Another Half-Effort Port? What Took So Long???

[Goatman455]

Very disappointing to see this game took so long on the transition to PC and it doesn't even have 1080p support for example.


What the hell, I already bought it, at least be honest with the fact you are just trying to make a buck.

[yupsi]

>it doesn't even have 1080p support for example.
huh?

[Tulipopa]

I'm quite sure it had one-year (or so) exclusivity deal with microsoft.

[the magpie]

What the hell, I already bought it, at least be honest with the fact you are just trying to make a buck.

Yeah! Those greedy indie developers trying to make a buck! WTF playdead!!! This is just like super meat boy coming to PC... an OUTRAGE!

[Tanshaydar]

Yeah! Those greedy indie developers trying to make a buck! WTF playdead!!! This is just like super meat boy coming to PC... an OUTRAGE!

It's not indies trying to make buck, it's Microsoft. Even blinds can see it.

[the magpie]

It's not indies trying to make buck, it's Microsoft. Even blinds can see it.

blinds apparently can't see sarcasm :rolleyes:

[Ethan Hunt]

It's not indies trying to make buck, it's Microsoft. Even blinds can see it.
This is correct. Just like Xbox is slowly degrading our gamine experience, in a year or two, they will do the same for Indies. I hope I'm wrong...

[pash1k]

It's not indies trying to make buck, it's Microsoft. Even blinds can see it.

Developer: Playdead
Publisher: Playdead

Straight from the steam page. Microsoft isn't involved here. Stop raging.

[lordcooper777]

Developer: Playdead
Publisher: Playdead

Straight from the steam page. Microsoft isn't involved here. Stop raging.

Methinks you need to learn a little more about how the videogame industry works, friend.

[enemyofportal]

people have waited for this game long. then today it was released, and one of you complain about something. unbelievable. if you already bought it, stop complaining, enjoy the ♥♥♥♥ing game. geez.

[Goatman455]

>it doesn't even have 1080p support for example.
huh?

Not a computer guy huh?

IT DOESN'T SUPPORT RESOLUTION CHANGES!

It's pretty blatantly unconverted to whatever the desktop resolution is, the result is a blurry image relative to true multi-resolution support. You can really see this when in the menu and tell by the fact their are no options to change the resolution.



people have waited for this game long. then today it was released, and one of you complain about something. unbelievable. if you already bought it, stop complaining, enjoy the ♥♥♥♥ing game. geez.


Complacency is the road to mediocrity.

[PurpleHaz3]

Not a computer guy? One to talk.. as most PC gamers would call that 1920x1080.. where a console nub would be using the re-re term "1080p".

[Goatman455]

Not a computer guy? One to talk.. as most PC gamers would call that 1920x1080.. where a console nub would be using the re-re term "1080p".


Hahaha, I can't abbreviate 1920x1080 as 1080p? Nice try.


I have a computer degree and have my own repair business, whoops, you can take your foot out of your mouth now. Actually on second though, just leave it in there so you don't make a fool of yourself by talking ;)



Point is, I was smart enough (doesn't take much intelligence) to realize this was a half ♥♥♥ port, some don't seem to be.


Instead of being condescending towards me why don't you try turning that on those responsible for this game taking forever to make it to PC and then not giving us a quality version of it.

[Monkeydrummer]

It's not a quality version because it doesn't have an option to change it to 1920x1080 resolution? I honestly don't see anything wrong with how it looks scaled to 1920x1080 and it's much better than 15+ other Indie games I play and enjoy. Oh nevermind, I can't see how horrible it looks because I am stupid.

[d37r17u5]

Instead of being condescending towards me why don't you try turning that on those responsible for this game taking forever to make it to PC and then not giving us a quality version of it.

You started by being an ♥♥♥. Why not try again, while not being an ♥♥♥, and then see if you get a better reaction?

[mouton]

Uhhh, entitlement much? I know that people can complain about anything on the internet, but I do get surprised sometimes.

[BigEV]

It's the most beautiful indie game I've ever seen - looks great on a big monitor, I don't see your issue.

[Goatman455]

Uhhh, entitlement much? I know that people can complain about anything on the internet, but I do get surprised sometimes.

How is not wanting a crappy cash in port entitlement, I bet you throw that word around way too much without truly understanding it's meaning. Sounds like you think if I am not complacent then I am entitled, and that's just wrong.


I'll say it again, complacency breeds mediocrity.


You started by being an ♥♥♥. Why not try again, while not being an ♥♥♥, and then see if you get a better reaction?


How exactly was I being an ♥♥♥, I was just defending myself aggressively against a condescending post in a half joking/half serious manner.

I also found it funny people make assumptions about things when they have no facts at all, he assumed I didn't know about PCs because I called it 1080p? That's ridiculous, he got emotional and attacked me and I put him in his place, that's not being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that's life, sometimes you have to defend yourself against people who try and slander you for no good reason.


Fact is, this game is not a good port, there are absolutely ZERO PC options, it's upscaled from the original resolution making it look blurry and it took a year to boot, that's just sad you would defend such actions by the company but attack me for observing the BS in it all.

[derrman0426]

I don't see this as half ♥♥♥. It runs well, and it looks great.

The only problem is that you have to run it full screen, there are no windowed/resolution options.

[Monkeydrummer]

How is not wanting a crappy cash in port entitlement, I bet you throw that word around way too much without truly understanding it's meaning. Sounds like you think if I am not complacent then I am entitled, and that's just wrong.


I'll say it again, complacency breeds mediocrity.





How exactly was I being an ♥♥♥, I just defending myself aggressively against a condescending post in a half joking/half serious manner.

I also found it funny people make assumptions about things when they have no facts at all, he assumed I didn't know about PCs because I called it 1080p? That's ridiculous, he got emotional and attacked me and I put him in his place, that's not being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that's life, sometimes you have to defend yourself against people who try and slander you for no good reason.


Fact is, this game is not a good port, there are absolutely ZERO PC options, it's upscaled from the original resolution making it look blurry and it took a year to boot, that's just sad you would defend such actions by the company but attack me for observing the BS in it all.


What PC options are you missing that make this such a horrible port? Seriously, is it really just the option to change the resolution?

The 1 year thing? Someone already explained that to you, but you decided to ignore them.

"The release was set for nearly a year after the original availability of the Xbox 360 version, after the expiration of the Xbox 360 exclusivity rights for the game. Both the PlayStation 3 and Windows version of the game have additional secret content, according to Patti; it is unknown if this content will be added in a patch to the Xbox 360 version." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo_%28video_game%29

Maybe try the demo first next time?

[Goatman455]

What PC options are you missing that make this such a horrible port? Seriously, is it really just the option to change the resolution?

The 1 year thing? Someone already explained that to you, but you decided to ignore them.

"The release was set for nearly a year after the original availability of the Xbox 360 version, after the expiration of the Xbox 360 exclusivity rights for the game. Both the PlayStation 3 and Windows version of the game have additional secret content, according to Patti; it is unknown if this content will be added in a patch to the Xbox 360 version." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo_%28video_game%29

Maybe try the demo first next time?


