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Steve5449
06-27-2011, 07:03 AM
Im new to pc gaming, my laptops been running TF2 at 15 fps on the lowest settings and I want to top that on my desktop. My pcs specs are:
CPU:Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7400 @ 2.80GHz

CPU Speed:2.8 GHz Performance Rated at: 5.04 GHz

RAM: 3.0 GB RAM

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (build 6001), 32-bit

Video Card: Intel(R) G45/G43 Express Chipset( I know that's doodoo)

Free Disk Space: 104.5 GB

Will I be able to get decent frame rate at low settings? I know I need to get a new video card, does anyone know of a cheap, decent upgrade? I've never installed a graphics card, will any card work with any pc, and how would I install it?

nabokovfan87
06-27-2011, 07:18 AM
Essentially you need a video card, but yes. Look at getting an older generation of cards, it comes down to what your powersupply cabling/connector situation is and whether or not it has enough wattage.

You would be looking at the 4850/5830/6870 on the ATI side of things for something in the "mid-high end" and the GTX 450/550/460/560 on the nvidia side. Ebay may have some deals.



Does your motherboard have PCI-E x16 slot or AGP?

This is what AGP looks like,

http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/77/Mainboard_agp.jpg

This is what PCI-E x16 looks like,

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/pci-express-slots.gif

Steve5449
06-27-2011, 07:34 AM
I have PCI-Ex16

YahooElite
06-27-2011, 07:51 AM
a cheap upgrade that would be better than what you have by quite a bit would be a GT220/240 or a GTS450, Considering the rest of your system it wouldnt be wise to spend anymore than what they cost.

Although, something like this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130609

Or something like this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134087

Would be your best bet. They are decent cards and can be used in prebuilt systems as they dont require much power. The 430 being the better choice as it supports DX11, the 240 does not.

Steve5449
06-27-2011, 08:03 AM
Thanks both of you, I just found the GT 430 for $40 online so Im definitely getting that one. Is it capable of running TF2 on the highest settings?

YahooElite
06-27-2011, 08:05 AM
Im not sure about Highest settings, but medium atleast.

Nekomancer
06-27-2011, 08:09 AM
Also you should take a clear look at your power supply, how many Watts do it provide? It would be bad if the videocard draws too much power, could result in hardware damage.

YahooElite
06-27-2011, 08:22 AM
The GT430 has a max draw of 49w, so it shouldnt be a problem.

Recommended PSU is atleast 300w, which even if he has a 250w it should still do well, but 300w is of course prefered.

nabokovfan87
06-27-2011, 09:21 AM
Thanks both of you, I just found the GT 430 for $40 online so Im definitely getting that one. Is it capable of running TF2 on the highest settings?

You would be better off spending 100 dollars if possible, 70 even on an older gen. Your not going to be running DX11 at all on that machine, so get a good DX 10.1 card that is meant to run games and not just stream 1080p video or run multiple monitors. Stick with the 450 or better, on the nvidia side, or the other ATI cards I mentioned.

YahooElite
06-27-2011, 10:07 AM
a GT430 is perfectly acceptable with his setup while not needing a PSU upgrade of which a 450 would require.

Hivomnomnom
06-27-2011, 10:14 AM
Im not sure about Highest settings, but medium atleast.

Highest. GT220 here, running at highest except AA, @1152x864, I believe.

Wait, is 220 or 430 better?

Gamebreaker
06-27-2011, 10:37 AM
On such a low resolution many cards will run on "max settings".

nabokovfan87
06-27-2011, 03:41 PM
On such a low resolution many cards will run on "max settings".

http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/

Specs are: DirectX® 9 level Graphics Card

Obviously the engine is meant to scale and what not, but the game has been updated quite a lot, it won't run well enough to be playable on a certain things, and simply lowering the resolution is not a solution when you can spend 20 dollars more and get everything with all the bells and whistles.

Here is some idea of the performance benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2349/3

http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/review/pc_components/amd/radeon_hd_6850/365799

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/ATI_Radeon_5850_5830_-_Featured_Review_-_Page_10

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,1928-9.html

Kind of a lot to digest, but what you want is 256-bit memory on the ATI side or better and 192-bit on the nvidia side or better. at least 512 mb would be best, and that would put you in the gaming range of cards which will handle it nicely.

Hivomnomnom
06-27-2011, 04:02 PM
On such a low resolution many cards will run on "max settings".

Low resolution? THAT'S INSULTING!

Seriously though, how is that low?

TheSagetEffect
06-27-2011, 05:14 PM
Any of the older Source games (HL2, CSS, TF2, GMod) should run on any newish computer. Granted when you get into particle effects on higher settings, you'll have trouble. But what you've got should be fine.

dosbox
06-27-2011, 07:01 PM
Low resolution? THAT'S INSULTING!

Seriously though, how is that low?

Check the primary display resolution: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Note how >55% of steam users run above that resolution.

kurzx14
06-28-2011, 01:19 AM
id get a 4650 if you dont wanna hassle with cables and such. its cheep will play any valve game no problem and is just plug and play. as long as you ahve a pci-e slot open and 400 watt power your good ;D