Dear Steam. 15% off for pre-order please.

[friedricemonste]

What is the point of pre-ordering a game when there is no benefit. It's not like you guys are going to run out of game keys. Also this game's file size is relatively small, pre-installing would not be a big benefit. On the flip side, it is better not to pre-order, as it is pretty common a console port can be pretty buggy.

So if buyers are willing to risk their wallet for an unreleased console port, at least reward them with a 15% discount.

Edit: yes 15% is a big deal to me, if Steam grants the 15% discount, collectively as gamers, we can save millions of dollars. Think of it that way, cuz i care about u guys mmmmkay.

[Ryswick17]

Sure is entitlement issues.

[jimmywolf]

their nothing wrong with want discount Thu think 10% is Little more common for pre order the way things work on steam wait 3 months an it be on sell 50% off or very least it will be part of winter sale so to want too be reward for pre order versus waiting not bad thing i desire the game but think 10$ more fair limbo was that price as well as Chantelise

[henry9456]

What is the point of pre-ordering a game when there is no benefit. It's not like you guys are going to run out of game keys. Also this game's file size is relatively small, pre-installing would not be a big benefit. On the flip side, it is better not to pre-order, as it is pretty common a console port can be pretty buggy.

So if buyers are willing to risk their wallet for an unreleased console port, at least reward them with a 15% discount.

Edit: yes 15% is a big deal to me, if Steam grants the 15% discount, collectively as gamers, we can save millions of dollars. Think of it that way, cuz i care about u guys mmmmkay.

More people will probably buy it if its 15% off too.

[Applekid]

The only reason I haven't pre-ordered it yet. I've been sitting back waiting for some sort of pre-order benefit. Be it some sort of discount and/or the inclusion of some bonus item that is steam exclusive.

If they don't then I have to decide whether I want to pay $15 or wait and see if it gets bundled into one of the holiday sales.

[bobbalas]

What is wrong with you people? If you don't think it's worth 15 dollars then don't buy it, just because you don't get a discount of a dollar it shouldn't influence your purchase if you want the game or not. Stop making these threads because there's no point.

[seraphic22]

It is perfectly reasonable to expect some type of bonus for preordering. As a consumer we are putting our trust in the developer when we preorder, which is a big thing especially considering how many games are broken on release. They expect us to preorder which benefits them but is actually much worse for the consumer.

Put simply if you preorder this then you are being foolish. What possible reason would you have to do that? All you are doing is potentially buying a broken game and gaining absolutely nothing in the process, whereas those who wait still get the game at the same time but get to see initial reviews or possibly get the 10% release discount that is often put on games.

Give us a reason to preorder or don't offer it.

[Antichrist XVII]

I don't get this... the game is $15 and people are constantly complaining that it is too high or want a discount. I have yet to see this much crying for any of the games that retailed at $60. I'll just say what everyone said to them in this:

If the price is too high, then don't buy it!

[SheldonDragon]

The price is OK. But no preorder bonus? :mad:

[Tulipopa]

I highly doubt there's gonna be a "10% release discount" or any pre-order bonuses in the upcoming week, because people who have already preordered it would feel extremely cheated. Granted, it would kinda be their own fault, but still...

If Bastion wouldn't be available for pre-ordering, people would complain about that... just like they did with LIMBO.

[JoeB]

Not every game has a pre-order benefit and I'm pretty certain if it wasn't available to buy already, people would be asking when they could pre-order.

[Xaveri]

This Pre-order entitlement bullcrap is what is making games like Batman Arkham City come with all kinds of screwed bonuses for each region making the whole thing feel cheap and moronic.

Pre-order a game because you want to support the developer or do it because you want to be able to download it first or have it delivered the day it came out. If not, just buy it after it comes out.

[Antichrist XVII]

Pre-order a game because you want to support the developer or do it because you want to be able to download it first or have it delivered the day it came out. If not, just buy it after it comes out.

That... I preordered Rage because I've been waiting for it for 4 years and want it as soon as possible... Hopefully I can preload it...

[premier666]

Agreed with OP. It makes no sense to pay early for a downloadable game.

It's not "entitlement". I'm giving them cash before I can see the product, before reviews, and before discovery of bugs (there are always bugs). This isn't back in the stone age when I had to go to a brick and mortar store to grab a physical copy of the game, something that might actually run out.