Exclusivity rights are horrible for the customer to and a result of the same greed as the bad port issue. The root of both of these problems is the same, and THAT'S what you the customer should be concerned with.

I was planning on buying it regardless, that's why I am so upset that this was clearly just shoehorned into the PC.


The additional component is nice but how about actually catering the game to the PC. In order to make a game for the PC you have to do a bit more work, deal with it, stop being lazy, stop making excuses, (none of those work in any job "sorry it's too hard boss") and just spend the money and effort and do it.



I think it's my right to be upset that this is a poor port, and if you aren't you are only hurting yourself and everyone other customer who shares your economy.

[Monkeydrummer]

You should quit the repair business and become a politician. You're excellent at avoiding questions.

[derrman0426]

Exclusivity rights are horrible for the customer to and a result of the same greed as the bad port issue. The root of both of these problems is the same, and THAT'S what you the customer should be concerned with.

I was planning on buying it regardless, that's why I am so upset that this was clearly just shoehorned into the PC.


The additional component is nice but how about actually catering the game to the PC. In order to make a game for the PC you have to do a bit more work, deal with it, stop being lazy, stop making excuses, (none of those work in any job "sorry it's too hard boss") and just spend the money and effort and do it.



I think it's my right to be upset that this is a poor port, and if you aren't you are only hurting yourself and everyone other customer who shares your economy.


So if the developers were lazy, why did they go to the trouble of including Steamworks into the game? And porting it to PS3 as awell?

Having no resolution options doesn't make it a bad port, if the game was badly optimized and ran like crap then it would be bad. In my opinion i think they didn't include those options because all the time you're staring at black, if you had it in a windowed and had a bright wallpaper, then it wouldn't be good for your eyes.

Also i'm running at 1920x1080 and the game looks beautiful, maybe you you should your settings in 'Steam\steamapps\common\limbo\settings.txt' and change 'use8bitrender' to 'false', or maybe it's just your computer.

[Goatman455]

So if the developers were lazy, why did they go to the trouble of including Steamworks into the game? And porting it to PS3 as awell?

Having no resolution options doesn't make it a bad port, if the game was badly optimized and ran like crap then it would be bad. In my opinion i think they didn't include those options because all the time you're staring at black, if you had it in a windowed and had a bright wallpaper, then it wouldn't be good for your eyes.

Also i'm running at 1920x1080 and the game looks beautiful, maybe you you should your settings in 'Steam\steamapps\common\limbo\settings.txt' and change 'use8bitrender' to 'false', or maybe it's just your computer.


Pretty sure the game is converting the image because there is no way that the texture resolution is above 720 imo.



You should quit the repair business and become a politician. You're excellent at avoiding questions.



You should become a politician because you are excellent at talking a lot but saying little.

What exactly have I avoided here? If you want to pretend like TLC went into this port go for it, if it makes you feel better why not, but you are the one living in denial not me.

You are excellent at avoiding pointing out things that don't agree with your point. My demanding of quality and anti-bottom line thinking for businesses is completely opposite of the politician stereotype.


There is nothing to argue about here, if you play a lot of games you will see that while this isn't the worst port ever, it is a below average translation to the PC version.


Do you own the 360 version? I do, I also have the PC so I can compare. If you don't own both versions then don't come in here and arrogantly argue with information you don't posses, if you want to state your opinion make sure you state whether or not you actually played both versions and have compared them or not.

I don't mean to take an adversarial tone but it's annoying when people come in here and argue as if the port is fantastic or something. They simply copy/pasted the game right over to PC they didn't even take the time to make an options menu and you are trying to defend them? You aren't going to convince me that kind of laziness is ok, but if you buy their product and put up with it, you can be sure of one thing, this will continue to happen.

[Huh183]

I agree, it seems like a quick port. You can't even customize the controls.

Who's bright idea was it to use the arrow keys instead of WASD and also use up for jump instead of spacebar? :mad: These developers have obviously never played a PC game.

Edit: Just so you know I still think it's a great game but they definitely could have done a better job on the port.

[Monkeydrummer]

You should become a politician because you are excellent at talking a lot but saying little.

What exactly have I avoided here? If you want to pretend like TLC went into this port go for it, if it makes you feel better why not, but you are the one living in denial not me.

You are excellent at avoiding pointing out things that don't agree with your point. My demanding of quality and anti-bottom line thinking for businesses is completely opposite of the politician stereotype.


There is nothing to argue about here, if you play a lot of games you will see that while this isn't the worst port ever, it is a below average translation to the PC version.


Do you own the 360 version? I do, I also have the PC so I can compare. If you don't own both versions then don't come in here and arrogantly argue with information you don't posses, if you want to state your opinion make sure you state whether or not you actually played both versions and have compared them or not.

I don't mean to take an adversarial tone but it's annoying when people come in here and argue as if the port is fantastic or something. They simply copy/pasted the game right over to PC they didn't even take the time to make an options menu and you are trying to defend them? You aren't going to convince me that kind of laziness is ok, but if you buy their product and put up with it, you can be sure of one thing, this will continue to happen.


I've been asking you what your complaints are with the game and I have done so twice but you won't answer! You know what? I don't own either of them. I played the PC demo and then I came here to see if there's any crazy game breaking bugs or anything of that nature. All I see are mostly positive topics that state detailed opinions.

Then I come to this topic and decide to give it a fair chance, but have gained absolutely nothing from it. Well, that's not entirely true...you have pretty much convinced me that I should buy this game. Apparently you have some negative opinions on the game but who the ♥♥♥♥ knows what they actually are? Not me!

I'm going to go buy the game now and play it. Good day, sir!

[Goatman455]

I told you my complaints, you aren't listening, it seems "rushed" or more accurately "cheaped", it's a indie ten dollar game so small games have to be judged relatively on their problems. A game like Oblivion can be polished and contain many bugs or issues. A game like this, well it was already made and well polished, it's not that hard to transition it over to the 360 which is why it's sad to see that they basically COPY/PASTED the game over with no additional PC features or settings.


I think it was very well put here:

I agree, it seems like a quick port. You can't even customize the controls.

Who's bright idea was it to use the arrow keys instead of WASD and also use up for jump instead of spacebar? :mad: These developers have obviously never played a PC game.

Edit: Just so you know I still think it's a great game but they definitely could have done a better job on the port.

[Monkeydrummer]

I agree, it seems like a quick port. You can't even customize the controls.

Who's bright idea was it to use the arrow keys instead of WASD and also use up for jump instead of spacebar? :mad: These developers have obviously never played a PC game.

Edit: Just so you know I still think it's a great game but they definitely could have done a better job on the port.

In case you didn't find out already, they have it mapped in Steam\steamapps\common\limbo\settings.txt

You just have to delete the # before each entry. I agree with you and while it's an easy fix, it's something they should have added as an in-game option.

