Issues

[Zeev]

This game is poorly optimized.
I have good pc, that able to run all modern games at high settings.
But when I enter the battlefield in this game, I get very low fps, doesnt matter what video settings I set (low or high).
Waste of money, even at this price.

[hiphopgaz]

Trust me,it's YOUR drivers/hardware problem.I have a medium spec laptop and i play it at 1600x900 on high details just fine.

[beached walrus]

Game works on all my computers including a slow dual core. Must be a driver issue.

[Zeev]

I have updated drivers. What is your gpu?

[beached walrus]

Comp 1
i5 2500k
ati 6950
8gb ram

Comp 2
i7 1.6ghz laptop
ati 5770 mobile
4 gb ram

Comp 3
Intel e8500
ati 4970
4gb ram

All computers have windows 7, latest ati drivers, latest sound drivers (realtek) and intel drivers.

[Rubarack]

Ahh, this must be some strange new use of the word "slow" to which I've been previously unaquainted.

[TheXand]

I have an i5 2500K and a Radeon 5850 and the game runs like ♥♥♥♥ for me too, I have the most updated drivers too and run every other game I own flawlessly, including Shogun 2 on maximum settings at pretty much a solid 60 fps.

Anyone got any advice on making this game run as it should? It seems like it would be okay if it weren't for the shoody optimisation (and lefthanded units and poor controls).

[Ryanheart]

Its the coding and support that sucks, not the pc specs or drivers, 'make sure your drivers are updated' are the easiest cop out for game companys not doing what they are ment to, the exact same problems with this game have been since release, i certainly wont be buying anything from this company ever again

[NoBridges]

It seems to be based on luck for this game whether you can play it smoothly or not.

- Athlon II X4 640 (3ghz)
- Radeon 5850
- 4GB DDR3-1333
- Win7 64bit

= 18 FPS when everything set to low, 16 when maxed out lol.

[Silva79]

my game runs flawlessly @ 60 fps and 40ish in the battlefield

i7 2600k @ 3.8
GTX 560 ti
W7

[TheXand]

Game seems to ♥♥♥♥ing detest Radeon 5850's for some reason.

[Vagrant Storm]

I used to run the game fine with a 5850...and 5850 crossfire, though I don't remember if crossfire would activate or not. Now I have a GTX 580 though.

The only time I ever have performance issues is if I forget to shut off GPU F@H.

Those of you having issues...what is your GPU and CPU usage? Are you forcing any settings at the driver level? I refuse to believe that it is just "luck". That just simply cannot be. There must be some common trait to every one having issues.

[Xenos72]

I used to run the game fine with a 5850...and 5850 crossfire, though I don't remember if crossfire would activate or not. Now I have a GTX 580 though.

The only time I ever have performance issues is if I forget to shut off GPU F@H.

Those of you having issues...what is your GPU and CPU usage? Are you forcing any settings at the driver level? I refuse to believe that it is just "luck". That just simply cannot be. There must be some common trait to every one having issues.

Yeah runs in crossfire. I had issues with this at first till I upgraded my ram from 6 gigs to 16 gigs and went from dual HD4850x2 to a single HD6870x2 and game runs flawless no hitch no stuttering.

Too bad this game don't support high res for eyefinity. Oh,also running AMD pII x4 965, had to swap out the FX8170 due to some issues.

[jackbauer15]

core2 duo 3.0
gtx480
4 gb ddr2
win 7 64 bits
wd caviar black 64 mb

the game runs perfect for me ;)

[City Builder]

Although I find the game sometimes boring, it does run fine on my laptop
Win 7 64b
8GB System RAM
2GB Nvidia GTX 560m (2GB dedicated video RAM)
i7 2670 ~2.2GHz with burst to 3GHz

[alex0809]

Some people have these issues, some don't. I thought at first it has something to do with Windows 7 64 bit but it does not seem like that either. Anyway, post your Dxdiag here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?577556-Can-we-expect-a-performance-increase-for-full-game-later-patches maybe the devs can help us out once they know what causes it...

[kurcatovium]

The game works ok with my GTX 275, it's not 120FPS, but it's still normally playbale on highest setting.

[Nudz]

I made a thread about it, here:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2453264

It also links to another thread on the official forum, with a bit more info:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?577556-Can-we-expect-a-performance-increase-for-full-game-later-patches

Still no replies from the devs.

[huyche]

Some people have these issues, some don't. I thought at first it has something to do with Windows 7 64 bit but it does not seem like that either. Anyway, post your Dxdiag here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?577556-Can-we-expect-a-performance-increase-for-full-game-later-patches maybe the devs can help us out once they know what causes it...

Honestly, you think they are going to fix anything with the new game coming this January? (Probably will be as poorly optimized.)
As for me, this game really does run badly regardless of graphical settings. It is playable, but also irritating.

[square_king]

KA hates my 5830 just as much as the 5850, apparently.

