Red Orchestra against national socialists [Closed and Edited: politics]

[Abol65]

Hi,

I hope it is not a bad thing to make some self-promotion here.

I want to promote my group which is called Red Orchestra against national socialists.
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If you want to get some informations you can read them up on the group site.

Allthough I also want to write some informations here.
Why am I doing this? I am personally very interested in the hsitory of Austria and in this history there is one big black part. The national socialism. And so I also have something like a duty to fight against this "political direction". It is very interesting and a bit shocking if you know how many national socialists are located in Austria.

What are my plans? In the future I want to try to get connected with some server founders which try to reduce national socialists from their servers to get a list of servers where national socialists are not tolerated. I hope this will work well because I do not know if the idea will be accepted.

Ok, now I do not know what to write more. The commentary function will be open but I do not know if it will stay open because of "bad language".

If you like this idea join my group if not then not :P
I would be happy to hear some advices what I can do differently or what I can do more for thsi "project".

[Abol65]

Ok, now I have one problem. I did not know that the shorten version of national socialist is censored. Unfortunately I cannot change the title. So can any mod change the title to something which is allowed?
And because the title is now too long i cannot anything in the first post because the title is too long and I have to shorten it. But this is not possible.

What a good start :(

[fedaykin6]

Umm, it's possible to edit your thread's title if you click "edit" and then "go advanced".

As for the topic...do you think it will be a serious problem? I dunno, I've never been an active RO1 player, but intend to play RO2 actively. I don't think there's any point in singling out skins. Any good admin will enforce rules against racism and such, which pretty much covers everything harmful that skins might say. As long as the player behaves, does it really matter what ideology they believe in?

[Abol65]

Thanks! Ok this was easy :D

+rep

[Matkailija]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583977

[Abol65]

As for the topic...do you think it will be a serious problem? I dunno, I've never been an active RO1 player, but intend to play RO2 actively. I don't think there's any point in singling out skins. Any good admin will enforce rules against racism and such, which pretty much covers everything harmful that skins might say. As long as the player behaves, does it really matter what ideology they believe in?

Sry did not see the question before :D

I play RO since 3 days so I am far away from beeing an active player but I am willing to be one. Unfortunately there are many people playing German with nicks like "Waffen-SS" or only "SS" and so on. And yes they do not annoy someone when they do not speak racist garbage but allthough there are things which annoy me personally. I cannot say if there are other people who think differently but for me they are important:

1. In many countries there are far right people and they are something like tolerated because they were there forever in the past. But I think we in Austria and also in Germany should know it better. Yes, racists were also there for hundred of years. But then there was WW 2 and we noticed that it is not good to have such an "ideology".

2. It makes me a bit angry to see what ***** (think about bad language on your own :P ) are on earth. And so I think we should annoy them also. They have enough servers to join where they are allowed to play but we should border them.

Maybe I react to intensive but I think something like a community against naz*is in RO 2 and also in RO 1 would be great.

Ok, this was a longer answer as I expected but yes I think it is important to be engaged against naz*is because ignoring is the worst thing to do.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583977

Thank you I just posted my group in there. :D

[Abol65]

Hi,

Did not think about the title in this way. I will think about another title today. But I saw a group for DOD:S some months ago which have a similiar name. No, for me a Fallout group would make no sense. And yes basically the Wehrmacht was only the army and no naz*is. This is correct, because my grandfather was also in the Wehrmacht and he is no Na*zi.

But unfortunately the na*zis do not think about this topic. They are na*zis and they want to fight for their idea. They fight for the idea ingame and also in reallife.

To the term "wannabe na*zi": I do not talk about people who have nicks like Günther and so on. My middle name is Otto so I do not think about something like this. But there are many "kiddies" who only want to be provocative. They are no "real" Na*zis but they think they are.

To the last sentence: It is just a video game. I often look at a Na*zi Forum and there you can see that they also create something like a community and own clans. They for example promoted the game in the forum because you can play as Wehrmacht.

Ok, now I will change the name so that it is more clear that the community is important and not the game itself.
Edit: Oh, yes: I cannot change the name but I will change the group text to make it more clear.

But if the group will not work it is ok, but the DOD:S group is rather successfull because it has more than 100 joiners.

[The Algerian]

Friend, you cannot deny anyone the right to be stupid (=racist).

Racist people do not bother me as long as they keep their hands in their pockets and their mouths shut.
And trust me I've come across a hell of a lot racists who insulted me over the internet and especially online games, all I do is just laugh at them for being brave enough to speak their mind only when hidden miles away behind a screen.

[Abol65]

Yes, this is the right reaction to do, but I try to connect those people who are against such stupids. In this case we would play together and we would know (hopefully) that the people in the group have the same opinion.