[HateSolstice]

All I'm seeing is a lot of pissing and moaning. The game runs fine, the visuals are exactly as they need to be, and the controls take a whopping 2 seconds to figure out.

So, shut the hell up and play the game. I don't care if you repair computers, design games, are President of the United States, or Jesus ♥♥♥♥ing Christ. You're still a moron.

[shurcooL]

This game has a type of art-style where everything is blurry. So it doesn't matter if you're running it at 1080p natively, or 720p upscaled. You wouldn't see a difference. There are no sharp edges.

I was playing it on my 30" 2560x1600 monitor (at that resolution obviously) and it looks great.

[Selbi]

I think the game is just fine the way it is. Being all blurry and dark fits perfectly into the entire game's atmosphere. While high resolution would make stuff look sharper, it would ruin the game's point, being so creepy.

And not only that, being so blurry is something you'll get used to in less than 2 minutes (that's the time I took). It helped me to think with. I don't even have a problem to identify stuff anymore.

Also, pink hearts in the title fail.

[shurcooL]

While high resolution would make stuff look sharper, it would ruin the game's point, being so creepy.
Correction: high resolution has the potential to make stuff look sharper. But it's still up to the game's art direction to dictate how it'll look like.

[Goatman455]

All I'm seeing is a lot of jarateing and moaning. The game runs fine, the visuals are exactly as they need to be, and the controls take a whopping 2 seconds to figure out.

So, shut the hell up and play the game. I don't care if you repair computers, design games, are President of the United States, or Jesus ♥♥♥♥ing Christ. You're still a moron.



If you don't think this game is a cash-in port job, you're the moron.


Also, pink hearts in the title fail.

Then go ahead and email Steam support telling them to allow the work ♥♥♥ in the title or to allow edits of titles to actually show up on the main forum page instead of just inside the thread itself. Good luck getting a quick reply.


This game has a type of art-style where everything is blurry.

True, but I don't think that's what's going on here. The game seemed crisper on the 360, maybe it's all in my head but I think something's up, why have no resolution options if you aren't rushing.



Please stop arguing with me about something so obvious. If you think the port was well made with superior effort and commitment go make a thread about it. There is no point to come in here and try and make me look bad, I have the experience and knowledge to know what's going on here.

[targetbsp]

Errm... isn't it 2d? So you'd have to draw the graphics for every single resolution to support different resolutions? Or scale the graphics up and down for each resolution away from what they were drawn at - which you may as well not bother doing and let the monitor do instead. Which is what it does. :D

It's quite a lot easier to provide resolution changes in 3d.

[MrLee]

Just an FYI your title to your post looks like this
"Another Half-♥♥♥ Port? What Took So Long???"

IF you can, you might want to fix it! :)

And had to LOL at the person who said 1080p is "console Nub" term!! LMFAO!
Spilled my drink laughing so hard!

And I use a 16:10 monitor and the screen res dosen't bug me at all in Limbo! It's a small indie game and it still looks very good on my monitor!! AND I am usally damn picky about that kind of thing!! :)
Stop being so mean to each other GAWD!!

[lolonymous]

If you don't think this game is a cash-in port job, you're the moron.
I have beaten it twice and have only two achievements left to do. And I still haven't seen that. At what point in the game do you find this out?

[Butr0sButr0s]

If you don't think this game is a cash-in port job, you're the moron.

Actually, I think that would be the person who bought the game sight unseen then complains for pages about how bad it is. I learned my lesson long ago and always wait for some player reviews/comments before buying a game so I don't get burned.

[DarkChaplain]

I wonder why people are still trying to argue against that guy...
It's not like this is his first moronic thread either. Has been suspended before and all.

Seriously now, I don't see what graphic options would do.
The game is supposed to run smooth on damn 5 year old machines! Yes, Fullscreen only, but who gives? It's meant to be played that way.
And no, you cannot adjust the shadow depth in LIMBO, so what? 8'D

The game runs fine the way it is. And the "no additional content" thing is such a blatant lie, it's not even funny anymore

[Subulgian]

Hahaha, I can't abbreviate 1920x1080 as 1080p? Nice try.


I have a computer degree and have my own repair business, whoops, you can take your foot out of your mouth now. Actually on second though, just leave it in there so you don't make a fool of yourself by talking ;)



Point is, I was smart enough (doesn't take much intelligence) to realize this was a half ♥♥♥ port, some don't seem to be.


Instead of being condescending towards me why don't you try turning that on those responsible for this game taking forever to make it to PC and then not giving us a quality version of it.You're the biggest condescending prick in the thread buddy. So you have a "computer degree" (akin to toilet paper) and own a repair business? *golf clap* You're impressing nobody, I've run in to many people in the industry with inflated ego's who come across less doltish than you. You do realise this is pretty much the lowest tier in the field, yes? Seeing though you're so butthurt over spending 10 bucks on a game and expecting God knows what, I assume business isn't going all that well? PC games are generally played on monitors, not TV's. If you play FPS on a TV you're a nub. If you refer to your resolution on a monitor using a TV format like 1080p instead of true resolution, you're a nub. Simple as that, you nub.

With that out of the way, I haven't owned a console for over 15 years, however I wanted to play this game. Now it's available on Steam. Huzzah! How dare the evil devs release a very polished near perfect game on my platform! Clearly cashing in! I'm an avid hater of consolisation, but you're making mountains out of molehills.

This game blurs the line between art and video games, the simplicity of the controls (which are customisable), menu and storytelling seem to be a part of this. I found the old black and white grainy film style to be beautiful, and to be perfectly honest whether it was in 1920x1200 or not was the last thing on my mind as I was captivated from start to finish in one sitting. Yes, I have seen it on my mates 360. Enjoy this excellent and well priced game for what it is and stop being such a whiny person of insatiable rectal itch.

PS go whinge to Microsoft about the delay.

[ChevronZA]

I agree, it seems like a quick port. You can't even customize the controls.

Who's bright idea was it to use the arrow keys instead of WASD and also use up for jump instead of spacebar? :mad: These developers have obviously never played a PC game.

Edit: Just so you know I still think it's a great game but they definitely could have done a better job on the port.

Totally agree with the above.

[Goatman455]

Actually, I think that would be the person who bought the game sight unseen then complains for pages about how bad it is. I learned my lesson long ago and always wait for some player reviews/comments before buying a game so I don't get burned.



So you wait for people like me to get burned then give them crap when they give you the advice you are waiting for, and I'm the moron?

Someone has to be the front runner, someone has to take the risk so you can sit back and get their opinion on it.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!


Just an FYI your title to your post looks like this
"Another Half-♥♥♥ Port? What Took So Long???"

IF you can, you might want to fix it!


I edited it, but the way Valve's forums work, it only edits it in the thread, it still appears on the main page in original form.


which you may as well not bother doing and let the monitor do instead. Which is what it does.


Having the monitor do it means it's stretching the pixels to fill the screen rather than drawing the pixels 1:1, the result is visual distortion and a less crisp image.

