View Full Version : Stronghold 3 too high priced
elsenator
10-22-2011, 02:57 AM
Am I the nly one who finds the price of Stronghold 3 on Steam to be too high?
I really want this game, but to me it seems more like a downloadable game, and not a game in the same price range such as Skyrim.
I simply think they have priced it too high. With a lower price they would sell a lot more and get the game out to more people. I'm not talking about the game being set at half price or something like that, but here in Europe it's at 49.99 euros.
It seems that they forgot that this series is not a huge series. It has potential to be big, but at 49.99 euros, it just seems silly expensive.
emplexity
10-22-2011, 05:20 AM
50 euros seems pretty steep. $50.00 isnt too bad here so I bought it. Considering the new Call of Duty game is $100 (pathetic) I deemed this a worthy purchase.
Well, Skyrim could even cost 59,99€, because the hype reaches nearly CoD Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3. As much as I can say. Even though these games, especially CoD, are a bit rude when it comes to the price. I can understand that they say, we are one of the most popular games on the market, so we want to have a bit more for our game. But CoD Modern Warfare 2 is still up to 39,99€ and Black Ops is even at 59,99€. Thats even insolent in my opinion. Well, they are up to that price on steam. At amazon both are at round about 30€. Steam seems to be often a bit more expensive.
But I agree that 39,99€ would be a better price for Stronghold 3. Or at least 44,99€. And I agree with you, that the potencial of the game is bigger than what it realises.
turtlesoup
10-23-2011, 12:40 AM
no doubt here whatsoever that it's a correct price, if it releases with the same amount of content as their previous versions, this includes mp/co-op and they've never been short on campaign length. what part of this makes it "seem like a downloadable game"?
in fact this makes so little sense I would assume that it's just a new troll account spamming random steam forums for post count, the pointless mention of skyrim was really a nice touch that guarantees the op is either trolling or mentally deficient.
no doubt here whatsoever that it's a correct price, if it releases with the same amount of content as their previous versions, this includes mp/co-op and they've never been short on campaign length. what part of this makes it "seem like a downloadable game"?
in fact this makes so little sense I would assume that it's just a new troll account spamming random steam forums for post count, the pointless mention of skyrim was really a nice touch that guarantees the op is either trolling or mentally deficient.
stop commenting like his opinion is fact.
Its his opinion and he's entitled to it just like you are.
And I agree with him.
id buy the game for $30. No more.
Kradath
10-23-2011, 01:48 AM
stop commenting like his opinion is fact.
Its his opinion and he's entitled to it just like you are.
And I agree with him.
id buy the game for $30. No more.
Just as the devs are entitled to setting prices THEY think are right. You know steam, sooner or later it will be available for your desired price.
But as a dev it is more intelligent to go for the highest price first to see how many are actually willing to pay that much, if the sales are not as good as expected you can always lower the price.
turtlesoup
10-23-2011, 02:54 AM
stop commenting like his opinion is fact.
Its his opinion and he's entitled to it just like you are.
And I agree with him.
id buy the game for $30. No more.
and what if my opinion disagrees with your opinion? either way this has nothing to do with opinion, it is a fact that this is a complete game, when he claims it is not.
Just as the devs are entitled to setting prices THEY think are right. You know steam, sooner or later it will be available for your desired price.
But as a dev it is more intelligent to go for the highest price first to see how many are actually willing to pay that much, if the sales are not as good as expected you can always lower the price.
right this is how a free market works. but children do not have money, nor the self control to avoid the games they want. so they believe they can lower the market price by criticising the games they don't like, while paying full price for the ones they do.
and what if my opinion disagrees with your opinion? either way this has nothing to do with opinion, it is a fact that this is a complete game, when he claims it is not.
Exactly. Our opinion is the game is not worth the asking price.
We're each entitled to our own.
right this is how a free market works. but children do not have money, nor the self control to avoid the games they want. so they believe they can lower the market price by criticising the games they don't like, while paying full price for the ones they do.
Children? I probably have been playing games longer than you and I assure you I have money to spend on games (I have over 250 games on my list), im just sick of paying full price for games that simply don't deliver.
But as the guy above you said, the developers can charge whatever they want for the game, which is fair enough.
However we are simply giving our feedback regarding the price.
Feedback is the best thing for a developer as it lets them understand what the customer thinks/wants.
Kradath
10-23-2011, 05:55 AM
However we are simply giving our feedback regarding the price.
Feedback is the best thing for a developer as it lets them understand what the customer thinks/wants.