[kenpojujitsu3]

I don't see a framerate over 30fps on my machine unless I'm on the world map. What's odd is that the game runs the same in my rig whether I use both of my 5870's, one of the 5870's or my GTX 460.

Specs:

CPU: i7 860 quad core @ 3.59Ghz
Memory: 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM
OS: Win 7 64bit
HDD: 2TB WD Black Drive
GPU: 2x AMD 5870's or GTX 460 XLR8 Edition

[softcorebro]

I have an i7 920, 12GB of RAM, and a GTX580, but unfortunately this game runs very poorly for me. Lowering graphics settings helps improve FPS but the game still remains very choppy. I hope these problems are sorted out by release.

Id also like to mention that I'm using the latest beta drivers 290.53, on a clean windows installation.

[Dungeoncrawler]

I have an i7 920, 12GB of RAM, and a GTX580, but unfortunately this game runs very poorly for me. Lowering graphics settings helps improve FPS but the game still remains very choppy. I hope these problems are sorted out by release.

Id also like to mention that I'm using the latest beta drivers 290.53, on a clean windows installation.

If you are using ambient occlusion, turn it off and you'll get a solid 20fps increase in performance. Its nice you can adjust the settings while ingame and instantly see the results (most settings anyway). Also, its recommended to uncheck the setting that allows the ui to run at the display resolution.

[agentghost]

it is pretty common to have King Arthur running with poor performance. The engine it used is horribly bad. I don't know why they would release something that only a minority group of buyers can play and then complain about poor sale. Fix your game and more people will buy it.

No one want to pay money for a game that only works half of the time (and I didn't even mention about their other game, King's crusade which used the same engine like King Arthur and suffered even worse performance)

There are only 2 ways to improve this:
1. hold off buying any products from Neocore on release until they stabilize the engine and optimize the game
2. send email/feedback to them, letting them know number 1.

[Clegane]

I don't know why they would release something that only a minority group of buyers can play and then complain about poor sale.

I think you need to sort out what 'minority' actually means. Compare the game's sales figures with the number of complainers on this (and Paradox's) forum and you'll actually see that people with massive performance issues are a vast minority.

In truth, it is likely a far more accurate (though still speculative) supposition to contend that for every person complaining loudly and vocally on a forum, there are probably another hundred or so that are quietly enjoying the game without feeling the need to post and say so.

'Minority' indeed.

[djsatane]

Clegane you are also very new poster on these forums with no reputation. Further, I seen some posts on the actual game site forums with same concerns especially from people who got to play the pre order misson or whatever it was called. Chances are the engine this game uses is not really updated to use latest PC technology such as multi core etc... which is normal because nowdays game engine technology is stalled due to consoles.

[Clegane]

Clegane you are also very new poster on these forums with no reputation. Further, I seen some posts on the actual game site forums with same concerns especially from people who got to play the pre order misson or whatever it was called. Chances are the engine this game uses is not really updated to use latest PC technology such as multi core etc... which is normal because nowdays game engine technology is stalled due to consoles.

What does ANY of that have to do with my post? I merely pointed out that agentghost was being somewhat irresponsible in claiming in a public forum that only a 'minority of buyers' could play Neocore games.

I didn't say that the game was problem-free. Only that a small group (small being well under 50, when the game has sold far far more copies than that) complaining about performance issues does not constitute a majority.

[Kate_Neocore]

I don't know why they would release something that only a minority group of buyers can play and then complain about poor sale.

Oh yes, we were urged to create a sequel because of the "poor sales" of the first game. Or we're just creating games for fun. ;)

[djsatane]

Its good to hear sale are good. I really hope this will also mean great support and possibly improvement in some performance areas.

[Kate_Neocore]

Of course we will do our best to fix any real problems. If we're sometimes slow on responding it doesn't mean we're not reading the forums at all.

The feedback of the community is always a huge help for us in improving the game, so keep it comin :)

[corerupt]

I think you need to sort out what 'minority' actually means. Compare the game's sales figures with the number of complainers on this (and Paradox's) forum and you'll actually see that people with massive performance issues are a vast minority.

In truth, it is likely a far more accurate (though still speculative) supposition to contend that for every person complaining loudly and vocally on a forum, there are probably another hundred or so that are quietly enjoying the game without feeling the need to post and say so.

'Minority' indeed.

Compare sales with the number of complainers to determine a minority? Hugely speculative, lol. Equally there may be another hundred resigned to the fact they made a bad purchase or are content?

Not everyone posts on a forum for a start, I'm only posting now after experiencing problems in the first game and deciding to speak up. During KA 1 and its DLC i just put up with it and followed the issues in the forums.

So doing what you said equates to noting and proves no sort of minority/majority for or against the game/developers.

Only Neocore knows through private liaison with it's customers who are unhappy with their purchase.

[Schlangers]

Jesus wept the game isn't even out yet, I am sure there will be patches and by using CoreTech2_x64_11.exe the prologue perormance problems are no more :)

[Nudz]

I didn't say that the game was problem-free. Only that a small group (small being well under 50, when the game has sold far far more copies than that) complaining about performance issues does not constitute a majority.

