No further free assistance until VALVe releases VAC

[*E|M|F*wArgOd]

OK peeps, it is time to drop our support for this product until the vendor shows up with what they owe us, VAC that actually works or a statement saying they cannot do diddly about the cheats.

no more answers.

the newbies are on their own.

[Hubbell Tyson]

I think you're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to get people to boycott CS, the gameplay is just way better than anything else out there at the moment.

I've been playing CS Source pretty religously since it became available over steam (a few weeks before HL2 came out) and im yet to see anyone using a speed hack. I've been playing CS for 4 years and my play style is to rush every round so I'd know about it if someone got somewhere way too early in a round.

Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky or maybe cheating just comes a bit more naturally to americans as I only play on UK servers but either way I don't see what all the fuss is about with people saying "Yeh, 29% of all CS players are cheating"etc.

That just sounds like people that lose a few games and whine that their opposition 'must' be cheating.

I presume you've had lots of nasty experiences with cheaters to make you feel this way?

I've just applied to rent a server (which is suprisingly affordable) so if any cheats do decide to show up and ruin my game then they're not gonna be around for long.

[Spookywillow]

yeah i dont know why people always complain about cheats :/

i played cs for a year before source and i only saw 1 cheat, he was using aimbot and it was quite funny to see his xhair going round in circles then instantly lock on someones head when they get within a certain distance, he got an long ban from the server :D

i've played source since its release and our clan have our own server and if i'm not on their then either one of my mates are or one of our regulars and no cheaters been seen on there :)

[*E|M|F*wArgOd]

i run 10 servers that are all optimized for zero to very low lag/choke. so i guess i see a lot more blatant cheats.

last night the master servers lagged my servers up with what looked like a dos attack that turned out to be a series of status calls.

they are up to something and i hope it is good.

[Stu-Pidaso]

I do not play CS and this is one of the reasons. Too many times I have seen non-cheating players get accused of cheating also. There are also a lot of admins out there who do not know how to spot a cheat (not all admins) and some get banned too easy. TBH I think one of the reasons SO many people think CS is rampant with cheaters is because, well let's face it, CS has the most amount of online players for an fps game. If one percent, and I know it is not that high, of the players cheated, the more players there are overall, the more obvious it is. This is not intended as a slam, but more of an observation :)

[tkaway69]

Originally posted by *E|M|F*wArgOd
i run 10 servers that are all optimized for zero to very low lag/choke. so i guess i see a lot more blatant cheats.

Maybe you need to set your sv_cheats 1 to sv_cheats 0. I think then again it could be the community in which you are renting your servers out to. I also mannage a server. I play alot of Source on other servers as well and I havent seen the rampant cheating everyone cries so much about. I have yet to see my first aimbot or speedhack. Maybe the Servers I choose Are not filled with immature hacking brats.
I have been playing Counter-Strike since 1.1 and I still enjoy a good round or three. So you can take your Idea of not supporting Valve and shove it up your whinny crybaby ûûûû.

[{eVo} TrickyB]

Most of it is down to paranoia
we have ran a 20 man server since launch and we have yet to see a cheat
played a few matches that were dubious mind u
its the old chestnut of OH MY GOD I KNOW U HACK
basicaly some people are very good at this game and the ones saying there are hackers need to play more
anyone who plays this 6+hours a day is gonna own the occasional player
i do want to see VAC implemented though
i cant see how CS:s can be used in leagues + ladders without it

[Apokalyps3]

Well then obviously you havent vs'd any [ûûûûû] there are speedhacks and autoaim/wallhacks, You see them more on the custom maps vs the larger games....

Infact, after I killed a speedhacking [ûûûûû] twice by luck, or his inability to use the hack.....he crashed the server, and that was a good week to two weeks ago.... it needs to be fixed

Ive seen quite a few ppl with the speedhacks (5+), and well autoaim/wallhack are hard to tell, considering most ppl can hide it / toggle off and on.....

xxxx= my g0t

[tkaway69]

Well to be honest with you, Why in the Hell would you want to Visit a [ûûûûû] server. Who in the world would complain about hacks and in the same sentence say they are messing up the ûûûûû servers.
This is worse than I thought. It goes back to what Granpa always told me. "Stewpid People Should'nt Breed".

[Apokalyps3]

Who said I was visiting my g0t servers , I said player, back to ESL.....read a bit?

playing aztec, de_dust, and the maps released with source, 24/7 does get boring... And the servers Im going to were maintained by good admins...

