Level 6 Players

[thehosster]

I swear some of the people who are level 6 have never played the game before. They are incredibly horrible. Do people hack steam accounts and play KF? What is the deal? I can't tell the amount of times I've played with level 6's as a level 3 or 4 and destroyed them in kill count and general skill and knowledge of the game. What is going on?

[Adder1]

On the topic of kill count, that point doesn't matter in a game like this. It's one thing to kill a Crawler with a bodyshot using a Lever-Action Rifle. It's a whole new ball game killing a Fleshpound with the Crossbow. No kills are made equal, and thus total kill count is insignificant so long as each perked player performs their role.

As for general skill/knowledge, that on the other hand would make sense in this case. What kind are we talking here?

[thehosster]

I'm talking level 6's like standing in a corner like they have never even played the game before. playing on normal and hard servers and just getting owned. showing nothing of earning the coveted level 6. like i said im almost level 4 with all my perks and i dominate. they do silly things like weld doors that don't need welded, go out and try to solo a huge mob of zeds and die. i don't get it. someone has to have seen this besides me.

[Jarmen Kell]

Yeah, people tend to hack. I did it, but I reset my stats because I found the game boring when I didn't earn stuff myself. That's also one of the reasons I usually outclass a level 6. I still have my skill. But some people just obviously hacked to get their level 6. They play on normal, as level 6 medic/support specialist and STILL get their ♥♥♥ handed to them on wave 4.

[psyko12]

They exist on some servers I play on. We got our perks manual labor 4-8 hours a day.. (they got it easy by hacking :/)They don't know how to act when the time their roles are needed... Ex: Scrake being soloed by a zerker, then here comes a player with golden perks making the Scrake rage, and getting the zerker dead, and him too killed due to panicking... IDK I just bear with it and play to survive, help/heal those who know what they're doing.

[thehosster]

Thanks Jarmen, I ♥♥♥♥ing knew it. I knew something wasn't right.

wow im really, really disappointed.

[Utsuho]

exploits...fricking abusement park underground berserker glitchers...

NO SKILL

[the1stwasted]

Yep, seems to be happening a lot more in the last 3 or 4 months.

I see L6 zerkers trying to Kill a HoE scrake with a Katana, attack a FP none stop instead of hitting it every 3 seconds or more, charging into a mob of assorted zeds like they are bleedin Action Man. Level 6 SSs shooting a FP while a zerker has it safeley away kiting it. L6 Commandos taking on HoE FPs, etc.

Being a Level 6 used to mean somethig, sadley, not anymore.

@ Utsuho.
There are tools that allow you to hack your level, they are free, easy to find, and simple enough that a Monkey could do it.

[Alup.Igus]

There are tools that allow you to hack your level, they are free, easy to find, and simple enough that a Monkey could do it.

If you mean Memory Hac*chchch software... is not that simple to use. KF is full of monkeys with low level so is not that simple to use that software.

But Monkeys are using glitches (not only on abusement :cool: ), stupid maps that are still whitelisted and other workarounds...

[xX_Renegade_Xx]

I think some players are more intent on leveling the perk rather than just playing normally and learning the strengths and weaknesses of that perk, that comes with leveling as does map knowledge.

It's OK being level 6 but if you don't know the map and don't know the perks strengths and weaknesses then it's all for nothing.

I've seen some good level 6 players and some very bad who can't even make it past wave 1 on hard.

Tonight alone I've had a level 6 commando shooting a scrake while I've got it held with the Katana, a level 6 firebug setting fire to fp's while another zerker is kiting it, they might be level 6 but they have a lot to learn about tactical play and when to control that trigger finger.

[thehosster]

just so everyone knows all those poor level 6 players are modders. this is news to me after having owned the game for several months. kind of disappointing that whoever is in control of fairness for killing floor and steam doesn't really care that people are getting away with this. looks like the game was worth the dirt cheap cost i spent on it from the summer sale.

[DarkSyde]

Can't tell you how many times I've seen a Rank 6 start unloading on a Scrake with the 9MM while a Zerker is attacking it...

[Bigguns 93]

just so everyone knows all those poor level 6 players are modders. this is news to me after having owned the game for several months. kind of disappointing that whoever is in control of fairness for killing floor and steam doesn't really care that people are getting away with this. looks like the game was worth the dirt cheap cost i spent on it from the summer sale.

Fairness? lol! So if they were all level 1 playing as idiots that would somehow make the game better for you? Would they still die? yes. Would they still play poorly? yes. Would they drop a high level weapon when they die? NO!

