but it's believable next to this (http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26031903#itemanchor_26031903). (Comments by GeorgeB3DR.)

Oh dear... I've defended console ports, but if this is the reason, then I am severely dissapointed in their choice. No wonder the explosives felt so clunky. Wow... honestly, I'd rather have waited another year for them to make the PC version as it should've been. Full arsenal and a regular health bar.

[Tarun]

Two words: Console Port

So you can thank consoles for screwing up what could have been a great game.

[Ranik]

Love how everyone is saying console port when the OP gives an example of a game that the console version handled multiple weapons JUST FINE.

Consoles can use more than 2 weapons just fine.

[Lucidius]

AIM DOWN FISTS!

-.-

[Tarun]

Love how everyone is saying console port when the OP gives an example of a game that the console version handled multiple weapons JUST FINE.

Consoles can use more than 2 weapons just fine.

Different, better, and more intelligent developer/distributor. Valve did much better with HL2 for consoles that Gearbox does.

[TimM]

The reason the duke can't run as far and only hold 2 weapons is to give the aliens a chance... or rather... let them think they have a chance and then brutally kill them for falling for it.

He tries to even the competition by limiting himself. Of course, it is impossible, he is the duke and if he were to lose his arms, he'd still be able to carry two weapons.

[Fearamoan]

when will people get over it? if you have all the weapons you may as-well just have them all in one gun that has infinite ammo and play a 2d scroll er.
yah, really it's that pointless

why does ammo come into it? - its a resource
if you have 5 guns you have 5 sets of ammo, if you make them all use the same ammo by means of some universal gun magic then people would complain about that too

if the game designers force you to use all the ammo from all the guns your forced to use every weapon whether you like it or not

with the two gun system you get to pick your favourites And not exploit anything or be forced to use a gun you don't want
it's called an intelligent game design decision

[Tarun]

^ Someone sounds like they never played Duke 3D.

[Darkie1337]

^ Someone sounds like they never played Duke 3D.

+rep

Fearamoan - You cannot talk about the "game design of two weapons" of Duke Nukem Forever until after you play Duke Nukem 3d. Sorry, Playing Halo and Cod does NOT give you the permission to talk about the 2-weapon design system here and then try force it to work. Do you know how the Weapon System worked in DN3D? No. You don't.

[Fearamoan]

snore, really? ok how about the projector rocket-pack bypass level?
it's hardly an exclusive game.

also, i don't play halo and i quit cod when people figured out how to hack it

the forever gun system works perfectly well, from a game design standpoint
what i would worry about is the game designers messing with your mouse
and waiting a good 30 mins before you get to shoot anything

sure, if i were duke i'd pick up an entire gun-rack and stick it on my back
but i'm not, and it is a game and having every gun at once just makes it cheese unless you put some meaning into getting them, like a boss fight for each weapon, but that would seem overly forced and very annoying
they didn't just sit around and pick their noses while one guy coded this game you know, they realised the gravitas of the situation and that gamers had 'supposedly' matured in the last 12 years

[Palamag]

snore, really? ok how about the projector rocket-pack bypass level?
it's hardly an exclusive game.

also, i don't play halo and i quit cod when people figured out how to hack it

the forever gun system works perfectly well, from a game design standpoint
what i would worry about is the game designers messing with your mouse
and waiting a good 30 mins before you get to shoot anything

sure, if i were duke i'd pick up an entire gun-rack and stick it on my back
but i'm not, and it is a game and having every gun at once just makes it cheese unless you put some meaning into getting them, like a boss fight for each weapon, but that would seem overly forced and very annoying
they didn't just sit around and pick their noses while one guy coded this game you know, they realised the gravitas of the situation and that gamers had 'supposedly' matured in the last 12 years

Every oldschool games had the «carry every weapon» Doom, HL1 and 2, quake,UT,Duke 3d. Every oldschool game did it. Why can't Duke Forever do it ? It's supposed to be an oldschool game. And what does maturity as to do in a video game ? Especially Duke Nukem.

[turtlesoup]

when will people get over it? if you have all the weapons you may as-well just have them all in one gun that has infinite ammo and play a 2d scroll er.
yah, really it's that pointless

why does ammo come into it? - its a resource
if you have 5 guns you have 5 sets of ammo, if you make them all use the same ammo by means of some universal gun magic then people would complain about that too

if the game designers force you to use all the ammo from all the guns your forced to use every weapon whether you like it or not

with the two gun system you get to pick your favourites And not exploit anything or be forced to use a gun you don't want
it's called an intelligent game design decision

so what you're saying is that this decision was made for the good of the game. reducing the amount of weapons you can carry, and providing infinite supply drops everywhere actually increases depth, instead of just catering to casuals.

[Steinin]

when will people get over it? if you have all the weapons you may as-well just have them all in one gun that has infinite ammo and play a 2d scroll er.
yah, really it's that pointless

why does ammo come into it? - its a resource
if you have 5 guns you have 5 sets of ammo, if you make them all use the same ammo by means of some universal gun magic then people would complain about that too

if the game designers force you to use all the ammo from all the guns your forced to use every weapon whether you like it or not

with the two gun system you get to pick your favourites And not exploit anything or be forced to use a gun you don't want
it's called an intelligent game design decision
Have you played a single first person shooter on the PC before the year 2000? Doom, you're juggling 4 different kinds of ammo, Duke nukem 9 kinds of ammo, Half-life (6-7+) Sin(8+?)), Serious Sam (5), etc. It's nothing game-breaking, it's not mentally taxing. Go experience freedom of weapon-choice! ... and fun!