Clegane, I'm sorry, but that has got to be the dumbest damn thing I've read, today.

You seem to be of the impression that all the people who are experiencing issues, are also posting about it. What were you thinking when you wrote that?

In truth, it is likely a far more accurate (though still speculative) supposition to contend that for every person complaining loudly and vocally on a forum, there are probably another hundred or so that are quietly enjoying the game without feeling the need to post and say so.

"Speculative"? It's not "speculative" as much as a completely unfounded, random number you just pulled out of nowhere in particular.

Oh yes, we were urged to create a sequel because of the "poor sales" of the first game. Or we're just creating games for fun

Neocore_Kate, do not make the mistake of assuming that a hundred sales means a hundred satisfied customers. I'm not going to claim to know if these performance-bugs that makes your game unplayable for me and other posters only affect a tiny group, or a massive number of people. All I know is that I've bought four consecutive games using the "Crusaders: Thy Kingdom Come"-engine, and out of those four, two ran very poorly on my severely beefy system, ("King Arthur 1", "Crusaders".), and two had more or less unplayably awful performance. ("Lionheart", and particularly "King Arthur 2".)

In the case of all of those four, I made a purchase. Do not make the mistake of thinking this means that I automatically enjoyed my purchase inn all of those cases. Your two latest games were unplayable, for me.

Whether or not you choose to believe that those of us who can't play your games are only a fringe, thorughly unimportant minority, one thing remains a fact: There is something about the "King Arthur"-engine that makes it run really, really bad on certain systems, and has apparently done so since the very beginning. With this in mind, you really can't blaim us for being a bit cranky at you guys, at this point.

Of course we will do our best to fix any real problems. If we're sometimes slow on responding it doesn't mean we're not reading the forums at all.

"Any real problems"? What do you consider a "real" problem, Neocore_Kate? Because here's something I, and several others really, really need to know, the sooner, the better: Do you consider the performance bug a real problem?

The feedback of the community is always a huge help for us in improving the game, so keep it comin

I have given lots of feedback. In the case of "Lionheart", I repeatedly posted in the official forum, gave visual examples of the problems I was experiencing, and exchanged advice with other, equally unfortunate customers. And you know what? I still can't play the damn game. Because you never managed to fix it. Is it because you did not consider it a real problem?

[Schlangers]

Clegane, I'm sorry, but that has got to be the dumbest damn thing I've read, today.

You seem to be of the impression that all the people who are experiencing issues, are also posting about it. What were you thinking when you wrote that?



"Speculative"? It's not "speculative" as much as a completely unfounded, random number you just pulled out of nowhere in particular.



Neocore_Kate, do not make the mistake of assuming that a hundred sales means a hundred satisfied customers. I'm not going to claim to know if these performance-bugs that makes your game unplayable for me and other posters only affect a tiny group, or a massive number of people. All I know is that I've bought four consecutive games using the "Crusaders: Thy Kingdom Come"-engine, and out of those four, two ran very poorly on my severely beefy system, ("King Arthur 1", "Crusaders".), and two had more or less unplayably awful performance. ("Lionheart", and particularly "King Arthur 2".)

In the case of all of those four, I made a purchase. Do not make the mistake of thinking this means that I automatically enjoyed my purchase inn all of those cases. Your two latest games were unplayable, for me.

Whether or not you choose to believe that those of us who can't play your games are only a fringe, thorughly unimportant minority, one thing remains a fact: There is something about the "King Arthur"-engine that makes it run really, really bad on certain systems, and has apparently done so since the very beginning. With this in mind, you really can't blaim us for being a bit cranky at you guys, at this point.



"Any real problems"? What do you consider a "real" problem, Neocore_Kate? Because here's something I, and several others really, really need to know, the sooner, the better: Do you consider the performance bug a real problem?



I have given lots of feedback. In the case of "Lionheart", I repeatedly posted in the official forum, gave visual examples of the problems I was experiencing, and exchanged advice with other, equally unfortunate customers. And you know what? I still can't play the damn game. Because you never managed to fix it. Is it because you did not consider it a real problem?

WHAA WHAA WHAA...

Game works fine for me :D

[theblackfrog]

guys it has nothing to do with luck, buy something useful and not ATI/AMD ♥♥♥♥ :P

[Nudz]

guys it has nothing to do with luck, buy something useful and not ATI/AMD ♥♥♥♥ :P

There have been posters on this thread who use Nvidia cards, and they too have these issues.

You're still right about ATI, though. I've had nothing but trouble with them, lately.

WHAA WHAA WHAA...

Thank you for that valuable input. The world certainly needs more people like you.

[theblackfrog]

its strange, i play atm with a gts 250 and havent noticed any problems in this game so far. i have to change to my gtx 460 and see if it gets better or worse. maybe its a dx 11 bug?

[Schlangers]

Thank you for that valuable input. The world certainly needs more people like you.