So really, if a person did hack to lvl 6 and died quickly its more to your benefit than if they died as a lvl 1.

Stop the whining. First off you have no proof that these people hacked. They might have ground out their perk to level 6 playing beginner solo. I have NEVER seen a person hack in Killing Floor in the 800 hours I have played.

So before you QQ too much, the game is fine. Might just be a guy who is level 6 fooling around, letting his girl friend play, just coming off beginner. Sorry the whole world doesn't play to your standard.

[Vulkans]

Another very easy way to find out who hacked and who got them legit is to see their total time played, I saw one guy with all level six perks that only had around 50 hours of play time.

Edit: Yes, he was absolutely terrible.

[RedS]

If you mean Memory Hac*chchch software... is not that simple to use. KF is full of monkeys with low level so is not that simple to use that software.

But Monkeys are using glitches (not only on abusement :cool: ), stupid maps that are still whitelisted and other workarounds...

There is one program that is very simple. All one has to do is start it, type in the values, hit apply, start the game, and boom, all level6, it even gives the achivments.

[RedS]

just so everyone knows all those poor level 6 players are modders. this is news to me after having owned the game for several months. kind of disappointing that whoever is in control of fairness for killing floor and steam doesn't really care that people are getting away with this. looks like the game was worth the dirt cheap cost i spent on it from the summer sale.

Every game has modders/cheaters/hackers, it's just the way things are, and thats not about to change. For every counter measure action a developer creates, the modders soon after release their counter measure to the counter measure.

[whirlmaster]

Level 6 Firebug - Me and a couple of Level 3s who knew what they were doing were busy keeping stuff under control while he was spazzing around like some invalid and finishing his Flamer within 2 minutes of the wave so he just ... well I had no idea what he was doing. Then he started pulling out a 9mm and shooting it at the Scrake.

Level 6 Sharpshooter - He was acting stupid too and he died around the 3rd Wave. He was using a Shotgun and we were asking him,"So ... why not use the Lever Action or Crossbow or something?" His answer? "shotgun hshots are pro okay?"

[the1stwasted]

If you mean Memory Hac*chchch software... is not that simple to use. KF is full of monkeys with low level so is not that simple to use that software.

But Monkeys are using glitches (not only on abusement :cool: ), stupid maps that are still whitelisted and other workarounds...

The progs you are refering to are very old school. The new ones are very easy. Even if they were not, a quick search for vids will list hundreds of step by step tutorials on how to use them.

Just because there are a bunch of low levels does not mean that there are not also a lot of players that used h_acks.

[horzineplumpud]

I swear some of the people who are level 6 have never played the game before. They are incredibly horrible. Do people hack steam accounts and play KF? What is the deal? I can't tell the amount of times I've played with level 6's as a level 3 or 4 and destroyed them in kill count and general skill and knowledge of the game. What is going on?Hey, that might be me. I've done about everything wrong lately :eek:

[Softspokenman]

I'm a level 6 in almost every thing (level 5 medic) and honestly I'm now what i would call horrible at this game, but it's not due to hacking or cheating to get to level 6 - its that i dont really play any more (didnt like the changes made in some of the updates, so I stopped playing and now I am rusty as hell.)

[the1stwasted]

I just played two games with these L5 and 6 idiots.

1st was Biotics, 1 zerker, 2 commando, 1 SS, 2 Support, all L 6. All but myself and one guy stayed close to the spawn, the other 4 ran all the way to the end of the hall, every wave, and normaly got killed. We ended up wiping on wave 5.

The next was West London. We all went Zerker, except for 1 that went medic.
Well, 2 went one way, a few the other, and the medic was off by himself spending his time killing zeds, not healing. For the 1st few waves, it was not much of a problem, but once we got to 5 it all went to crap.

The medic changed to zerker, L 5, all others were L6. They still employed the same tactics, and all but myself and one other guy died every single round, and every time they died, they blamed someone else for it.

One of them was such an idiot, that even though one zerker was kiting a FP with no problems, he would run up and steal it, most of the time resulting in his death.

When I said something to him, he and one other started calling me a noob, one other even called me the "N" word, and one of the ones calling me a noob, then tells me that he is, and I quote, "The best KFer in the world".

Their screen name were:

->GOW<- Shifty. This was the Medic, and the best KFer in the world.

S@lly*. This was the FP stealer.

:3. This was the "N" word guy.

