This game is such a letdown.

[RaranTroff]

I can't even get past the first wave on easy....how the hell is anyone supposed to get past 4? I guess I could just E and C spam as you run out of ammo fast, even aiming for the head. Maybe solo play is just some kind of sick joke. I really hope so.

I can forgive the whole stand still and shoot thing though. At least its not res evil 5.

[IsEnough]

The difficulty does need a slight adjustment, but I didn't find the game discouraging even at this difficulty. Also, I see improvement in my playstyle round by round, so personally I see how I'm getting used to the game mechanics.

[markusarv]

The game mechanics is deeper than most shooters. You have to learn how to use the different combat techniques in order to survive.

[Hellstrong]

@ OP
you must be doing it wrong its really not THAT hard.
Anyways the game is challenging... how the hell is that a letdown?

[Daimao]

Still playing easy, getting to second round only now.
Just need to get used to it.
I'm glad it's not easy.

[RaranTroff]

Easy should = slaughter (them not me). Normal should be challenge. Easy is to get used to the game figure stuff out, not die over and over and over and over again never even getting past goal 1 of 4. When easy starts off with what most games would be on hard something is way off.

Just my personal opinion though.

[Freakdjin]

Easy should = slaughter (them not me). Normal should be challenge. Easy is to get used to the game figure stuff out, not die over and over and over and over again never even getting past goal 1 of 4. When easy starts off with what most games would be on hard something is way off.

Just my personal opinion though.

I agree. Plus no tutorial whatsoever is hurting this game.

[hideinlight]

Still downloading, but I have played the mod before. There are quite a few gameplay mechanics that can be mastered.

For instance if it still exists, while reloading -> roll backwards. Or was that roll backwards and reload during roll.

Something like that, just don't stand still and reload.

[IsEnough]

Easy should = slaughter (them not me). Normal should be challenge. Easy is to get used to the game figure stuff out, not die over and over and over and over again never even getting past goal 1 of 4. When easy starts off with what most games would be on hard something is way off.

Just my personal opinion though.

IMO people should never play Easy, because they get used to a lesser difficulty setting. I've been playing on Hard and getting used to it, it's very healthy conditioning.

[D4t4v4mP]

I played for half an hour or so just to have a taste and it's certainly not that bad.
Maybe it's because i followed a melee approach but i managed to get to wave 3 on Stronghold/Inferno solo on easy. One thing i liked is that i kept getting melee upgrades (went as far as the Witchhammer) the more i kept using melee (dunno if that was intentional though). Also there is a hefty amount of melee moves and combos in this game which was a pleasant surprise for me.
The game is definitely no walk in the park in terms of difficulty but i actually like that. It adds to the replay value of the title imho.

[markusarv]

The best way to learn the game is to learn how to control the character and how the different moves affect the enemies.

[RaranTroff]

Combos? Is there a block other than Q? The only thing I see resembling a combo was when you have less than 10 health and just start exploding things with your Chuck Noris roundhouse.

[Reksel]

I got to 3rd wave on normal and got killed by those big brutes. Otherwise its not hard, you just need friends to play with.

OMFG ITS A LETDOWN OMFG OMFG I GET BEATEN LOLAOLORALRA. Stfu -.-'

[RaranTroff]

I figured its a mp only game with sp thrown in as an after thought after seeing how "easy" the lowest difficulty is. At least most of this community is going to be somewhat helpful. I would hate this game to become another Lead and Gold.

[markusarv]

It is not easy even on easy and that is on purpose. That said all our testers could beat it after a while of playing, but you need to master the combat.

[Euphytose]

So basically op you're accusing the game of being bad while YOU can't play properly?

Are you a Call of Duty player?

[RaranTroff]

It is not easy even on easy and that is on purpose. That said all our testers could beat it after a while of playing, but you need to master the combat.

How? Nothing is explained in the "how to play" menu selection. A for example would be great, or better yet a well narrated lets play on at least a few combos. That would help a ton.

[RaranTroff]

So basically op you're accusing the game of being bad while YOU can't play properly?

Are you a Call of Duty player?

That is just uncalled for, I hate that game. You don't know me so I will forgive the slight. :)

[D4t4v4mP]

Combos? Is there a block other than Q? The only thing I see resembling a combo was when you have less than 10 health and just start exploding things with your Chuck Noris roundhouse.