You're the biggest condescending prick in the thread buddy. So you have a "computer degree" (akin to toilet paper) and own a repair business? *golf clap*

Don't be a D-bag just because you didn't read the whole thread. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about and was a "console nub" so I figured I would put that guy (and then you) in his place by letting you know you aren't arguing with an internet troll but a professional in the field. Everyone has their skill set you don't have to bring me down to make yourself feel better. I'm sure you have an area of skill you feel confident in, and I wouldn't berate you for displaying it in the appropriate situation. You don't have to be an ♥♥♥ about it, you aren't helping anything here by trying to be an ethical vigilante.

How dare the evil devs release a very polished near perfect game on my platform!

It's statements like these that shows me you don't know what you are talking about, but criticize others out of ignorance and emotion. You may love the game, my and others observations about it being a cash-in don't have to change that. So what if we point out it's rushed, you can still love and enjoy it? Some of my favorite games are unpolished POSs that probably should have been given more time, but didn't due to greed, welcome to the world and the culture we live in, again, don't shoot the messenger, just enjoy your rushed game.


Huh183 pointed out that you can't even customize the controls.

I agree, it seems like a quick port. You can't even customize the controls.

How can anyone believe this isn't a cash in port job? How hard is it to do a control customization? A little bit of work they chose not to do because it's easier just to sell it and make the money. It upsets me that happens and that some of us take the risk and post our opinions here to help others, then get incessantly berated for doing so.

Quit being childish and just soak the advice in and either buy the game knowing that, or don't, but it isn't my fault they didn't put the money and effort they should have into the PC version. It doesn't mean it isn't a great and fun game worth the purchase, it just means we all got taken advantage of in a minor way that really should never happen to paying customers.

[Subulgian]

Well you actually took that better than I thought you would. You're probably right, I did get a bit personal there and for that I apologise. However I did read the whole thread, and the reason I responded that way was largely based on the way you were handling yourself. Having said that, I don't feel you put either of us in our place with that irrelevant statement. The fact remains that in the context of monitors, the "p" in 1080p is redundant, and makes one sound uninformed.

You can change the controls quite easily with the config file. Perhaps I'm from an era where command lines and editing config files were the norm, but there not being a GUI for it seems barely even worth mentioning to me. You're going to have to trust that I do know what I'm talking about, and am not responding out of ignorance or emotion. The game is very likely in pretty much the exact state it was a year ago, with everybody moving on to other projects and them sitting on it due to contractual obligations. Keeping the product uniform on all platforms doesn't mean it's a cash in or rushjob at all, debugging for PC takes more effort, and being the smaller market I'm just thankful they spent the time making the PC release as bug free as console.

Describing such minor gripes as cashing in, IMO is offensive to the developers. One playthrough of the game and it's astoundingly clear that it's not a rush job. Talk to me about consolisation and cashing in with the COD series, and I'll be whinging along right beside you.

[Goatman455]

Well you actually took that better than I thought you would. You're probably right, I did get a bit personal there and for that I apologise. However I did read the whole thread, and the reason I responded that way was largely based on the way you were handling yourself. Having said that, I don't feel you put either of us in our place with that irrelevant statement. The fact remains that in the context of monitors, the "p" in 1080p is redundant, and makes one sound uninformed.

You can change the controls quite easily with the config file. Perhaps I'm from an era where command lines and editing config files were the norm, but there not being a GUI for it seems barely even worth mentioning to me. You're going to have to trust that I do know what I'm talking about, and am not responding out of ignorance or emotion. The game is very likely in pretty much the exact state it was a year ago, with everybody moving on to other projects and them sitting on it due to contractual obligations. Keeping the product uniform on all platforms doesn't mean it's a cash in or rushjob at all, debugging for PC takes more effort, and being the smaller market I'm just thankful they spent the time making the PC release as bug free as console.

Describing such minor gripes as cashing in, IMO is offensive to the developers. One playthrough of the game and it's astoundingly clear that it's not a rush job. Talk to me about consolisation and cashing in with the COD series, and I'll be whinging along right beside you.


First of all, 1080p is slang, and making an assumption that when one uses slang they must be stupid, is an ignorant thing.


Secondly, I can edit config files fine, I used to love DOS, however, one shouldn't have to edit config files because the developers are too lazy to put that in when they are reselling the game on a different platform.


As for COD, I completely agree with you on that one, it shows a general trend among American developers towards quantity over quality. Why? Simply because people are more likely to buy COD 8 than they are to try a new IP.


In the end, it's us customers who are partially responsible because we need to let them know what's going on in an organized fashion. We can't just not buy the products because the market will interpret that as "the death of PC gaming" and just stop "wasting" money making games for PC in the future. The only option is for us to ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, welcome to America.


I don't think I handled myself in an inappropriate way, do you really expect me to stand there and get railed a new a-hole for trying to tell people my honest, educated, and informed opinion? I don't think it's fair. I am sorry if I offended you or anyone else and I appreciate you admitting maturely that you probably did the same.


In the end, the best thing to do is to listen to each other and influence the market as a group, because we are all the same to the companies, we are all customers. Fighting with each other while defending them is going to get us nowhere. I want to see some positive change in the video game marketplace and the only way to do that is for us to find common ground.

[GraboidStriker]

You seem to always find something to complain about.
You WANT there to be a problem so you can come to forum and use intelligent words to make yourself look smart and complain in forum to fulfill your psychological needs of complaining.

Game is good and works perfectly for me.

[smellylettuce]

I found the game to be close to perfection. Of course I have a 16:9 monitor though and simple tastes. Can't please everyone I guess.

[Goatman455]

You seem to always find something to complain about.
You WANT there to be a problem so you can come to forum and use intelligent words to make yourself look smart and complain in forum to fulfill your psychological needs of complaining.

Game is good and works perfectly for me.




Hahaha, so I want the game to suck so I can come and feel smart? I am just acting like my normal self so thank you for thinking I am smart and use big words, that would be a nice compliment under different circumstances.


You want to be complacent fine, but remember, complacency breeds mediocrity. If you don't see a problem you can't fix it, if you accept things as they are, you will never improve anything. It's your right to be complacent, but don't try and convince everyone else to accept things the way their are instead of improving the world around them. The time you do that is the second you become the negative influence you think you are protecting others from.


to fulfill your psychological needs of complaining.


Am I the only one who sees the irony in this statement?


Hopefully your complaining fills your need and you can go make your own post and stop cluttering up mine.



Let's be logical, if you want to disagree fine, but post:

-The reasons you think it wasn't rushed

-Other ports for comparison that were more rushed and less rushed

-Features you think it has that set it apart from the other versions or are catered to the PC.

If you can do this, you might have a point, but coming in here with weak arguments trying to damage my reputation by emotionally insulting me is not going to cut it with anyone who knows their subject matter. I implore you to use your brain and not your aggression to deal with this situation.