Well if you would stop throwing your toys out of the pram for two seconds and realize the game isn't even really out yet we will be getting patches, so what does the world need more people that have no patience and will cry constantly or people that have a bit of patience ;).

So, why don't you do something else other than moan until they release a patch.

[PurSpyk!!]

Dont hold your breathe wating for a patch, their older games still have issues that have never been fixed.

[Nudz]

Well if you would stop throwing your toys out of the pram for two seconds and realize the game isn't even really out yet we will be getting patches, so what does the world need more people that have no patience and will cry constantly or people that have a bit of patience ;).

So, why don't you do something else other than moan until they release a patch.

Wow. You... clearly can't have read a single, damn word of what I just posted.

[Schlangers]

Wow. You... clearly can't have read a single, damn word of what I just posted.

Generally ppl don't read whining BS, give them a chance to look into the problem I haven't played a new game that hasn't had to have the performance improved.

[caxopog]

dell inspiron n5110
intel i7
6gb ram
nvidia gt 525m, latest drivers from nvidia
new windows (reinstall it specialy for KA2)

fps very low (near unplayable even at very low settings)

[Nudz]

Generally ppl don't read whining BS, give them a chance to look into the problem I haven't played a new game that hasn't had to have the performance improved.

If you had bothered to read a single word of this "Whining BS", as you so intelligently and maturely put it, you would know very well that my problem with the game is not so much that it doesn't run optimally at first release, (although that really shouldn't be too much to expect.), but that in my experience, the developers have a history of not being able to improve the performance-issues and other bugs in some of their games. That was the gist of my post.

I'm not complaining because I might have to wait for a patch, I'm complaining because their earlier games had simmilar, (If not quite this severe) performance-issues and other bugs that greatly affected my gameplay experience, and were never fixed, ever. And now I'm worried that I'm seeing history repeat itself in the newest game.

I'm not frustrated because I have to wait for a patch. I'm frustrated because - judging from my experience with their earlier games - I can't know for sure if such a fix will actually come.

Dont hold your breathe wating for a patch, their older games still have issues that have never been fixed.

^ Yeah, pretty much.

[softcorebro]

dell inspiron n5110
intel i7
6gb ram
nvidia gt 525m, latest drivers from nvidia
new windows (reinstall it specialy for KA2)

fps very low (near unplayable even at very low settings)

Your graphics card is not suitable for gaming.

[caxopog]

Your graphics card is not suitable for gaming.

battlefield 3 goes fine at medium-high settings
empire total war goes fine at med-high settings

i think it's mean that card is suitable enough for gaming =\

damn, i'm now goin to read sysreq of ka2
ye, their req card is higher than mine

during buying game, i belive that if TW series goes fine, ka2 with worse graphics must be fine too... so naive :(

well... looks like i just wasted 20$ :(

[Clegane]

Don't buy this crap. I own the first king arthur, and the developer just abandoned the game with its bugs and problems and just moved on to make other games instead of fixing the game we bought to support them.

DON'T SUPPORT BAD DEVELOPERS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED CASH.

Game plays fine on my three systems. I was glad to give them my support and my money. Will be looking forward to future releases from Neocore and heartily encourage others to try any of their products.

[theblackfrog]

KA is not battlefield and/or empire and your graphic card is not for gaming like mentioned before.

[Nudz]

KA is not battlefield and/or empire

That's right. It's significantly less graphically advanced, yet it still runs worse for him. That's not right.

[Kate_Neocore]

Hi guys,

I'd just like to ask something. It is normal if you have an opinion about the game and want to share it with others, there's no problem with that. But when it comes to subjective opinions stated as a general truth and saying harsh and in many cases not even true things about us or our game(s) that can make us to start deleting posts and banning people.

If you have an opinion, that's always a good thing and sharing it with us and others is helpful for everyone. Bugs can come too and we'll do our best to fix them that is the very reason why we are here on the forums - get feedback and answer questions. But please keep a polite tone both with us and with each other.

Thanks.

[DrakenLord]

Game plays fine on my three systems. I was glad to give them my support and my money. Will be looking forward to future releases from Neocore and heartily encourage others to try any of their products.
It's funny, they deleted my post. You know, the one you quoted. I guess they don't recognize freedom of speech and opinion either.

[DrakenLord]

Hi guys,

I'd just like to ask something. It is normal if you have an opinion about the game and want to share it with others, there's no problem with that. But when it comes to subjective opinions stated as a general truth and saying harsh and in many cases not even true things about us or our game(s) that can make us to start deleting posts and banning people.

If you have an opinion, that's always a good thing and sharing it with us and others is helpful for everyone. Bugs can come too and we'll do our best to fix them that is the very reason why we are here on the forums - get feedback and answer questions. But please keep a polite tone both with us and with each other.

Thanks.
Sorry for the double post Kate, i didn't see your message when i posted mine.

The message i posted that got deleted was neither disrespectful not wrong yet it got deleted.