Sale figures are the feedback concerning prices.
and what if my opinion disagrees with your opinion? either way this has nothing to do with opinion, it is a fact that this is a complete game, when he claims it is not.
right this is how a free market works. but children do not have money, nor the self control to avoid the games they want. so they believe they can lower the market price by criticising the games they don't like, while paying full price for the ones they do.
There are complete games that sell for less so your argument doesn't work...
@turtlesoup: If you just have a look at the topic Bugs, you would realise, that this game isn't worth 49,99€. It seems more like a betaversion of the game than a fully completed game. So it is definitly not a 49,99€ game. And I compared it with games like Anno 1503, which I bought back then for 39,99€. And that was a complete game. As Sito already explained, these exist for lower prices. And Anno 1503 was, compared to Stronghold 3 totally without bugs.
And the other thing is. It isn't very nice and helpful for a discussion when you join it and start attacking people personally. Calling them trolls etc. That is just showing, that you are the child in this round. So, the person who is most close to a hater is you. Consequently, please, calm down, and say what you want without attacking others or flame.
Fred DM
10-23-2011, 07:15 AM
what i find a bit odd is the fact that the retail edition in stores now is more expensive than the regular price for new games.
the game costs 65.- in local currency whereas most other games now cost only 55-59.- due to a weak Dollar and Euro. that puts Stronghold 3 on the same price level as Modern Warfare 3... :eek:
what i find a bit odd is the fact that the retail edition in stores now is more expensive than the regular price for new games.
the game costs 65.- in local currency whereas most other games now cost only 55-59.- due to a weak Dollar and Euro. that puts Stronghold 3 on the same price level as Modern Warfare 3... :eek:
Thats insane!
Nagaviper
10-23-2011, 07:32 AM
i chose skyrim over this game cuz i dont have enough money for both
i chose skyrim over this game cuz i dont have enough money for both
I think, that wasn't the wrong choice.
turtlesoup
10-23-2011, 11:17 AM
@turtlesoup: If you just have a look at the topic Bugs, you would realise, that this game isn't worth 49,99€. It seems more like a betaversion of the game than a fully completed game. So it is definitly not a 49,99€ game. And I compared it with games like Anno 1503, which I bought back then for 39,99€. And that was a complete game. As Sito already explained, these exist for lower prices. And Anno 1503 was, compared to Stronghold 3 totally without bugs.
And the other thing is. It isn't very nice and helpful for a discussion when you join it and start attacking people personally. Calling them trolls etc. That is just showing, that you are the child in this round. So, the person who is most close to a hater is you. Consequently, please, calm down, and say what you want without attacking others or flame.
not an argument, and no one here needs to get emotional. just simple fact in reply to outlandish claims and nonsensical comparisons, and clowning skyrim trolls. doesn't matter to me either way, whether or not you like the game or if you can afford it. even if they were to ask the highest rate possible, that's the going rate. other publishers choosing lower price points is irrelevant, this is what you call good competition, and you can perpetuate that by supporting their business, not random flaming.
so would it be incorrect to call this a full game? let's go over the basic features,
- sp campaign
- multiplayer
- co-op
- full map editor
and now that the game is out in eu, you can actually make an informed decision on whether or not you like it. good or bad that doesn't change the features that have been implemented here. an anno game without bugs? you must be joking, I'm sure there were at least a couple patches for 1503. and what does this game have, that anno 1503 does not?
you accuse people of getting emotional, because that's what you're doing. I'm here to find info on the game, just like you. so when I see stupid posts (yes that's personal) that say "I don't like sh3 and it should be cheaper", with zero reasoning on why or what is broken, it's pointless to me and does not belong on the forum.
i chose skyrim over this game cuz i dont have enough money for both
see now was that so hard? stating a perfectly valid opinion, without directly comparing two games that are in no way alike. this guy knows how to make an opinion, unlike your other fans of skyrim, and anno 1503. you got an A+ for effort.
There's no coop in this game
If we just had a gaming drought, I'd pay 50 Euro for the game, but there are so many interesting titles hitting the shelves right now that all compete for my attention and time. It's a shame, though, but I think I'll get this in a sale at some point. It's just too close to SoTS2 and Skyrim. (I feel almost guilty because I like the FireFly guys!)
Kradath
10-23-2011, 02:21 PM
This hole discussion is futile.
It depends on your taste. For some the sheer amount of content in games are important, for some it's the quality. So some need to get out 200 hours of playtime of it, some want 15 hours of story gameplay.
You simply can't generalize it.
Some here WILL play 200 hours of Stronghold 3 and you can't say that for such an amount of time 50€ are too much.
If you only have about 5 hours of fun with such a game of course 50€ is too much.