Im commenting on the fact that these hacks do exist, ppl do use them, and they CAN hide things like wallhack...

Your grandpa musta also told you to read before you post

[Killtek]

I agree with Wargod.. we admins that run Source servers are the grease the keeps the Valve gear moving and collecting money instead of dust... after initial sales.

I was shocked that Valve did not invest the time and money to hire Alfred in the earlier stages of Source DS to provide us a builtin admin mod tool for server admins.

I don't understand why Valve didn't priortized Source Dedicated server development, be VAC or and Admin Mod, after releasing HL2. Releasing HLDM was a joke.. no one expected it and to be honest HLDM is just crappy game play unless you're 12 years old or younger. Waste of development resources if you ask me.

After the shock and awe of HL2 is over... it's us admins and Mod developers that keep the money rolling in for Valve.

[tkaway69]

I am a Server Admin, Mannager as well. We run the Custom maps. Some cause server crashes and we dont use but other we do. I have played pretty religously since the release. I have not Kicked or banned one Player yet, and the CS:Source server is fairly busy.

[tkaway69]

Originally posted by Apokalyps3
Well then obviously you havent vs'd any [ûûûûû] there are speedhacks and autoaim/wallhacks, You see them more on the custom maps vs the larger games....

Infact, after I killed a speedhacking [ûûûûû] twice by luck, or his inability to use the hack.....he crashed the server, and that was a good week to two weeks ago.... it needs to be fixed

Ive seen quite a few ppl with the speedhacks (5+), and well autoaim/wallhack are hard to tell, considering most ppl can hide it / toggle off and on.....

xxxx= my g0t
Maybe I missunderstood it sounds like you talking about m y g o t servers here my mistake. And you are right I havent vs'd any my gots. Mother always told me to stay away from trash.

[Apokalyps3]

VS = versus ..... I thought that term was widely understood since street fighter 2

Power to you, and your server...
cheats do exist, you can't tell me they dont exist when you havent experienced / seen any.....

hop on the my g0t IRC channel heh there are a good 80+ people who discuss cheats/ hacks and how to evade bans...

[tkaway69]

You can laugh your ûûû off all you want Son. I know what a ûûûûû is I have banned many and every one I saw in my day. This forum is about source, and I havent seen any F-u-c-k-i-n-g ûûûûûs in over a year. Defiately not on my source server.
Why in the hell would I want to idle in a ûûûûû irc. Give me a Break and go Play in the street.

[Apokalyps3]

wow dont get mad.... lol

I guess your lucky you havent run into any cheaters on your server, If you havent seen any my g0t around, try playing other servers instead of just yours..... cause I have seen my g0ts in a few occasions they are still active with easily 25+ members.

P.S I can get you some screenshots if you like, to stop the crying ;pppp

[*E|M|F*wArgOd]

dont waste time arguing with the hater.

sv_cheats 1 indeed....

We are all in awae of the great hater's words of vitriol that contain no usable content. All bow to the great hater tkaway69.

lol

I caught myself about to render up the answer to the choke problems. I am so happy I stopped and read the hater's ugly responses instead.

We are trying to get VALVe's attention. Nothing more.

[tkaway69]

Well, Send them a e-mail, and leave it be.

[tkaway69]

Originally posted by Apokalyps3
wow dont get mad.... lol

I guess your lucky you havent run into any cheaters on your server, If you havent seen any my g0t around, try playing other servers instead of just yours..... cause I have seen my g0ts in a few occasions they are still active with easily 25+ members.

P.S I can get you some screenshots if you like, to stop the crying ;pppp

You know the way you sound. I would jus about bet, you wanted to join the my gots and they said no.

[BlkKnight]

go away you pathetic little man

[*E|M|F*wArgOd]

OK, Valve did something about the copy protection fiasco so they are working on the issues.

Here is how to run a no lag / no choke server:
fps_max "100"
sv_maxrate "8192"
sv_minurate "2048"
sv_maxupdaterate "60"
sv_minupdaterate "30"
fps_max "200"

Assuming you have the bandwith then downgrade sv_maxrate to 4098 if on 3MB upline. set fps_max to 100.

if on cable modem then:
sv_maxrate "3075"
maxplayers "6"
fps_max "70"

Hopefully your players will be OK at these rates.

[Ravencroft]

Originally posted by *E|M|F*wArgOd
fps_max "100"
fps_max "200"

Are you saying run 200...unless you run your server with little bw...and then use 100 instead?