Well i didn't encounter any SF-style combos but some simple combinations that i found interesting were: slide to roundhouse/floor-wipe (shift->q->e) and roll to uppercut (q->e) plus the occassional finisher i got to pull off with f.
There may be even more but in 30 mins that's as much as i discovered.

[F.Mercury]

Hm, I've been really looking forward to this game.

Having bought The Binding Of Isaac for 4.99 which to me was a steal as I've spent 30h on it and still not tired of it.

Thus the price of this game didn't scare me as "Oh no, if they launch this low it won't be good" as some friends of mine think which is kind of silly.

However I didn't know that we didn't have a level up system or something that shows how experienced you are and stuff. Also some of the negative points here makes me wait and see how it turns out.

For now it'll be Dungeon Defenders which has clocked 30h in just over 2 days for me

[RaranTroff]

Don't base your decision on me. I am sure the game is great once I climb the Mount Everest learning curve. :)

I just didn't know about combos and having to use them. You may really like it, it does have its good qualities. The graphics are great looking. I am sure within a week there will be the big guide to combos and such either here, on youtube, or on a wiki. I was a bit unfair out of frustration. Still frustrated but I figure the mp has got to be good as the game seems balanced for mp and no sp in the least. Don't know for sure though.

Once the big guide comes out I can use my macro keyboard and program in the really useful ones to 1 button press and execute.

[F.Mercury]

No no, it's not just you. Or barely at all so don't worry. I'd be hating more if it was too easy as I usually make up all kinds of weird challenges to make today's games a big more challenging (they're way too kind and forgiving nowadays) sitting here in my Super Meat Boy t-shirt I welcome even the most unforgiving games (Dungeons Of Dredmor and whatnot <3). I just feel that I'll wait and see a bit more about this game... No hate here or anything to the devs.

[brotrrwinner]

I think TC should go play Fable 3 instead of this :rolleyes:

[markusarv]

Learn how to use the melee and the dodge roll. That would be a good start.

[bloodrocuted]

IMO people should never play Easy, because they get used to a lesser difficulty setting. I've been playing on Hard and getting used to it, it's very healthy conditioning.

My best friend plays all of his games on easy (mainly on xbox) and i always whine at him for doing that. However, he says that he works far too hard and long to come home and get frustrated while playing a game. Totally reasonable for someone to play easy imo even if they are very capable of playing on a harder more challenging setting. For his gaming challenge he prefer's to play competitive online games with friends.

Personally i play on hard when i start a new fps game.

[freshdachs]

Don't name a difficulty setting "easy" if it isn't. It's just bad design.

[hideinlight]

Might have to add an casual/training difficulty setting where melee combos show above the screen, if you do that combo it goes over to another combo, the hard ones being in the end.

Btw is a manual included like in the mod showing some of the moves/mechanics?

[abominationn]

ye, it's only natural for game developers to add in a baby-mode this day & age.
What are they thinking, making a hard game???
No way anyone could possibly be amused by that right?

*sarcasm off*

Anyway, I just know that you're playing it wrong.
We'll make videos about it to show you how the big boys roll

[oliathsg]

I can't even get past the first wave on easy....how the hell is anyone supposed to get past 4? I guess I could just E and C spam as you run out of ammo fast, even aiming for the head. Maybe solo play is just some kind of sick joke. I really hope so.

I can forgive the whole stand still and shoot thing though. At least its not res evil 5.

1. Get friends
2. Buy fourpack
3. Play and have fun
4. Thank the devs for making a game that you won't beat in half an hour otherwise you would have to spend your valuable time on here moaning about how short it is and how fast you beat it.

[Cr4zyB4st4rd]

It's adjusting to the play style, there wasn't time for us to complete a tutorial level, it's possible one gets patched in. In hindsight we probably should have done one for release.

The game isn't just a shooter, there are a combinations of moves and CQC weapons to help you take out certain enemies, some can't be shot etc.

In game if you hit esc there is a moves list :)

[MattGo74]

Don't name a difficulty setting "easy" if it isn't. It's just bad design.

This. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. Far too many games call a mode that for me is impossible to get past the first level "easy." With this many difficulty levels, the easiest setting should be one someone who has never played a game in their life can get pretty far in.