Is it me, or have the servers been flooded with immature children that have no respect for anyone, or anything?

[Furrypocalypse]

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198040604780/

KILER.

Literally held his d*** the entire game he joined on HoE Biohazard, running about with his med-syringe as his main weapon. Jumping in everyone's faces was his strategy is seems. Occasionally, should there be no damage taken, he would camp on a couch.

Best medic of the year BY FAR.

:/

Also rages HoE FP with lvl2 or 3 zerker using the katana on infinite primary fire mode then runs into a pack of players. So pr0 I can't keep track of his achievements.

[potemkinhr]

Last few days were quite enjoyable playing with friends, helping them leveling their characters (i'm currently leveling medic to level 6, friends leveling Sharpshooter and support). Today I took my level 6 berserker in Manor (Hard difficulty) to watch their backs, take the pressure off their backs in the tunnels, feed them money, and the ocasional heal.
2 players joined (totaling 5 of us), averaging level 3-4, I escorted them to safety and dropped my LAR to the newly joined sharpshooter, and later a M79 to the demoman.

All was going good until a Level 6 Support joined (Steam profile Potato Salad (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198003844011/)).
Rather than help the new players, he roamed around the map and shot every Zed in view, every single time raging Scrakes and FP's behind my back, raging them into me for which I lost almost all my armor every round. :mad:
I warned him of his mistakes and explained him several times, but I could be talking to a rock. At least a scrake killed him once.
Of course, he begged for money every single time (as a level 6), but never gave anyone any money, while I gave everyting away (I need only katana ana LAR anyway, I rather help other players when I can in any way).
When he wasn't around me, he "helped" the other players in the cave by bodyblocking their retreat, when a raging FP charged into them and would kill someone if I didn't bodyblock him (Again lost my armor because of the jerk for nothing). But hey, he got the kill. :rolleyes:

At the end, in the Patriarch wave, he ran somewhere off from the group and of course he was killed first by him.

If you see this player, you know what's in store if you continue playing with him.

[horzineplumpud]

Seriously, will you really keep posting steamID's with nothing but unfavorable and unverifiable allegations on a public forum ? I find this is really off-limit.

[potemkinhr]

Seriously, will you really keep posting steamID's with nothing but unfavorable and unverifiable allegations on a public forum ? I find this is really off-limit.
No worries, we record our games with FRAPS, I'll post the video as proof if the friends still have it, I told them to upload it.

[the1stwasted]

Seriously, will you really keep posting steamID's with nothing but unfavorable and unverifiable allegations on a public forum ? I find this is really off-limit.

I think calling these people out, posting their names or IDs is a good thing. It alertes other people of the greifers/jerks, iving them a chance to avoid them online.

Think of it along the lines of ROC, http://www.rulesofcombat.com/. Sort of a public anti-griefer/jerk/idiot system.

[horzineplumpud]

I think calling these people out, posting their names or IDs is a good thing. It alertes other people of the greifers/jerks, iving them a chance to avoid them online.

Think of it along the lines of ROC, http://www.rulesofcombat.com/. Sort of a public anti-griefer/jerk/idiot system.The problem with this kind of practice is that some people feel deeply wronged when other people refuse to put up with their stupidity, and then feel entitled to make a bad name of those people. So even if most complaints are perfectly valid (I do believe yours are), there are often no evident way to tell which ones are clearly not.

Here is an example : We had some guy on tripwire forums starting a thread to call out admins with derogatory terms on a specific server and commanding us to never play there. In his story, the guy stated he was kicked because he had no weapon when he went in and asked for money. Then he reconnected and he got banned this time. The thing is : 1) Somebody else knew this server, so we finally learnt from him it was on HoE 2) The guy spawned with no weapon (hint low lvl), so he was the one at fault.

[License]

The problem with this kind of practice is that some people feel deeply wronged when other people refuse to put up with their stupidity, and then feel entitled to make a bad name of those people. So even if most complaints are perfectly valid (I do believe yours are), there are often no evident way to tell which ones are clearly not.

Here is an example : We had some guy on tripwire forums starting a thread to call out admins with derogatory terms on a specific server and commanding us to never play there. In his story, the guy stated he was kicked because he had no weapon when he went in and asked for money. Then he reconnected and he got banned this time. The thing is : 1) Somebody else knew this server, so we finally learnt from him it was on HoE 2) The guy spawned with no weapon (hint low lvl), so he was the one at fault.

He could have been level 4, hint not low level.

