What Heavy minigun should our Heavy use for Highlander?

[Dorf Cakes]

I'm new to Highlander but my friends and I are putting together a team. We have most of it figured out, but I'm wondering which minigun will be best for this type of competitive play. Thanks.

[trikatak]

The Minigun, The Iron Curtain, or Tomislav if it isn't banned.

[Davidftw]

The Minigun, The Iron Curtain, or Tomislav if it isn't banned.

Haha a banned weapon in highlander...

It depends on the situation, you can't really say "Oh, 100% of the time I will use ___________ minigun, I've seen both the Normal minigun/Iron Curtain (they are the same weapon) and the Tomislav used to great effect, and even The Brass Beast (Albait EXTREMELY situationally and it took a lot of skill).

[gomixy]

Tomislav is literally a straight upgrade, no reason not to use it.

[Dorf Cakes]

Thanks for your answers! :D

[KajiVena]

Tomislav.

There is no reason not to, unless it is (lol) banned.

[4812622]

Tomislav.

There is no reason not to, unless it is (lol) banned.

The firing sound is incredibly irritating.

[tha_rapture]

The firing sound is incredibly irritating.

i'd rather have a broken minigun than annoying firing noises

[KajiVena]

The firing sound is incredibly irritating.Then replace the firing sound file with something else.

Unless you play on sv_pure servers, it'll work.

Thing's still broken though. There is no serious reason to use anything else.

[1Crazyman1]

Normal minigun?

Tomislav is overrated. If you're a decent heavy you know how to use the normal minigun by now.

"BUT TOMISLAV IS A DIRECT UPGRADEQRHH2Z": No it isn't, it does less damage. A minigun heavy vs a Tomislav heavy will always win.

You just have to know how to use the normal Minigun, ez easy!

[Thisoneguy]

Normal minigun?

Tomislav is overrated. If you're a decent heavy you know how to use the normal minigun by now.

"BUT TOMISLAV IS A DIRECT UPGRADEQRHH2Z": No it isn't, it does less damage. A minigun heavy vs a Tomislav heavy will always win.

You just have to know how to use the normal Minigun, ez easy!

Hey. Hey you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ntu0XdbMU)

[2560x1600@120hz]

The Minigun is actually pretty broken and a bit overpowered. Using the Vanilla Minigun over the Natascha is like pronouncing potato as potato. Both are broken.

[1Crazyman1]

Hey. Hey you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ntu0XdbMU)
You're confused, I said: "Tomislav is overrated. If you're a decent heavy you know how to use the normal minigun by now."

Of course you'll lose in a point blank range fight when you're not spun up :/ But as a good heavy, that should never happen. Besides you only end up in close combat fights around corners pretty much. At which point you can jump and spin up around the corner making the faster spin time moot.

[Dorf Cakes]

Alright, thanks for all your help on the matter!

[WeirdScout]

Hey. Hey you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ntu0XdbMU)

Most of the times you will be playing with more players.

[lollity]

Tomislav is best most of the time. Occasionally on defense, Brass Beast will work

[Heisterburg]

Tomislav is less useful in Highlander than in other formats, as fighting an already spun up Heavy duel is actually a common occurance. Also, as your team will usually be with you you won't have to worry about Scouts and Pyros as much (which are the two classes Tomislav messes up the most)

Tomislav is still pretty powerful in Highlander, it just isn't as much of a straight upgrade as in pubs.

[gomixy]

Tomislav is still pretty powerful in Highlander, it just isn't as much of a straight upgrade as in pubs.

Key words

[Heisterburg]

Key words

Yep, but you still have a reason to not run it, so it's not a case of a correct choice.

[Sergis]

"BUT TOMISLAV IS A DIRECT UPGRADEQRHH2Z": No it isn't, it does less damage. A minigun heavy vs a Tomislav heavy will always win.


in lab conditions, yes. in actual game, i have outdamaged revved minigun heavies and on one occassion even one that had a medic on him

[mattyboyrocks23]

in lab conditions, yes. in actual game, i have outdamaged revved minigun heavies and on one occassion even one that had a medic on him

1. Cause he was already damaged
2. Kritz
3. Uber
4. Your own Medic
5. He was missing on purpose

[maxibliss]

bras breast

[Leoholbel]

Tomislav is literally a straight upgrade, no reason not to use it.

I'll give you 1 reason: If the enemy heavy has 2 or more neurons, or if the enemy team communicates, he'll always best you out.

And yes, at medium range you'd rather have more damage against any class. Unless you're an inexperienced player who can't anticipate ♥♥♥♥.

And since we're not talking about pubs here...

[shiftup72]

It depends on the map. If its something that requires heavy, static damage, run the minigun. If youre gonna be roaming around corners and such, tomislav may be a better idea.

Dont listen to the people who will tell you the tomislav is a straight upgrade. Despite how bull♥♥♥♥ the spinup is, its STILL a crutch. Good heavies will usually benefit more from vanilla, unless your heavy needs to stay on the move.

[Sergis]

1. Cause he was already damaged
2. Kritz
3. Uber
4. Your own Medic
5. He was missing on purpose

overhealed, no crits, no uber, i had no medic, we were firing at each other.

[Heisterburg]

overhealed, no crits, no uber, i had no medic, we were firing at each other.

Well, since in lab conditions thats an impossibility, I must assume either you ambushed him from close range, or he had terrible aim.