It did not insult the developer in anyway, just stated a very known fact by your customers which is king Arthur the first still has many bugs and crash problems that were present at release. I did buy the game early after its release thinking hey this game is pretty original, it has a reputation of being buggy but i am sure the developers will rectify it if we buy and support them. Result, many years later I reinstalled the game thinking finally i can play it in good conditions, yet it had the same crashes, and the same game breaking quest bugs that forced me to restart and restart my campaigns without ever finishing them.

[Kate_Neocore]

As I said in my previous post, this is already a tone that we cannot accept. But as you can see your post is still in the Quote, we did not delete that - our aim was to warn you in the first place. If you keep up this tone despite the warnings it can have consequences.

If you share your opinion and only your opinion and try to refrain from stating things that are not true (the first game for instance had 7 patches fixing many issues for the vast majority of players, 5 of them were released after we have already started working on other games) or telling people not to buy any game from us. That tone is not acceptable. Write down your opinion about the game, but in a polite tone and people will decide themselves whether or not they want to buy the game.

And when you say don't support bad developers, meaning us with it, well yes, it insults us and is disrespectful... Oh and calling the game a crap while it runs perfectly for tons of people is disrespectful, too.

[Nudz]

Me: "Oh! I see one of the threads about the broken performance has received a reply form one of the developers. Maybe it's some news, or info about the bugs, or some advice? Maybe they'd like us to post some more information, or something?"


Necore_Kate: "Don't be mean by advising others not to buy a broken game! It's disrespectful!"


Me: "Ah.

I guess not, then.

Great."


---



Game plays fine on my three systems. I was glad to give them my support and my money. Will be looking forward to future releases from Neocore and heartily encourage others to try any of their products.

Funny. You'd think the responsible advice would be "The performance is bugged for some people. You might want to wait for the demo." But, hey. That might actually be productive.





*EDIT* PS:

What can we say then? It seems freedom of speech is not guaranteed.

Urgh. It annoys me when forummembers start complaining about freedom of speech when they've been shut down by a moderator or something. Bluewave256; you're on an internet forum. There is no freedom of speech, here, and no-one's ever claimed this to be the case.

Every forum has a set of rules that you must abide by, in order to be allowed to use it. You can't post "offending images", flame people, talk about piracy, and that sort of thing. Some forums even filter out swear-words. This is not freedom of speech, and you're supposed to know this when you sign on.

You did read the forum rules, didn't you? (Know that in some forums, not reading the forum rules before registering is also a bannable offense.)

Note that I don't neccessarely agree with Kate_Neocore any more than you do, though.

[Kate_Neocore]

If you have any issues with the game you are free to explain it here. It's not a problem at all, on the contrary it is helpful and we want to hear your feedback.

Earlier I meant only those posts that state the game is bad in general just because some people have issues with it - if YOU have problems write it in first person singular and don't start to draw any conclusions based on your single experience or 5-6 people's experience. That's all.

And we don't ban people without a warning - OK, if you post spam or offending images or such we might, but we understand clearly that tensions get high when problems arise, it was just a warning to stop it getting even higher. No big deal. Keep your thoughts and feedback coming - only keep in mind what I was trying to say here ;) We love you guys, but it's not at all easy to handle you all at once when you think you are ignored. You are not! We are here reading every word, so take it easy :)

[theblackfrog]

i would say be happy that kate is here and listen to your words. many devs give a f*** what u write.

[Nudz]

i would say be happy that kate is here and listen to your words. many devs give a f*** what u write.

True, true. But this thread shouldn't have been neccessary in the first place.

[tagagliate]

If you have any issues with the game you are free to explain it here. It's not a problem at all, on the contrary it is helpful and we want to hear your feedback.

Earlier I meant only those posts that state the game is bad in general just because some people have issues with it - if YOU have problems write it in first person singular and don't start to draw any conclusions based on your single experience or 5-6 people's experience. That's all.

And we don't ban people without a warning - OK, if you post spam or offending images or such we might, but we understand clearly that tensions get high when problems arise, it was just a warning to stop it getting even higher. No big deal. Keep your thoughts and feedback coming - only keep in mind what I was trying to say here ;) We love you guys, but it's not at all easy to handle you all at once when you think you are ignored. You are not! We are here reading every word, so take it easy :)

Frankly Kate, I'm happy you take an active place to this steam forum but I'm quite stuned to ear that a game developper is allowed by Valve, the supplier, to ban critics and customers to a Steam forum...

[pyradius]

Frankly Kate, I'm happy you take an active place to this steam forum but I'm quite stuned to ear that a game developper is allowed by Valve, the supplier, to ban critics and customers to a Steam forum...

Deleting aka moderating a forum for their product != banning.

Incidentally, what was the purpose of necro'ing this thread? Original played flawlessly. People should stop investing in inferior graphics cards aka ATI...

[Nudz]

Original played flawlessly.

Nope.