It is as always a matter of taste and preference.
not an argument, and no one here needs to get emotional. just simple fact in reply to outlandish claims and nonsensical comparisons, and clowning skyrim trolls. doesn't matter to me either way, whether or not you like the game or if you can afford it. even if they were to ask the highest rate possible, that's the going rate. other publishers choosing lower price points is irrelevant, this is what you call good competition, and you can perpetuate that by supporting their business, not random flaming.
so would it be incorrect to call this a full game? let's go over the basic features,
- sp campaign
- multiplayer
- co-op
- full map editor
and now that the game is out in eu, you can actually make an informed decision on whether or not you like it. good or bad that doesn't change the features that have been implemented here. an anno game without bugs? you must be joking, I'm sure there were at least a couple patches for 1503. and what does this game have, that anno 1503 does not?
you accuse people of getting emotional, because that's what you're doing. I'm here to find info on the game, just like you. so when I see stupid posts (yes that's personal) that say "I don't like sh3 and it should be cheaper", with zero reasoning on why or what is broken, it's pointless to me and does not belong on the forum.
see now was that so hard? stating a perfectly valid opinion, without directly comparing two games that are in no way alike. this guy knows how to make an opinion, unlike your other fans of skyrim, and anno 1503. you got an A+ for effort.
So you define what is a valid opinion and what isn't. Thats definitly an interesting opinion! So just to clarify things. An opinion is a statement without any form, it doesn't even need to be related to facts. Thats why we call this category of statements opinions. To make sure everyone knows, it isn't based on facts like scientific statements are. And to give you at least some kind of fact on that. Here the first sentence of the wikipedia article: "In general, an opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion) To have a reliable source, look it up in a bigger encyclopedia in book-form or find a more reliable one on the internet than wikipedia. Just if you don't except wikipedia, because you want an encyclopedia which is scientificly reliable.
Furthermore, you claim to stay with facts and tell others they should do it, too. Well, the second part is totally fine with me, but I want to have look on your objectivity. Why do I want to do that? Because I claim you aren't staying with the facts, but attacking people personally. So I should find some evidence for my claim to oppose your argument properly.
no doubt here whatsoever that it's a correct price, if it releases with the same amount of content as their previous versions, this includes mp/co-op and they've never been short on campaign length. what part of this makes it "seem like a downloadable game"?
in fact this makes so little sense I would assume that it's just a new troll account spamming random steam forums for post count, the pointless mention of skyrim was really a nice touch that guarantees the op is either trolling or mentally deficient.
First of all, your sentence includes this "if it releases with the same amount of content as their previous versions". So you can just speculate about the content and the features of the game. While at least I have already played the game. So if we want to discuss the quality of the game, the only things you could say are speculations or you must fully trust in my opinion of the game. Well, or you wait till you can buy the game and join the conversation as soon as you have some real facts from your own experience of the game.
Addionally you say it has a co-op mode. You could think that, because it says so on the steam shop page. But if you would have the game or just read some of the other discussions like "Coop? (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2191142)" in this forum, you would have read this:
Originally Posted by DocMcJansen in the topic Coop? (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2191142):
Hi there!
So far I'm enjoying the game. I just love the Stronghold series.
But where is the coop mode? Am I missing something?
On the steam store page of Stronghold 3 it clearly says:
- Single Player
- Multi Player
- COOP
- Steam Cloud
So...umm...am I just too blind to find the feature? cause I can't see the option to add AI in a multiplayer game.
any ideas?
thx
DocMcJansen
The reply from the official:
Originally Posted by Benzie (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/member.php?u=951100) in the topic Coop? (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2191142):
Unfortunately it is an error with the steam page. We don't have any co-op or support steam cloud.
I can't say how long the campain is, because the game isn't a really smooth experience so far. And thats because of the bugs and crashes I also reported under the topic Bugs (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2192187). But so far (in mission 7) it seems to take some time to finish the campain. And thats nice. But as you can see in the topic "Bugs", there are issues which reduce the game experience in a objective perspective. And if you could play the game now, you would see, that this game isn't finished. It was brought to the market without error handling in the details. Otherwise I wouldn't had to write my resolution of 1920x1200 manually into a game file. And Benzie told me to do so. Basically many of the bugs I reported are smaller ones. But the amount shows, that this game hasn't experienced a final check. At least it seems so!
And these facts weren't even included with this detail in my opinion from the beginning of the discussion. I just said, that my feelings say, that I would put this game more or less into the 39,99€ category together with good games (Stronghold is a good game, too) like Anno 1503. But I also mentioned that in my opinion Skyrim is (based on my feelings and experience, not on scientific or economic based facts) with a much bigger potential consuming community (of RPGs and MMORPGs) than Stronghold (lovers of castle building) inbetween Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 and Anno 1503. But more on the same level with Anno. Well, I could even say it is a fact that the consuming community for Stronghold is definitly smaller. But I haven't done research on that. So it stays an opinion, because I haven't got any evidence for that!