[WalmartGreetor]

I can understand being dissappointed to a certain extent that a game may not live up to ones expectations one way or another. But, GET OVER IT. Enjoy the game for what it is and be glad you can play it.

[Goatman455]

I can understand being dissappointed to a certain extent that a game may not live up to ones expectations one way or another. But, GET OVER IT. Enjoy the game for what it is and be glad you can play it.



While I respect your viewpoint from an individual level, I don't want to be that selfish. If I just accept half-effort ports it will affect others as well as future games. I think the best course of action is to let people know what's really going on. If they want to insult me fine, but all I can do is stay strong and continue to be straightforward and honest about what I perceive and believe.

[DustArma]

Not a computer guy? One to talk.. as most PC gamers would call that 1920x1080.. where a console nub would be using the re-re term "1080p".

So you have to be a "console nub" to use the standardized term of 1080p?

[BC2 Cypher]

It runs fine, looks good and sells for $10 bucks.

I don't see the problem.

It may just be upscaled 1280x720 but it's not like this is a graphically outstanding game. It's very dark and all done in grayscale.

And it doesn't look pixelated at all.

I mean really it's a very, very simple game. With simple mechanics and really good physics.

I don't get how you could be so unhappy with it.

[Butr0sButr0s]

So you wait for people like me to get burned then give them crap when they give you the advice you are waiting for, and I'm the moron?

Someone has to be the front runner, someone has to take the risk so you can sit back and get their opinion on it.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!


Yes, someone has to be the front runner - and for me its usually either review sites or people who aren't picky about games, I don't hope that anyone gets 'burned'. As you can see, there's a lot of people on the boards that don't care about specific graphics tweaks etc. and enjoy the game. For someone like myself (or you) its usually better to wait a single day and ask those others about resolution, input lag, controller compatibility, or watch some youtube videos captured in fraps.

[Moe45673]

A poor port? From the demo, I'm seeing a game that gives one the exact same experience xbox users got. We're talking about an indie game, a genre not known for their technical graphic GPU-pushing intensity, and you're complaining about the generic "blurriness"? What blurriness? The whole game is blurry, it's supposed to be.

Your argument is akin to going
"That girl looks like she's psycho, you shouldn't go hit on her"

and your friend goes "But she's cute. Why?"

"She just does, if you can't see it you're a moron"

Fail. How about describing that she's sitting there sharpening a machete on a stone, rather than hoping someone will agree with you and put forth more concrete evidence than vague terms like "half-effort cut and paste shoddy console port"

[shurcooL]

What this game is about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism

Why the poster of this thread has an issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

If you want your own indie game to be super complex, have 1000s of options and be a "good port" by your own definition, then go ahead and make one.

There are some people who can appreciate a good port, even if it doesn't have a thousand options to tweak. Because it doesn't need them. It's called simplicity and elegance.

[Subulgian]

In the end, the best thing to do is to listen to each other and influence the market as a group, because we are all the same to the companies, we are all customers. Fighting with each other while defending them is going to get us nowhere. I want to see some positive change in the video game marketplace and the only way to do that is for us to find common ground.The term "ATM machine" is frequently used also, and is a little pet hate of mine. Anyway, to avoid further cyclical arguments, perhaps you should take your own advice and see that the common ground here appears to be that in this case most of us don't feel like we have a strange entitlement to have a product which differs greatly from the console version.

[Goatman455]

The term "ATM machine" is frequently used also, and is a little pet hate of mine. Anyway, to avoid further cyclical arguments, perhaps you should take your own advice and see that the common ground here appears to be that in this case most of us don't feel like we have a strange entitlement to have a product which differs greatly from the console version.



Hahaha, why does everyone throw out the word entitlement in the absolute wrong context?

I think EVERYONE would rather have a port that actually caters to their PC than one that is just rushed out quickly.

Most people don't give enough of a crap to overcome their complacency or don't understand enough about how technology works to realize what's going on.


Hence my efforts to help and inform.



Or maybe you should take my advice and make your own thread about how great it is. In fact, I don't see ANY threads about how non-rushed this port is, or how it isn't a blatant cash in.

We aren't talking about that much effort for them to cater to the platform they are releasing the game on, you have to understand that point, it isn't a lot of work, it's just work. If you are gonna make money, you should have to work like everyone else.

Why in the video game industry do workers feel entitled enough to make money for doing next to nothing ;)


shurcool:

Minimalism doesn't apply to porting the game over. I had to laugh, I can see the designers statement now "We figured catering to the PC with customized controls and graphical settings would take away from the minimalist design philosophy we had thus rendering us complete hypocrites." Hahaha :)


You've also reversed your understanding of liberal and conservative. In this case, the designers are being conservative and I am being liberal at least in an economic sense. I want them to spend money, they are trying to save it by not putting work into their product, thus increasing their profit margin.


I must ask again, why defend them? What motivation do you have to defend this game from my observations? Why are my observations so harmful to you? They affect some people so much they can't even ignore them, they have to come in here and try and hurt my reputation by not disagreeing logically, but insulting me and my viewpoints.

Do this the right way with actual logical points:

"Let's be logical, if you want to disagree fine, but post:

-The reasons you think it wasn't rushed

-Other ports for comparison that were more rushed and less rushed

-Features you think it has that set it apart from the other versions or are catered to the PC.

-Reasons the game should not have to cater to the PC but should be a copy/paste port job"

[DarkChaplain]

I think EVERYONE would rather have a port that actually caters to their PC than one that is just rushed out quickly.

Sorry man, but it sounds like you'd rather have the developers take you out on a date as thanks for buying their product.

Most people don't give enough of a crap to overcome their complacency or don't understand enough about how technology works to realize what's going on.

Or maybe others just are enjoying what they paid for, rather than nitpick about not really well defined points like you do?


Hence my efforts to help and inform.
Your efforts have been noticed and deemed the complete oposite of what many others think. But hey, that's the nice thing about opinions ;)


Or maybe you should take my advice and make your own thread about how great it is. In fact, I don't see ANY threads about how non-rushed this port is, or how it isn't a blatant cash in.

The best game ever (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2036293)
Bought this game again :) (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2033301)
Thank you (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2034736)
Limbo works great in stereoscopic 3D Vision (not sure if that was the case in the X360 release)

People all over the net are praising this game as a masterpiece. Just a few twisted souls are still moaning about minor "issues".

We aren't talking about that much effort for them to cater to the platform they are releasing the game on, you have to understand that point, it isn't a lot of work, it's just work. If you are gonna make money, you should have to work like everyone else.

Actually, the developers have given people opportunities besides the X360 market to get an excellent game - enjoying a piece of art like that, mostly unchanged from the original product is totally enough. It's original, it works, it achieves exactly what the devs intended. Why change that?

Only in the video game industry do workers feel entitled enough to make money for doing next to nothing ;)

Yeah, right. Wanna ask how many lines of code are in that game? How many things had to be changed for the pc version to max out compatibility?