[agentghost]

Oh yes, we were urged to create a sequel because of the "poor sales" of the first game. Or we're just creating games for fun. ;)

sarcasm from a rep. lol There were some points at playing and suffering repeated crashes in King's Crusade that I had the notion "Neocore just creates games for fun" and not being serious about making games at all. I am glad that sales weren't poor from you. Perhaps, money from these great sales should help bringing King Arthur and King's Crusade's stability up?

Neocore got some really great ideas yet badly executed. This reduces the customer's trust in the studio's product. My suggestion: double the pay for your game designers and replace your programmers ;)

[DrakenLord]

Neocore got some really great ideas yet badly executed. This reduces the customer's trust in the studio's product. My suggestion: double the pay for your game designers and replace your programmers ;)
Quoted for truth.

Also no offense to the programmers, for all we know they have 3 guys handling the workload of 12. The message here is that Neocore should improve the quality of their programming, either by hiring experienced staff or fixing what is wrong with the current team.

[NoBridges]

I've stumbled upon the weirdest thing I've ever seen in all my years of gaming. The game runs like crap at all times (16-18 FPS regardless of detail level), however if I record in full 1080p using Fraps the game runs so much smoother. In fact, it runs at the FPS I've set in Fraps while recording.

No Fraps and no recording : 16-18 FPS
With Fraps recording a 1080p video : 30-40 FPS

:confused::eek::confused:

[theblackfrog]

so, workaround is dont use aTI and use fraps to get 30-40 fps :P

[Nudz]

I've stumbled upon the weirdest thing I've ever seen in all my years of gaming. The game runs like crap at all times (16-18 FPS regardless of detail level), however if I record in full 1080p using Fraps the game runs so much smoother. In fact, it runs at the FPS I've set in Fraps while recording.

No Fraps and no recording : 16-18 FPS
With Fraps recording a 1080p video : 30-40 FPS

How do you set the FPS FRAPS records in? Didn't even know you could do that. (But then again, I haven't used FRAPS in a long while.)

Also, what?!

[NoBridges]

How do you set the FPS FRAPS records in? Didn't even know you could do that. (But then again, I haven't used FRAPS in a long while.)

Also, what?!

It's under the movies tab. So basically I have to set my hdd on fire to be able to play this game smooth lol.

[Nudz]

It's under the movies tab. So basically I have to set my hdd on fire to be able to play this game smooth lol.

I'm not sure if I did it right, but I tried, and it didn't help.

I started FRAPS, and custom-set the "Video Capture Settings" to "40 FPS", for good measure. When I started the game, I pressed the video-capture hotkey, to start recording. There was no difference. In fact, the performance went down one or two FPS while the recording was active.

Did I do something wrong?

[Darkenmal]

As I said in my previous post, this is already a tone that we cannot accept. But as you can see your post is still in the Quote, we did not delete that - our aim was to warn you in the first place. If you keep up this tone despite the warnings it can have consequences.

If you share your opinion and only your opinion and try to refrain from stating things that are not true (the first game for instance had 7 patches fixing many issues for the vast majority of players, 5 of them were released after we have already started working on other games) or telling people not to buy any game from us. That tone is not acceptable. Write down your opinion about the game, but in a polite tone and people will decide themselves whether or not they want to buy the game.

And when you say don't support bad developers, meaning us with it, well yes, it insults us and is disrespectful... Oh and calling the game a crap while it runs perfectly for tons of people is disrespectful, too.

Sure, your company has made seven patches for the game, but it doesn't matter because the game still has problems.

Think of this as if you are the mechanic, and I am bringing in a car.

There are a ton of problems, the engine is blown, the tires are bald, the steering is so loose that it is unsteerable.. the works. You fix some problems, but not all of them.

I then complain to you about my problems, and you then get angry with me for having the balls to complain that the things I have paid you to fix have not been fixed.

Sound familiar at all?

There are still a ton of problems with the game that haven't been fixed, and you dare rebuke people complaining about how the game is still unplayable, two and a half years later?

This is ridiculous, I should not even be writing this post, but this is verging on fraud, how every time you guys release a game and it seems to have the exact same problems every single time.

"Hey! You want to play this cool looking game! Sure, why not? Except for the fact that you are essentially going to be playing russian roulette, and that any problems that you may encounter may or may not be fixed. Oh, and the game costs 40 dollars."

$$$$$$$$$$$$$


And it seems that its happening all over again for the fourth time, at least from what I can tell from reading the forums of all four games.

Sure, some of it is overblown complaining, but it seems to me the majority of people here have had legitimate complaints that have only been half heartedly fixed, if at all.

If I were running Neocore, I would given the programmers the pink slip a long time ago, and then given the designers a raise.

There are some truly great ideas coming out of this studio, but the games are all turning into cases of shoulda woulda and coulda, when all of the games you guys release are trapped under a sea of glitches, bugs, and shoddy programming.

Get your act together Neocore, or this may be the last game you ever release.

[Clegane]

Sure, your company has made seven patches for the game, but it doesn't matter because the game still has problems.