It's basically, taking risks (game-breaking bugs and insurmountable control issues are quite common in console ports, if these forums are any indication) for the privilege of paying early.

[careface312]

I'm waiting for the xmas sale personally, don't really understand the hype this game is getting.

Each to their own though, enjoy it people who are buying :)

[PurSpyk!!]

Wamted to buy, but with the current exchange rates and no prepurchase discount, I will also wait. Would love a demo as well.

[Dr. Bloodmoney]

You do know it's not really up to Valve/Steam if a game sees a price cut or a bonus, well outside of something for TF2 and even then I'm sure the developer and publisher have final say on that.

So if your going to file a greivence about that take it up with Warner Bros interactive.

As for a Demo I recall seeing somewhere that a Demo will be out a few days before launch.

[Me2nice]

What is the point of pre-ordering a game when there is no benefit. It's not like you guys are going to run out of game keys. Also this game's file size is relatively small, pre-installing would not be a big benefit. On the flip side, it is better not to pre-order, as it is pretty common a console port can be pretty buggy.

So if buyers are willing to risk their wallet for an unreleased console port, at least reward them with a 15% discount.

Edit: yes 15% is a big deal to me, if Steam grants the 15% discount, collectively as gamers, we can save millions of dollars. Think of it that way, cuz i care about u guys mmmmkay.

I fail to see how this is a console port when the console version hasn't even been out for very long.

Either the developers work quickly, or you're wrong about it being a console (my money's on the latter).

You may want to work on those anti-console issues you have.



That being said...


I,too, would like a pre-order bonus; not because I feel entitled, but because I like to save money. They don't have to do it, but it would be nice of them if they did.

[Hiphoppington]

I guess some people feel entitled, but I don't. Truth is, I'm going to buy it day one anyway but I'm holding out until then on the off chance there's a preorder incentive or discout of some kind.

That's not entitlement, that's being smart. Regardless, I'm not the person who made this thread either so I can't speak for them.

[Soupias]

The point of this thread is simple:

Why pre-order when there is no incentive to do so?


Answers that contain words like 'don't buy', 'it's only 15€', 'entitlements' are very irrelevant.

Pre-ordering and paying up-front was a way to ensure a physical copy on release and avoid shortages. (badly planned supply from the publisher if you ask me) In the era of digital distribution they try to keep the 'pre-order thing' alive by offering other incentives like small discounts and in-game items. But when there's nothing, it is difficult to find a reason to pay them upfront.

I also do not get the whole 'I pre-oder to support the developer thing'. Why? Is he providing some sort of common good service? He is selling a product to you like every other business. Do you guys pay long before you get a product in other areas in your life? Do you support you local pizza-shop because it is delicious by paying for the pizza that you will eat in the next football game that is gonna happen in 20 days?

I just not get it. Some of you do and pre-order that is fine. But at least accept the fact that it is not justifiable by any means to pre-order digital content with no bonus given!

[Meowth]

Boo hoo you didn't save your precious $2 on a game. Call the wahmbulance.

[Askjosh]

what is up with all of you entitlement pricks. just pay full price at launch and enjoy the game now or wait for a sale. btw I pre-ordered the game as soon as I saw it was on steam.

[LLAndy]

15$ is already a low price for a game.. think of the "big" games that get released for 60$. Just pretend like it's a 20$ game, with 25% off. (I'd imagine that's what a lot of game companies do anyway)

[sirkiko]

There was a benefit in my case. Bastion is no longer available to Brazil so the promo was "Buy it now because we will remove it before the launch!".

[ArmorArmadillo]

Considering the game is pretty close to launch on the 360 and it was full price on launch there, whats the issue here? If you arent happy with the price just wait until christmas or something when it will be inevitably on sale. If the game was a full on $60 title then sure i might expect it since steam is usually more pricey than retail and the preorder price shaves it down, but nope.

[henry9456]

what is up with all of you entitlement pricks. just pay full price at launch and enjoy the game now or wait for a sale. btw I pre-ordered the game as soon as I saw it was on steam.

Whats up with all these fanboy pricks, the game hasn't even come out yet!

[Benedict9999]

The point of this thread is simple:

Why pre-order when there is no incentive to do so?


Answers that contain words like 'don't buy', 'it's only 15€', 'entitlements' are very irrelevant.