Only in the video game industry do potential customers feel entitled for every little damn thing, it's never enough, additional content has to be free and the products have to be spoon-fed so that they won't have to do a thing (like looking up a config file).


You've also reversed your understanding of liberal and conservative. In this case, the designers are being conservative and I am being liberal at least in an economic sense. I want them to spend money, they are trying to save it by not putting work into their product, thus increasing their profit margin.

Honestly, there is nothing wrong with "saving" money on there side, even if they did. As long as the actual product works as well as this game does, I don't expect them to idle any more hours at work, pretending to do work they've already completed anyway.


I must ask again, why defend them? What motivation do you have to defend this game from my observations? Why are my observations so harmful to you? They affect some people so much they can't even ignore them, they have to come in here and try and hurt my reputation by not disagreeing logically, but insulting me and my viewpoints.

Because they did a great job, both in originally creating the game, artistically and the way the game works.
I THANK THEM for bringing the game over. They've done a lot of fans a great service just by porting the game over.

Your "observations" are, as already stated by many a user, not clearly lined out and explained. You say you want to inform people, yet your initial point of criticism lacks essential information.
And seriously, NOTHING can hurt your "reputation" as much as your constant annoying posts on this whole forum. I can only guess, but there has to be a reason you sat in timeout at least once and get a hell lot of negative responses all around.

Now stop complaining.

[inspiral66]

^THIS^ Well said, DarkChaplain.

[Subulgian]

drivel
Not in the wrong context at all, you're the type of PC gamer who gives us "PC elitists" a bad name. Merely creating a thread doesn't mean you determine how the discussion inside it goes. I think most people are proving that they are perfectly happy with the way it is, just because it doesn't align with your viewpoint doesn't mean it's complacency. I know you think you're smarter than everybody here, and I can only speak for myself but you haven't said anything that is enlightening. Yes, I understand fully the points you are repeating ad nauseam, so I am showing you the same courtesy.

People have the right to say they couldn't care less if there's a GUI with control options in the game or not, with or without anything else to back it up. Perhaps it was a time/cost benefit calculation, perhaps the dev's themselves also believed it was unimportant. You can't laugh off minimalist design being a possible factor either, there's whole books written about it. The upscaling is very likely due to the art originally being designed with the lower res in mind. I don't care, it looks fantastic as it is and I certainly don't expect them to do over the entire game. In the end it's largely irrelevant to all but a vocal minority.

To paraphrase, why are peoples opinions and disagreement so harmful to you? To imply they've made money off us for doing next to nothing is just extraordinarily dumb. Sorry, but it is, and frankly this makes me slightly embarrassed that I've bothered replying.

[Monkeydrummer]

Note to developers:

Next time add a few switches with things like "Tessellation!" or "16xQ CSAA!" so the OP can feel satisfied by flicking them.

[kokonut10]

Am I the only one who thinks it looks fine as it is? :(

[shurcooL]

No, the game is clearly missing an option to turn on/off full-screen anti-aliasing, therefore I'm unsatisfied! [/sarcasm]

[DarkChaplain]

@shurcooL

Well, I think we seriously should have a switch to change the shadow depth as well [/sarcasm]

[inspiral66]

Am I the only one who thinks it looks fine as it is? :(

No, mate, I think the graphics and sound are great as they are. Unfortunately some people can't see beyond superficial technicalities and insist on calling them 'issues' when they are not. The gameplay and atmosphere are outstanding, surely that is what we should be talking about here? I'm bored of this resolution debate. Sadly the lack of choice as to what resolution you run it in is cropping on other threads too. *sighs*

[Goatman455]

Sorry man, but it sounds like you'd rather have the developers take you out on a date as thanks for buying their product.


So this means you think I am asking too much by having a port redesigned at least partially for the platform they are selling it on, or were you just being an ♥♥♥?



Honestly, there is nothing wrong with "saving" money on there side, even if they did. As long as the actual product works as well as this game does, I don't expect them to idle any more hours at work, pretending to do work they've already completed anyway.



There is if they don't do anything to cater it to the platform it's on imo.

ALREADY COMPLETED? Oh yeah, those customized controls and resolutions that they completely left out of the game are already completed. Why didn't you say so, we were arguing for nothing?


I'm bored of this resolution debate. Sadly the lack of choice as to what resolution you run it in is cropping on other threads too. *sighs*


It's like some people can't just accept reality, they have to have black and white. Either the game sucks and has problems or it's good and doesn't.


You are dealing with gray here, the game is great, the game is worth it, but it is unfortunate it has some issues such as being a blatantly quick port, with no PC specific options like customized controls and resolutions.

Let's see what happens with From Dust, and we can compare the two.

[DarkChaplain]

So this means you think I am asking too much by having a port redesigned at least partially for the platform they are selling it on, or were you just being an ♥♥♥?

Nope, that role I leave to you on this thread. You're doing fine anyway.
Also, there is no damn reason to redesign a working game which already found its place in people's hearts. Sometimes change is good, but there's something like too many changes people would hate.
It got additional ingame content, which you seem to forget (or ignore) all the time, that has to be enough.

There is if they don't do anything to cater it to the platform it's on imo.

See, there's the thing with opinions again. You have one, fine, but most people think otherwise. Don't expect them to understand your badly lined out points and swallow your !!!11eleven behavior.
Also, most people think the developers have "catered" to the PC market enough by finally bringing this game over in a relatively bugfree state, more content and an unaltered state.

It's like some people can't just accept reality, they have to have black and white. Either the game sucks and has problems or it's good and doesn't.
...and there are people who cannot accept that a product is just fine, enjoyable and working so they have to cut it into pieces so they find something to nitpick. I don't even think you're seriously pursuing your point. It feels too - forgive me the use of such a word - "trollish" at this point, sorry.

You are dealing with gray here, the game is great, the game is worth it, but it is unfortunate it has some issues such as being a blatantly quick port, with no PC specific options like customized controls and resolutions.

Good that you acknowledge that this game is worth the 10 bucks AND that its great. However, it does not seem you are satisfied with the value you get for 10 bucks (which the game is seemingly worth it to you), hence the "wanna go on a date with the developers" point further up this thread.

Also, what qualifies a bad port? Or a quick one? Usually, I don't care whether or not a Game has been ported, as long as it does not look horribly outdated due to console hardware constraints (doesn't work for Limbo), is unbelievably buggy (not the case for Limbo), and thats about it.

If the game works, it works. I get the same product, and know it will work. In more complex games I'd hope for active patching if necessary, and at times I get annoyed by "Press Start" screens in games (Alice: Madness Returns, Darksiders, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed).
Still, as long as these games work just fine and can utilize the potential of my PC, I don't care if it is a port or not.
I am glad LIMBO finally arrived on my platform.

[Moe45673]

Also, most people think the developers have "catered" to the PC market enough by finally bringing this game over in a relatively bugfree state, more content and an unaltered state.