[tunguska47]

high lvls could make a thread about low lvls ♥♥♥♥ing it up there fun which is worst then a low lvl crying about high lvls

like lvl 1 or 2 on hard or higher

[the1stwasted]

The problem with this kind of practice is that some people feel deeply wronged when other people refuse to put up with their stupidity, and then feel entitled to make a bad name of those people. So even if most complaints are perfectly valid (I do believe yours are), there are often no evident way to tell which ones are clearly not.

Here is an example : We had some guy on tripwire forums starting a thread to call out admins with derogatory terms on a specific server and commanding us to never play there. In his story, the guy stated he was kicked because he had no weapon when he went in and asked for money. Then he reconnected and he got banned this time. The thing is : 1) Somebody else knew this server, so we finally learnt from him it was on HoE 2) The guy spawned with no weapon (hint low lvl), so he was the one at fault.

Good point. guess I did not think of it that way.
+1

[the1stwasted]

He could have been level 4, hint not low level.

Level 4 is considered a low level when it comes to HoE.

[License]

Level 4 is considered a low level when it comes to HoE.

All depends on the players pov.

[ceu160193]

Simplest hacking program for KF is Cheat Engine.
I hacked myself Commando (really disappointed,why so huge amount of Stalkers must be killed).
Anyway,now I am playing on custom HoE server with 21 levels,ammo and health regeneration,and custom zed,named Brute.

[armen12]

Im sure some might be hackers, it is also possible that the Level 6 character that sucks might be played with a noob.

... as in my friend comes over and wants to check out the game, so I let him play and when he stinks, everyone assumes my account is hacked....

[turtlesoup]

you don't need steam exploits to hack your way to top ranks. plenty of leveling servers run doom and other easy to farm whitelisted maps, where noobs can go to spam like robots and get any class to level 6 in no time, achieving the exact same effect. ranks mean nothing and you shouldn't use them as a definitive way to judge player skill.

I think calling these people out, posting their names or IDs is a good thing. It alertes other people of the greifers/jerks, iving them a chance to avoid them online.

Think of it along the lines of ROC, http://www.rulesofcombat.com/. Sort of a public anti-griefer/jerk/idiot system.

it's pointless. steam nicks aren't even unique, in fact it does more harm than good, as most of those "cheater/griefer repositories". you could copy anyone's name and trololol your way to a bunch of bans, or just happen to have a similar looking name, then what happens to the innocent when they get fingered by the community? even when you're dealing with unique guid, the potential for abuse is just too great.

only real solution is active mods watching their own servers, banning with REAL steamids. each ban is situational, and no good can come of sharing blacklists unless each and every party is fully trusted.

[lordfa9]

you guys forgot something else:

I took a 2 week break from KF and when I came back I stunk. I was nervous, jumpy and didn't have any confidence whatsoever

what does that make me?

[Durr-P]

you guys forgot something else:

I took a 2 week break from KF and when I came back I stunk. I was nervous, jumpy and didn't have any confidence whatsoever

what does that make me?

Human.

[sally13666]

you n00b children. I have this game many years, i have all achievements and all parks on max level. i know play this f*cking game...you can see my profile....... http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014922117

[Durr-P]

you n00b children. I have this game many years, i have all achievements and all parks on max level. i know play this f*cking game...you can see my profile....... http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014922117

You made an account just for that?

[RedS]

you n00b children. I have this game many years, i have all achievements and all parks on max level. i know play this f*cking game...you can see my profile....... http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014922117

Given the child like nature of this post, I would have to say that the post about his in game behavour is probably very accurate.

First sentance is an insult, followed by claims that even though true, mean nothing about a players skill, then followed by profanity. Very, very, childlike, immature, and rude.

Many others have posted about achivements, and I agree that they do not mean anything, and being maxed out on perks is also meaningless. Achivements can be attained in solo, which is simple, and map achivments do not even require a person to play the game, instead all they have to do is spectate wave 11. As far as levels go, all it requires is time, nothing more.

[Paddles]

I have all Level 6 Perks.

I have not hacked them. Proof: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Paddles01/screenshot/596934757501842996?tab=public&filter=app_1250

Anyway the nature of this post, just because we are Level 6 in Perks doesn't mean we play constantly or on hard difficulties.

It just means we've taken the time to build our perks, (Or as some claim hacked them).

Perhaps these players who you played with were like me and only play Normal/Hard diffuculty as part time players that like to have fun, then decided to challenge themselves.