[Snakebite6x6x6]

our policy on our server...is that if you suspect somone of cheating, we record a demo...and then all of the admins who were not playing at the time can give there input as to wether they think the player was hacking/cheating or not.


this way we try to avoid admins abusing players because they are po'd that they were owned.

i also reserve the right to ban to myself and my server co creator.

also to make sure admins arent abusing i frequently join the server and spectate as an HLTV proxy with my rights disabled and watch for abuse....logs are checked daily

heh...maybe i go overboard...but it comes from being banned for "cheating" just because i would join a server and kill the wrong person...or be on a killing streak...

i have been playing cs since before beta3 (although beta .35 is the last i can remember) and i have seen a couple blatant cheats/hacks. But since i started my server in august 2003, i have only seen 2 blatant hacks...that were banned on spot one was a speed hack where a t made it to ct spawn about 1 second after the round began.....and the other was on prodigy...and as myself and my terrorist team were heading down the back hallway near the cliff, just as my first teammate made it to the opening of the hallway where all the action takes place...and i was at the top of the ramp near t spawn..with one person in between us....a ct knifed all 3 of us within the span of a second.

so...2 blatant hacks in a year on a server that was, until recently, always full...18-20 out of 20 slots always full....that isnt a high percentage...as most other claims of hacking were unfounded...and were usually brought because of somone being owned and getting pissed off

[BlackTalon]

My server has been online now for 27 hours, and I have already perm banned three different steam_ID's for speed hacks. I also saw quite a few speed hackers on the servers that I used to play on. Perhaps this issue is just on pacific northwest servers.


So, some people may not see it, but I have plenty of times. The speed hacks are out there, and some people are still managing to disable wall textures in-game somehow effectivly giving themselves a "wallhack". If there is ever any doubt in your mind, just watch these jokers in first person mode. It can't be missed.

Anyways, I hope VAC is released for source soon. I can't be on my server 24X7, and it has been almost full the whole time it has been available. I just want people on my server to have a fun playing experience, and these little cheaters mess it up for everyone.

[theradianteye]

don't hold your breath for vac. vac is a ticking litigation timebomb.

most likely there will never be any anticheat measures for any VALVe game going forward.

[pencilhead]

Originally posted by theradianteye
don't hold your breath for vac. vac is a ticking litigation timebomb.

Why?

[NastyPiggy]

Originally posted by theradianteye
don't hold your breath for vac. vac is a ticking litigation timebomb.

most likely there will never be any anticheat measures for any VALVe game going forward.

The reason he says this is because he and others out there believe that even though you agree to an EULA it doesn't apply to them. You know, you agree to allow someone to do something so you can play on servers with anti-cheats but if you're caught they want to fight it...


BTW... VAC not VAC2 is coming... from cs-nation...

VAC Coming to Source Shortly
gumplunger @ 8:38 am pst - anti-cheat updates - 48 comments - hot topic
I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear that in a message distributed to the dedicated server mailing list, Valve's Alfred Reynolds said that we'll soon be seeing VAC in Source games - like CS: Source.

VAC is coming to Source, and it will be an updated VAC with additional anti-cheat functionality. We're working on this now. -Alfred

[theradianteye]

vac/vac2, it does not matter. anything is 100% better than nothing.

there is a standing question concerning the ability of VAC to provide technical verification without any probability of error.

Given this fact of software and computers, it is possible for VAC to ban many, many legitimate customers and the customers have no recourse or appeal channel.

This is why VAC can become a litigation liability.

Knowing VALVe though, any large scale error in the code of this nature would be noticed quickly and fixed within 48 hours.

So maybe no so bad after all eh?

[kctay]

I don't understand why you guys don't want to help the new guys that are just trying to run a dedicated server for the community.

It isn't our fault you have problems with Valve.

I enjoy the game, but I would sure like to know better how to tweak my server. Especialy since I am new to the game, and never ran a HL1 server.

I wish there was another forum that would have members that would help those of us that are new to the game.

All I want to do is optimize my server, the other stuff will be ironed out by Valve in due time.

I don't get it.

[Ravencroft]

The information and help you talk about can be found on the forums here...you just have to wade through all the BS in my opinion.

...other than that I agree with you. Funny how people are quick to jump and complain when there's a problem yet they rarely jump as quick to give praise.

[theradianteye]

for real serious information and actual assistance from VALVe people go to http://list.valvesoftware.com and sign up for the mailing lists.

Steam forums have become a rant system as useful as the steam "support system".

Not to mention the way the moderators ban anyone who expresses an opinion unsupportive of VALVe. IMHO....