And I can say that I am also a fan of Stronghold. I haven't play Stronghold 2, but I played Stronghold 1 and Crusader a lot. And a lot with friends.
Now back to the second part of what you said.
in fact this makes so little sense I would assume that it's just a new troll account spamming random steam forums for post count, the pointless mention of skyrim was really a nice touch that guarantees the op is either trolling or mentally deficient.
What is your evidence on "this makes so little sense"? You don't give a single reason why you think so. But then you attack the other person personally without giving any facts - if the other person feels attacked or not is a different discussion. You just put him to the "troll account spamming random steam forums for post count" category. That hasn't got any objectivity and your seemingly objectivity is just unsubstantiated.
Thats why I oppose you and say to you now, please stay factual when criticising other opinions. If you just say your opinion without relating to others, you can write what you want, because thats what an opinion is about. Like I explained at the top - with facts. But if you relate to other people, please practice constructive criticism or criticism, but don't practice destructive criticism. That means criticise and say what the person could do better or only criticise. Hence, say what you disagree with, not what you just don't like. And don't say it is stupid or childish or whatever. Because that is called destructive criticism. And those things reduce the motivation of the person to join the conversation again and can even kill the whole conversation. I hope you haven't had this in mind. So please change your way of arguing turtlesoup.
vac banned
10-23-2011, 05:41 PM
just tell ur friend to gift u the game from russia. its only 19 euro lol
elsenator
10-24-2011, 12:32 PM
and what if my opinion disagrees with your opinion? either way this has nothing to do with opinion, it is a fact that this is a complete game, when he claims it is not.
I claim no such thing, so please don't claim that I claim it, thank you. ;) I compare it to a typical downloadable title which, in my opinion, is lighter in all aspects compared to the big AAA titles such as Arkham City and Skyrim. A downloadable game is still just as complete as any other game.
Stronghold 3 seems very "light" compared to these titles. It has this indie feeling abuot it. Yet they still offer the same price point as these huge games. This is bad for the game I think, since it will scare off potential buyers (me included, although I find the game interesting). My claim is that the game doesn't get the sales it deserves, because of a too steep price point. Things just don't measure op, which is sad. I mean, the game seems to have a lot of potential.
Aaargh_Ooops
10-24-2011, 02:33 PM
Am I the nly one who finds the price of Stronghold 3 on Steam to be too high?
[...] but at 49.99 euros, it just seems silly expensive.
As any game I suppose :rolleyes:
Fred DM
10-24-2011, 02:37 PM
just tell ur friend to gift u the game from russia. its only 19 euro lol
and get the game quietly removed from your Western account 2 days later? no. if you don't want to pay full price, just wait for the inevitable discount and Steam deal. ;)
vac banned
10-24-2011, 02:49 PM
and get the game quietly removed from your Western account 2 days later? no. if you don't want to pay full price, just wait for the inevitable discount and Steam deal. ;)
lol whats wrong having someone gifting u the game? or just trade it something in the same value. easy as that
elsenator
10-24-2011, 02:50 PM
As any game I suppose :rolleyes:
I don't find Skyrim and Arkham City to be too expensive. I find CoD to be too expensive though. But that's for a different discussion. :cool:
Fred DM
10-24-2011, 03:41 PM
lol whats wrong having someone gifting u the game? or just trade it something in the same value. easy as that
i'm not gonna go into that again. if you don't know that Russian editions can cause problems outside of Russia, then by all means go ahead.
vac banned
10-24-2011, 06:42 PM
i'm not gonna go into that again. if you don't know that Russian editions can cause problems outside of Russia, then by all means go ahead.
only retail version if you dont know. steam gift versions works fine
exp.
Dead Island steam russian gift = all language , region free
Dead Island russian retail, require VPN activation and language packs, MP is region free
just the same thing u ask your friend from US or UK to gift you uncesored version, all works fine.
meter1060
10-24-2011, 07:05 PM
I got it from http://www.greenmangaming.com/ (http://www.greenmangaming.com) for 33$ because of their two sales that you can add in coupons for. It has to be activated with steam so its a win win for all!
The military system is full of bugs. And the game in general has a handful of them in other areas. It's frustrating.
Also I couldn't find a "game speed" setting, so most of the time I spend it waiting for the mission objectives to complete themselves.
It's a pity, I expected a much more polished game. So far it feels like a revamped Stronghold 2. In its current state, it is not worth 50€ to me. :(
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