Pre-ordering and paying up-front was a way to ensure a physical copy on release and avoid shortages. (badly planned supply from the publisher if you ask me) In the era of digital distribution they try to keep the 'pre-order thing' alive by offering other incentives like small discounts and in-game items. But when there's nothing, it is difficult to find a reason to pay them upfront.

I also do not get the whole 'I pre-oder to support the developer thing'. Why? Is he providing some sort of common good service? He is selling a product to you like every other business. Do you guys pay long before you get a product in other areas in your life? Do you support you local pizza-shop because it is delicious by paying for the pizza that you will eat in the next football game that is gonna happen in 20 days?

I just not get it. Some of you do and pre-order that is fine. But at least accept the fact that it is not justifiable by any means to pre-order digital content with no bonus given!

well said. I for one am going to wait until there are good reviews for PC version before I get it. I will buy it after release, and it will be the same price.

[skidpro520]

oh hell I bought it pre-purchased (thinking I could download it now and activate later as I am away with out a connection), no its not worth buying now, I wish I hadnt, I should have waited. There is no point, I thought I could download it thats why I boiught it, now I gotta wait until I get back in a week after to download it....I feel stoopid:)

[taodemon]

Pre-purchasing is important if you are buying at a store to guarantee yourself a copy but there is no reason to do it if you are buying it digitally since copies don't normally run out. Which is why there is usually some sort of pre-order bonus or in the case of no bonus sometimes a discount as an incentive to prepurchase digitally.

It has little to do with entitlement, if there is no discount or no preorder bonus I have no reason to preorder when I can just purchase it at the same price when I eventually have the time to play it instead of paying ahead of time for something I might not get around to playing for a while.

[peteed1985]

LOL @ OP, steam has no control over the price at launch so asking them to do it is epic fail >_> ask the makers of the game.

When game makers say put it on sale they take the loss. If steam did it however Steam would get less/no profit on the game since they still have to give the set amount to the makers and with this low cost game steams cut is probably like 10% or 15% lol.

[Freyar]

Base is $14.99, which means the discount the OP is looking for is $2.25

Frankly, the game's already cheap and for Steam, the pre-ordering should be look at as more of a budgeting tool and to support developers with games that you are interested in. $15 for a game that (so far) seems like a great indie title and has (as far as I've seen) gotten great reception is not that bad of an asking price.

It has little to do with entitlement, if there is no discount or no preorder bonus I have no reason to preorder when I can just purchase it at the same price when I eventually have the time to play it instead of paying ahead of time for something I might not get around to playing for a while.

Then don't pre-order it. Wait till you're ready to buy it, and buy it then.

[taodemon]

Base is $14.99, which means the discount the OP is looking for is $2.25

Frankly, the game's already cheap and for Steam, the pre-ordering should be look at as more of a budgeting tool and to support developers with games that you are interested in. $15 for a game that (so far) seems like a great indie title and has (as far as I've seen) gotten great reception is not that bad of an asking price.



Then don't pre-order it. Wait till you're ready to buy it, and buy it then.

There is nothing wrong with the price. The only reason I even mentioned a discount was to make up for lack of bonuses that some games will include for preorder customers (usually these are more interesting than any discount anyways).

As for supporting developers with games I am interested in, I'm being just as supportive buying it on release day as I am preording it. They would make the same money off of me.

The game looks amazing, indie or not. Being an artist myself I can really appreciate the look of the game and the time and effort that must have gone into making it that way. The gameplay looks really good too. A lot of the indie games I have come across on steam are much better values than most of the AAA titles that have been coming out lately.

And I will get it when I get around to it, whether that is on release day or later I'm not sure it, but whichever it ends up being makes little difference. If there was some sort of preorder bonus (content wise, since a discount wouldn't make much of a difference for me) I would probably find myself preording it instead. Not pre-ordering can be just as effective a budgeting tool too. ;)

[skelter192]

The only thing a preorder should really do is preload. If it doesn't have that or any bonuses there is no reason for it. Just wait for the demo before complaining about the price.

[seanyc123]

The age of entitled children.

Don't preorder if you expect some sort of incentive that isn't there, that simple. I was only going to buy it as soon as it released on the store anyway and buying it a few days ago means I know I'm getting the game on the 16th, I'm not going to run out of gaming funds for Bastion between now and release because it's already purchased.
I guess I could not put my trust in the developers as you put it and wait for it to come out on steam and then buy because... well, why would I do that?
I'm not siding with Valve btw, just logic and rational thought.