[Nurglet]

Let's wait modders..

[LiqMat]

"why isnt duke nukem forever using more than 2 weapons?"

Because the final build was designed for dual core. (rolling drums)

:cool:

[the magpie]

Probably because switching between 2 guns is easier and faster for consoles (BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) than cycling through 8.

[Arska822]

Yeah i hate tis 2 weapon only crap.

[xDrJx]

...it's called an intelligent game design decision

:rolleyes:


...i quit cod when people figured out how to hack it

Poor guy, you can't play any game then :p

[Tempest_Wales]

The point is pretty moot, since every 20 metres there's a different gun for you to pick up, not really that big of a deal to be honest.

[mystrdat]

Because the people at Gearbox obviously don't know how to program using the unreal engine it seems. Other developer have no problem having more than 2 gun slots. More than the lousy FOV, no manual save, regen health, the Duke getting winded running 20 feet, limiting the weapons to 2 slots just ruins the feel of a Duke game. Just because that idiot Randy wanted to make the DNF a more serious realistic game doesn't mean the fans did.

I am clueless as to how did you get that high reputation posting such nonsense.

[turtlesoup]

I am clueless as to how did you get that high reputation posting such nonsense.

maybe because it's true, and anyone who knows the real duke would agree.

The point is pretty moot, since every 20 metres there's a different gun for you to pick up, not really that big of a deal to be honest.

obviously not a duke player. his defining role was that he could carry 10 guns, and shove a boot up your аss at the same time. unless he was low on health, in which case he might kick your аss later. the real duke does not have to decide which gun to pick up, because he can carry them all. when duke wants you to eat a rocket, he takes out his launcher and fires one off, not runs away to find one lying on the floor, like this imitation duke.

[PandaBear]

FPS's today sucks ♥♥♥♥ing balls TBH and its all becuse of multiplayer game.
All companies focuses more on MP rather than a good solid SP.
Look at the battlefield games or CoD, the SP looks good but you finish them in like a freaking day.
Iam not done yet, all todays games are so ♥♥♥♥ing linear wich only gives you the illusion of free will and choice.
Instead of letting the player explore diffrent paths to victory they are forcing the player to see everything.
Like 2 hours of cutscenes, programmers today are like 5 year old kids throwing a fingerpainting at you while shouting "LOOK! LOOK WHAT WE HAVE DONE!! LOOK!".

I dont know, maybe iam just getting old... or maybe kids are just getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
DNF wasnt worth 50€, it just wasnt.. if you havnt bought the game yet then dont do it atm.
Maybe when the price drops to 25€, i didnt feel like Duke when i was playing.
I actually reinstalled Duke Nukem 3D and it was a blast!

[GiroRobber]

FPS's today sucks ♥♥♥♥ing balls TBH and its all becuse of multiplayer game.
All companies focuses more on MP rather than a good solid SP.
Look at the battlefield games or CoD, the SP looks good but you finish them in like a freaking day.
Iam not done yet, all todays games are so ♥♥♥♥ing linear wich only gives you the illusion of free will and choice.
Instead of letting the player explore diffrent paths to victory they are forcing the player to see everything.
Like 2 hours of cutscenes, programmers today are like 5 year old kids throwing a fingerpainting at you while shouting "LOOK! LOOK WHAT WE HAVE DONE!! LOOK!".

I dont know, maybe iam just getting old... or maybe kids are just getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
DNF wasnt worth 50€, it just wasnt.. if you havnt bought the game yet then dont do it atm.
Maybe when the price drops to 25€, i didnt feel like Duke when i was playing.
I actually reinstalled Duke Nukem 3D and it was a blast!
Yeah, game companies pretty much just churn out the same crap/rehashes every year with minimal effort and sadly many people buy it.

It's gotten even worse with the DLC, and what's happening to PC gaming when it comes to these ports. $10 or $15 for 3 or 4 multiplayer maps (gets ridiculously worse with foreign currency obviously)? Because DLC is such a money maker, companies won't even release editors, and now go through active measures(this actually applies to Duke Nukem Forever) to make their games unmoddable on PC.

Let's just cut content from the game and release it for 10 more USD, or in rare cases on Xbox/PSN/Wii games, let's just change a single byte to lock some content on the disc, then put up a less than 2kb download, and charge people for content.

To be honest, I wouldn't even buy Duke Nukem Forever for even $10 USD. I mean, that's the same price as TF2, and it at least has an editor.

[RhiannOn]

Yes there is only two "shooting" weapons that can be carried but that doesn't bother me now that I have got used to the two weapon limit and choosing what I feel is the best weapon for a particular enemy. There's also the other items in the arsenal like the pipebombs, tripmines and the hologram. With some thought, these can all be used very effectively on the enemies. The pipebombs are very cool and the hologram makes a good, temporary diversion if in a tight spot.