Don't just assume that because we are high level players that we have to be good at Harder Difficulties.

[sally13666]

By doing this my contribution, I responded to the user of embarrassing remarks "the1stwasded"

[the1stwasted]

Given the child like nature of this post, I would have to say that the post about his in game behavour is probably very accurate.

First sentance is an insult, followed by claims that even though true, mean nothing about a players skill, then followed by profanity. Very, very, childlike, immature, and rude.

Many others have posted about achivements, and I agree that they do not mean anything, and being maxed out on perks is also meaningless. Achivements can be attained in solo, which is simple, and map achivments do not even require a person to play the game, instead all they have to do is spectate wave 11. As far as levels go, all it requires is time, nothing more.

Well put. +1 for you.

@ Paddles.
We, or at least I am not saying that all bad high level players hacked their perks. It is just one of several possabilities to explain a high perk players lack of game mechanincs understanding. Your explination makes sense as well, and is probably true in many cases.

The point of the thread is more to do with high level perk players that are not ready for HoE: employ bad tactics, do not work as a team, rude behavour, and generally ruin the game for other people.

If it is as you say, then said players need to find out the diffs between the difficulties before joining a game, as certain tactics that work on lower diffs, do NOT work on the higher ones, such as Scrakes and FPs.

A HoE Scrake cannot be stunned with a Katana on HoE, unless hit from the back, and a HoE FP will eat you if as a Zerker you try to kill it with the Xbow, or blitz attack it with a Melee weapon. Also keep in mind that on higher difficulties the zeds are more numerous, faster, have a much higher HP count, and do more damage to players.

Being a level 6, or even a 5 used to mean something. Now it's anyones guess whether or not that level 6 that just joined will be any better than the level 2 that has died within 10 seconds every round.

At least in most cases the lower level will listen to the advice of the higher levels, intead of thinking they know it all, continue with their bad play style, and in the end cause the team to wipe.

[shamoke]

also to note OP, kill count doesn't mean much because they might've joined late or a different perk that focuses on different types of zeds

Something like a long-lasting firebug will amass huge amounts of kills because they kill a bunch of low hp zeds

[thehosster]

I'd like to make an addendum: if people do mod their game by using memory hacks, can they not hack things such as time played and steam achievements?

Also i dont really care what anyone has to say in defense of a level 6 player: Level 6's need to play on hard and up, and stay out of normal and beginner games, in my opinion anything higher than level 4 shouldn't even be able to play beginner or normal. level 3's and lower should not be able to play any games more difficult than hard. This whole situation can be fixed easily by the Dev's. I wish they would.

It'd be no different than playing ranked matches in any other FPS: playing with people who are equal to your skill level.

[License]

I'd like to make an addendum: if people do mod their game by using memory hacks, can they not hack things such as time played and steam achievements?

Also i dont really care what anyone has to say in defense of a level 6 player: Level 6's need to play on hard and up, and stay out of normal and beginner games, in my opinion anything higher than level 4 shouldn't even be able to play beginner or normal. level 3's and lower should not be able to play any games more difficult than hard. This whole situation can be fixed easily by the Dev's. I wish they would.

It'd be no different than playing ranked matches in any other FPS: playing with people who are equal to your skill level.

Disagree.

This is an FPS as well and skill level =/= perk level. Sure, get out of normal/beginner as a level 6, but level 2-3's easily beating suicidal isn't unheard of, at least not for me.

Skill level trumps perk level in this game as well.

[Durr-P]

Disagree.

This is an FPS as well and skill level =/= perk level. Sure, get out of normal/beginner as a level 6, but level 2-3's easily beating suicidal isn't unheard of, at least not for me.

Skill level trumps perk level in this game as well.

While I agree with you for the most part, lvl 6's can play wherever they please.

Sure, playing on beginner as a lvl 6 is probably pointless, but some lvl 6's like to help their low level friends to level up. If my low level friends don't want to grind quickly in suicidal, I'll help them in normal/hard by supplying them with weapons and only inteferring if the team/friends are about to be overrun.

That way, my friend's level up more quickly, and I'm not hopping around everywhere stealing everyone's points/fun.

[License]

Yeah I'm talking if theres no other reason for you to be in a normal game as a level 6 you shouldn't really.

[Woulfe]

The only time I play Killing Floor anymore is when I'm drunk. I have all level 6 classes and despite me being hammered I can still pull my own weight. It feels good to be rocking everything as a level 6 support specialist, occasionally saving a teammate's ♥♥♥.