Think of this as if you are the mechanic, and I am bringing in a car.

There are a ton of problems, the engine is blown, the tires are bald, the steering is so loose that it is unsteerable.. the works. You fix some problems, but not all of them.

I then complain to you about my problems, and you then get angry with me for having the balls to complain that the things I have paid you to fix have not been fixed.

Sound familiar at all?

There are still a ton of problems with the game that haven't been fixed, and you dare rebuke people complaining about how the game is still unplayable, two and a half years later?

This is ridiculous, I should not even be writing this post, but this is verging on fraud, how every time you guys release a game and it seems to have the exact same problems every single time.

"Hey! You want to play this cool looking game! Sure, why not? Except for the fact that you are essentially going to be playing russian roulette, and that any problems that you may encounter may or may not be fixed. Oh, and the game costs 40 dollars."

$$$$$$$$$$$$$


And it seems that its happening all over again for the fourth time, at least from what I can tell from reading the forums of all four games.

Sure, some of it is overblown complaining, but it seems to me the majority of people here have had legitimate complaints that have only been half heartedly fixed, if at all.

If I were running Neocore, I would given the programmers the pink slip a long time ago, and then given the designers a raise.

There are some truly great ideas coming out of this studio, but the games are all turning into cases of shoulda woulda and coulda, when all of the games you guys release are trapped under a sea of glitches, bugs, and shoddy programming.

Get your act together Neocore, or this may be the last game you ever release.

I have played every game Neocore has released on three different systems and have yet to encounter even one 'glitch', 'bug', or example of unplayable shoddy programming.

If you take a closer read of the forums you'll see that many of the complaints are from the same users (and the same systems) over and over again. Sure, some of them have actual problems. But these ambiguous issues (most of which seem to revolve around 'Waaah...not enough FPS!!!)are not as widespread as a few complainers on the forums would have you believe.

It sucks that you have problems. It really does. But many (according to Neocore's numbers, MOST) of us are playing these games with no difficulties whatsoever. My anecdotal experience has certainly all been very very positive. Stop carrying on like they're trying to re-market the Edsel here and realize that you are in a vast minority.

Does that make your problem less valid? No. But it does make you come off like a ranting whinger when most people never see the problems you're claiming.

[Nudz]

(most of which seem to revolve around 'Waaah...not enough FPS!!!)

I can say with complete honesty that you appear to be one of the most genuinely unpleasant people on this forum.

[Darkenmal]

I have played every game Neocore has released on three different systems and have yet to encounter even one 'glitch', 'bug', or example of unplayable shoddy programming.

If you take a closer read of the forums you'll see that many of the complaints are from the same users (and the same systems) over and over again. Sure, some of them have actual problems. But these ambiguous issues (most of which seem to revolve around 'Waaah...not enough FPS!!!)are not as widespread as a few complainers on the forums would have you believe.

It sucks that you have problems. It really does. But many (according to Neocore's numbers, MOST) of us are playing these games with no difficulties whatsoever. My anecdotal experience has certainly all been very very positive. Stop carrying on like they're trying to re-market the Edsel here and realize that you are in a vast minority.

Does that make your problem less valid? No. But it does make you come off like a ranting whinger when most people never see the problems you're claiming.

I have never bought any of their games.

Just reading through the forums of all their games and I typed that post.

And how would I be in the minority? The forum is FILLED with complaints of bugs and glitches.

[Clegane]

I have never bought any of their games.

Just reading through the forums of all their games and I typed that post.

And how would I be in the minority? The forum is FILLED with complaints of bugs and glitches.

Simple math. There are somewhere between 25 and 50 people between this forum and Paradox's with generalized 'bad performance bug' complaints. I know it seems like more at first glance, but if you go through and start counting you'll see that a large portion of the complaints listed are just user 'Nudz' whinging at every turn. I think that of his 42 registered posts, something like 37 of them are complaints about Neocore or complaints about people defending Neocore.

Then look at the sales records for KA1, FC, and Lionheart.
Tens upon tens of thousands of games sold.
25-50 complainers.
Minority.
See how that works?

Edit:Oh and shame on you, seriously, for writing a scathing indictment of Neocore's programmers, ethics, or products when you haven't ever even bothered to play one. Your opinion has absolutely zero basis if you've never even run one of their products yourself. You listen to a few anonymous internet whingers and decide to jump on a small bandwagon and start ranting about fraud and levying complaints? Shame on you.

[DrakenLord]

Yeah Cleagane you'r the man, tell it like it is. Neocore released 7 patches just to deal with fictional bugs obviously, just because they are cool that way. And how dare these people bother us with their made up problems? They should just shut up and go away already. God, some people are just annoying!

[Clegane]

Yeah Cleagane you'r the man, tell it like it is. Neocore released 7 patches just to deal with fictional bugs obviously, just because they are cool that way. And how dare these people bother us with their made up problems? They should just shut up and go away already. God, some people are just annoying!