[IsEnough]

The goal shouldn't be to get past the first level, it should be to improve your playstyle.

[MattGo74]

The goal shouldn't be to get past the first level, it should be to improve your playstyle.

If I can't get past the first level after a few tries, I tend to give up and never play again. Far too many games refuse to include a difficulty option for casual gamers.

[Euphytose]

Well it's the Unreal spirit, Unreal Tournament isn't for casual at all so the mod just fits the original game.

[Kradath]

Is the game scaling to the playernumber? Played with my girlfriend on easy, but it definitely was not something I call easy.

[Daimao]

Yes it scales.
Got to the boss for the first time, didn't last long tho :p
Gattling gun is fun :p

[Pumpgunner]

So basically op you're accusing the game of being bad while YOU can't play properly?

Are you a Call of Duty player?

+repped hard.

[Shaneluls39199]

Is the game scaling to the playernumber? Played with my girlfriend on easy, but it definitely was not something I call easy.

women dont generally tend to play it easy ;)


couldn't resist on that

[IsEnough]

If I can't get past the first level after a few tries, I tend to give up and never play again. Far too many games refuse to include a difficulty option for casual gamers.

There is no such thing as a "casual gamer" who plays shooting games, therefore companies shouldn't cater to this demographic. What FPS/TPS do you enjoy?

You have to realize you're limiting yourself instead of bettering yourself when you're giving up this easily and labeling yourself as a "casual gamer". I can't imagine why you would buy a co-op horror survival shooter. I haven't played a survival game which was easy, ever.

[Mokas]

So basically op you're accusing the game of being bad while YOU can't play properly?

Are you a Call of Duty player?

Ha! seems that you never played Call of Dutys in hardest mode. And of course you never get 1 position on multiplayer because is not easy. but talk bad about COD is cool for too much ignorants.
Also OP is just bad player. Get skill and dont create negative threads about this epic game.

[Euphytose]

Ha! seems that you never played Call of Dutys in hardest mode. And of course you never get 1 position on multiplayer because is not easy. but talk bad about COD is cool for too much ignorants.
Also OP is just bad player. Get skill and dont create negative threads about this epic game.

I play Call of Duty: Black Ops on a regular basis, i.e. every day for at least 3 hours, I know what I'm talking about.

Proof: http://www.xfire.com/profile/cartieryann/

Regarding the first position on the scoreboard on hardcore / normal: Spectre + Rapid Fire, and that's it.

[IsEnough]

Ha! seems that you never played Call of Dutys in hardest mode. And of course you never get 1 position on multiplayer because is not easy. but talk bad about COD is cool for too much ignorants.
Also OP is just bad player. Get skill and dont create negative threads about this epic game.

I played MW2 for a while, until I realized that I kept being #1 on scoreboards way too often. Now I play RO2 and BFBC2 (BF3 on the way), I'm still on top of the scoreboard sometimes, but it's a lot more demanding than the run and gun bull♥♥♥♥ style of CoD.

As for playing on hardest, who in the right mind plays CoD singleplayer?

[Mokas]

I play Call of Duty: Black Ops on a regular basis, i.e. every day for at least 3 hours, I know what I'm talking about.

Proof: http://www.xfire.com/profile/cartieryann/

Regarding the first position on the scoreboard on hardcore / normal: Spectre + Rapid Fire, and that's it.

you say nonsense things. Multiplayer game is not easy or hard, all depend if you play with players better or worts than you.
Bahhh I wont discuss more.

[Euphytose]

The nonsense is actually investing more than 30 seconds in Call of Duty campaign, it's like buying Battlefield for its singleplayer.

When you talk about CoD you automatically think multiplayer.

But anyway yes, no need to discuss this any further this isn't the topic.

So, about the topic, yes I found the game a bit harder than most of what you can buy these days, but I will never play on easy, because then I'll get used to it and will never be able to play normal again. I'll stick to normal until I kill the boss 4-5 times.

[MattGo74]

There is no such thing as a "casual gamer" who plays shooting games, therefore companies shouldn't cater to this demographic. What FPS/TPS do you enjoy?



None, so far. All are too difficult. I wish they'd have a setting like "very easy" or "completely new to this sort of game."