[Forlorn Hope]

Why was I kicked from the group? And btw I thought there would be like 2000 people, like that many viewed the thread. But there are only 5 lol. My name is GT-R.

[Abol65]

mmm..

I kicked nobody. I would like to see 2000 people there, but time will show :D

I would suggest you to try it again because I even cannot see you in the "history" where I can see if someone writes a comment or joins the group.

[flarp]

i dont understand whats going on...

[Abol65]

Don´t know what you mean. ?

[Psycho Pigeon]

Hi,

I hope it is not a bad thing to make some self-promotion here.

I want to promote my group which is called Red Orchestra against national socialists.
REMOVED

If you want to get some informations you can read them up on the group site.

Allthough I also want to write some informations here.
Why am I doing this? I am personally very interested in the hsitory of Austria and in this history there is one big black part. The national socialism. And so I also have something like a duty to fight against this "political direction". It is very interesting and a bit shocking if you know how many national socialists are located in Austria.

What are my plans? In the future I want to try to get connected with some server founders which try to reduce national socialists from their servers to get a list of servers where national socialists are not tolerated. I hope this will work well because I do not know if the idea will be accepted.

Ok, now I do not know what to write more. The commentary function will be open but I do not know if it will stay open because of "bad language".

If you like this idea join my group if not then not :P
I would be happy to hear some advices what I can do differently or what I can do more for thsi "project".

There's nothing wrong with national socialism, it's fascism that was the problem. Despite what the liberal media has fed people, there is NOTHING WRONG in wanting your country to succeed and prosper and look after its people first. Look at where we are now, a mess. Right now there is an agenda to merge all nations into one big 'new world order' as the politicians call it. They do not want national socialists, they want people who are willing to give up their rights for the " greater good ", on par with communism.

I don't know about you, but I'm sick to death of bailing out corrupt countries with our tax money and flooding our borders with immigrants to the point where the socialized medicine becomes bogged down and inefficient.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/iplciiii.jpeg

Come and take it.

[Abol65]

I do think that national socialism is a problem. What you mean is nationalism. We could talk about whether nationalism can be good or not but this is another topic.

But National Socialism is bad and was created for destroying democracy and the human rights. And also there are two sides of "wanting your country to succeed and prosper and look after its people first": How far do you want to go to succeed and to look after its people? Do you think it was ok to attack Poland for getting living space for the Germans? They only wanted to look after its people. If everybody would think the same way there would be war all the time.

You are talking about Greece or not? We should not pay Greece for their corruption?
Yes, this is maybe right, but "our" first mistake was to let them into the EU. Now we have to pay for this mistake and we cannot punish the population of Greece only because of the mistake of their leaders. They are punished enough nowadays.

The numbers of immigrants getting to Austria are shrinking the last years so I think there is no flooding anymore if there was any. No we should learn how to integrate them well so we are able to benefit fromn them.

[minevittu]

The comparison has no basis, but thanks for trying. :rolleyes:
Oh sure, on that day Vladimir Putin took a phone call to Chancellor of Austria Werner Faymann just to say "Hi, how are you, how is weather in Vienna?".

You Western-Europeans, have lived good and somewhat naive/pragmatic life for some time now. Hopefully this will never happen (http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/07/21/678598t41h388e.jpg) in your peaceful towns.

Keep enjoying your gas. (http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2011/normal/181285.jpg)

[Abol65]

No I don´t travel to other parts of the world because hanging around in Austria is far more relaxing and exciting for me. So if I holiday I "go" to other parts of Austria. How can we destroy a culture? It is not possible. Culture is changing every day and every year. If a good old profession like a hatter has no place in the modern world and there are no hatter(s) anymore our culture has changed. And so you cannot stop this change.
Many people do not want to live in little villages anymore and so many of them die out. Also they do not want to wear "old" traditional costumes. There are so many things that change. And, yes it makes me sad to see that there are no traditional professions anymore. And it also makes me sad that there is no real authentic village life anymore but what shall we do?

In the years we all were immigrants some time ago. It makes no sense to me to change it these days. If someone wants to life somewhere else and he/she wants to live a life which is honestly, why he/she should not be allowed to life somewhere else?

Oh, and because a regime is only a problem for a small group it makes it better? Ok, so lets go and kill/treat everyone who has the bloodgroup AB. They are only five per cent of our population so it is only a problem for them. That is logically. This multi-national Wehrmacht was getting more and more multi-national in the latest days of the war. They had no Germans anymore to kill. And yes it was murder. Even the proud SS had many foreign people in the last days because of that fact. And it is also very interesting that many jews thought because the fought for Germany they would be allowed to stay/live in Germany but this was not true.

Why everytime I speek something against N*azis someone say that in the communism the situation was even worse? Yes, it was. There was/maybe is the gulag and for example MAO killed millions of people only for his "Great Leap Forward". But thats not the point. You cannot compare two different awful regimes.