Never said (or implied) that the bugs were fictional. Only that "I get bad performance' is a pretty general malady and that the problem, while doubtless real enough, is not nearly as widespread as certain posters here would have others believe. I'm sure people aren't coming on here and lying about their performance issues. I'm just sick to death of people presenting themselves as incapable of realizing that a vocal minority is not indicative of a widely-flawed product.

[DrakenLord]

We have :

I have played every game Neocore has released on three different systems and have yet to encounter even one 'glitch', 'bug',

Then we have :

Never said (or implied) that the bugs were fictional.

Maybe you should make up your mind?

Bugs such as broken quests, glitches, and the numerous issues are widely known and documented. They are also not something specific to certein machines, when a quest is flawed it is flawed for everyone. Hell just look at the patch bug fix list.

The fact that you claim you haven't seen a single problem proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are either a liar denying these problems intentionally, or that you are just a poser who never played these games for any significant amount of time. Else you would have easily spotted a dozen problems that are very hard to miss. In either cases, why do you even bother posting here? If that's not the definition of a troll then I don't know what is.

Finally :

I'm just sick to death of people presenting themselves as incapable of realizing that a vocal minority is not indicative of a widely-flawed product.
I'll tell you what I am sick of. This "vocal minority" garbage that I am hearing everywhere. From developers (not just this one), from fanb0ys all over support forums, it became this convenient meme that helps sweep all problems under the rug. It became so easy to alienate those customers that paid hard earned cash to play these games by claiming they are minorities. Is it that easy?

In any other industry you'd be able to return a defective product and get a refund or a replacement. What do we do here? We call them minorities and move on. I am sorry but this is sad, and this is what should be making people sick.

[Clegane]

We have :



Then we have :



Maybe you should make up your mind?

Bugs such as broken quests, glitches, and the numerous issues are widely known and documented. They are also not something specific to certein machines, when a quest is flawed it is flawed for everyone. Hell just look at the patch bug fix list.

The fact that you claim you haven't seen a single problem proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are either a liar denying these problems intentionally, or that you are just a poser who never played these games for any significant amount of time. Else you would have easily spotted a dozen problems that are very hard to miss. In either cases, why do you even bother posting here? If that's not the definition of a troll then I don't know what is.

Finally :


I'll tell you what I am sick of. This "vocal minority" garbage that I am hearing everywhere. From developers (not just this one), from fanb0ys all over support forums, it became this convenient meme that helps sweep all problems under the rug. It became so easy to alienate those customers that paid hard earned cash to play these games by claiming they are minorities. Is it that easy?

In any other industry you'd be able to return a defective product and get a refund or a replacement. What do we do here? We call them minorities and move on. I am sorry but this is sad, and this is what should be making people sick.


There isn't an issue with me making up my mind. I believe I was perfectly clear. I believe that some people( albeit a vast minority) are currently experiencing some performance bugs with Neocore's games, but I have not personally seen any of them. If I encountered minor bugs 18 months ago that were subsequently fixed in a patch, then they were so insignificant that they didn't seriously impact my gameplay and I have long since forgotten them.

No game ever runs perfectly for everyone. None. Go to any forum for any PC game on the market right now and you're going to see complaints. Performance issues, contraindications for software programs that many end users may not even realize they have running, crashes, bugs, poor optimization, etc. Its part of the way the industry works. Neocore's games are just another example of this. They work fine for MOST people (if they didn't, there's no way in hell such a small developer could have ever afforded to produce so many dlc addons, let alone Lionheart and the KA2 sequel), but they aren't ever going to work fine for EVERYONE. No game will.

People complain that they can't play KA2 to their satisfaction. So Neocore runs tests on similar machines and can't replicate the problem. Further, they realize that most users CAN run it just fine, based on their sales-to-complaint ratio. Or, if the problem is more widespread, it isn't bad enough to get most people complaining on the forums. So what do they do? The problem is rare, when weighed against the total number of customers, and they can't replicate the problem. Time to bust out the magic wand?

Well, according to Kate on one of these threads, they've ordered exact hardware copies of the posted machines of many of the primary complainers on these forums. That's already going more of the extra mile than many companies would do today, but still the mincers quibble and complain. They don't even wait for test results to get posted, they just natter and ♥♥♥♥♥ and keep telling everyone to avoid Neocore like the plague.

I'm not here trolling, contrary to what you and others like Nudz may choose to believe. I am here because I really enjoy Neocore's products. I love them as a company and I love the work they produce. Their games have never given me any headaches or grief and the handful of RL friends I have recommended or gifted the games to have also been very satisfied with their performance. And it personally offends me to see people coming on here, blaming Neocore for an ambiguous (I refer here to the extremely generalized 'performance bug') problem that is affecting a very small number of users, and telling people to avoid buying their games. Despite the fact that the MAJORITY do not encounter crippling bugs, they still insist that the problem is widespread and pervasive and they've made it their personal crusade to drive as many potential buyers away from this young, small developer as possible.