Dear Devs, make running w/ knife out fast please

[_ACID_]

Being able to move slightly faster with the knife out is an interesting mechanic. It requires you to have mapknowledge and leads to you either arriving somewhere unexpectedly fast and killing people as a reward or on the flip side to get killed because you underestimated the opposing players spawn and speed yourself. This ambiguousness is great fun and makes for more tension in gameplay.

Please at least give it a try while you are still in beta, it would add an interesting but unimportant layer to gameplay and make the game even more fun.



Edit: Source and 1.6 have the same running speeds, apparently 1.5s knife had you run faster than pistols.

[Sinna]

yep agree ^^

The good old Kniferun.

[SOTGAN]

just add sprint key and dont add headbob is what i would like

[mykkE]

just add sprint key and dont add headbob is what i would like

Do not listen to this guy as a 8+ years comp cs player this will unbalance the entire game. Sprint should never touch a cs game.. If it does the game will fail. Easy solution go play cod nub

[Perfectionist]

Prob best not to listen to this guy either, nub? Who cares if people are new.

It would be probably be good if the pistols like the deagle added a slightly different level of speed, a sort of inbetween.

[mykkE]

Prob best not to listen to this guy either, nub? Who cares if people are new.

It would be probably be good if the pistols like the deagle added a slightly different level of speed, a sort of inbetween.

Valve should care if people are new. People new to the game wont notice a game similar to 1.6 with graphics updates and some tweeks and changes versus a completely new cod clone impossible for comp POS. Luckily they are asking the experts in CSS and 1.6 on their feedback, not the "smart" people on SPUF

[_ACID_]

Oh wow, what a great game that would be
They should release it just for ♥♥♥♥s and giggles, it'd be the "ADS hats and instantkills" game

[MrPancakesFatty]

They should just have the old game with new maps and graphics and guns =/

[IcarusNine]

This ambiguousness was great fun in the pre-source versions.

But not in the Source versions?

[_ACID_]

But not in the Source versions?

That's right, not in source. 1.6s scout was fastest, the knife was slightly slower, then came pistols and smgs, rifles were even slower and awp was slowest.

In CSS, Pistols, Smgs and Knife have the same speed and everything else is slower.

[Krovvy]

The Knife and Pistols in Counter-Strike are the same speed.

[_ACID_]

I don't think so. The pro clans have their knifes out to run, too.
Anyways, even if pistol and knife had the same speed in CS they shouldn't in GO.

[CounterPillow]

In CSS, Pistols, Smgs and Knife have the same speed and everything else is slower.

Wrong. Knife is the fastest, Pistols are slightly slower, SMGs are even slower and so on. Even the different Weapons differ @ moving speed. IDF Defender is heavier than AK47, so you move slower.

Please check your stuff before raging about CS:S here, it's not as bad as everyone says.

[Sirr0]

As much as I love stabbing everyone around me with the knife I do hope they make the pistol and knife the same speed this time around.

Running around with your knife out was just silly and would look pretty stupid in an updated game(well always looked stupid but more so now)

And HELL NO to sprint, we don't need CS sped up.

People still play it because it's not about running around 100mph with your golden FAMAS and facerolling.

I am up for changes in CS but not to speed.

[CounterPillow]

I agree with Sirr0 on the speed thing, CS:GO should be a tactical shooter, not some kind of kiddy magnet.
Thanks.

[Coleman `]

Wrong. Knife is the fastest, Pistols are slightly slower, SMGs are even slower and so on. Even the different Weapons differ @ moving speed. IDF Defender is heavier than AK47, so you move slower.

Please check your stuff before raging about CS:S here, it's not as bad as everyone says. Hahahahahah. "Please check your stuff", he says. Please do me a favor and follow every step I have listed. Then please post with an apology to the guy you were responding to.

Ya know what I find hysterical?

How few people realize that running with the knife is no faster than running with a grenade, running with a pistol, or even running with some SMGs.

Don't believe me?

Load up CS:Source, create your own server with the map as dust2.

sv_cheats 1
cl_showpos 1

Buy MP5, Deagle, full grenades.

On the cl_showpos info in the upper right hand corner, "Vel" stands for "Velocity", and it's measured in hammer units per second (I believe.)

Run down long A with a knife out. 250.00
Run down long A with a grenade out. 250.00
Run down long A with a Deagle out. 250.00
Run down long A with an MP5 out. 250.00

Assault rifles and the AWP will make you run slower. The Scout will make you run faster. Other SMGs will be at 250.00.

The command doesn't work in 1.6, but I assure you it's the same. And it's amazing to me how after all this time, 90% of people still don't realize that it's not "faster" to run with knife out, it's just faster than running with an assault rifle.

The More You Know...

[CounterPillow]

Oh, thanks. I didn't notice that. I guess it's a psychological thing. Weird.

[_ACID_]

Wrong. Knife is the fastest, Pistols are slightly slower, SMGs are even slower and so on. Even the different Weapons differ @ moving speed. IDF Defender is heavier than AK47, so you move slower.

Please check your stuff before raging about CS:S here, it's not as bad as everyone says.

Hi, I just totally didn't notice the two posts after yours there and did some research on movement speeds. According to the few forum entries I could find, CS:S' movement speeds are the same as 1.6s, so my first post was factually void. Though I'd still like knifes having you run faster because of the reasons I mentioned.