[Euphytose]

Then maybe you don't like shooters.

Try " The Ball " and then tell me what you thought.

Or Portal of course.

[MattGo74]

What's "the ball?"

[Euphytose]

Well look on Steam, it's a puzzle game made with Unreal 3 Engine.

[phasmaphobic]

As someone who is not at all new to shooters, and plays man of them on higher difficulties, I can attest that the "easy" mode here is poorly named. "Easy" in this game is still pretty tough. I usually play on a game' equivalent of "hard" but this one really amps the difficulty.

Without a tutorial "goof-around" stage for new players to use to get acquainted with the controls, I can see plenty more gripes against the difficulty in the coming days. Lacking such a stage, Easy mode play is usually the next best thing, and I can understand how it could be frustrating to new players to get constantly ground into dust while trying to learn the basics. Not fun.

[MattGo74]

I don't like puzzle games.

[Euphytose]

It's not a true puzzlegame it's a FPS puzzle game. :)

Then if you really don't like it try Serious Sam or Section 8 Prejudice.

[MattGo74]

Yeah, I tried this game. Lasted less than a minute and managed to kill 4 enemies. Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way ,way, way too difficult for something labelled "easy."

[Euphytose]

Well in that case I really don't know what to do, are you old? View/Reflexes problems? In shooters these are of course the main requierements.

[MattGo74]

I have some p serious coordination problems. Not "old" - be 38 in Jan.

[IsEnough]

None, so far. All are too difficult. I wish they'd have a setting like "very easy" or "completely new to this sort of game."

How old are you, how big is your monitor, and what sort of mouse are you using (DPI)? If you're new to shooters, there are some pointers that can help you out.

Killing Floor has a great Beginner difficulty, for instance. Serious Sam is also good for practice, and when you get the hang of the aiming you can speed up your aiming using twitch shooters like Counter Strike: Source and Quake Live.

Though I will say Haunted doesn't look like it's much about aiming, it looks like it's more melee centered, which makes it a totally different thing to practice altogether.

I will also say, if you're new to the genre you don't do yourself justice to give up on it. My dad who's played Doom 1 and 2 with me through on various occasions on Ultra-Violence and Nightmare back in the day doesn't game nowadays, but when he sits down he can still aim and shoot properly after a little practice. Of course he's not as good as someone who does this every day, but he can get into it, as can everyone with enough practice.

EDIT: seriously ninjad -.-'

[MattGo74]

How old are you, how big is your monitor, and what sort of mouse are you using (DPI)?

Age given above, my monitor is a LCD 23" widescreen. Mouse is the (optical) gateway one that came with my computer I got about a year and a half ago.

[Euphytose]

FPS are still the hardest games along with the games in which you control a ship and you shoot, seen from above ( Yeah I really don't know the english name :) ) so it's normal to have difficulties if you're not used to it.

First of all know that playing against new players is most of the time easier than playing vs the computer.

Quake Live has a system that matches you up with people the same level as you, and it's free!

[R_iOT]

Yeah, I tried this game. Lasted less than a minute and managed to kill 4 enemies. Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way ,way, way too difficult for something labelled "easy."

I thing the idea is: quick, dynamic, arcade gameplay = Haunted... something like Survival in Left 4 Dead 2. Of course COD:WAW/BO have Zombie but very slowy, fast boring afeter 18 wave, but good gameplay

[ScHlAuChi]

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!

[Euphytose]

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!

Could you please add a wider fov? :confused:

[IsEnough]

Age given above, my monitor is a LCD 23" widescreen. Mouse is the (optical) gateway one that came with my computer I got about a year and a half ago.

By coordination problems do you mean the mouse is giving you trouble, or do you mean you can't run and aim properly at the same time? Or is it just in general, you can't move your game character the way you want him to move?

The games I suggested are all good alternatives for you, but if you don't have any of them, you can also try a military shooter if you have one of those. You can sit in a corner and camp it.

That aside, after I finish my thesis I'm going hardcore in this game, so probably after this weekend or so maybe we can hook up and see what's up with your skills. Unless you have other shooters, which I'd also be up for.

[IsEnough]

Could you please add a wider fov? :confused:

This, please.

[mmarios]

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!