This

Also, what qualifies a bad port? Or a quick one? Usually, I don't care whether or not a Game has been ported, as long as it does not look horribly outdated due to console hardware constraints (doesn't work for Limbo), is unbelievably buggy (not the case for Limbo), and thats about it.

And this.

Both are the main arguments against yours, Goatman. Well, those and the fact that you haven't pointed to a specific problem with the game other than generic "blurriness" and the keyboard mapping issue (which someone else first had to point out before you requisitioned it). While the latter is a valid complaint, it's hardly worth making a whole thread over complaining how the entire game is a shoddy console port.

But don't get watered down by my post. Respond to Dark Chaplain

[Goatman455]

First off, let's try and keep this civil, I wasn't helping earlier with my comments so I apologize if I offended anyone, but arguing without listening to each other will get us nowhere fast. I also want to say that I love Limbo, which is why I bought regardless of any issues the PC version may have.


I think it's kind of obvious if you compare this game to other ports that it was basically just quickly ported over and no concern was made to PC specific features (yes mainly the lack of keyboard customization and resolution choice).


You can't compare a port like Limbo to let's say GTA 4, because one is a huge complicated full release and one is an indie $10 game.



Limbo doesn't need tons of extra PC options but the lack of resolution support, that's something PCs need because of the differences in hardware not present on consoles. How can you not see that the game was ported cheaply and quickly?


The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take much effort to put those things in the game, and no one is talking about rewriting or changing core game play mechanics here, this is basic PC stuff that pretty much any well made game or port has.

If you were a reviewer are you telling me you wouldn't dock the score (or at least mention that particular negative point in your review) for no PC specific configs like resolution/keyboard config?

[ExoGenesis]

there is more fail in this post then there is in this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/Modshoot#p/u/6/wcJ5abMTbmM

[DarkChaplain]

Good to know that Goatman is as dodgy as ever ;)

I think it's kind of obvious if you compare this game to other ports that it was basically just quickly ported over and no concern was made to PC specific features (yes mainly the lack of keyboard customization and resolution choice).

If I compare this to other ports, I see remnants of console parts, like start screens, the way menues are done, or horrible bugs and REALLY BAD keyboard layouts. I see none of these in LIMBO.

You can't compare a port like Limbo to let's say GTA 4, because one is a huge complicated full release and one is an indie $10 game.

Then again, LIMBO has a better port than most big titles. You know, those with millions of a budget and still cost 50-60 bucks even though they are "rushed" ports.
I won't close an eye or two just because the big publishers' games might be more complex, no. They have the money, staff and knowledge to COMPENSATE that. Do they really take their time? No. Assassin's Creed 1, 2 and Brotherhood took MONTHS to arrive on PC, and yet they are horrible ports that don't utilize your whoe hardware like they should, have horrible pixelated shadows, texture pop-ins, all kinds of horribad stuff.
And look, Ubisoft has been doing over a dozen products for the franchise, both in games, books and even movie projects.
Ubisoft is just an example, but how can you condemn LIMBO for being simplistic by design choice but guard big publishers for their games being "complicated"?

Limbo doesn't need tons of extra PC options but the lack of resolution support, that's something PCs need because of the differences in hardware not present on consoles. How can you not see that the game was ported cheaply and quickly?

The game runs on older machines as well as newer ones. The lack of resolution options won't change that. It does not consume hardware like other titles, it simply works. If they can guarantee it works on "5 year old video cards" like in the requirements, then that is totally enough for me.

The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take much effort to put those things in the game, and no one is talking about rewriting or changing core game play mechanics here, this is basic PC stuff that pretty much any well made game or port has.

It might not take much effort, but it wouldn't make much sense either. Options like these are just placebos for people who measure a port's worth in advanced options.
The Fullscreen only is a design choice, which goes hand in hand with the automatic resolution. There is nothing wrong with it. Heck, if I want to, I can even stream that fullscreen game online without too much trouble!

And yes, like people have pointed out on this thread MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY, look up the config file in LIMBO's directory. You can change the keyboard config without much trouble. If you're as computer savvy as you want us to think, then that sure shouldn't be horrible.

Also, I miss the times where not every game was all about WASD and people got confused when there were no WASD controls for once.

If you were a reviewer are you telling me you wouldn't dock the score (or at least mention that particular negative point in your review) for no PC specific configs like resolution/keyboard config?

Mind you, I am. And no, I would not lower the score because I miss a placebo setting that has no bearing on the game. I would mention that there is only fullscreen, but as this is a brave design choice and window mode would take away from the atmosphere, I would rather rate that decision GOOD than BAD as you do. The automatic resolution goes well with that design choice and gave me no trouble whatsoever.
That you'd have to change a config file would get mentioned, but I'd trust that people who choose PC gaming have enough brains to comprehend that. It's no negative point to me.

[Goatman455]

Good to know that Goatman is as dodgy as ever

This is my thread keep in mind. When I see people start missing the point I put the topic back on the point I wanted to discuss. If you don't like the area go make your own topic so I can come in and give you a hard time instead of vice versa ;) That said thank you for at least addressing my concerns unlike some people who just come in to be mean.

Then again, LIMBO has a better port than most big titles. You know, those with millions of a budget and still cost 50-60 bucks even though they are "rushed" ports.


My point was that's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. A rushed Limbo port will be superior to a rushed GTA 4 port always.

The automatic resolution goes well with that design choice and gave me no trouble whatsoever.
That you'd have to change a config file would get mentioned, but I'd trust that people who choose PC gaming have enough brains to comprehend that. It's no negative point to me.

I am sorry but I feel you are making excuses for them. If you think the "Automatic Resolution" (which I believe is just scaled anyway, we need a pixel counter here!) and needing to edit a config file was a design choice and not due to rushing I just think you are being overly optimistic to the point of fooling yourself and unfortunately perhaps, others as well.



The game runs on older machines as well as newer ones. The lack of resolution options won't change that. It does not consume hardware like other titles, it simply works. If they can guarantee it works on "5 year old video cards" like in the requirements, then that is totally enough for me.

This is why indie titles are ripe for quick porting. No one seems to notice or care that it was rushed, that's your opinion and I respect your right to like whatever you want, but know that you are hurting you and everyone else's ability to get catered PC products like we used to get.


And yes, like people have pointed out on this thread MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY, look up the config file in LIMBO's directory. You can change the keyboard config without much trouble. If you're as computer savvy as you want us to think, then that sure shouldn't be horrible.


Again, that just proves my point about how they didn't even put the effort in to make a menu that edits that config file. How many other games do you have to go into a config file to do this? I can't believe you can't acknowledge that editing a config file means they didn't put effort in, it's just obvious 2+2=4 stuff here.

Do you really think you are maintaining objectivity? It seems to me like some people's feeling of the game as a whole is getting in the way of their opinion of this port.

I have a 360 pad, and I am fine with the auto resolution. This argument is about the principle of Quantity over Quality that is pervading the marketplace nowadays. That HAS to end on the customer level, companies will not just start putting more effort in if they can make just as much money and have their greedy actions defended by customers.