[Angrypasta]

I played Bastion and talked to the Supergiant guys at PAX East, and that was all the enticement I needed to know that I was going to buy this game.

I could have waited until release to purchase it, but I figured there was no reason for delay. My pre-order bonus is knowing that I am supporting some really awesome indie devs who will hopefully go on to make bigger and better titles.

I felt good about pre-ordering Bastion, and I didn't need 2 dollars off, or a virtual hat to enforce that for me.

[Sheen_ES]

I used to pre-order games when I bought retail ones. You know, go to the shop and see there is not any copy of that game you really want to play is not funny. But now I only buy digital games so, I never pre-order games. Why? There are infinite copies at the store. XD

Anyway, I think is very good to support Indie devs, and I'll buy this game when I see there is not a buggy one or a bad port. I mean, when I know the game is stable and good programmed. I prefer to wait although this mean the game will cost me 2 o 5 bucks more. Supports indie devs not mean support their experiments (Magicka is a good example. Great game, but at the beginning it was the buggy one). The good point (or not, you know) is this game came from XBLA so it should be empty of bugs.

I cannot say if 15€ is cheaper or not for this indie game. The only thing I can say is this game is more expensive than normally for a game like this if we compared with others (Anomaly, Terraria, Capsized, Ion Assault, Limbo, Shatter, etc..) But Bastion looks like really great, so why not? But not before I read some reviews (press & users).

Regards.

[bloocheese565]

I preorder games if I want to buy them and have the money for them now. I don't need any silly bonus. A bonus is nice, but if a game catches my eye and is good, there doesn't NEED to be a bonus.

When you say "it isn't entitlement", what is it than?

[Sheen_ES]

I preorder games if I want to buy them and have the money for them now.

Hmm, good point. I cannot do that, I always found a game I want to buy. :(

[JoeB]

The only thing a preorder should really do is preload. If it doesn't have that or any bonuses there is no reason for it. Just wait for the demo before complaining about the price.

Let's put it this way. If there was no pre-order option, then people would be opening threads asking why not. Some (including myself) like to hand their money over right away just so I don't have to worry about it later and I can start playing the moment the game is released. Plus as said above, it shows immediate towards the developer.

[El_Chalupa]

Sure is entitlement issues.

Did anyone read this?

[Petsura]

It would be enough if they would just learn the correct conversion rate from $ to € and price it correctly so I don't have to feel like getting ripped off and ♥♥♥♥ed over.

And it doesn't surprise me at all that the devs apparently don't feel the need to give us a reason as to why it is like it is.

[Requiemcliff]

It would be enough if they would just learn the correct conversion rate from $ to € and price it correctly so I don't have to feel like getting ripped off and ♥♥♥♥ed over.

And it doesn't surprise me at all that the devs apparently don't feel the need to give us a reason as to why it is like it is.

I understand the problem and it is stupid as hell, but it typically isn't the devs fault. Steam has always had this issue for as long as I can recall, yelling at the devs won't do much.

[robotosis]

I'll enjoy Bastion while you guys cry over $2

[Vovin]

I'll enjoy Bastion while you guys cry over $2


This.

Support the devs. Pay appropriate prices. ;)

[SSWeltenfeind]

I played Bastion and talked to the Supergiant guys at PAX East, and that was all the enticement I needed to know that I was going to buy this game.

I could have waited until release to purchase it, but I figured there was no reason for delay. My pre-order bonus is knowing that I am supporting some really awesome indie devs who will hopefully go on to make bigger and better titles.

I felt good about pre-ordering Bastion, and I didn't need 2 dollars off, or a virtual hat to enforce that for me.

I completely agree :)

I haven't played it yet, but I think everything I know about the game is enough to pre-order it right now. NOW! :D

[Grinx]

I wish they had upped the price by 15% and given a 15% preorder discount so all these people would stop complaining and buy the game...

[StabbyStabStab]

You're seriously complaining about there not being a $1 discount?

All Im hoping for is a good PC port.

[Morosi]

<Sigh> People always find something to complain about.

[Sir Derick]

Seriously? Don't want to pay 15$ for the game then don't get it until the price drops.

It's nice to have pre-order bonus when you get them, but to actively demand for one? That just screams stupid.

[SSWeltenfeind]

I pre-ordered it 1 minute before the release :D

[Tomires]

Mmm, there's even a Soundtrack Edition :)

[ZenBirdMan]

Hmm...might have to get the soundtrack edition. Looks (and sounds) fantastic!