There's a table for 1.6 movement speed http://xtreme-jumps.eu/img/weaponspeeds.jpg

Originally Posted by skiii024
you look wayyyy more badass and fearless if your running with a knife out

[Coleman `]

Hi, I just totally didn't notice the two posts after yours there and did some research on movement speeds. According to the few forum entries I could find, CS:S' movement speeds are the same as 1.6s, so my first post was factually void. Though I'd still like knifes having you run faster because of the reasons I mentioned.


There's a table for 1.6 movement speed http://xtreme-jumps.eu/img/weaponspeeds.jpg
CS 1.6 speed is the same as Source for running with weapons. The only things that were changed for movement speed were walk speed, crouch walk speed and jump speed. But movement speed with weaponry is identical.

And no, they shouldn't have knife be faster than the others. Why on earth would you run with a knife out when you can run with a pistol out, run just as fast, AND be ready in case someone surprises you. And for the record; a lot of pros aren't aware that speed is just as high with pistols and grenades because they come from an older version of CS where that was the common belief.

Not to mention, they're good enough to know when to switch to a primary weapon if someones going to be there anyway.

[_ACID_]

And no, they shouldn't have knife be faster than the others. Why on earth would you run with a knife out when you can run with a pistol out, run just as fast, AND be ready in case someone surprises you.

Read the first post, I wrote down all the explanations.


And for the record; a lot of pros aren't aware that speed is just as high with pistols and grenades because they come from an older version of CS where that was the common belief.
Yeah.

Not to mention, they're good enough to know when to switch to a primary weapon if someones going to be there anyway.

That's the whole idea. Pros know, others don't. You have to be good to know.

[Coleman `]

Read the first post, I wrote down all the explanations.



Yeah.



That's the whole idea. Pros know, others don't. You have to be good to know.
I did read your first post, and the explanations are pointless. There is no reason to make knife faster just so you can run with it out to think you're a professional gamer. The way speed is done is fine, it's not about running faster, it's about balancing heavier weapons with faster weapons and nothing more.

It's that simple.

[blizzo]

it's not about running faster, it's about balancing heavier weapons with faster weapons and nothing more.

Which shouldn't the knife be the faster and lighter than pistols/smg's anyway? I guarantee you a .45 with a loaded mag is heavier than a knife. I'm not saying the knife should be uber fast, just scout speed give or take a few "velocity". Cause the whole point to having the knife out faster is that if you know that map, you know where you can get to safely and fast with knife out before you quick switch to your main. While the people who don't know the map would run slightly slower with a pistol or main out, and arrive at the same choke point slightly after you. Giving you a few precious seconds to maybe find good cover and prepare for them. It's all part of the learning curve of cs, which was never a casual fps. So it shouldn't be treated like one now.

[_ACID_]

I did read your first post, and the explanations are pointless. There is no reason to make knife faster just so you can run with it out to think you're a professional gamer. The way speed is done is fine, it's not about running faster, it's about balancing heavier weapons with faster weapons and nothing more.

It's that simple.


Points are never pointless. The points of my explanations were fun and randomness, and they are also the reasons for the idea you say you don't see in the next sentence.

Your second last sentence makes the impression you don't want CS to be changed at all even though you can't provide arguments for your point of view other than that the opposing arguments "are pointless". I don't really know how to address your post other than this since you apparently prefer looking badass over discussing stuff.


Which shouldn't the knife be the faster and lighter than pistols/smg's anyway?

I guarantee you a .45 with a loaded mag is heavier than a knife. I'm not saying the knife should be uber fast, just scout speed give or take a few "velocity". Cause the whole point to having the knife out faster is that if you know that map, you know where you can get to safely and fast with knife out before you quick switch to your main.

While the people who don't know the map would run slightly slower with a pistol or main out, and arrive at the same choke point slightly after you. Giving you a few precious seconds to maybe find good cover and prepare for them.


It's all part of the learning curve of cs, which was never a casual fps. So it shouldn't be treated like one now.


See, that's the idea. Introduce a learning curve that brings risk with it.

[Krovvy]

I don't think so. The pro clans have their knifes out to run, too.
Anyways, even if pistol and knife had the same speed in CS they shouldn't in GO.The smart professional players will have their pistol out most of the time, but a lot of people switch to knife out of habit. The pistol is the same speed, if you don't believe me test it yourself or check the files.

[Kim1337]

In 1.6 and source

scout fastest

knife pistols same

everything below slower..

i think the para and awp were the slowest.

[_ACID_]

The smart professional players will have their pistol out most of the time, but a lot of people switch to knife out of habit. The pistol is the same speed, if you don't believe me test it yourself or check the files.In 1.6 and source

scout fastest

knife pistols same

everything below slower..

i think the para and awp were the slowest.

We have already established that.


The idea is to make running with a knife several u/s faster than with pistols to introduce optional ambiguity and tension.

[Xiao Xiong]

Knife should be faster than pistol.
Pistol should be faster than SMG.
SMG should be faster than rifle. (People might actually use them!)
Scout should be SMG speed.
AWP should be slower than rifle.

[Perfectionist]

Valve should care if people are new.

New people can bring fresh ideas not recycled.

Knife should be faster than pistol.
Pistol should be faster than SMG.
SMG should be faster than rifle. (People might actually use them!)
Scout should be SMG speed.
AWP should be slower than rifle.

Looks like some people wouldnt mind extra speeds (actually think that was your thread), i just think minimal to begin with, see reactions.

[Anotherwrld]

They should just have the old game with new maps and graphics and guns =/

...with Bunny Hopping as an option default disabled :p

[prozac05]

just add sprint key and dont add headbob is what i would like

You should go play CoD with your sprint key bull♥♥♥♥!