[Sergis]

we were pretty close. he wasnt terrible tho, with the dps heavies have, you only need to aim slightly offcenter to be hopelessly outdamaged.

[Heisterburg]

we were pretty close. he wasnt terrible tho, with the dps heavies have, you only need to aim slightly offcenter to be hopelessly outdamaged.

Yes, but any Heavy should be able to aim center, it is not very hard.

[Snake Treader]

Tomi is an upgrade. The video is proof.

[MPJesus]

(Albait EXTREMELY situationally and it took a lot of skill).

no .

[mechamecha]

Hey. Hey you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ntu0XdbMU)

Even if we ignore the fact that the sasha heavy can be already rev'ed ( and ♥♥♥♥ tomislav heavy ), they should make one with medic'ed heavies.

With 450hp +24/sec, the sasha heavy will start winning much closer than he did in the video.

[Kraal]

I have to say that due to the fact that there is guaranteed to be an enemy Heavy, you should probably roll Stock. Especially if it's Highlander-level communication, they should both be revved.

[shiftup72]

Especially if it's Highlander-level communication, they should both be revved.

If we're going off of Highlander level communication, you'd definitely need the tomislav ;)

[-Alx-]

You should always use the original Minigun.

Tomislav is literally a straight upgrade, no reason not to use it.

Not true. Minigun is the perfect balance between mobility and damage output. Tomislav adds unneeded mobility and less damage, which makes it worse. To not be able to handle a 1 on 1 heavy is another massive downside.

Tomislav may be an okay choice for lower levels since it's more forgiving to slow reaction time or positional mistakes, but everything above div4-div3 would need Minigun.

[KajiVena]

Because 17% damage means that much and the enemy Heavy will always be revved up.

[Heisterburg]

Because 17% damage means that much and the enemy Heavy will always be revved up.

Well, if he's good he will be revved up, and 17% damage does matter if they both are revved up.

Of course, Tomislav is one of the most OP pub weapons, don't think I'm defending it, but in Highlander it really isn't that good.

[-Alx-]

Because 17% damage means that much and the enemy Heavy will always be revved up.

Yup, good heavies will be.

[KajiVena]

Well, if he's good he will be revved up, and 17% damage does matter if they both are revved up.yt
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Of course, Tomislav is one of the most OP pub weapons, don't think I'm defending it, but in Highlander it really isn't that good.Yeah, I see what your getting at.


Why would it matter if the Heavy has a Minigun that reduces his specialist nature when the Heavy is already forced to be used anyway.

Not OP in Highlander. OP everywhere else.

To me that says a lot about the imbalances in Highlander.

[Heisterburg]

Yeah, I see what your getting at.


Why would it matter if the Heavy has a Minigun that reduces his specialist nature when the Heavy is already forced to be used anyway.

Not OP in Highlander. OP everywhere else.

To me that says a lot about the imbalances in Highlander.

What? It's not OP in any situation where 2 good Heavies are being run, one for each team, however no pubs that I have seen satisfy those conditions, mainly the "good" part.

[KajiVena]

What? It's not OP in any situation where 2 good Heavies are being run, one for each team, however no pubs that I have seen satisfy those conditions, mainly the "good" part.It's not OP in Highlander because two Heavies are forced but in every other game mode, no team is forced to run a Heavy so dealing with the potential Heavy as a Heavy is not nearly as important. A Tomislav Heavy still deals with all other classes the same, if not better than Minigun.

Therefore, Tomislav offers extra mobility and mitigates a core weakness for minimal loss in firepower in all other formats. Pub, 6v6, 7v7... everything other than Highlander hates the Tomislav for how stupid it is.

[mustardoverlord]

please dont try to argue with ALX about heavy

[KajiVena]

please dont try to argue with ALX about heavyI didn't know Spamfest/Heisterburg was ALX.

[Heisterburg]

I didn't know Spamfest/Heisterburg was ALX.

You are arguing with me and ALX.

[KajiVena]

You are arguing with me and ALX.Actually, just you.

If I was arguing with ALX still, I would have replied to

"Yup, good heavies will be."

with something. But I didn't because ALX made me think about the differences between Highlander and every other format.

[Heisterburg]

Actually, just you.

If I was arguing with ALX still, I would have replied to

"Yup, good heavies will be."

with something. But I didn't because ALX made me think about the differences between Highlander and every other format.

Fine, you are arguing vs. a view which I believe is similar to ALX's.

[KajiVena]

Fine, you are arguing vs. a view which I believe is similar to ALX's.And that is:

The Tomislav is not an upgrade in Highlander, but is one in pubs.


Which I agree with.


My views on the Tomislav:

It is an upgrade everywhere but Highlander.


Your move, Spammy.

[Heisterburg]

And that is:

The Tomislav is not an upgrade in Highlander, but is one in pubs.


Which I agree with.


My views on the Tomislav:

It is an upgrade everywhere but Highlander.


Your move, Spammy.

Ok, in most teams (with 10-12 players) with good class composition, there should be one Heavy. Therefore good teams in pubs will more than likely have a Heavy. And if both teams have a Heavy, and both Heavys are average (by Highlander standards, no way in heck I'm balancing for the average skill in pubs), then Tomislav is not an upgrade. However, it is still a stupidly designed weapon that should be changed to have a more skill indexed upside.

[mustardoverlord]

this thread started out being about highlander, why would people even bring up other formats?