And again the same thing. Yes many western countries which seem to be democratic kill people and are not democratic at all but this is the same as above mentioned. Only because some democratic systems do not work well the whole idea does not work.

Finally we in Europe have the problem that we have no children. So please wait some decades and we will die out. Maybe you want this scenario I do not know.

Unfortunately I think this thread will be closed soon because now it has nothing in common with RO which should be the main topic and which is a great game. Maybe the thread should be located in "Off Topic".

[fedaykin6]

Wow, who let the crazies out? Please discuss this in your favorite right-wing forum, pigeon and obrekat. Don't spread your misinformation and idiocy among the kids here.
Oh sure, on that day Vladimir Putin took a phone call to Chancellor of Austria Werner Faymann just to say "Hi, how are you, how is weather in Vienna?".

You Western-Europeans, have lived good and somewhat naive/pragmatic life for some time now. Hopefully this will never happen (http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/07/21/678598t41h388e.jpg) in your peaceful towns.

Keep enjoying your gas. (http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2011/normal/181285.jpg)
You really don't make Estonians look good with your irrational Russophobia. I don't think you guys realize that whenever you open your mouth on an international forum.

Anyway, the topic of this thread isn't Russia, so stop trying to push your paranoid East-European narrative.

[Garone]

My take on this (please note that I haven't read any of the previous posts except for OP's):

I'd like to begin by saying that I'm not a national socialist, in fact I am probably as far to the left as you could go. ( whether national socialism is left-wing or right-wing is another discussion. I personally consider it to be far right, just look up what happened to the unions in germany.)

Isolating a group and excluding them from participating just fortifies their victim image which is currently the NS' strongest card for recruitment. Instead we should invite the national socialists and crush their arguments in a formal manner.

[r0guy]

Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is a RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.

Wich liberals? Wich "respectable conservatives" (other than National Front parties)? Who is this "everyone" you speak of? I need links, you need proof. No party leader or head of state ever stated that the solution to immigration would be to completely open borders. Certainly not in France for that matter. where President Francois Mitterand (socialist party allied to the communist party) famously stated on the subject of immigration "We cannot accept all the misery of the world".

Your information is wrong and thus, your conclusions aswell.

The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded that Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and "assimilating" with them.

Same as above, no-one ever claimed it was a solution.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate", i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

Uh oh, here comes "everybody" again...

What if I said there was a RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

You would be called a racist, and that solution would be called ethnic cleansing. I guess at this point i'm not surprised that you support violations of human rights and war crimes.

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem? But that I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

"Final solution", you're a funny guy. It still is pretty racial though. Completely in fact.

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

A "psycho black man" who comes to live in western states out of his own free will for diverse reasons and doesn't happen to a rascist perhaps?

But if I tell you that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives would agree that I am a "♥♥♥♥whowantstokillsixmillionjews".

I'm looking out of my window right now. Where is this genocide? i honestly can't see it. But again with your imaginary liberals and conservatives and irrelvant over dramatisation? really?

They say they are "anti-racist".

What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is code word for anti-white.

No, i think "they" are pretty much anti-white-supremacists. The problem with your reasoning is that if what you said was true, i'd expect most of "they" to not be "white", only they are.

What do you think about this quote btw?
“In Norway and Sweden extreme Marxist attitudes have become acceptable/everyday while the old-established truths of patriotism and cultural conservatism today are branded as extremism.”
-Anders Behring Breivik. (The guy behind the Norway shootings, i would also like you to note that he doesnt consider himself an extremist either)


Excuse me, but I have not once mentioned anything about eugenics in this thread nor any conversation. I would appreciate it if you would stop lying about what I have said here. There is a reason I'm not discussing with it, and it's because you are unable to do so in a mature fashion and, on top of that, you are now lying and making up falsehoods about what I have been talking about in this thread.

The following quotes all come from page 4 of this thread, in case someone skipped them:

But if I tell you that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race

What you mean is that the mixture of "races" can be considered as genocide? If i'm misinterpreting please correct me.

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Relationships between races have always existed and they'll always exist in the future - however, never in history have such interracial ideas and relationships been so heavily marketed as being "normal" and "cool".

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Race is obviously more than just skin-deep, and the differences we have in DNA are painfully obvious with that comparison. Anybody who claims to perceive "no difference" between the races needs glasses.

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And my personal favourite and the most direct of your quotes:

I put my race and my kin before anybody else, because I have a vested interest in keep my DNA and genetic differences alive.

What was that about lies?

Don't mind me though, keep that conversation about genetics based on "mammal species" going while you pretend to ignore the fact that all your other arguments come from an equal amount of "thought", "research" and "objectivity".