^Do it! :)

[Aluucard]

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!
I dont think it will help. Right now enemies will die after 1-2 hits, but game is still hard. The problem is spawn distance and rate of spawn.

[MattGo74]

By coordination problems do you mean the mouse is giving you trouble, or do you mean you can't run and aim properly at the same time? Or is it just in general, you can't move your game character the way you want him to move?



I mean my own physical coordination IRL.

[Euphytose]

If you can't aim and move at the same time then play rail shooting games as a training! :)

[mystrdat]

I don't know man, you have to learn to move well and kite the mobs actually. Tetris is hard too when you hold it for the first time. Very premature whine.

[Mexicutioner]

I agree. Plus no tutorial whatsoever is hurting this game.

Tutorial? Pick up a gun, shoot, and dont die.

[RaranTroff]

So tried out the melee combo thing. It would have been helpful to know that the only way to get health back unless there is a stone is to melee something to yellow than hit f. Something that would be good to mention perhaps in a game tip maybe.

Going to wait till the patch comes out then give the game another shot. That new difficulty is probably just what the doctor ordered to make this game a casual, unwind after a hard day of work demon slaughter. I don't even care if I don't get achievements for a way easier difficulty setting. It would be nice to survive an entire round just once. At this point I would consider the game beat if I did that. lol

Not giving up just taking a break as I can only bang my head against a brick wall so many times before my brain says "What the hell are you doing? Stop that!"

The game does look good, it runs good, and the price was right. I just needs a casual friendly difficulty and it will be perfect.

I look forward to the patch and will return then. :)

[se05239]

Alone I have never reached round 2 on easy, and when I play with others, I am always the one with least points and dying the most.

I fail to see how easy is easy, when you no matter the difficulty get your ♥♥♥ handled to you on a silver plate.

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!

This would be great, as then even failures like myself can enjoy the game.

[hVn]

Easy is indeed easy when you figured out how to face them.

ALWAYS try to jumpkick them into a big horde to kill multiple at once.

ALWAYS try to finish them off with F to regain health.

ALWAYS finish the enraged (red outline) ones with your CQC weapon to kill them instantly and regain healt even without finishing them with F.

If the ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan you should move away from the horde and try to take out a few ones which run around alone to regain health.

You can, by the way, travel around the map (even through hordes) by running and pressing Q all the time to slide on the ground, thats quite a secure way to get out of trouble imho.

cheers

PS: Ye I know my English sucks... :-P

[Reksel]

Easy is indeed easy when you figured out how to face them.

ALWAYS try to jumpkick them into a big horde to kill multiple at once.

ALWAYS try to finish them off with F to regain health.

ALWAYS finish the enraged (red outline) ones with your CQC weapon to kill them instantly and regain healt even without finishing them with F.

If the ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan you should move away from the horde and try to take out a few ones which run around alone to regain health.

You can, by the way, travel around the map (even through hordes) by running and pressing Q all the time to slide on the ground, thats quite a secure way to get out of trouble imho.

cheers

PS: Ye I know my English sucks... :-P

^ This! - Easy mode is really easy! The only thing why you are losing is because of the newer players who don't know how to play this game properly. Its fine! I don't mind losing, but if you keep dying all the time, it gets quite frustrating...

[Hellstrong]

We will look into adding an even easier mode in the next patch!
Thanks for leaving the current difficulty modes untouched :-)

[darkangelhunter]

It is not easy even on easy and that is on purpose. That said all our testers could beat it after a while of playing, but you need to master the combat.



I played on easy for a while last night. I understand the whole mastering thing but the only way to master it is by kicking and finishing everyone. Guns need to either be made more powerful or have more stopping power. Sometimes I hit the demons with shotguns and they just keep coming. It should stagger the enemies. How the heck does a flying liu kang kick stun the enemies and not a shotgun blast? Give me a break... I know I sound a little harsh but game mechanics on a third person shooter should not be centered around meleeing all of the monsters. I did have alot of fun last night on easy and got to abaddon. You do get better with practice but the only way to survive is kicking and finishing all of the enemies because it gives you hp back. The game mechanics between shooting,melee, and knifing need to be better balanaced. Guns need more stopping power in a future patch and then the difficulties will actually scale out correctly.