You are entitled to your own opinion but I just think it would be smart to at least heed my warning.

[CaptainDingo]

Not a computer guy huh?

Judging by the fact that you use the term 1080p, one would be inclined to think that you're the one who's "not a computer guy". The ___p usage is exclusively TV and console terminology that doesn't mean anything in the world of computers, where we prefer to refer to exact pixel specifications (1024x768, 1600x900, etc).

...But I guess you're not a computer guy either, so I can see why you wouldn't know that.

Let me guess, you're also playing the game with an Xbox controller, right?

[DustArma]

Judging by the fact that you use the term 1080p, one would be inclined to think that you're the one who's "not a computer guy". The ___p usage is exclusively TV and console terminology that doesn't mean anything in the world of computers, where we prefer to refer to exact pixel specifications (1024x768, 1600x900, etc).

...But I guess you're not a computer guy either, so I can see why you wouldn't know that.

Let me guess, you're also playing the game with an Xbox controller, right?

1080p can be used on computers connected to HD TVs or with screens with resolutions compliant with the HD standard (which names 1280x720 as 720p and 1920x1080 as 1080p)

That has absolutely nothing to do with "being a computer guy"


And, what's the problem with using the kind of controller the game was designed for?

[Sweetz]

Not a computer guy huh?

IT DOESN'T SUPPORT RESOLUTION CHANGES!

It's pretty blatantly unconverted to whatever the desktop resolution is, the result is a blurry image relative to true multi-resolution support. You can really see this when in the menu and tell by the fact their are no options to change the resolution.
It's 2D, the resolution of the source art is what it is - so changing resolution would be completely moot. It's a different animal than rasterized 3D graphics. The source art will be scaled regardless.

The game is set to run at your desktop resolution - which presumably you should have set as your native res, which is therefore the highest true resolution you can run. If you were to use a lower resolution, the game will just be scaled back to your native res by your video card or your monitor anyway - essentially producing the same net result.

The only possible reason one could have for changing the game's resolution is if it had a windowed mode, resolution could determine the size of the window. However, running the game windowed would be so contrary to it's nature that I think it's fine it lacks the option. I.e. if you're not immersing yourself in the game's atmosphere you're missing the point. This is not a game you should play while alternatively browsing Reddit or something.

So ultimately, there's really no reason the game needs a resolution option. Your complaint is not rationally considered, or perhaps not technically informed.

I find the inability to easily remap controls to be the only complaint about the port that carries any substance.

[Goatman455]

It's 2D, the resolution of the source art is what it is - so changing resolution would be completely moot. It's a different animal than rasterized 3D graphics. The source art will be scaled regardless.

The game is set to run at your desktop resolution - which presumably you should have set as your native res, which is therefore the highest true resolution you can run. If you were to use a lower resolution, the game will just be scaled back to your native res by your video card or your monitor anyway - essentially producing the same net result.

The only possible reason one could have for changing the game's resolution is if it had a windowed mode, resolution could determine the size of the window. However, running the game windowed would be so contrary to it's nature that I think it's fine it lacks the option. I.e. if you're not immersing yourself in the game's atmosphere you're missing the point. This is not a game you should play while alternatively browsing Reddit or something.

So ultimately, there's really no reason the game needs a resolution option. Your complaint is not rationally considered, or perhaps not technically informed.

I find the inability to easily remap controls to be the only complaint about the port that carries any substance.

What you don't realize is that's exactly what I'm saying.

They have to do more work to get that in there without scaling it. Thank you, I agree, you just proved my "not technically informed" point completely.

[Whole]

The Bastion devs redid the art in 1080p for PC, you should support them.

Considering Limbo took a year to get to PC the devs could have put in a bit of extra effort instead of what's basically just a straight port job.

[Subulgian]

I think you'll find Bastion went the other way around, starting with some very high res hand painted art and lowering it for console. This is the right way to go about it, for sure, but is a far cry from redoing the art. They no doubt had plans to be on PC from the get go. Unfortunately artwork aside, I find the game completely uninspiring.

[Goatman455]

The Bastion devs redid the art in 1080p for PC, you should support them.

Considering Limbo took a year to get to PC the devs could have put in a bit of extra effort instead of what's basically just a straight port job.


I plan on it, see the difference everyone, Bastion just came out for 360 and Limbo took a year. See what the difference is b/t a quick cash in and something where time and effort was put in? (or at least was planned out better, lack of planning on their part shouldn't constitute a lower quality product on the customers end)


Is it to wrong to ask for Quality over Quantity in that respect? Why am I getting criticized for that, I think we have gotten jaded because so many developers rush things now.

[Subulgian]

You need to drop the year thing, it's been answered, and is irrelevant. So suits behind Bastion were more aggressive when drafting up a contract, it has nothing to do with being a supposed quick cash in. Go read about Team Meat's pleasant dealings with Microsoft (incidentally Meat Boy has resolution options lol).

[Goatman455]

You need to drop the year thing, it's been answered, and is irrelevant. So suits behind Bastion were more aggressive when drafting up a contract, it has nothing to do with being a supposed quick cash in. Go read about Team Meat's pleasant dealings with Microsoft (incidentally Meat Boy has resolution options lol).


I am not an idiot (assuming other people are idiots when talking to them causes misinterpretations of their ideas), I understand the exclusive thing. Think about it a little differently.

It's not irrelevant, they can't release for a year but they can work on it during that year. Microsoft doesn't prevent them from doing work or planning out what they are going to do.

[Sweetz]

What you don't realize is that's exactly what I'm saying.

They have to do more work to get that in there without scaling it. Thank you, I agree, you just proved my "not technically informed" point completely.
I don't know that the game would notably benefit from having higher resolution source art. I think the soft edges are appropriate to the art style and the game still looks great on the 40" 1920x1080 HDTV that I use as my main PC display.

Your initial complaint was directed at the inability to change resolutions, which, as elaborated, would be pointless. How did this transform into a complaint that all of the art wasn't completely redone?

[Goatman455]

@Goatman455 you ♥♥♥♥tard stole my time. just die.

Geez, if you don't like thinking why bother going to a forum?


I don't know that the game would notably benefit from having higher resolution source art. I think the soft edges are appropriate to the art style and the game still looks great on the 40" 1920x1080 HDTV that I use as my main PC display.

Your initial complaint was directed at the inability to change resolutions, which, as elaborated, would be pointless. How did this transform into a complaint that all of the art wasn't completely redone?



Thing is, all scaling the resolution would do is make it more similar to the original version (at least on a TV that shares the resolution with the original source art).


Funny thing is that art wouldn't be as blurry on a 1:1 pixel ratio so saying they did it as a design decision is simply not true, because in it's original form it wouldn't be so blurry.

Maybe a happy design accident.


BTW, it is nice to see at least they are patching the game, the latest update says resolution option added to settings.txt, it's not perfect but it's something, it shows they are putting effort in and that's important.