[Kador01]

Why buy the soundtrack when you can probably find the sound files in the install somewhere

[Kaese]

I am waiting on the ubersale in 1 or 2 months too.

I see no reason in preordering or buying at full price without a discount or bonus.
You guys can flame all you want about entitlement.
It is just a matter of not having any advantage to paying full price.
And MI MI MI MI, the poor indies need support!!
Then they should have given us a 10% preorder or release week discount, simple as that. Or how about the soundtrack for free, owait its sold additionally so I would have to pay 30$(20€) which is pretty close to what a AAA game costs (35$).

See you guys in a month, paying less and having the better (bugfree) experience.

[Soupias]

I really do not get the whole 'support the devs' thing. Bastion is released and this forum will come to life with people complaining about bugs. Which is something usual for new releases and especially indie. However people claim that they feel good about supporting the devs and pre-purchasing a bug ridden experience that they hope will be fixed with the first patches. And on top of that they call other people complaining 'entitlement kiddies'. I wonder who is the kid really, the one that wants to get his money worth from the product purchased or the one that spends the money pre-purchasing something and 'supporting' by beta testing?

I find it very disturbing that many gamers today are happy with less and less. We 've come to a point where we are willingly pre-paying to beta test a product and are happy if bugs are fixed sometime after release.

Of course I should not complain because these people are useful by helping others make better buying decisions.

[robotsonik]

For me, the game sold itself and I feel the $15 price tag is a steal for this impressively polished game. I'm not buying the game because it had a discount on it, nor because it came with a hat or any other silliness. I'm buying it (and pre-ordered it) for the game. Simple. I'm not entitled to a discount or bonus. I'm entitled to the game I bought. Again, simple.

As for the benefit to me personally of preordering, it was so that I could pay for it when I knew I had the money to spare. That way, I would be able to play it today and not wait until payday :)

Pre-order bonuses are gimmicks that were cooked up by the big game publishers when they figured out that all they needed to do to get a lot of people to give money up front for a game was to give them a piece of cheese. Push the button, get the cheese.

It's a silly and smart marketing/business tactic/gimmick, but it works. It works really really well. Unfortunately, any game that puts a pre-order option up without a "bonus" is subjected to a thread like this. I knew I had a spare $15 2 weeks ago, and so I pre-ordered. I'm glad I did or I would have had to wait and this game doesn't deserve waiting :p

Anyway, I have a game to play! :D

Cheers!

[Petsura]

I understand the problem and it is stupid as hell, but it typically isn't the devs fault. Steam has always had this issue for as long as I can recall, yelling at the devs won't do much.
No.

The developers usually have a say in this as well.
The people responsible for steam give out loose price-guidelines and ask the devs whether or not they agree with the pricing.

I'd really love to buy the game+soundtrack bundle but as it stands right now I'd rather pirate the game than pay for it knowing that I'm being overcharged for no apparent reason.

[Dionok]

Sure is entitlement issues.

Quoted for truth.

[Franpa]

I got a discount of around 70 cents :) Aww yeah AUD > USD and Steam sells to us in USD (Unlike Origin).

[Fenizrael]

I pre-ordered the game because it makes me feel glad to support unknown titles that look incredibly promising.
If the devs/publisher feel they should offer a discount on the game, then by all means they should - but I think it speaks volumes about a game when they DON'T lower the price and 99% of people praise the game anyway.

If $15 is really that big a deal for you then you should go get a job.

On a related note, this game wasn't buggy at all for me, and the devs look like they're working like maniacs to fix all the problems they've encountered thanks to all our wonderful forum-goers. I've also bought much more expensive games in the past which gave incredibly unsatisfactory gameplay - so I think paying $15 for a game which I thoroughly enjoyed was actually a total steal.

I'll enjoy Bastion while you guys cry over $2
Hahahahah! That two dollars could have bought these babies a lollypop.

[Petsura]

I like how the only people not complaining about the pricing are the people paying 15$ for it.

I'd like to hear more opinions about it from people who live in either Europe or Australia.

[Zefar]

In Europe it cost €13.99. Which is quite fair.

Anyway this thread is about asking pre order bonus and since it's released you guys might have to wait to Christmas for it to on sale if not sooner.

But I'll be closing this as it serves no purpose.